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[00:01:52] We will continue to talk about the problem with which we woke up this morning,
[00:01:56] we don't have water at the tap, but we do. They say Sarajevo
[00:02:00] is once again facing
[00:02:02] at the airport, there is no reductions, citizens are without basic necessities
[00:02:05] for days, at the same time Bosnia and Herzegovina is often described as a country rich
[00:02:09] in water resources, so the logical question arises, where
[00:02:13] is the problem? Is it in climate change, in dilapidated
[00:02:17] infrastructure, in water losses or in the way we manage it in
[00:02:20] the 21st century? The question
[00:02:23] consuming water that is in of water should not be a question of political promises, but of basic
[00:02:26] system functioning, and why haven't we solved it yet, here...
[00:02:30] is a question, but many more questions for my guests this morning, Professor Dalibor
[00:02:34] Balian, who is a member of the Academy of Sciences of Bosnia and Herzegovina,
[00:02:38] a corresponding member of the Academy of Sciences and Arts of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Professor Muris Pahić
[00:02:41] from the Faculty of Natural Sciences and Mathematics of the University of Sarajevo, good morning to you and
[00:02:45] welcome to a new day, good morning to you and to the viewers, good morning, how
[00:02:49] else can we call it, I dare say, other than a
[00:02:53] civilizational disgrace that we in Bosnia and Herzegovina,
[00:02:56] or rather in Sarajevo mostly, don't have water for
[00:02:59] days. That is, we have reductions without any fixed order or schedule as to when
[00:03:03] the water will disappear and when the water will come, Mr. Spahić, what would you call
[00:03:07] this that we are experiencing these past few days, it is obvious that
[00:03:11] Beijing, where they successfully responded to we are most likely one of the capitals in the world
[00:03:15] that has problems with
[00:03:18] water, I have a feeling that even
[00:03:21] those who desalinate seawater have
[00:03:25] a more regular water supply than
[00:03:28] Sarajevo. "How is that possible? It's
[00:03:32] possible, everything is possible, you said several things at the beginning
[00:03:36] that are actually all integrated into
[00:03:39] one whole, that whole gives the result, no
[00:03:42] water, uh, water
[00:03:46] cannot be thought of as a commodity, it is
[00:03:49] the most important resource, because it needs to be nurtured, lived
[00:03:53] with and used rationally, have we
[00:03:57] been doing that for years, you, Professor Balijan, warned seven
[00:04:00] months ago, right here you said that we would come to
[00:04:04] a situation where we have no water, 10 years ago you, you mentioned before
[00:04:08] this connection that we would come to a situation where we have no water,
[00:04:11] here we are, so it is a long-term process, we are
[00:04:15] basically living for years and years on that ecological
[00:04:18] debt, we consume more than nature can give, in our
[00:04:22] case, how much nature can filter clean water, we have
[00:04:26] those underground waters, the wells will go even deeper, they
[00:04:29] need to be... dug even deeper, deeper, deeper, but we are consuming
[00:04:33] that water that has been forming for thousands of years,
[00:04:36] aha, we cannot restore it, and why can't
[00:04:39] we restore it? Well, because we have devastated nature, mhm, so that is
[00:04:43] connected and one thing is connected to another and if I devastate
[00:04:46] nature, I have no water, but I want water, water means
[00:04:49] life to me, we are not the only ones, look last year
[00:04:53] Ankara had a big problem, there was a drought in Ankara,
[00:04:57] the city has two million inhabitants, they are without
[00:05:00] water, they have exhausted their lakes that were
[00:05:04] designated for water, so now they are building a large
[00:05:06] Trans-Anatolian aqueduct from the
[00:05:10] Euphrates to bring water for hundreds
[00:05:13] of kilometers to Ankara, we must also think in that way, before
[00:05:17] the war it was considered to build a White River
[00:05:20] hydro-accumulation, so it's not a hydro-accumulation for generating
[00:05:23] electricity, but for supplying the city with water, that was abandoned,
[00:05:27] after the war a project was made for the Black River, it seems
[00:05:30] that was abandoned, there was also a big problem because the water
[00:05:34] needs to be brought through the Republika Srpska entity to Sarajevo, because
[00:05:38] any other water intake through the Federation would be too expensive.
