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[00:00:00] dohar light, you
[00:00:01] of know, sickness and diarrhea same, every
[00:00:03] of every parent's journey with a child that's got you know sickness and
[00:00:06] diarrhea. um, but then as things progressed she
[00:00:10] started to bleed and that's when we went back to the doctors and that's when we were rushed
[00:00:14] a
[00:00:16] a casualty um and everything you saw in dirty business is what happened
[00:00:19] um which is the the channel 4 series yeah
[00:00:23] based on your family's experience and
[00:00:26] exploring the state
[00:00:28] of the UK waters and the yeah the industry involved in it
[00:00:31] southwest water carried out
[00:00:33] a investigations at the time um despite formal investigations
[00:00:37] no cause for the outbreak was identified um the inquest
[00:00:41] documentation confirming that no definitive source of infection was established and the
[00:00:44] circumstances southwest water say of waste water infrastructure
[00:00:48] regulation the late 1990s is very different from today and since
[00:00:52] then there has been significant investment however can I
[00:00:56] just say something yeah you can at the time it took them
[00:01:00] '30 days to take samples from the
[00:01:03] a water in the area and we're always told that if there's a sewage
[00:01:06] spillage into the sea 48 hours waiting to see
[00:01:10] but they did not they assumed at the time they completely
[00:01:14] of assumed it was
[00:01:15] from food and when they drew a blank
[00:01:19] that's when they started looking at the environment when you think about it
[00:01:22] back in 1999 and water
[00:01:26] in companies say you're
[00:01:26] in a very different place to to where we were in the'.
[00:01:30] '90s, but are we that? well, that's the thing, I
[00:01:33] mean, you went to Westminster with surface
[00:01:37] against Sewage last week with some very
[00:01:40] stark statistics from the summer
[00:01:44] in period, um, also with personal stories from
[00:01:47] families, this summer,
[00:01:49] there was a young girl called Keeva, eight years old, she became seriously oll after
[00:01:52] swimming at Aven Beach, endorse it again,
[00:01:55] designated bathing water site awarded,
[00:01:59] excellent'. she swallowed seawater while swimming at her local
[00:02:02] beach and was hospitalized afterwards. what is it like for you
[00:02:06] to see this happening up and down the
[00:02:09] country repeatedly? what is
[00:02:13] it like for you as family who have lost a daughter?
[00:02:16] it it's a mixture, there's anger,
[00:02:20] real anger, but also there's
[00:02:24] Jesus a deep sadness, because when i had
[00:02:27] my meeting with the secretary of state and the... secretary for water, the
[00:02:31] minister for water, sorry, I said to them really clearly,
[00:02:35] I am not going to stop until something
[00:02:39] changes, because I cannot allow this to happen
[00:02:43] to another child and another family, I
[00:02:46] can't, because it's horrific, and you
[00:02:50] can't, you can't ignore the fact that this is a public health
[00:02:53] crisis, the the suwage system, its
[00:02:57] primary function is to protect public health. 'and it's
[00:03:01] not doing that, and so I just cannot
[00:03:04] understand why there are all these people in power, all these
[00:03:08] people that have the authority, they must have children, they must
[00:03:12] have families, they must feel,
[00:03:16] you know, they must understand, and yet they continue
[00:03:19] to do the same things over and over again,
[00:03:23] such as discharging sewage into bathing water, why would you
[00:03:27] do that, why would you run the'. on your
[00:03:31] watch, the possibility of another death, why would you
[00:03:35] do that? final question, julie, um, water safety became a
[00:03:38] a mandatory part
[00:03:39] of the curriculum in the UK in schools to do
[00:03:43] with water safety, we had an unprecedented number of deaths this year from people
[00:03:47] getting into difficulty open water swimming, it didn't include
[00:03:50] water quality, we know that that does get to
[00:03:54] as part of geography lessons, but in your case you actually
[00:03:58] brought our guide with the... service against sewage to make people
[00:04:02] aware,
[00:04:03] of because that's the thing, people go to the seaside and they
[00:04:06] of don't always
[00:04:07] have an app to check what the quality of water is like, but you want to
[00:04:11] educate young people, because while they're perhaps not being looked
[00:04:14] after by the state or water companies, they need to
[00:04:17] look after themselves, what do you want to see in schools? well, the
[00:04:20] people that are taking them on the trips, doing the risk assessments, doing a full risk
[00:04:24] assessment, looking at water quality, including that in the risk
[00:04:27] assessment, and also making children. aware, I mean, how many? I
[00:04:31] mean, I know, I because I used to work in education, if kids
[00:04:35] a got dirty, just rinse your hands in the water when you're on an outdoor ed, just give your hands
[00:04:38] and it's like, now that's not the case, that is not a safe
[00:04:42] place to actually make sure you're clean, you know, use some wet wipes, use
[00:04:46] antiback, use something, don't touch your lip, you know, all that kind of
[00:04:50] basic stuff, don't touch yours, wash your hands before
[00:04:53] eating, hygiene, think
[00:04:55] of the water as potentially
[00:04:58] of contaminated, don't assume. It's not cuz
[00:05:01] we can't assume that the water companies, the environmental
[00:05:05] agency, the government are looking after us at the
[00:05:08] moment, they aren't, so we have to protect ourselves.
