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[00:02:32] Next, we talk about the funeral of a war criminal with state and military
[00:02:36] honors in Serbia and everything that has happened these days.
[00:02:39] The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Great Britain, among
[00:02:42] others, reacted urgently and summoned the Serbian chargé
[00:02:46] d'affaires in London to deliver
[00:02:50] a strong protest. The glorification of a convicted war
[00:02:53] criminal directly undermines regional stability and tramples on
[00:02:56] international judgments of the UN tribunal in The Hague, they said.
[00:03:00] as well as that they stand with Mladić's genocide victims and their
[00:03:03] families. Our guest Vakarazmi, founder and
[00:03:06] chairman of Remembering Srebrenica UK. Good
[00:03:10] morning Mr. Azmi and thank you for your time. And thank you for being
[00:03:14] with us.
[00:03:17] The United Kingdom summoned the Serbian chargé
[00:03:20] d'affaires after your appeal. Is this
[00:03:25] we realized that it wouldn't work, we tried at diplomatic reaction strong enough or do our Western partners need to move from
[00:03:28] condemnations to concrete sanctions against officials who
[00:03:32] glorify criminals and crimes?
[00:03:51] That translates to only one
[00:03:52] thing: justice.
[00:03:56] Mr. Azmi,
[00:04:00] You heard our first question, can you
[00:04:03] answer?
[00:04:12] Good morning, if you could repeat
[00:04:15] the question, because the connection isn't very
[00:04:19] good, so I'd be grateful if you repeat the question,
[00:04:23] thank you.
[00:04:30] Diplomatic reaction, is it strong enough
[00:04:33] or do we need sanctions
[00:04:36] against those who
[00:04:39] celebrate war crimes
[00:04:41] and,
[00:04:44] thank you,
[00:04:46] first,
[00:04:49] we have welcomed the response
[00:04:53] from the United Kingdom, it is perhaps the strongest
[00:04:56] response we have seen so far.
[00:05:02] And I am proud that the government of the United
[00:05:06] Kingdom
[00:05:07] has condemned
[00:05:10] the actions of the Serbian government
[00:05:14] for giving full
[00:05:17] military honors at the funeral of Ratko
[00:05:20] Mladić, and
[00:05:23] the commentary
[00:05:29] from the ministries is perhaps the strongest
[00:05:32] condemnation you can see
[00:05:35] when the minister said that this is
[00:05:39] something unforgivable, unacceptable.
[00:05:43] Unacceptable, and I am also
[00:05:46] grateful
[00:05:50] to the special envoy for
[00:05:53] the Western Balkans, who personally
[00:05:56] met with
[00:05:59] the charge d'affaires when he delivered the protest note to the government
[00:06:03] of Serbia. As far as I'm concerned, this is a clear
[00:06:06] message,
[00:06:09] a clear message to everyone in the whole world that what
[00:06:12] happened, how the government of
[00:06:16] Serbia was involved
[00:06:18] in the
[00:06:21] honors to that evil man who committed genocide, that
[00:06:25] genocide was committed under his command, that is something
[00:06:28] that cannot be tolerated in
[00:06:32] the UK or in
[00:06:34] Europe.
[00:06:42] 26 years in a country that is
[00:06:45] a candidate for membership in the European
[00:06:49] Union, we observe how war crimes
[00:06:53] and criminals are celebrated, that it is final
[00:06:57] proof
[00:06:58] that
[00:07:05] we have not faced the past in Serbia,
[00:07:09] I think.
[00:07:14] Europe must
[00:07:15] understand
[00:07:19] that Serbia, being a candidate for membership in the European
[00:07:23] Union, the values that Serbia promotes
[00:07:27] are
[00:07:30] not values shared by
[00:07:33] the United Kingdom or Europe,
[00:07:36] to celebrate such an evil man
[00:07:39] who was convicted of genocide.