[00:05:42] expensive, so we didn't do any of that,
[00:05:45] there is water, Professor Spahić, you say that, there is water, where is that
[00:05:49] water? Of course there is water here, I must say
[00:05:52] something that is very important, we cannot look
[00:05:56] for new water sources, unless we have reserves
[00:06:00] until we use what we have, what is in front of us, mhm,
[00:06:03] we cannot in this way, you know, in the Sarajevo
[00:06:06] field reduce hydrological zones,
[00:06:10] i.e. water protection zones so that... then we have an alibi to say,
[00:06:14] let's now bring for example the Black River, some other rivers
[00:06:18] that are located in the hinterland of the Sarajevo
[00:06:20] field. The Sarajevo field is a huge area
[00:06:24] and that huge area is covered
[00:06:28] with gravel and sand detritus in which
[00:06:32] water is located, that water is called groundwater,
[00:06:36] mhm, it is up to the water-retaining layer, that water-retaining layer, the first
[00:06:39] water-retaining layer up to 25 m deep. But
[00:06:43] there is also a second layer which is at 120 m deep,
[00:06:46] water-retaining, within that layer there is
[00:06:50] mixed water with gravel and sands and
[00:06:54] it maintains the upper groundwater level which depends on
[00:06:57] external factors, among other things, of course it depends on
[00:07:01] the inflow of water, what does that mean so that citizens understand why
[00:07:05] we don't have water, now we will tell you, we cannot
[00:07:09] answer that directly, we need to have a little
[00:07:13] introduction for that, besides the Sarajevo
[00:07:16] field, which has a huge amount of water, we have two karstic
[00:07:20] hinterlands, that is the karstic Bjelašnica,
[00:07:23] Igman, however, regarding
[00:07:26] Bjelašnica and Igman, as my colleague just said,
[00:07:29] we do not pay enough attention to
[00:07:32] zaštitimo te te krške vode, već smo dozvolili,
[00:07:36] for example, urban construction on
[00:07:39] Bjelašnica and we have converted the fourth
[00:07:42] water protection zone into a hydrological zone, it cannot be done
[00:07:46] that way, it's not, you know, drawing a line
[00:07:50] with a pencil, then erasing it, the same thing is happening
[00:07:53] with the reduction of this mm hydrological, or rather
[00:07:57] water protection zone, the first water protection zone and the second, and
[00:08:00] proclaiming this first to second
[00:08:03] and so on in order to actually free up space for
[00:08:07] something else, that is actually construction,
[00:08:10] that is housing construction. These are the problems, among other things,
[00:08:14] the initial ones, so that is one axis of problems, the second axis
[00:08:18] of problems is the most important, that is that in
[00:08:21] previous planning not enough attention was paid
[00:08:24] to how to strategically
[00:08:27] introduce the concept
[00:08:30] of constant care for
[00:08:33] waters in Bosnia and Herzegovina, and primarily in Sarajevo for
[00:08:37] the reason that if we take care of those waters, then
[00:08:41] we will have less loss of water, mhm, we will have
[00:08:44] more water in the water pipes and on the other
[00:08:48] hand we will conduct
[00:08:51] new research in the Sarajevo field to connect
[00:08:54] several wells with each other so that we
[00:08:57] have a large amount of water that is
[00:09:00] now available, however, the piezometric
[00:09:04] inflow of these waters is very low, it is low because
[00:09:07] the Sarajevo field has not been sufficiently connected
[00:09:10] to get more water. And just one more
[00:09:14] fact, imagine that a loss of
[00:09:17] 72.8% of the water that Sarajevo
[00:09:20] receives, if it had remained in the
[00:09:23] Sarajevo field, that would be a huge reserve of water
[00:09:27] that is actually being preserved, we would not have these
[00:09:30] restrictions, we would not have these reductions, we would not have these problems
[00:09:34] with the water supply network and so on, the citizen asks a logical question
[00:09:37] very uh, could it
[00:09:40] have been foreseen, professor, that this would happen? You warned, and
[00:09:44] you know how those who are actually in the relevant ministries and
[00:09:48] who manage the companies that are responsible for the regular
[00:09:52] supply or irregular supply of water, they act
[00:09:55] as if they were surprised by what happened, is this something that should have
[00:09:59] caught us by surprise, or is this actually a trend that repeats itself and will repeat
[00:10:02] itself? That's like saying in January, snow
[00:10:06] surprised us, that's right, so the roads were covered,
[00:10:09] which means we have to be prepared for it.
