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[00:00:00] and they've been dodging taxes,
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[00:00:10] Rebellion, uh, rebel in the name
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[00:00:16] Take your destiny into your own hands. Thank
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[00:01:47] guess if a
[00:02:34] for next uh AI industry insiders are warning the
[00:02:38] rise in the uh intelligence of AI models
[00:02:42] is risk that is growing too much as you can see I've been joined by
[00:02:45] Jonathan Richard Schwortz who's the visiting professor at Imperial head of
[00:02:49] AI research at Thompson Writers Foundation very good morning to you thanks so much for joining us hey good
[00:02:53] morning um I guess to set this up and in the last sort of
[00:02:57] 24 hours or so um number of
[00:03:00] threads on x have gone viral, one in particular from a
[00:03:03] former AI safety worker at both apeni and anthropic
[00:03:07] that that raised the big question, said that the chance AI one day could
[00:03:11] kill us all was greater than 10%, right? is that
[00:03:14] assessment you agree with? um, i think on sort of extinction, i'm perhaps
[00:03:18] a little bit more sort of cautious about my predictions, but i think what is
[00:03:22] almost certain now is that we have a trastic reshift of power in society,
[00:03:25] i think that sort of frontier labs have an immense opportunity
[00:03:28] to sort of reach. economic power, social power, political power,
[00:03:32] scientific power, even infrastructure power, and I think it's something that we should very
[00:03:36] seriously think about a society. um, I guess one of the other central
[00:03:39] things that's come out in the last 24 hours was the the
[00:03:42] suggestion that bosses at all of the big AI
[00:03:45] companies, none in particular,
[00:03:48] um, are more aware of the risks than they make public, is that
[00:03:52] something that that you think could be
[00:03:54] to have stuff about Jesus true? um, I think of course all insiders within those
[00:03:57] labs probably have have sort of about
[00:04:00] three to six months horizon of roughly where development is headed, i think that some of
[00:04:03] the sort of recent developments we have on model development, especially a sort
[00:04:07] of new idea called um sort of a cursive self-improvement where models
[00:04:11] kind of just become better and better over time um is something
[00:04:14] that uh seems to have started to take off and seems to be something that there's a lot of
[00:04:18] energy in and uh so the bosses but
[00:04:21] also really all researchers with these slabs will have a unique inside that isn't necessarily public
[00:04:25] yet. is there a concern throughout the ranks
[00:04:28] of employees? "this is going too fast, too
[00:04:31] quickly and and and people have felt they can't speak up, I think that's
[00:04:35] fair to say, and it's not just the employees, I mean, I have been in this field for over 10
[00:04:39] years and this year has been one of the most of astonishing amounts of progress, both
[00:04:42] in terms of the model's capabilities and how fast they're being released, I think the
[00:04:46] field is becoming more diverse, which is important because it's not sufficient for us to just look
[00:04:50] at open air and the tropic, there's a huge amount of open-weight models that are being
[00:04:53] released that are just almost as capable, and really anybody could
[00:04:57] download them, you and me and increasingly they can be run and..." consumer
[00:05:00] hardware and so there's a sense here in
[00:05:02] which sort of safety and security issues are more serious
[00:05:06] than ever before clearly all of these companies
[00:05:10] like in any new technology want to want to
[00:05:13] win, want to get their first and innovate fastest, if we
[00:05:17] only cared about profit, which clearly we don't, but if we
[00:05:21] only cared about profit, is it fair to say in this technology
[00:05:24] more than any others that it's going to be winner takes all or winner takes
[00:05:28] most, is there that sort of legitimate incentive for them to
[00:05:32] put the the you know the foot to the floor to try and be first, because
[00:05:36] if they don't then somebody else will eat all of their lunch, mean that's
[00:05:39] certainly how they're operating right, i think there's perhaps the space. for more kind of pluralistic world in the
[00:05:43] ice space, but the the frontier labs operating this kind of speed right, and it's really
[00:05:47] kind of prisoner dilemmas kind of situation where the sort
[00:05:51] of uh self-interest of these firms is to move as fast as they
[00:05:54] possibly can, and unless there's some sort of external arbiter where a
[00:05:58] situation where they just keep raising right, and the sort of voluntary
[00:06:01] agreements that people have tried to put in place haven't really been able to prevent that off slow
[00:06:05] things down, because guess to follow on question for that, which if there is