[00:07:42] To glorify genocide is like
[00:07:45] saying, we will continue to promote
[00:07:49] hatred, we will continue to follow
[00:07:51] the ideology that led to genocide, that
[00:07:55] is something that is
[00:07:58] against all
[00:08:00] values. This, first
[00:08:03] of all, has exposed Serbia, it is
[00:08:07] important that
[00:08:09] Serbia
[00:08:14] is now exposed, it is
[00:08:17] a country that has not
[00:08:20] abandoned the ideology that
[00:08:23] promoted genocide,
[00:08:27] and it is seen there
[00:08:30] that Serbia supports
[00:08:33] genocide, this is
[00:08:36] something
[00:08:38] that is very important, and the second thing
[00:08:42] that is also important,
[00:08:44] Europe
[00:08:47] should not continue with Serbia's
[00:08:50] candidacy, because it acted
[00:08:53] that way, because this
[00:08:55] ideology is so entrenched
[00:08:59] in the actions of Serbian institutions and officials, and
[00:09:03] third, some measures must
[00:09:06] be taken, because you cannot tell
[00:09:09] the world
[00:09:12] that genocide can be celebrated, glorified
[00:09:15] and
[00:09:18] military honors given to someone convicted
[00:09:22] of genocide, and still be
[00:09:24] part of Europe's integration processes
[00:09:28] and have candidate status, that is something
[00:09:32] that should not happen,
[00:09:35] therefore, there must be sanctions against
[00:09:38] Serbia, that is
[00:09:44] something that member states should
[00:09:48] consider.
[00:09:52] that this will happen in
[00:09:54] the future?
[00:10:00] I apologize, if you could repeat because
[00:10:03] as I said, the connection is not good.
[00:10:06] Do you expect
[00:10:08] that this will happen in the future?
[00:10:14] I
[00:10:14] think
[00:10:18] that the way Serbia acts on one
[00:10:22] side
[00:10:26] is aligned with Russia, on the other side, with Europe, you cannot sit
[00:10:30] on both
[00:10:31] chairs.
[00:10:34] State honors at the funeral, with military honors
[00:10:37] for someone who was convicted of
[00:10:41] the worst crime in Europe since the end of the Second
[00:10:44] World War, precisely indicated Serbia's true actions.
[00:10:47] Those organizations,
[00:10:51] institutions that cooperate with Serbia must understand.
[00:10:56] Serbia is not a friend
[00:10:59] that can respect European
[00:11:02] values, that is something
[00:11:06] that people must
[00:11:07] understand,
[00:11:11] that is exactly what is seen here, and what is
[00:11:15] also crucial is that people must understand that if
[00:11:18] Serbia continues in this
[00:11:20] way,
[00:11:22] what should be the next
[00:11:25] steps, these are some things that Europe must
[00:11:29] consider, and I believe that everyone will
[00:11:33] understand this.
[00:11:36] Does it worry you that, despite
[00:11:39] the verdicts
[00:11:42] of the court in The Hague, that the narrative
[00:11:46] of glorifying crime in the region
[00:11:49] is actually strengthening, instead of weakening as
[00:11:53] an organization. On Srebrenica
[00:11:56] trains,
[00:11:57] educates
[00:12:00] the population in England for years in all those
[00:12:03] lessons, of course, if
[00:12:05] you look at what is happening in
[00:12:09] the Western Balkans and
[00:12:12] the way Russia
[00:12:15] behaves, the war in Ukraine, how Russia
[00:12:19] behaves. First, we cannot trust
[00:12:22] any country
[00:12:25] that follows Russia, we must
[00:12:29] understand that, and
[00:12:31] the fact that Russia
[00:12:34] continues
[00:12:36] to
[00:12:39] use its allies,
[00:12:42] that is something that people must
[00:12:45] understand,
[00:12:48] whether they are officials in Republika Srpska or in
[00:12:51] Serbia.