[00:10:13] So, we know climate change is coming,
[00:10:16] we've known for 20, 30, 50 years that
[00:10:19] this is being talked about, we haven't done anything, we haven't taken
[00:10:23] any action.
[00:10:25] to suppress it, we know that climate change affects forests, so
[00:10:29] look at the fires we had this year,
[00:10:33] we lost just through those fires, those are huge
[00:10:36] amounts,
[00:10:39] so we are not doing anything, and we are massively re-purposing forest
[00:10:42] land for construction, we are building against food, that
[00:10:46] is a story in itself, this is
[00:10:49] what's happening, I have a small estate in Posavina, I have a well
[00:10:53] for water 9 m. That well has been used for 100
[00:10:57] years, an old well, for three
[00:11:00] years I have no water in that well, I draw
[00:11:03] water from 21 m deep, at 21
[00:11:06] m deep I have water, on one side is the Sava River, on the other side
[00:11:10] the Bosna River, the level from which I draw water is lower than
[00:11:13] those rivers, meaning there is less and less water,
[00:11:17] mhm, meaning we can talk about this and that, there is
[00:11:21] less and less water, what colleague Spahić says that 70% of
[00:11:25] water is lost, what do you think, how many illegal water connections do we have,
[00:11:29] mhm, the biggest problem is with those connections, I think that
[00:11:32] surely 20 to 25% of that
[00:11:35] lost water are illegal water connections,
[00:11:38] then there, then we have constant problems, when
[00:11:42] you say we have water at the source, but it gets lost before reaching
[00:11:45] the citizens, it gets lost, it gets lost somewhere we can say
[00:11:48] 150% due to faulty installations that
[00:11:52] leak, that are dilapidated in parts of the city, and installations that have been
[00:11:55] underground for 100 years, never done, a large
[00:11:58] project for the city's water supply was last done
[00:12:01] around the beginning of the 70s, when
[00:12:04] Bačevo was expanded, when those large pumps were built, large
[00:12:08] metal pipes were laid, I live down in Ilidža, and I remember when it was
[00:12:12] being dug, I was little and could enter that pipe, mhm,
[00:12:15] the pipes are somewhere around a meter in
[00:12:19] diameter, since then practically nothing
[00:12:22] has been done, only some maintenance, but everything
[00:12:25] has its lifespan, it can't last forever, investments must be made again,
[00:12:29] we must modernize the city's water supply and then
[00:12:33] we can say that even these modest amounts of water that we have will
[00:12:36] be enough for now, that it is already starting to affect
[00:12:40] the health of citizens who complain about various
[00:12:44] viruses, stomach problems, due to
[00:12:48] the pipes or remains in the pipes and sometimes reaches them after
[00:12:52] these reductions stop, how seriously should all this
[00:12:55] actually be taken, because there is silence about
[00:12:58] it, and if you ask doctors, they will tell you that more
[00:13:02] and more patients are coming precisely because of water issues,
[00:13:06] they asked me a long time ago about that, this, I answered
[00:13:09] that, so I will repeat it, constant
[00:13:12] water reductions uh create a problem
[00:13:16] of vacuum, mhm, that vacuum, you know when there's no water, then
[00:13:19] then a vacuum is created then it sucks
[00:13:23] up
[00:13:25] everything that is inside that pipe, however
[00:13:29] there are many pipes that are cracked, now
[00:13:32] there is reversible suction
[00:13:35] and that water that has leaked out before that together with
[00:13:38] this here we now say