[00:05:12] And that's my big message at the moment is, don't
[00:05:16] assume, take care, look after your children, keep them
[00:05:19] safe, the water isn't
[00:05:21] safe.
[00:10:37] Prayer apps, digital scriptures and virtual communities: faith
[00:10:41] is moving to our screens, from AI, spiritual guides and tik
[00:10:45] tok priests to worship in virtual reality, technology is changing
[00:10:48] how people believe and belong, but can it deepen
[00:10:52] faith or does something get lost along?
[00:10:57] the way faith on our phones: version says its
[00:11:01] family of bible apps has now passed 1 billion
[00:11:05] installs. for churches, apps and social media are no longer just
[00:11:09] extras, they are becoming important ways to reach people. in
[00:11:12] 2025, the Vatican held its first jubilee for digital
[00:11:16] missionaries with more than 1000 catholic influencers taking part
[00:11:20] in Rome or online. their goal is to connect with people who
[00:11:24] may never... through a church door, in poland, one
[00:11:28] young priest is taking that mission to tik tok. On
[00:11:32] tik toks there are many people who wants to like fight with
[00:11:35] me, so I bless them and yeah, that's what I
[00:11:38] do. This is father Sebastian, he's 30 and has
[00:11:42] more than 42000 followers on
[00:11:45] TikTok. For more than six years he served as a priest
[00:11:49] in Saviece, a Polish town of around 4500
[00:11:52] people. He als pretty
[00:11:55] unusual sideline, so i've got this
[00:11:59] tik tok office, bought this boxes, here
[00:12:02] sit, and i put some music, indie uh,
[00:12:06] christian indie folk, that's what i love, christian
[00:12:10] indie like that, uh, yeah, and i
[00:12:14] start, and i'm going live, sebastian began posting on
[00:12:18] tik tok in october 2022, after watching another priest
[00:12:21] livestream, he thought it was something he could do too and began broadcast.
[00:12:27] not all of his fellow priests approved, but sebastian carried
[00:12:30] on, it worked, so what keeps people
[00:12:34] watching? my tiktok world
[00:12:38] is um is filled with variety. i know that my
[00:12:42] first mission is to, as i said to lead teenagers closer to
[00:12:46] christ, so i want to have stuff about Christ
[00:12:50] and and the church, but i know that i won't like catch them
[00:12:54] when if
[00:12:54] i want if i will be doing only that kind of stuff, that's why i've got some
[00:12:58] kind of lifestyle content or about video
[00:13:01] games,
[00:13:05] poland is still one of europe's most catholic countries, but even here
[00:13:09] fewer people are practicing their faith, especially among
[00:13:12] genz. in 1992, 69% of pols
[00:13:16] aged 18 to 24 said they regularly attended religious services, by
[00:13:20] 2021 that had dropped to just
[00:13:22] 23%. Christianity
[00:13:25] is not shrinking everywhere, it's
[00:13:29] growing fastest in Sub Saheran Africa, driven largely by
[00:13:33] its young expanding population. By 2020, the region was
[00:13:37] home to about 700 million Christians compared with about 500
[00:13:41] million in Europe, but back in Poland, the church
[00:13:45] is losing touch with many young people, Sebastian wants to bring them
[00:13:49] back. I want to catch people who uh who don't follow
[00:13:52] these caltics out, they don't go to church. they don't have any contacts with this
[00:13:56] religion stuff, but they do have a TikTok, my mission in TikTok is to be
[00:14:00] bridged from this their world to the true world from
[00:14:04] God. Catching young people where they already are can
[00:14:08] make faith feel more personal and more accessible, but that same
[00:14:11] access can also be exploited. Islamist preachers have learned to use
[00:14:15] social media to build large, often young audiences, their
[00:14:19] messages can blend into ordinary everyday content, and
[00:14:22] algorithms can gradually narrow the range of you. users see,