[00:06:08] that prize for someone at the end of it is when you get
[00:06:12] onto the nationalistic debate, which is if you don't
[00:06:16] allow the, let's narrow it down to two countries for
[00:06:19] argument sake, the US companies, one of them at least
[00:06:23] to be the winner, then the alternative could be a Chinese company being the winner, is that
[00:06:27] fair way of looking at it? um, I would say that lot of people,
[00:06:30] including lot of my own academic work is trying to kind of get away from that dynamic,
[00:06:34] right? there's a huge amount of energy and effort about the sort of idea of sovereign
[00:06:38] ai, nation, states institutions trying to develop their
[00:06:41] own models and sort of get a... from this dynamic and being fully reliant on
[00:06:44] others uh in this country and other middle powers there's a lot of interesting work being done so
[00:06:48] I don't think we're in a situation where it's inevitable that you know sort
[00:06:51] of either Chinese or or US slaps are dominating and everybody else is sort of left behind I think
[00:06:55] there are things that can be done but the opportunity windows shrinking I
[00:07:00] regulator impos rules or restrictions
[00:07:04] that slow down the US's ability to innovate
[00:07:07] would that prisoners dilemma risk still apply that
[00:07:10] China might not do the same well I mean that's the conversation people having right,
[00:07:14] frankly uh sort of if regulation is is only applied in a
[00:07:17] certain jurisdiction or a certain country uh it's it's sort
[00:07:20] of huge opportunity for oters to kind of catch up or even exceed
[00:07:24] the ability so really i think what's needed is a sort of multilateral
[00:07:27] international sort of way of of of of coordinating this
[00:07:31] um we do have an AI safety institute here in the UK mean many people say
[00:07:35] it's one of the world leaders but guess are we now a
[00:07:38] point where it's wishful thinking to to expect
[00:07:42] that that UK- based institution could make a difference
[00:07:45] in this? yeah, mean ac, the the AI security institute has been
[00:07:48] incredibly influential and it's really seen as one of the world class institutes in this
[00:07:52] space, but do think that we're in a position where it's no longer clear if we can fully rely on this
[00:07:56] voluntary excess, right? i think it's also fair to say that ac has primarily
[00:08:00] worked with the US labs and in a world where more and more models are being provided by more and
[00:08:04] more institutions, it's not necessarily clear whever one single
[00:08:07] institution can completely scale, so do think we need something that goes beyond a
[00:08:11] single kind of countries. institution and something like ac a more multilateral international
[00:08:14] basis would certainly be very valuable. bring us back to where we started and and the
[00:08:18] scale of the risk that you that you think
[00:08:22] that we as as society face from AI
[00:08:25] and if it's not 10% chance of total wipe
[00:08:29] out, is it underpice in the way that we talk about it in terms
[00:08:32] of significant risks to society? yeah, mean
[00:08:36] i personally think that we are um, i think this 10% figure is
[00:08:39] something that's very difficult to sort of assess right, it's more like a gut. feeling then a proper sort
[00:08:43] of populistic measure, but I do imagine that the kind of systematic
[00:08:47] risk like the power describe the sort of economic impacts and so those are
[00:08:51] almost certain to be happening, I mean there's already a sort of situation where arguably AI
[00:08:54] developers are are making sort of large judgments on what human values
[00:08:58] are, uh sort of decisions that usually happen throughout the political process right, and
[00:09:02] this is already happening, and it's kind of troubling that people like me or my
[00:09:05] colleagues get to the side what model should be saying on sort of some of the most contested issues in the
[00:09:09] world right, and sometimes I believe that the extinction debate is... important, but
[00:09:13] there's lots of other kind of debates here that are kind of falling a little bit by the way
[00:09:16] side. what if people say that this is normal? this is
[00:09:20] normal in in a process of technological
[00:09:22] innovation
[00:09:25] and law makers and regulators will catch
[00:09:28] up and there'll always be a sort of balance that that evolves over
[00:09:32] time. yeah, i would i would say that's probably mistaken. mean, if we look at past
[00:09:35] technologies, comparison, people like to make this industrial revolution that
[00:09:39] sort of ran over 80 years in in a limited number of. sectors and already there the
[00:09:43] consequences were quite dire for many people until some of the
[00:09:47] benefits were to be seen, think in the internet sort of more recent
[00:09:50] example, lot of the predictions of how things would turn out ended up being true, i
[00:09:54] think the level of uncertainty and the scale and speed of things is just different this time.