[00:13:42] sludge, but some other elements that are very
[00:13:46] toxic, it can be fecal water, in this
[00:13:49] way there is actually a mixing of one and the other, I
[00:13:53] recently saw someone... published that his glass
[00:13:57] of water was full of mud, that is
[00:13:59] the problem that is happening, however, no one
[00:14:03] has declared themselves about it until now, you know, mhm,
[00:14:06] unfortunately, we don't even have a good service
[00:14:09] that deals with mm the epidemiological state
[00:14:13] of the water, for the simple reason that these waters are not only
[00:14:16] the waters in the Sarajevo field that are found, that are supplied,
[00:14:20] they are replenished by railway, you know what kind
[00:14:23] of railway this can be. during floods, but
[00:14:27] also those waters are supplied from
[00:14:30] Bosnia, and Bosnia at the source
[00:14:33] directly receives water from Bjelašnica,
[00:14:37] meaning there is a narrow hydrological connection,
[00:14:40] this through carbonates
[00:14:44] between Babin Dol, Veliko Polje on
[00:14:47] Igman, Babin Dol on Bjelašnica, Veliko
[00:14:50] Dol on Igman, the small
[00:14:53] what's its name, this. uh field that directly
[00:14:57] flows into Bosnia, meaning
[00:15:00] there is a close connection that has already
[00:15:03] been proven by coloring, now you can imagine that
[00:15:06] water, that is all the sewage from
[00:15:10] the Olympic Games and beyond has cracked, that it
[00:15:13] has actually collapsed in some
[00:15:17] places in several places, then the question arises, what waters
[00:15:20] come to the source of the Bosna, what are we drinking then? I remember when I
[00:15:24] took students... led them when I was an assistant in
[00:15:27] hydrology to the source of the Bosna, then we could
[00:15:30] drink this water, water
[00:15:34] from the spring, but now you have a sign there immediately. a board,
[00:15:38] water not for drinking, you know, and one more thing
[00:15:40] just now, when you were talking about this
[00:15:43] problem, we talk about a problem when it exists
[00:15:47] and we think no matter how it came about, this
[00:15:50] very quickly, as expected,
[00:15:54] as Professor Balijan said earlier,
[00:15:58] uh, we look at it as if it
[00:16:01] just happened and we will now with these
[00:16:04] broadcasts or other
[00:16:07] conversations solve this problem, this problem is not
[00:16:11] solved on the same day, at the same moment, this
[00:16:15] problem is not solved even in a year, nor in years, but it's
[00:16:18] not solved by rain, professor, because look, in recent days
[00:16:22] they say, we are waiting for rain, because the one that fell last
[00:16:26] Thursday, did not have enough capacity to solve all
[00:16:29] our problems, so it's like we don't have rain, what can rain actually do?
[00:16:33] We always look at the sky, when there are floods, we look...
[00:16:37] when it will stop, and when there are droughts then we look when it will start
[00:16:41] raining, we must not rely on it,
[00:16:45] but prevent these negative elements that can
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[00:18:37] The Ha9 team of the Vogošća Fire Department, handler Davorin Sekulić
[00:18:41] and search dog Đurđa represented Bosnia and Herzegovina at
[00:18:45] the World Cup of search dogs in
[00:18:48] a series of challenges designed according to real rescue
[00:18:52] operations. How does working with a dog that saves human lives look like,
[00:18:56] how much trust must exist between the dog handler and the dog, and what did
[00:18:59] one of the largest world competitions of rescue teams show?
