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[00:00:00] "The pot got stirred, sometimes it stirs itself, then the topic came up like that, and
[00:00:03] we just focused on the ordinary civilian,
[00:00:07] specifically a refugee, a person without
[00:00:10] any prefix, whether they are of this religion, that race, to which
[00:00:14] ever national group they belong, we just
[00:00:16] focused on the person in war and the unit that suffers and
[00:00:20] that seeks a better place and seeks their peace. The third exhibition is dedicated to
[00:00:24] human rights defenders, women who, through their long-term
[00:00:27] work, contribute to the fight for equality. A dignified
[00:00:30] life, among them is the director and co-founder of the Cure Foundation,
[00:00:34] Jadranka Miličević. The Human Rights House Oslo, which
[00:00:38] covers, which in a way coordinates between human rights
[00:00:41] houses in Europe, chose from each human rights house
[00:00:45] one of the women who is recognized for her
[00:00:48] long-term work, for her some,
[00:00:52] I won't say really, but for the results she achieves
[00:00:55] within her daily work, and it's natural for me to
[00:00:59] be honored. I was honored when they chose, nominated me
[00:01:03] to be in the circle, along with all these other
[00:01:05] comrades. From personal experiences of women, through stories
[00:01:09] of war and displacement, to portraits of human rights defenders,
[00:01:12] this year's pitchvez brings different perspectives, but also
[00:01:15] a common need to speak, question, and act. Amila
[00:01:19] Mrkonja, N1,
[00:01:21] Sarajevo.
[00:01:25] And that was all we prepared for you today. A new gathering with
[00:01:28] new information. We'll schedule it for Monday, be well, goodbye.
[00:07:08] and this Friday, with us, journalist Senka
[00:07:11] Kurt, with whom we comment on all political and social
[00:07:15] current events in our country, and beyond, Senka,
[00:07:19] good day, welcome to the N1 program. Good day, nice to meet you. In the introduction
[00:07:23] of the show, I said that all
[00:07:27] these events that are happening after the death of the convicted
[00:07:30] war criminal Ratko Mladić have somehow overshadowed some other things that go under
[00:07:34] the radar in our country. So, I thought we should start,
[00:07:38] we will definitely touch upon those events, but let's start with these other
[00:07:42] things... It's been over half a year since we waited for any
[00:07:46] epilogue uh regarding the tram accident in which
[00:07:49] one person died, four people were injured, one of
[00:07:52] them seriously, and how
[00:07:55] do you actually comment on the fact that we
[00:07:59] only have an indictment against the driver, that many
[00:08:02] unanswered questions remain that were asked by
[00:08:05] both experts and journalists, and do you believe that the system will be
[00:08:09] acquitted of responsibility? I believe, let me tell you right away,
[00:08:13] the system is always acquitted here, so without diminishing the tragedy that
[00:08:17] happened in Sarajevo, we are talking about the tram
[00:08:20] tragedy, uh, so, do we have
[00:08:23] an epilogue to what happened in Jablanica
[00:08:27] two years ago, much longer ago than the tram accident? Do we
[00:08:30] have an epilogue to what happened
[00:08:34] in Tuzla with the pimping of girls also two
[00:08:37] years ago, besides "investigation is ongoing," "investigation is ongoing," in Jablanica the
[00:08:40] investigation is ongoing, tomorrow we will have... the finding is a quarry, it is not
[00:08:44] a quarry, really,
[00:08:47] I mean, you don't have to be too smart to
[00:08:51] say that we knew that the blame would fall when it comes to
[00:08:55] the tram accident, maybe like this, so,
[00:08:58] I'm doing an investigation, I don't have data,
[00:09:01] I don't have evidence, but we are actually
[00:09:05] only dealing with one thing here, that is the responsibility
[00:09:09] of the driver, or the company. We are not dealing with...