[00:14:26] serving them more and more the same. experts worn that in many
[00:14:30] recent cases, much the path to radicalization has unfolded
[00:14:34] online, sometimes beginning on tik tok before moving into
[00:14:37] private chat groups. in Germany, one young muslim woman challenges
[00:14:41] extremist and misogynistic interpretations of her faith, that's made
[00:14:45] her a target of some very ugly backlash. German
[00:14:49] influencer Noor el huda Shihade began receiving death threats
[00:14:53] after she stopped wearing her hijab. She says it no
[00:14:57] longer reflected who she was. It's pretty obvious that I'm
[00:15:00] Muslim. I don't believe that wearing a hijab protects women from being
[00:15:04] sexualized, I just couldn't identify with it or couldn't find a
[00:15:07] personal reason for it, so I stopped wearing it. The
[00:15:11] clip quickly went viral on TikTok where algorithms often amplify
[00:15:15] content that spark strong reactions. The same algorithms
[00:15:19] also amplify islamist preachers, some with hundreds of thousand of
[00:15:22] followers. What experts note. This startly reduces the influx
[00:15:26] of variable content, pushing young users into potential extremist
[00:15:30] bubbles. This online radicalization is a growing
[00:15:33] problem.
[00:15:37] Noor el huda Shihade decided to fight
[00:15:40] back. It
[00:15:43] becomes dangerous when there's no counterbalance. If the only voices
[00:15:47] out there are hate preachers or misogenistic scholars and there's no one
[00:15:51] speaking up against them, offering different perspective and providing
[00:15:55] proper information, then the situation can become very
[00:15:58] dangerous. That's why she speaks out against Islamist
[00:16:02] extremism and misogyny online. She says that the hate
[00:16:06] has not. but neither has she.
[00:16:10] have i clear goal in mind. i really want to protect women from
[00:16:13] religious abuse and i'm not losing focus. sometimes it can hit
[00:16:17] you hard, especially when things get very personal, but my goal is
[00:16:21] much stronger than all that hate.
[00:16:25] some islamist creators present strict ideology in everyday advice
[00:16:29] on marriage, clothing and behavior. they present
[00:16:33] traditional gender roles as religious fact. experts say it's
[00:16:37] important. to have visible alternative voices that show young users
[00:16:40] diverse picture of Islam.
[00:16:44] Using technology to spread the word of God or debate faith is one
[00:16:48] thing, but now technology itself is becoming part the religious
[00:16:52] experience. Several online AI characters are designed to
[00:16:56] simulate Jesus and answer users with responses based on
[00:16:59] biblical texts. They promise personal spiritual guidance,
[00:17:03] but they also turn intimate questions of faith into a page.
[00:17:07] business, seeing God's hand in everyday moments brings true
[00:17:10] peace. You can talk to AI Jesus for just
[00:17:14] few dollars a minute. It was
[00:17:17] created by a US-based tech startup, which offers paid video calls
[00:17:21] through its website and app. AI Jesus was trained
[00:17:24] on the Bible and select sermons. It has focused set of
[00:17:28] information and purpose that's about the spirituality and the
[00:17:31] guidance and mentorship. AI Jesus remembers previous
[00:17:35] conversations and that's meant to. make exchanges more personal and
[00:17:39] foster an emotional connection. It's all part of much bigger
[00:17:43] market. Analyst value spiritual wellness apps, including
[00:17:46] meditation, mindfulness and faith-based apps at more than $2
[00:17:50] billion dollars with AI playing a growing role. We
[00:17:54] have this huge field of spiritualities
[00:17:58] and the mindfulness and the strive for immortality
[00:18:02] and self-optimatization, which I would also call religious
[00:18:05] and in this field a... is playing a
[00:18:09] huge role.