[00:09:58] um, jonathan, thanks so much for joining us, we really appreciate it. jonathan richard
[00:10:01] schwarz from
[00:10:02] imperial.
[00:12:08] Prayer apps, digital scriptures and virtual communities,
[00:12:11] faith is moving to our screens, from AI, spiritual
[00:12:15] guides and tiktok priests to worship in virtual reality,
[00:12:18] technology is changing how people believe and belong,
[00:12:22] but can it deepen faith or does something get lost
[00:12:25] along the way:
[00:12:29] faith on our phones: you version
[00:12:32] says its family of bible apps has now passed 1 billion
[00:12:35] installs. for churches, apps and social media are no longer just
[00:12:39] extras, they are becoming important ways to reach
[00:12:42] people. in 2025, the Vatican held its first jubilee
[00:12:46] for digital missionaries with more than 1ous catholic
[00:12:50] influencers taking part in Rome or online. the
[00:12:53] goal is to connect with people who... may never walk through a church
[00:12:56] door. In Poland, one young priest is taking that
[00:13:00] mission to tik tok. On tiks, there are many
[00:13:03] people who wants to like fight with me, so I bless
[00:13:07] them, and yeah, that's what they do. This is
[00:13:11] father Sebastian. He's 30 and has more than 420,0
[00:13:14] followers on TikTok.
[00:13:17] For more than six years, he served as a priest in Saviege, a Polish
[00:13:21] town of around 4500 people. He
[00:13:24] als has a pretty unusual
[00:13:27] sideline,
[00:13:29] so I've got this tik to coffies, I bought this boxes, here
[00:13:33] I sit, and I put some music, indie,
[00:13:36] uh, Christian indie folk, that's what I love, Christian
[00:13:40] indie like that,
[00:13:43] uh, yeah, and I start, and I'm going live,
[00:13:47] Sebastian began posting on tiktok in October 2022,
[00:13:50] after watching another priest livestream, he thought it was something he could do too,
[00:13:54] and... began broadcasting himself,
[00:13:58] not all of his fellow priests approved, but sebastian carried on,
[00:14:02] it worked, so what keeps people
[00:14:05] watching? my tiktok world
[00:14:09] is um is filled with variety, i know that
[00:14:13] my first mission is to, as i said to lead teenagers
[00:14:16] closer to christ, so i want
[00:14:19] Christ and and the church, but i know that i
[00:14:22] want like catch them when
[00:14:25] if i want if i will be doing only that kind of south, that's why
[00:14:28] i've got some kind of lifestyle content or about video
[00:14:32] games flaki,
[00:14:36] poland is still one of europe's most catholic countries, but even
[00:14:40] here fewer people are practicing their faith, especially among
[00:14:43] genz. in 1992, 69%
[00:14:46] of pols aged 18 to 24 said they regularly attended religious
[00:14:49] services, by 2021 that had dropped to just
[00:14:52] 23%.
[00:14:55] but christianity is not shrinking
[00:14:57] everywhere,
[00:15:00] it's growing fastest in Sub Saheran Africa, driven
[00:15:03] largely by its young expanding population.
[00:15:06] By 2020 the region was home to about 700 million Christians
[00:15:10] compared with about 500 million in Europe,
[00:15:14] but back in Poland, the church is losing touch with many young people,
[00:15:18] Sebastian wants to bring them back. I want to catch people
[00:15:21] who uh don't follow these caltics, go to church, they
[00:15:25] don't have any contacts with this religion stuff, but they do have a
[00:15:29] TikTok, my mission in TikTok is to be bridged from this their
[00:15:33] world to the true world from God, catching
[00:15:36] young people. where they already are can make faith feel more personal
[00:15:40] and more accessible, but that same access can also be exploited.