[00:09:12] "deeper analyses, that is that
[00:09:15] we established that a certain
[00:09:18] intimate of the current Minister
[00:09:21] of Transport, Mr. Štete, was
[00:09:24] responsible for some things that should have
[00:09:27] prevented such accidents on trams. We are not
[00:09:31] dealing with the fact that this investigation is ongoing, that we all
[00:09:35] somehow knew what the epilogue would be, that
[00:09:39] the weakest would actually suffer." The statement was brief,
[00:09:42] the last one was when it was announced that the indictment was filed only against
[00:09:46] the driver. So, it was not announced what more data they
[00:09:50] investigated, so they came to that data,
[00:09:53] right? On the other hand, we had earlier
[00:09:56] when colleagues from the detector at the moment when
[00:10:00] the tram accident happened, so they discovered, for example, that Gras on
[00:10:04] the tender for servicing magnetic brakes did not require previous
[00:10:07] experience, and the company that got the job did not return a single service
[00:10:10] within eight months. Serviced brake, Gras
[00:10:14] therefore never answered when those brakes were last serviced,
[00:10:18] but after the accident new tenders were announced, but
[00:10:22] this time previous experience was in...
[00:10:26] if I remember correctly, in the detector's text, which
[00:10:29] the detector also worked on a lot, they gave evidence to the prosecutors,
[00:10:33] asked questions, filed some complaints and so on
[00:10:36] and so forth. If I remember correctly, that company that had
[00:10:40] no experience, was actually
[00:10:43] also close to someone, as was this new one, and so on
[00:10:47] and so forth. I mean, I would
[00:10:50] generally say, and it's always on my
[00:10:52] mind, one word. In my head when we talk
[00:10:56] about such and similar events, that is
[00:10:59] force. So, it doesn't matter that it was like
[00:11:02] that, they'll just say, "we'll find a new company," and then they'll just
[00:11:06] do it like that, and it doesn't matter that a tragedy happened, so come on, we'll, we'll,
[00:11:10] how can I say, uh, take care of
[00:11:13] our own. So, I'm not surprised why the statement is brief.
[00:11:16] I don't know why the public is interested in
[00:11:20] a brief statement, on what basis and what evidence did
[00:11:23] you come to... "Maybe I'm not
[00:11:26] interested, but Erdogan's parents
[00:11:29] are interested, the child who is no longer here,
[00:11:33] and the girl, the girl who survived a
[00:11:37] terrible trauma and a terrible injury,
[00:11:40] so, first of all, they are interested, and then the public is interested,
[00:11:43] so it should also interest those responsible,
[00:11:47] however, here everything somehow goes past, and this picture behind you,
[00:11:51] well, it's a terrifying reminder that we had to
[00:11:54] do something..." However, now it's an election
[00:11:57] campaign, just look at the photos
[00:12:00] and videos from election rallies. We'll talk about that election
[00:12:04] campaign, but the voice of the people, so to speak,
[00:12:08] waned at that moment. What happened to those youth protests that were
[00:12:12] daily in the streets? It was mentioned that
[00:12:15] certain political pressure was exerted on them to withdraw from the
[00:12:18] streets. I don't know about that, but I know there was some pressure,
[00:12:21] at least when it comes to high school students in schools. And so
[00:12:25] on and so forth. Then they fabricated various
[00:12:28] affairs for those who had somehow
[00:12:31] emerged as leaders of those protests and so on
[00:12:35] and so forth. But I think when you say young
[00:12:38] people, well, simply here
[00:12:41] I adore our young people, I think they are talented, smart
[00:12:45] and educated as much as this
[00:12:48] system allows everything, but simply they are
[00:12:52] children who don't have the opportunity to go out into the street. They were out for five days,
[00:12:55] then they started blackmailing some people, threatening them and so on
[00:12:59] and so forth, and you know what, I
[00:13:03] always repeat this, and I've said it a hundred times to you,
[00:13:06] we are simply, first of all, a people with short memories, I mean all of us
[00:13:10] in Bosnia and Herzegovina, that's one thing, and the second thing,
[00:13:14] we don't have that need for public expression
[00:13:18] of our views because we are scared and because
[00:13:21] we are raised to be scared.
[00:13:25] People, are we scared or stifled by the enormous problems that bother citizens
[00:13:29] who are looking for, I don't know, a job, a life,
[00:13:32] it's not, no, citizens have
[00:13:35] jobs and they have them in state institutions, well, this, well, I mean, the other day
[00:13:39] we were on an interview and I would like our
[00:13:41] uh uh readers, your
[00:13:45] viewers to read that text, we presented data on how many
[00:13:48] voters work in state services multiplied by
[00:13:52] members of their families and so on and so forth. "We are people
[00:13:56] who are in slavery, we are people who, you can't vote
[00:13:59] against someone when you work in his cabinet, your aunt works
[00:14:03] there, and you feed your family, and you feed your parents from that, and so on
[00:14:07] and so forth, we multiply all that, we are just
[00:14:10] scared and blackmailed people and we are not stifled
[00:14:14] people, so it was shown
[00:14:17] when it comes to Sarajevo and those, I don't know, five, six days of protests, that
[00:14:21] we are not stifled people, it shows, well, I mean."
