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[00:00:00] Red Line, Nataša Prohaska will speak.
[00:00:04] The 21st festival of women's art and activism
[00:00:08] organized by the Cure Foundation opened in Sarajevo this year
[00:00:11] with the theme Becoming a Feminist.
[00:00:14] One is born a feminist one becomes a feminist, is the slogan of the
[00:00:17] 21st Festival of Women's Art and Activism . The exhibition of the same name is one of three
[00:00:21] installations that this year bring different artistic perspectives on
[00:00:25] women and society. The slogan itself actually
[00:00:29] focuses on the fact that feminism is not something that is given, but that it
[00:00:32] develops over time, both in all of us, and it also develops itself
[00:00:36] and actually responds to the challenges that society poses to us.
[00:00:40] This year's festival is truly organized
[00:00:43] in a time of wars, human rights violations,
[00:00:47] narrowing space for the activities of activists and
[00:00:51] human rights defenders, narrowing space for civil society
[00:00:54] activities. The exhibition is very multi-layered, mm, we had
[00:00:57] more than 60 applications, and um... since we opened
[00:01:01] for 23 different artistic projects and
[00:01:04] different perspectives, the exhibition opens some
[00:01:08] of the typical questions you might expect at such a festival,
[00:01:11] the question of women's position in society,
[00:01:15] the question of aging and menopause,
[00:01:18] the attitude towards illness in our society.
[00:01:21] The exhibition "Sometimes it boils up" presented by the Furaj Mir project team
[00:01:25] from Prnjavor speaks about war and human suffering
[00:01:27] say that this is normal this is normal in in . The focus is on man, regardless of his
[00:01:30] origin, religion or nation, we constantly talked about those war
[00:01:34] events, about building peace and how emotions and everything
[00:01:38] swelled, one of my colleagues, Adrijana, who is actually
[00:01:41] the main member of our team, said, "Oh, something always boils up,"
[00:01:45] like, "Oh, it's boiling up again, sometimes it boils up," and that's how we came to that
[00:01:48] topic, and we just dedicated ourselves to the ordinary
[00:01:52] civilian, more precisely the refugee, a man
[00:01:55] without any prefix, whether he belongs to
[00:01:58] this religion, that race, whatever national group,
[00:02:02] we just dedicated ourselves to the person in war, the unit that suffers
[00:02:05] and that seeks a better place and seeks its peace. The third exhibition
[00:02:09] is dedicated to human rights defenders, women who with their
[00:02:13] long-term work contribute to the fight for equality and dignified
[00:02:16] life. Among them is the director and co-founder of the Cure Foundation
[00:02:20] , Jadranka Miličević. The Human Rights House Oslo, which
[00:02:24] covers, which in a way coordinates between human rights
[00:02:27] houses in Europe, chose from each human
[00:02:30] rights house one of the women who is recognized for
[00:02:34] her long-term work, for her certain,
[00:02:38] I won't say truly, but for the results she achieves
[00:02:41] in her daily work, and it's normal that it was an
[00:02:45] honor for me when they chose and nominated me to
[00:02:49] be among and together with all these other
[00:02:52] comrades. From women's personal experiences, through stories of
[00:02:56] n1info.Ba. Thank you for war and displacement, to portraits of human rights defenders, this year's Pis brings...
[00:03:00] different perspectives, but also a common need to speak,
[00:03:03] question and act. Amila Mrkonja, N1,
[00:08:18] And now, the weather forecast with Radmila
[00:08:21] Mitrović. From tomorrow, significantly more pleasant
[00:08:24] temperatures, almost in all regions around 25
[00:08:28] degrees. A cloud system from the north has covered our
[00:08:31] country, bringing rainfall and a drop in temperature. From tomorrow,
[00:08:35] we expect temperatures within the average range for
[00:08:38] the last decade of the calendar summer. On Saturday, the weather will be
[00:08:42] variable, cloudy in central, southern and eastern regions with
[00:08:46] rain and local thunderstorms with thunder. Rainfall will
[00:08:49] cease by the end of the day, and clearing is expected. A light to
[00:08:53] moderate northerly wind will blow. Minimum temperature in Bosnia up to
[00:08:57] 15°, in the south up to 21°,
[00:09:00] maximum from 21 to 30°.