[00:15:44] Islamist preachers have learned to use social media to build large, often
[00:15:48] young audiences, their messages can blend into ordinary
[00:15:51] everyday content, and algorithms can gradually narrow the
[00:15:55] range of use users see, serving them more and more of the
[00:15:59] same. Experts warn that in many recent cases, much of the path
[00:16:02] to radicalization has unfolded online, sometimes beginning on
[00:16:06] TikTok before. moving into private chat groups in Germany,
[00:16:10] one young Muslim woman challenges extremis and misogenistic
[00:16:13] interpretations of her faith, that's made her a
[00:16:16] target of some very ugly backlash. German
[00:16:20] influencer Noor el huda Shihade began receiving death
[00:16:23] threats after she stopped wearing her hijab. She
[00:16:27] says it no longer reflected who she was. It's
[00:16:30] pretty obvious that I'm Muslim, I don't believe that wearing a hija protects
[00:16:34] women from being sexualized, I just couldn't identify. it or
[00:16:38] couldn't find a personal reason for it, so i stopped wearing
[00:16:40] it. the clip quickly went viral on tiktok where
[00:16:44] algorithms often amplify content that spark strong
[00:16:47] reactions. the same algorithms also amplify islamist
[00:16:51] preachers, some with hundreds of thousands of followers. what
[00:16:54] experts note, this starkly reduces the influx of variable
[00:16:58] content, pushing young users into potential extremist
[00:17:01] bubbles. this online radicalization is a growing
[00:17:04] problem.
[00:17:14] It becomes dangerous when there's no counterbalance, if the only
[00:17:17] voices out there are hate preachers or misogenistic scholars and there's
[00:17:21] no one speaking up against them, offering a different perspective and
[00:17:25] providing proper information, then the situation can become
[00:17:29] very dangerous.
[00:17:31] that's why she speaks out against islamist extremism and misogy
[00:17:34] online. she says that the... has not stopped,
[00:17:38] but neither has she.
[00:17:41] I have a clear goal in mind, I really want to protect women from
[00:17:44] religious abuse, and I'm not losing focus. Sometimes it can hit you
[00:17:48] hard, especially when things get very personal, but my goal is
[00:17:52] much stronger than all that hate.
[00:17:56] Some Islamist creators present strict ideology in everyday
[00:17:59] advice on marriage, clothing and
[00:18:02] behavior. They present traditional gender roles as religious
[00:18:05] fact. Experts. It's important to have visible
[00:18:09] alternative voices that show young users a diverse picture of
[00:18:12] Islam.
[00:18:15] Using technology to spread the word of God or debate faith is one
[00:18:19] thing, but now technology itself is becoming part of the
[00:18:22] religious experience. Several online AI characters are designed
[00:18:26] to simulate Jesus and answer users with responses
[00:18:29] based on biblical texts. They promise
[00:18:32] personal spiritual guidance, but they also turn intimate questions of
[00:18:36] faith in. to paid business, seeing God's hand in
[00:18:40] everyday moments brings true peace, you can
[00:18:43] talk to AI Jesus for just few dollars a
[00:18:45] minute.
[00:18:48] It was created by a US-based tech startup, which offers paid
[00:18:51] video calls through its website and app. AI Jesus was trained on
[00:18:55] the Bible and select sermons. It has
[00:18:57] focused set of information and purpose that's about the
[00:19:01] spirituality and the guidance and mentorship.
[00:19:05] I Jesus remembers previous conversations. That's meant to
[00:19:08] make exchanges more personal and foster an emotional
[00:19:11] connection. It's all part of much bigger market. Analyst
[00:19:14] value spiritual wellness apps, including meditation, mindfulness and
[00:19:18] faith-based apps at more than two billion dollars with
[00:19:22] AI playing a growing role. We have
[00:19:25] this huge field of spiritualities
[00:19:28] and the mindfulness and the
[00:19:31] strive for immortality and self-optimatization,
[00:19:34] which I would also call religious and in this... field AI
[00:19:38] is playing a huge
[00:19:41] role. AI systems generate language by predicting
[00:19:45] likely words, they have no faith or spiritual experience.
[00:19:48] Still, almost 40% of Christian Genzia said AI
[00:19:52] spiritual advice could be as trustworthy as
[00:19:54] pastors, according to a survey carried out by a faith
[00:19:58] tech company. What AI is also
[00:20:01] doing is creating immersive
[00:20:05] experiences we that we associate
[00:20:08] with feelings of transcendence and religions
[00:20:11] and here huge question is
[00:20:15] is this authentic? hi Jesus, my name is jam. the
[00:20:19] company says AI jesus is not intended to replace or
[00:20:23] scripture, but to offer comfort and guidance based on christian
[00:20:26] teachings, but there are concerns. researchers worn
[00:20:30] that data protection rules for AI chatbots are often unclear.