[00:14:25] "We are not stifled people when there is a marathon through Sarajevo, people
[00:14:28] run, so they have a need to express something, we are
[00:14:32] simply people who are blackmailed by this system, anywhere
[00:14:36] and at any level, and simply it's not
[00:14:39] worth it for you, I mean, you will lose your job if you rebel
[00:14:42] against the government. Well, I see that now, my colleague from Tuzla
[00:14:46] called me, he is a journalist for an independent portal, and a
[00:14:50] minister is threatening him because of a text that our colleague didn't
[00:14:53] write, in fact he didn't even..." because of a text, but because
[00:14:56] of a Facebook status, so they regularly check
[00:15:00] our we regularly witness such phenomena, it doesn't have to be published in the media,
[00:15:04] but on, is it they specialized in
[00:15:07] several things, that is corruption, that is
[00:15:10] nepotism, that is this stalking, I mean, I
[00:15:14] claimed four years ago and now I am completely sure,
[00:15:18] so there is, I stated that somewhere with you or with some
[00:15:21] colleagues, they only fought in their heads.
[00:15:25] Not all of them, but most of them, to take these, what is it
[00:15:28] called, services so they can control us, they
[00:15:32] have been doing that successfully for four years, so I am saying this
[00:15:36] very publicly. I am saying this with full, as I would say, material
[00:15:39] and moral responsibility, they
[00:15:43] monitor us, so you, me, who are
[00:15:46] media workers, nothing important, but they monitor those who
[00:15:50] could be an obstacle, you just said when we
[00:15:53] commented on this tram accident, that is
[00:15:56] force, the connection between the prosecutor's office and the government,
[00:16:00] well, here this force is demonstrated by the fact that we have a government that has resigned in the Canton
[00:16:03] of Sarajevo, which continues to function, we have a uh...
[00:16:07] the director of Gras, who has resigned, is still in that position,
[00:16:11] and actually is that the song
[00:16:14] "the system doesn't allow that"
[00:16:15] well,
[00:16:18] I mean, it was clear to all of us that
[00:16:21] nothing would come of that resignation,
[00:16:24] so the problem is not that they resigned and then, how can I say,
[00:16:28] didn't implement it, the problem is that they continued to work,
[00:16:32] or to work at the same pace as before,
[00:16:36] so spending money, entertainment,
[00:16:39] hiring, uh, as if nothing is happening, and
[00:16:42] yes, as if nothing is happening, and furthermore, in that technical
[00:16:46] mandate that has been going on for a long time, eight months
[00:16:50] probably, furthermore, they, so, no one
[00:16:53] will convince me, we'll see, you can call me after the elections and
[00:16:57] we'll see if I was right, if they
[00:17:00] are using state resources for their private campaigns,
[00:17:04] so, please, campaigns are everything." "Every
[00:17:08] day Tuzla, Sarajevo, Mostar, Bihać,
[00:17:11] Banja Luka, Zvornik, when do they arrive, do they go to work
[00:17:15] these days, I mean, some official, some politicians from
[00:17:19] Sarajevo will reach Gradačac, they must at least
[00:17:22] take two or three hours off their working time, well, everything has long since
[00:17:25] stopped in Bosnia and Herzegovina, they get paid for
[00:17:28] that, they get paid for these one month, do they use drivers
[00:17:32] that we two pay for, they use them, do they use gas,
[00:17:35] they use it, maybe I don't know..." do they pay the bills in the cafe privately
[00:17:39] for so many
[00:17:44] campaigns, so they are using our resources for
[00:17:47] their private promotion, because that political campaign is private
[00:17:51] promotion, so these are millions, how can I
[00:17:55] say, convertible marks that they will spend
[00:17:58] of our money, and
[00:18:01] again, nothing will happen. So, you know, Transparency International will react
[00:18:04] a little, the CEC will warn that it... should not be done
[00:18:08] and that's it, so, nothing
[00:18:11] is learned from previous ones, I mean, neither the current ones
[00:18:15] nor the previous ones learned anything from what their political
[00:18:18] enemies did, so it's done the same,
[00:18:22] more violently, worse, when I say, that it could be learned now, given that we
[00:18:26] constantly see the same characters on the political scene, these three
[00:18:29] parties claimed that they were coming to power to be
[00:18:33] different from the SDA. If they saw what... the SDA doesn't know
[00:18:36] how to work, why didn't they do it the right way?