[00:18:11] ai systems generate language by predicting likely words. they have
[00:18:15] no faith or spiritual experience. still, almost
[00:18:18] 40% of christian densiar said AI spiritual advice could be
[00:18:22] as trustworthy as pastors, according to a survey
[00:18:26] carried out by a faith tech company. what AI
[00:18:30] is also doing is creating
[00:18:32] immersive experiences we that
[00:18:36] associate? with um feelings of transcendence and
[00:18:40] religions and here huge question
[00:18:43] is, is this authentic? hi
[00:18:47] Jesus, my name is Jeff. The company says AI Jesus is not intended
[00:18:51] to replace clergy or scripture, but to offer comfort and guidance
[00:18:54] based on Christian teachings, but there are concerns.
[00:18:58] Researchers warn that data protection rules for AI chatbots are often
[00:19:01] unclear. Studies show these systems can also produce false
[00:19:05] information and reproduce bias. The
[00:19:09] experience may feel spiritual, but the service
[00:19:12] remains commercial. Can an AI modeled on
[00:19:16] religious figure offer meaningful spiritual guidance, or does
[00:19:20] it turn faith into a money maker? The AI Jesus exists
[00:19:24] only in the cloud, but physical AI is also entering religious
[00:19:27] spaces. At temple in Kyoto, an AI powered robot has been
[00:19:31] designed to discuss Buddhist teachings and reconnect people with their
[00:19:35] faith. This is Buddha. Japan's first AI robot
[00:19:39] monk hard at work in Kyoto's showing in temple, it can
[00:19:43] walk and sit in lotus position. Once
[00:19:47] again, I bring my palms together in heartfelt prayer.
[00:19:51] Plus buddharoid can have real time conversations about buddhist
[00:19:54] teachings. Buddhism teaches us to avoid violence and
[00:19:57] hurtful words, follow ethical principles and calmly train the
[00:20:01] mind. It might remind you of Minder, this
[00:20:05] humanoid used in another Kyoto temple launched. in 2019,
[00:20:08] but minder can only chant pre-recorded sermons and can't have
[00:20:12] dialogue. buuderoid was developed to offer spiritual advice and
[00:20:16] spark renewed interest in Buddhism in Japan.
[00:20:20] it was developed by saji kumagai. we
[00:20:24] consult regarding our daily, what to
[00:20:27] say problems and troubles or
[00:20:30] anxiety with human marks,
[00:20:34] but front the human, some... we feel
[00:20:38] very shy to uh talk honestly, on
[00:20:42] the other hand, with robot or with AI
[00:20:46] chatbot, it's very easy and to talk.
[00:20:50] Buddhism is one the largest religions in Japan, more than a third the
[00:20:53] population identified as Buddhist in 2020, but the number is
[00:20:57] falling fast, down 12% within a
[00:21:00] decade. Fewer young people feel
[00:21:03] connected to the faith, still not everyone's convinced about using
[00:21:07] AI to change
[00:21:08] that. There are
[00:21:12] many ways to answer
[00:21:13] questions.
[00:21:50] Buddo roid knows its mission well. I am not a Buddhist
[00:21:54] monk, but I have given the role of conveying the teachings of Buddhism and
[00:21:58] listening everyone's stories. Japan isn't the
[00:22:02] only place exploring how robots might interact with religion. In
[00:22:06] the United Arab Emirates, humanoid robot dressed in traditional
[00:22:10] emirati clothing also sparked debate. Clips
[00:22:13] appearing to show buosunaida praying a mosk true criticism
[00:22:17] online. Some social media users argued. that prayer requires
[00:22:21] intention, consciousness and faith, qualities a
[00:22:24] machine cannot possess. the robot's inventor is clear about his
[00:22:28] limits. robot is not cannot be muslim or cannot
[00:22:32] be a religion, it's robot. we take
[00:22:36] it to improve our life. when faith goes digital, who
[00:22:40] gets the final say? the believer, the religious community or
[00:22:43] the people behind the algorithm. there are no simple answers
[00:22:47] and this debate is only beginning. So what do you
[00:22:51] think, would you turn to an AI for spiritual advice? Let us
[00:22:55] know, that's all from me, thanks for watching,
[00:22:57] bye.