[00:19:03] We talk about that next with Davorin Sekulić, and Đurđa
[00:19:06] has come to our... to visit us again, good morning and welcome, thank you for being with us this morning,
[00:19:10] good morning and thank you for inviting us, Đurđa has returned from Beijing,
[00:19:13] disciplined, much more disciplined than she was last
[00:19:17] time, it seems to me, I think she's just more tired, this
[00:19:21] time, but otherwise still mischievous as she
[00:19:24] was, well, I hope that she will remain
[00:19:28] as calm as she is now, she was good
[00:19:31] Đurđa was good anyway last time, how did it happen
[00:19:35] that you went to Beijing, well? Actually, the Vogošća
[00:19:38] Fire Department received an invitation to Beijing,
[00:19:42] we actually didn't even believe it when it arrived,
[00:19:44] I thought someone was joking with us, with colleagues
[00:19:48] from the Vogošća Fire Department, with other handlers, with
[00:19:52] the commander and everyone agreed, that
[00:19:56] is, they gave me and Đurđa this
[00:19:59] opportunity to go for the first time and that's
[00:20:02] how we actually went to Beijing
[00:20:06] after, let's say, many "especially because of the papers that had
[00:20:09] to be obtained, some
[00:20:12] tests that had to be done for entry into China, and
[00:20:15] which are not done in Bosnia and Herzegovina, so
[00:20:19] we managed to finish that, but in the end there was
[00:20:22] a problem with the airplanes, actually they wouldn't
[00:20:26] let Đurđa on the plane, not just Đurđa
[00:20:29] but many other dogs,
[00:20:32] in conversation with other
[00:20:36] handlers from other countries. They actually had similar
[00:20:39] problems, so we actually arrived at the world championship
[00:20:42] two and a half days late and had to
[00:20:45] join the whole process immediately.
[00:20:49] On the first day, we had three searches, which was
[00:20:53] very difficult after the journey, while most
[00:20:56] countries had, let's say, one search per
[00:21:00] day, yes, so right from the start you were not in
[00:21:02] the same position, so your starting position was not the same as
[00:21:06] other teams, and what results are you actually coming back with? Well, we are coming
[00:21:10] back with very good results, very good
[00:21:13] experiences first of all, m
[00:21:17] we didn't expect much... because we
[00:21:20] are, let's say, a young organization that started
[00:21:24] a little over two years ago to change something in Bosnia and
[00:21:27] Herzegovina, to actually work with search
[00:21:30] dogs at some, let's say, world
[00:21:33] level, we primarily went there to see what was happening
[00:21:37] and what it looked like, we didn't have, let's say, a
[00:21:41] result as a goal, but
[00:21:44] we actually wanted to show ourselves as well as possible
[00:21:47] so as not to embarrass ourselves or the country
[00:21:50] or the organization, and I think we
[00:21:54] did an excellent job considering the circumstances,
[00:21:57] that Đurđa was really
[00:22:01] good and up to the task, it was clear that she was very
[00:22:04] tired and that between these, let's say,
[00:22:08] short breaks, she was constantly sleeping and asking to
[00:22:11] rest, but she actually worked
[00:22:14] excellently, this was first of all a very significant
[00:22:17] experience for you, so there you met
[00:22:21] some of the best rescue teams in the world
[00:22:24] and what was most important for you in that exchange
[00:22:28] of experiences? Well, when we actually went there,
[00:22:31] we saw that these were handlers who were, let's say, as far as
[00:22:34] licenses are concerned, everything at the highest
[00:22:38] possible level, I mean mm these were, I don't know,
[00:22:41] some very large countries that invest
[00:22:45] continuously in rescue teams, dogs,
[00:22:48] I mean for decades. And actually we still can't
[00:22:52] compare ourselves to them and actually
[00:22:56] we only have one great desire to be, let's say,
[00:22:59] in that rank, actually it was
[00:23:03] a very great experience for us because
[00:23:06] the conditions were very realistic, so we
[00:23:09] first had a search, it was
[00:23:12] a simulation of a collapsed building, we didn't know how many people
[00:23:16] there were, how many people were being
[00:23:20] searched for and... and the judges told us
[00:23:23] immediately, this is a world level and know that it will be
[00:23:27] absolutely very difficult, we deliberately made
[00:23:30] it like this to see how
[00:23:33] dogs actually work, how much they can find, mm,
[00:23:37] actually for one search we have 20 minutes and after
[00:23:40] that it stops, now how much the dog managed to find in
[00:23:44] 20 minutes, actually the dog and the handler, because they work
[00:23:47] as a team, after that we had this search in nature,
[00:23:51] it was a simulation that a landslide
[00:23:55] happened, we also didn't know how many victims
[00:23:58] there were and only at the end when it was over, we had of course
[00:24:01] a night search and a search in a kind of
[00:24:04] collapsed factory
[00:24:07] mm and after, I don't know, three days we finally
[00:24:11] found out, actually the judges told us
[00:24:14] how many victims there were and how many dogs
[00:24:17] found and actually when I saw those results, then I was very
[00:24:21] satisfied, at the beginning I must say that we
[00:24:24] came and immediately started the
[00:24:27] search process,
[00:24:30] somehow when other handlers were returning saying we found five, we found
[00:24:33] six, this, you know,
[00:24:37] our Đurđa found two, I was a bit disappointed,
[00:24:40] then at the briefing when it was for them as if
[00:24:44] there were only, for example, two people in the rubble,
[00:24:47] like that, so there were also
[00:24:51] some false mm
[00:24:54] mm traces,
[00:24:57] they set out food scents
[00:25:00] and human scents that were not actually
[00:25:04] there, cadaver scents, that is
[00:25:07] dead people, just to see if the dog would actually
[00:25:11] bark, that is mark a living
[00:25:14] person or if it would, and she did mark a living person both times,
[00:25:18] so she didn't fall for those false trails.