[00:18:40] način?
[00:18:42] I mean, they could have corrected the mistakes that the SDA made. What would you,
[00:18:46] how would you actually rate, since we already started in that direction, but we will come back to these
[00:18:50] other things that we should comment on, and generally how do you rate
[00:18:54] the past mandate of the current government, what would you consider their greatest
[00:18:58] success and what their failure? I can't, I really, I mean, he will come
[00:19:02] here anyway and talk about his successes, nor
[00:19:05] will I talk about their failures. Even though that would actually
[00:19:08] be seen here by the ministers, and I don't know about those successes, but in
[00:19:12] the field, it's a completely different picture, so, uh, I
[00:19:15] repeat, when I come to you, when I talk about the European Union, did we
[00:19:19] touch upon the topic of the European Union every time, how many
[00:19:23] more then you tell me, well, he just said that
[00:19:26] it will be so, I told you that in my lifetime they will not
[00:19:30] do it, they now admit that they will not do it, so I can't
[00:19:34] remember a million problems that were
[00:19:37] before these authorities, that are not
[00:19:40] solvable, there are subjective and objective
[00:19:43] circumstances, I will not talk about their successes, because
[00:19:47] if you asked me to shed some light on it, I wouldn't know. I could only remember
[00:19:50] the Clinical Center and the appointment of Dr. Pilav as the head of the Clinical
[00:19:54] Center, because it was clear that something was being done there, well, when we talk about this
[00:19:58] state coalition that fell apart two years after the beginning of its mandate,
[00:20:01] it exists, it doesn't exist, so
[00:20:04] I just published a text in...
[00:20:07] "We are currently analyzing four
[00:20:11] years of party mandates and yesterday
[00:20:14] the HDZ came out, there's a subtitle that one
[00:20:18] should learn from Dragan Čović, today the
[00:20:21] SNSD came out, it says in the subtitle, if I
[00:20:24] remember correctly, and I think I will, only
[00:20:28] the naive (in brackets) and some from the Trojka (tripartite coalition)
[00:20:31] hoped that Milorad Dodik could change,
[00:20:34] so we knew that nothing would come
[00:20:37] of that coalition, that it wasn't even
[00:20:41] love, but mathematics. Here I see if
[00:20:45] the SDP has something, no, I thought it was DF, I thought it
[00:20:49] was some press conference. This abrupt to tell us what will be
[00:20:52] new - so we don't have a coalition
[00:20:55] at the state level, we have one, I wouldn't say a coalition,
[00:20:58] but that one mathematical love, that is HDZ, SNSD and
[00:21:02] it actually determines all directions in this country, and we have
[00:21:06] that mimicry of the Troika parties who pretend
[00:21:10] to be in power. Yesterday I saw how
[00:21:13] the minister, the state minister of communications, crosses
[00:21:17] the street and talks to some cars,
[00:21:20] cars that are speeding, so, stick to your
[00:21:23] department, cars
[00:21:25] are speeding, he, no, he doesn't stick to it, it's not the department
[00:21:29] of the Ministry of Communications to stand on a pedestrian crossing and say that
[00:21:33] cars should not speed, so he said, "And look
[00:21:36] at this car that just sped past,"
[00:21:39] so their mandate was not to salt
[00:21:43] the city, to clean this uh
[00:21:47] city, that was not the mandate of this...
[00:21:51] uh state representative Čudić, nor the federal
[00:21:54] minister
[00:21:56] of environment, nor Forte, nor
[00:21:59] PDG, so I'm talking about our side, so they
[00:22:03] engaged in bizarre populism
[00:22:06] and what offends me the most is that they underestimated
[00:22:09] us so much, they think we are
[00:22:13] stupid enough not to see, not to
[00:22:16] understand what they are doing, was that their attempt to? to
[00:22:20] actually, excuse me for interrupting, to cover up their awareness
[00:22:24] that they are not
[00:22:27] up to leaders like Dragan Čović
[00:22:30] and Milorad Dodik? Do you think they think that? They think,
[00:22:34] so, here we are talking about these three
[00:22:37] leaders of the Troika uh
[00:22:41] Konaković, Nikšić, and Mr.