[00:12:55] But not only do they follow what
[00:12:59] Russia is doing, but that is the danger
[00:13:02] when it comes to what
[00:13:05] Dodik is doing and
[00:13:09] some other officials, that is something
[00:13:13] that we must understand, we must wake up
[00:13:16] to
[00:13:18] the renewed energy
[00:13:22] that
[00:13:25] is now appearing in the ideology of committing
[00:13:29] genocide, that should concern
[00:13:31] everyone, and we are
[00:13:34] concerned, Dodik,
[00:13:37] if
[00:13:41] you look at how he behaves, it is truly something that is
[00:13:44] unacceptable, look at the past few years, it is
[00:13:48] absolutely unacceptable,
[00:13:50] it is something that should concern the entire international
[00:13:54] community.
[00:14:07] Is London's diplomatic pressure an isolated case at this
[00:14:11] moment?
[00:14:13] I think when it comes
[00:14:17] to
[00:14:20] my country, Great Britain, I am
[00:14:23] proud that... we have truly
[00:14:26] taken a firm stand and
[00:14:30] Britain will continue to use that influence
[00:14:33] not only in Europe, but with other
[00:14:35] countries,
[00:14:38] especially after the adoption of the resolution in the United
[00:14:42] Nations, so that
[00:14:45] July 11th will be a day
[00:14:48] of remembrance, an international day of remembrance for
[00:14:51] genocide, I think much
[00:14:55] more needs to be done and other
[00:14:58] countries should also take that firm stand,
[00:15:02] it is the responsibility of all of us to ensure
[00:15:06] that people understand
[00:15:08] the reality,
[00:15:12] that evil ideology, the fascist ideology that
[00:15:16] still exists, that is promoted in Serbia,
[00:15:19] we must work
[00:15:21] harder so that others
[00:15:25] those countries understand this and
[00:15:29] take strong measures
[00:15:31] against
[00:15:33] those in Republika Srpska and officials and
[00:15:37] the government of Serbia.
[00:15:41] A large number of analysts warn that
[00:15:44] honoring Mladić is not just about the past, but a direct message for
[00:15:47] the future. What
[00:15:51] message is Serbia sending to young
[00:15:53] generations?
[00:15:57] I think that the government
[00:16:00] of Serbia should be
[00:16:03] ashamed
[00:16:05] because
[00:16:09] it destroys
[00:16:11] its own country, people, values,
[00:16:15] humanity, because if you can
[00:16:18] celebrate evil, that evil man who
[00:16:21] killed thousands of people,
[00:16:25] under whose control forces
[00:16:28] raped 20 to 25,000
[00:16:30] women, if you can celebrate,
[00:16:34] glorify something like that.
[00:16:38] "Then you are not supporting universal
[00:16:41] values of humanity, that is
[00:16:44] something that is so dangerous because
[00:16:46] young people now have a clear mind in Serbia
[00:16:50] and
[00:16:53] that is why it is very important that we also
[00:16:55] understand
[00:16:58] that we have those who do not support
[00:17:02] this ideology in Serbia,
[00:17:04] there are organizations that are truly valuable.
[00:17:07] They work to reject that evil ideology
[00:17:11] in Serbia in Republika
[00:17:13] Srpska, and
[00:17:15] I think
[00:17:18] we must support precisely those
[00:17:21] people
[00:17:24] who
[00:17:26] absolutely know that it is a fascist evil
[00:17:30] ideology,
[00:17:33] but what Serbia is doing
[00:17:36] really sends such a message that it will not
[00:17:40] follow the values
[00:17:43] of humanity, mankind,
[00:17:45] civilization,
[00:17:54] that it will not reject the ideology that
[00:17:57] humanity has rejected, we
[00:18:00] must therefore educate people about that fascist
[00:18:03] ideology, about the genocide in
[00:18:05] Bosnia.
[00:18:08] One of the organizations that does that is precisely your
[00:18:11] organization, you are in contact with
[00:18:13] survivors daily, what can you
[00:18:17] tell them, they have such
[00:18:20] tragic stories after the war, and
[00:18:24] everything that happened in Srebrenica, in
[00:18:26] Sarajevo, does international law
[00:18:30] still have the power to resist
[00:18:33] politicization and rewriting history?