[00:20:33] studies show these systems can also produce false information and reproduce.
[00:20:37] bias: the experience may feel
[00:20:41] spiritual, but the service remains
[00:20:43] commercial. can an AI model on a religious
[00:20:47] figure offer meaningful spiritual? guidance or does it
[00:20:51] turn faith into a money maker? the AI
[00:20:54] Jesus exists only in the cloud, but physical AI is
[00:20:57] also entering religious spaces. a temple in Kyoto, an AI
[00:21:01] powered robot has been designed to discuss buddhist teachings and
[00:21:05] reconnect people with their faith. this is
[00:21:07] budaroid, japan's first AI robot monk, hard at
[00:21:11] work in Kyoto's showing in temple. it can walk and sit
[00:21:14] in lotus position. once
[00:21:18] again i bring my palms together in hard.
[00:21:26] Buddhism teaches us to avoid violence and hurtful words, follow ethical
[00:21:30] principles and calmly
[00:21:33] train the mind. It might remind you of Minder, this humanoid used
[00:21:36] in another Kyoto temple launched in 2019, but Minder
[00:21:40] can only chant pre-recorded sermons and can't have a
[00:21:43] dialogue. Budhoroid was developed to offer spiritual advice and
[00:21:47] spark renewed interest in Buddhism in Japan.
[00:21:51] It was developed by Saji Kumagai and we
[00:21:54] consult regarding our uh daily what I
[00:21:58] say problems and troubles or
[00:22:01] anxiety with human
[00:22:04] monks, but um front of human uh sometimes we
[00:22:08] feel very shy to uh talk
[00:22:11] honestly on the other hand with
[00:22:15] robot or with AI chatbot it's very
[00:22:18] easy to talk.
[00:22:21] Buddhism is one of the largest religions in Japan, more than a third of the
[00:22:24] population identified as Buddhist in 2020, but the number is
[00:22:28] falling fast, down 12% within a
[00:22:30] decade.
[00:22:33] fewer young people feel connected to the faith, still not everyone's
[00:22:37] convinced about using AI to change
[00:22:39] that.
[00:22:42] there are many ways to answer
[00:22:44] questions.
[00:22:49] ai can solve mathematic.
[00:23:26] I am not a buddhist monk, but I have given the role of conveying the teachings of Buddhism and listening
[00:23:29] everyone's stories.
[00:23:32] Japan isn't the only place exploring how robots might interact with
[00:23:35] religion. In the United Arab Emirates, a humanoid robot
[00:23:39] dressed in traditional emirati clothing also sparked
[00:23:43] debate. clips appearing to show buosunaida praying in a
[00:23:46] mosk through criticism online. Some social media. users
[00:23:50] argued that prayer requires intention, consciousness and
[00:23:53] faith, qualities a machine cannot possess. the
[00:23:57] robot's inventor is clear about this limits. robot is
[00:24:00] not cannot be muslim or cannot
[00:24:03] be in a religion, it's robot. we take
[00:24:06] it to improve our life. when faith goes digital,
[00:24:10] who gets the final say? the believer, the religious community,
[00:24:14] or the people behind the algorithm. there are no simple
[00:24:18] answers and this debate is only: beginning, so what do you
[00:24:22] think, would you turn to an AI for spiritual advice?
[00:24:25] let us know, that's all from me, thanks for watching, bye.
[00:30:07] the anatomy of the human body: sure, it's
[00:30:10] complex, but we've been studying ourselves for centuries, and
[00:30:13] know what we're made of, right? doctors
[00:30:16] today are supposed to learn the names and locations of every bone,
[00:30:20] muscle and organ, and they do, at least in
[00:30:24] men. but how do you explain that researchers have just
[00:30:27] discovered structures in the female pelvic area that don't
[00:30:31] appear in textbooks?
[00:30:35] That's and much more from the world of medicine this time around
[00:30:39] tomorrow
[00:30:40] today.
[00:30:45] Researchers have rediscovered a forgotten bit of female
[00:30:48] anatomy. Cells of the ovary are pictured here in
[00:30:52] red, but what's that green thing? I had no idea what this
[00:30:56] was because the structure was not really depicted in any...