[00:22:44] Čudić, they think they are more resourceful,
[00:22:48] smarter, more capable.
[00:22:51] Wiser than Čović and
[00:22:55] Dodik, at the same time they don't see the most important
[00:22:58] thing, everything that Milorad Dodik has envisioned
[00:23:02] so far, he has achieved it, one way or
[00:23:05] another. Yes, he is punished, he cannot run for election,
[00:23:08] but don't forget, SNSD
[00:23:11] is not Milorad Dodik, strong party
[00:23:14] infrastructure, employed people in companies,
[00:23:17] holds all companies, there are no more sanctions,
[00:23:21] right, with HDZ, it's the same, so they
[00:23:24] really think, they thought from the beginning that
[00:23:28] they could outsmart both Dodik and Čović. There wasn't much
[00:23:31] smart talk with Čović because he didn't cause so many
[00:23:35] problems, this about the dismantling of the state
[00:23:38] system, he personally didn't, but someone
[00:23:41] hid behind Milorad, and he did hide, but he
[00:23:45] wasn't so obvious in, and so then we
[00:23:48] used the matrix, now we will talk a little about
[00:23:52] something that is not good about SDA, we switched to the matrix, now
[00:23:55] we will talk about what Milorad Dodik is doing. We saw what
[00:23:58] Milorad Dodik is doing, we didn't need to be explained, we are not idiots, we didn't need
[00:24:02] to be explained, work, work, but no, they couldn't
[00:24:06] reach him, so now we have, I'm just curious what
[00:24:10] will happen if the situation in October is
[00:24:13] the same, even though do you believe it will be? I don't
[00:24:16] believe it will be, don't ask me what I believe because
[00:24:20] it would somehow be unprofessional on my part,
[00:24:23] but what will happen if the situation is the same, hypothetically, let's say
[00:24:27] and hypothetically, if it is, for example, what is the alternative
[00:24:30] to the Troika that is adequate and can challenge both Dodik and Čović? Is
[00:24:34] it the SDA, somewhere partially the SDP where it is mentioned that they could coalesce,
[00:24:38] like that, but if you remember how, for example,
[00:24:41] our party, as the saying
[00:24:44] goes, claimed, "we will never cooperate with
[00:24:48] HDZ and SNSD." And when the
[00:24:51] opportunity arose, Forte was exactly like this car
[00:24:54] that sped by, so the car runs down the street and
[00:24:58] Forte runs for power, and so on, and so easily one doesn't retract those
[00:25:01] words "never." If you had the chance to hear, whenever I asked any leader here,
[00:25:05] no one said "never," "never ever" lately, I mean, probably driven
[00:25:09] by that from before, because power and this
[00:25:12] little power they think they have are actually much
[00:25:15] more important than all principles
[00:25:19] they had and we must be
[00:25:22] very honest, so towards everyone, towards each one,
[00:25:26] especially towards ourselves. If you looked at what
[00:25:29] the party platforms are,
[00:25:32] any of those parties, so
[00:25:35] they don't differ by five grams, maybe with the exception of
[00:25:39] the SNSD and HDZ, there is always
[00:25:42] the mantra of the election law, maybe a new electoral unit,
[00:25:46] uh uh, I don't know, a program in Croatian. a change of stance
[00:25:50] and so on, but from here, I mean
[00:25:53] these nominally
[00:25:57] uh centrists, these a little left, then these a little
[00:26:01] right, including. That means in no way do they, in what way do they
[00:26:04] differ, just power, just power,
[00:26:07] let's employ our own. Somehow everything is the same from election cycle to election cycle, but let's
[00:26:11] see, when we look back at these past seven days of campaigning, how much has
[00:26:15] passed, what is it that struck you as a first
[00:26:18] impression, what left an impression
[00:26:22] on you, what did you see on the streets, what did you
[00:26:25] hear at these rallies? Populism
[00:26:28] and no restraint.