[00:18:39] First,
[00:18:42] what is very important
[00:18:45] is that Remembering Srebrenica is one of
[00:18:48] the organizations, but we also have Women in Black, in Serbia, and
[00:18:52] a large number of other organizations that keep that memory
[00:18:56] alive, it is a memory that saves
[00:18:59] us, that teaches us, and that is why
[00:19:03] we need to keep that memory alive, what I can say
[00:19:06] to all those... all the countries that supported
[00:19:10] the resolution
[00:19:14] at the UN,
[00:19:18] to commemorate July
[00:19:19] 11th,
[00:19:23] that the best weapon, the greatest strength is
[00:19:27] education.
[00:19:29] Serbia
[00:19:34] did not do that, it paid full state.
[00:19:37] answer, or rather Europe's answer, must be
[00:19:40] military honors at the funeral of Ratko that Mladić, but our
[00:19:47] we must
[00:19:48] educate.
[00:19:52] The European Parliament has passed a large number of resolutions, and these
[00:19:55] resolutions call on every member state
[00:19:59] to educate its young generations,
[00:20:02] to educate everyone about the genocide in Bosnia.
[00:20:06] The resolution also
[00:20:08] calls
[00:20:12] for this at the national level, we have that in the United Kingdom,
[00:20:16] that is the best response you can give, it is educating people,
[00:20:19] and that is why I call on all of Europe,
[00:20:22] Europe,
[00:20:26] you must not abandon Bosnia and Herzegovina, if you did that
[00:20:29] in the period 92 and 95. And
[00:20:32] that is why we must not abandon
[00:20:36] it now.
[00:20:40] Bosnia and Herzegovina, we must support it, it must not be betrayed
[00:20:43] again. That was in the past, and
[00:20:47] the best form of support is to remember
[00:20:51] Srebrenica now, I believe that
[00:20:54] Europe must accelerate
[00:20:57] the integration of Bosnia and Herzegovina into
[00:20:59] the Union.
[00:21:02] This is now about the security and safety of Bosnia
[00:21:06] and Herzegovina, this must be something
[00:21:09] that Europe takes seriously
[00:21:11] into consideration. We in
[00:21:14] Britain
[00:21:17] educate young people, we have already done that, but with more than
[00:21:20] 3000 young people and we talk about the genocide in Srebrenica, we
[00:21:24] will continue to do that, we truly
[00:21:27] stand with Bosnia and Herzegovina, that is
[00:21:31] something that should not happen again,
[00:21:34] be repeated, but the best solution is that
[00:21:38] every country
[00:21:41] commemorates the day of remembrance for genocide,
[00:21:45] educates people, not only so that we know what happened, but
[00:21:49] so that it is with Bosnia
[00:21:52] and Herzegovina,
[00:21:54] thank you for everything you do, thank you for your
[00:21:58] time, Mr. Azmi, thank you for inviting
[00:22:01] me. Vakar Azmi was our guest in
[00:22:05] the past few minutes, chairman and founder of Remembering
[00:22:09] Srebrenica
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[00:26:44] A new mother's right to have a companion of her own choosing
[00:26:47] at the most vulnerable moment in the civilized world
[00:26:51] is not a topic for discussion but a standard. In the Federation of Bosnia and
[00:26:54] Herzegovina, that right has become a victim of political calculations,
[00:26:58] multi-month blockades of the House of Peoples and due to conscious
[00:27:02] constitutional deadlines and the refusal to even vote on the draft
[00:27:06] law, the Baby Steps association filed a criminal complaint with the special department
[00:27:10] of the Federal Prosecutor's Office against the chairman Tomislav
[00:27:14] Martinović and the leadership of the House. Why do
[00:27:17] the authorities fear opening a public discussion about the conditions in
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[00:27:24] Tatarević, president of the BBSEPS association. Good morning and welcome.