[00:09:04] From Sunday, temperatures will be within the average for this time of year,
[00:09:08] from 23 to 30°. Periods of sunny
[00:09:11] and cloudy weather will decrease, and only occasionally will there be
[00:09:15] conditions for transient precipitation.
[00:09:29] That's all for the news. Have a pleasant rest of the evening.
[00:10:19] for next uh AI industry insiders are warning the
[00:10:22] rise in the uh intelligence of AI
[00:10:26] models is risk that is growing too
[00:10:29] much. as you can see, I've been joined by Jonathan Richard Schwarz who's the visiting professor at
[00:10:32] Imperial head of AI research at Thompson Righters Foundation. very good
[00:10:36] morning to you, thanks so much for joining us. good morning. um, I
[00:10:40] guess to set this up and in the last sort of 24 hours or
[00:10:43] so, number of threads on X have gone
[00:10:46] viral, one in particular from a former
[00:10:49] AI safety worker at both apeni and anthropic that that
[00:10:52] raised the big question, said that the char AI one day could kill
[00:10:56] us all was greater than 10%. is that
[00:10:59] assessment you agree with? um, i think on sort of extinction and perhaps
[00:11:03] a little bit more sort of cautious about my predictions, but i think what is
[00:11:06] almost certain now is that we have a trastic reshift of power in society,
[00:11:10] i think that sort of frontier labs have an immense opportunity to
[00:11:14] sort of reshift economic power, social power, political power, scientific
[00:11:17] power, even infrastructure power, and i think it's something that we should very seriously think about as
[00:11:21] society. um, guess one of the other central things that... come
[00:11:25] out in the last 24 hours was the the suggestion that
[00:11:28] bosses at all of the big AI companies, none in
[00:11:31] particular,
[00:11:33] um are more aware of the risks than they make public, is that
[00:11:37] something that that you think could be true? um, i think of
[00:11:40] course all insiders within those labs probably have have sort of
[00:11:44] about a free to six months horizon of roughly where development is headed, i
[00:11:47] think that some of the sort of recent developments we have on model
[00:11:50] development, especially a sort of new idea called um sort of
[00:11:54] a cursive... self-improvement where models kind of just become better and better over
[00:11:58] time um is something that uh seems to have started
[00:12:01] to take off and seems to be something that there's a lot of energy in
[00:12:04] and uh so the bosses but also really all researchers with these slabs will have
[00:12:08] a unique insight that isn't necessarily public yet is there a
[00:12:11] concern throughout the ranks of employees that this is
[00:12:15] going too fast too quickly and and and people have felt they
[00:12:18] can't speak out i think that's fair to say and it's not just the employees mean i have been in
[00:12:22] this field for over 10 years and this year has been one of the most of astonishing amounts
[00:12:26] of progress, both in terms of the model's capabilities and how fast they're being
[00:12:30] released. i think the field is becoming more diverse, which is important because it's not
[00:12:33] sufficient for us to just look at open air and the tropic, there's a huge amount of
[00:12:37] open-weight models that are being released that are just almost as capable and really
[00:12:41] anybody could download them, you and me and increasingly they can be run on consumer
[00:12:45] hardware, and so there's a sense here in
[00:12:47] which the sort of safety and security issues have been more serious
[00:12:51] than ever before. um, clearly all of these companies like...