[00:26:31] So, they really understood that
[00:26:34] elections are won on social networks, and they are doing it. This morning I
[00:26:38] saw that obscure, I still
[00:26:41] hope someone will tell me after the show that it's not true, this
[00:26:45] pre-election ad for Haris Zahir,
[00:26:48] Haris Zahiregić, who kills dragons,
[00:26:51] so you can only emotionally participate, laugh
[00:26:55] inside. I'll be very open, so the guy kills
[00:26:59] dragons and plants the flag
[00:27:02] of Bosnia understand, he's the dragon of Bosnia, killing
[00:27:06] dragons of Bosnia and so on, this car is speeding past
[00:27:09] what's-his-name, uh,
[00:27:12] the car across the road, they appear like Jehovah's Witnesses at
[00:27:16] the door, carrying empty bags. My son brought
[00:27:19] me a bag, a piece of paper, and a pen
[00:27:23] the day before yesterday, and
[00:27:26] well, thank you, as they say, never look a gift horse in the mouth, but
[00:27:30] really, I mean, paper, hey. winter pencils
[00:27:33] and so, you can't even get over that. What I noticed is that a lot
[00:27:37] is being spent on these campaigns, going on buses, in columns,
[00:27:40] so that's a lot of money for jackets that are not cheap at all, so
[00:27:44] for those pre-election rallies where there are sound systems,
[00:27:47] posters, I saw that someone, that
[00:27:50] Mr. Bakir Izetbegović is running his campaign under
[00:27:54] the last name Izetbegović, first we could see
[00:27:58] those jackets with many parties on
[00:28:01] two or. not a few, not a few,
[00:28:04] not a few, I must tell you, but here, here's what
[00:28:08] I said, half of Mr. Bakir Izetbegović's head, does it say
[00:28:11] Izetbegović? Now I guess I should guess if he is Alija, Sabija
[00:28:15] or Bakir, one of those three, I mean, who is in
[00:28:17] the picture? Tell me who is in the picture? Then those
[00:28:21] obscure messages and phrases that make
[00:28:24] you sick, then dragons that
[00:28:28] fly, I just watch, really, I, I would now, for
[00:28:32] example... if I were to participate in a campaign, because I'm
[00:28:35] like that, I would answer Haris Zahirvić by riding a broom,
[00:28:39] because they haven't ridden brooms yet, they ride with
[00:28:42] dragons, they drive cultivators
[00:28:46] on tractors, planes and trucks, so
[00:28:49] it's a completely insane situation.
[00:28:53] I know this might be funny to our viewers,
[00:28:57] but I'm just trying to, you see
[00:29:01] how they laugh, and they also find it funny. I'm just trying
[00:29:04] to actually point out
[00:29:14] the conversation, but I would like us to reflect on
[00:29:16] the topic we always seem to
[00:29:19] return to, the participation of women in
[00:29:23] elections. How do you view that picture
[00:29:26] in this year's election process? As they say, "thank you for this
[00:29:29] question," that's what politicians say... I must say that this is
[00:29:33] an important topic for me. There are studies, in fact,
[00:29:36] we never speak idly and I really won't burden your
[00:29:40] viewers with numbers, but there are
[00:29:43] studies from democratic and successful countries where it has
[00:29:47] been proven how much the economy, healthcare,
[00:29:50] social care
[00:29:53] uh is more advanced when you have the right
[00:29:57] women in the right places. So, not politicians, but
[00:29:59] female politicians. To that end, actually, we... the
[00:30:02] Info House foundation, in cooperation with with the EED from Brussels,
[00:30:06] we are actually running a campaign now, we are trying to
[00:30:09] tell women, be smart, we are not saying vote
[00:30:13] for women, I mean, it's stupid to even now
[00:30:17] force someone, but think smart, and when
[00:30:20] you vote for women, vote for women who have something to offer, we
[00:30:24] have, through the last 30 years, great
[00:30:28] women who have done a lot of work, so I would
[00:30:31] say in this. date I could have perhaps joked a little with
[00:30:35] salt, I mean I am serious about
[00:30:38] that populism, but I think that Ms. Sabina
[00:30:41] Čudić is much, how would I say, more useful and
[00:30:44] more functional in politics than many
[00:30:48] men whom we know and who are now holding
[00:30:51] uh I recognize Ms. Vijanović as
[00:30:55] much uh more rational than
[00:30:58] Mr. Dodik.