[00:27:28] Good morning, thank you very much for the invitation. Just at the beginning, let me emphasize that we also invited
[00:27:32] Mr. Tomislav Martinović to join us in this
[00:27:35] conversation, unfortunately he did not respond to our invitation, he did not
[00:27:39] respond to our message, but he did have some reaction yesterday, what exactly
[00:27:42] happened, his reaction came out where he practically presented some excuses
[00:27:46] that are absolutely unfounded, incorrect, for example, he stated that the House
[00:27:49] had already declared on that issue twice, no, this issue was never
[00:27:53] on the agenda, it was only declared to be placed on the agenda, which should not have
[00:27:57] happened, because the basis of the criminal complaint is the constitution which clearly
[00:28:01] defines that... there is a deadline by which the
[00:28:04] issue adopted in the other house must be considered, so that deadline expired
[00:28:08] at the beginning of April, with the April session it had to be
[00:28:11] included on the agenda, not discussed, not voted
[00:28:14] on placing on the agenda, but it had to be included, so the constitution is
[00:28:18] clear and there is no room for any interpretation and it is truly
[00:28:22] frightening and worrying that the chairman of the House
[00:28:26] of Peoples who passes laws in this way shows either his
[00:28:28] ignorance or or or in some way in the context of that interpretation
[00:28:32] of the law, or the constitution in this case, tries to justify his
[00:28:36] actions, you submitted a criminal complaint
[00:28:39] for that, what was the key moment when you
[00:28:43] realized that nothing would happen in this mandate that
[00:28:47] your letters, appeals
[00:28:50] uh had no effect on the leadership
[00:28:53] of the House, well this has been going on for a year now, practically, the law was submitted in September last
[00:28:57] year, the House of Peoples from January this procedure, so,
[00:29:01] even when it comes to the draft, it's... dragging on, we really tried
[00:29:04] towards the House of Peoples, towards the college, towards the commissions, so
[00:29:07] we tried writing, we even contacted the Constitutional Court about the violation
[00:29:11] of the constitution, but we don't have that active legitimacy, which is also an irony of
[00:29:15] all levels that the Constitutional Court does not protect the constitution by its official duty, but
[00:29:18] we wait for someone who violates the law to report the violation, so
[00:29:22] it's absolutely ironic in our system,
[00:29:27] an extraordinary session in July, but there too, the possibility
[00:29:31] of placing it on the agenda was very clearly and simply rejected. We warned about the violation of the constitution,
[00:29:35] but nothing happened, we still have the same situation, we still have ignorance,
[00:29:38] a blockade in the full sense of the word, we are not talking about the right to companionship here, we are not talking about
[00:29:42] voting, everyone has a democratic right, we are talking about a public discussion
[00:29:46] that I am not even talking about a public discussion, because this is a violation of the constitution for
[00:29:50] the issue to be discussed and decided, it would not be, it would be a different story if they had
[00:29:54] refused and said there were no public discussions, if they had refused the draft, that is their democratic
[00:29:57] right, but this is blocking that, so
[00:30:00] blocking the issue through violations of the constitution which is the highest act
[00:30:04] of the Federation, so it is a shame that this is happening from the House of Peoples, then we have
[00:30:08] those excuses that don't hold water, which it seems only serve to discredit
[00:30:12] the public with some story, some procedures, about how the proposer
[00:30:15] feels it won't pass, let's not talk about that, what kind of feeling, where does it
[00:30:19] say that, so the constitution clearly states not by feeling that something won't pass, not by
[00:30:22] voting, not by some kind of opinion or
[00:30:26] interpretation, but it will be clearly included on the agenda, so
[00:30:30] the April session was the final instance. "We are now in
[00:30:33] September, there were also a couple of extraordinary ones, there was another regular
[00:30:37] session, this issue was never allowed to be discussed and I just wonder
[00:30:40] why, what is the big problem with everything, why are they so afraid of this
[00:30:44] discussion, whether non-transparency
[00:30:48] the practice in which patients have been for decades without
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[00:30:54] are the main reason, so we cannot claim
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