[00:12:55] any new technology want to want to
[00:12:58] win, want to get their first and innovate fastest, if we
[00:13:02] only cared about profit, which clearly we
[00:13:04] don't, but if we only cared about profit, is it fair to say
[00:13:08] in this technology more than any others that it's going to be winner takes all or
[00:13:12] winner takes most, is there that sort of legitimate
[00:13:15] incentive for them to put the the you know the foot to the floor
[00:13:19] to try and be first, because if they don't then somebody else will
[00:13:23] eat all of their lunch, mean certainly. how they're operating right? i think there's perhaps a
[00:13:26] space for more kind of pluralistic world in the eye space, but the the frontier labs are operating
[00:13:30] this kind of speed right? and it's really kind of prisoner dilemmas kind of
[00:13:34] situation where the sort of self interest of these
[00:13:37] firms is to move as fast as they possibly can, and unless there's some
[00:13:43] a situation where the just keep raising right? and the sort of voluntary
[00:13:46] agreements that people have tried to put in place haven't really been able to prevent that i think slow
[00:13:50] things down because guess the follow on question for that, which if there is
[00:13:53] that prize for some... one at the end of it is when you then get
[00:13:57] onto the nationalistic debate, which is if you don't
[00:14:01] allow the let's nar down to two countries
[00:14:04] for argument sake, the US companies, one of them at
[00:14:07] least to be the winner, then the alternative could be a Chinese company being
[00:14:11] the window, is that fair way of looking at it? um, I would say that
[00:14:15] lot of people, including lot of my own academic workers trying to kind of get away from
[00:14:18] that dynamic, right? there's a huge amount of energy and effort about the sort of idea
[00:14:22] of sovern AI, nation states institution. trying to develop their
[00:14:25] own models and sort of get away from this dynamic and being fully relian on
[00:14:29] others uh in this country and other middle powers there's a lot of interesting work being
[00:14:32] done so I don't think we're in a situation where it's inevitable that you know sort of
[00:14:36] either Chinese or US slaps are dominating and everybody else is left behind I
[00:14:39] think there are things that can be done but the opportunity windows shrinking I
[00:14:45] regulator impos rules or restrictions
[00:14:48] that slow down the US's ability to innovate
[00:14:52] would that prisoners dilemma risk still? that China might not do the
[00:14:56] same, well I mean that's the conversation people having right, frankly
[00:15:00] sort of if regulation is is only applied in a certain jurisdiction or a certain
[00:15:03] country, it's it's sort of huge opportunity for others to kind of catch
[00:15:07] up or even exceed the ability, so really I think what's needed is a
[00:15:10] sort of multilateral international sort of way of of
[00:15:14] of coordinating this, we do have an AI safety institute here in
[00:15:20] the world leaders, but I guess are we now a point
[00:15:23] where it's wishful...
[00:15:26] to expect that that UK
[00:15:29] difference in this? yeah, the AI
[00:15:32] security institute has been incredibly influential and one of the world
[00:15:36] class institutes in this. space, but I do think that we're in a position where it's no longer
[00:15:40] clear if we can fully rely on this voluntary excess, right? I think it's also fair to say
[00:15:43] that ac has primarily worked with the US laps and in a world where more and
[00:15:47] more models are being provided by more and more institutions, it's not necessarily
[00:15:50] clear whether one single institution can completely scale,
[00:15:54] so I do think we need something that goes beyond a single kind of countries institution, and
[00:15:57] something like ac a more multilateral international basis would certainly be very
[00:16:00] valuable. Bring us back to where we started and and the scale of the
[00:16:04] risk that you that you think that... we
[00:16:07] as as society face from AI and if
[00:16:11] it's not 10% chance of total wipe out, is it
[00:16:14] underpice in the way that we talk about it in terms of
[00:16:18] significant risks to society? yeah, mean i personally
[00:16:21] think that we are um, i think this 10% figure is something that's very difficult
[00:16:25] to sort of assess, right? it's more like a gut feeling than a proper sort of populistic
[00:16:28] measure, but do imagine that the kind of systematic rs like the
[00:16:32] power, describe the sort of economic impacts and so those are almost
[00:16:35] certain to be happening, mean there's already... sort of situation w arguably AI
[00:16:39] developers are are making sort of large judgments on what human values
[00:16:42] are uh sort of decisions that usually happen through the political process right and
[00:16:46] this is already happening and it's kind of troubling that people like me or my
[00:16:50] colleagues get to decide what model should be saying on sort of some of the most contested issues in the
[00:16:54] world right and sometimes i believe that the extinction debate is important but
[00:16:57] there's lots of other kind of debates here that are kind of falling a little bit by the wayside
[00:17:01] um is what if people
[00:17:05] a process of technological and innovation uh
[00:17:09] and law makers and regulators
[00:17:12] will catch up and there'll always be a sort of balance that that
[00:17:16] evolves over time. yeah, i would i would say that's probably mistaken. mean, if we look at
[00:17:20] past technologies, comparison, people like to make this industrial
[00:17:23] revolution that sort of ran over 80 years in in a limited number
[00:17:27] of sectors and already there the consequences were quite dire for many people
[00:17:31] until some of the benefits were to be seen. think in the internet sort of
[00:17:34] more recent example, lot of the predictions of how things. turn out ended up being
[00:17:38] true, I think the level of uncertainty and the scale in speed of things is just different this
[00:17:42] time. um, Jonathan, thanks so much for joining us, we really appreciate it. Jonathan,
[00:17:45] Richard Schwartz from Imperial.
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