[00:25:20] "she didn't fall for these
[00:25:23] false trails, yes, she managed to
[00:25:27] find all of them she marked
[00:25:30] actually live people in some situations the guide was
[00:25:34] not allowed to enter the search zone, so how does that look, how much
[00:25:38] are you there, how much does communication with you
[00:25:41] mean to her, your proximity or some instructions that you give her or do you just let
[00:25:45] her into that search zone and simply there is communication
[00:25:49] it must - this must exist because the dog
[00:25:52] somehow expects from you which
[00:25:56] way you will send it and how does
[00:25:59] that communication actually look like, actually
[00:26:02] this? "The ruin was such that it was fenced off with tape.
[00:26:06] We were immediately told at the beginning
[00:26:08] that the dog could be released
[00:26:12] into the ruin. You as rescuers cannot
[00:26:16] go into the ruin because it is unsafe for you.
[00:26:20] M, actually, that is very difficult because we cannot
[00:26:23] see when the dog
[00:26:27] marks where it marks. For example, I had a case
[00:26:31] where... Djurdja marked, but I couldn't,
[00:26:34] since these are huge ruins, I couldn't see where
[00:26:38] she marked, and since I get that sticker, I mark
[00:26:41] where, I stuck it in front of Djurdja instead of
[00:26:45] behind, which is a mistake,
[00:26:48] but it is very, very, very important because
[00:26:51] with the dog, you also practice
[00:26:55] that directing, all of that means that on command
[00:26:58] by voice and hand, it can be sent from one part, from one segment,
[00:27:02] to another segment, that it can be recalled if
[00:27:06] there is danger and so on. What was the
[00:27:09] most challenging moment for you during the performance in Beijing? Well, actually, the
[00:27:13] most challenging moment for us was this journey that we had to
[00:27:16] make, because it was 28 hours, about 30
[00:27:20] hours, about 30 hours, it was even longer on the way back
[00:27:24] actually, because due to, let's say,
[00:27:27] problems with dog transport, because
[00:27:31] the dog needs to go to the cabin with us to the world
[00:27:34] competition because it is very stressful for the dog to go
[00:27:38] to, as they are down there in the cargo
[00:27:40] hold. M, we were denied
[00:27:44] by two airline agencies
[00:27:48] to fly with them, and then we had to drive to
[00:27:50] Budapest to travel, then by plane to
[00:27:54] Cairo, then 5 hours of waiting,
[00:27:57] then to Beijing, that is very exhausting for the dog,
[00:28:01] especially since... "For example, in Cairo,
[00:28:05] place for dogs to relieve themselves or anything like that,
[00:28:08] so that it is perhaps a little
[00:28:12] very stressful and all that, that the dog has to endure for 30 hours,
[00:28:15] this
[00:28:17] was there anyone from other
[00:28:21] rescue teams who traveled at least approximately that much? Yes, yes, yes,
[00:28:24] there were other
[00:28:28] ones, there were even from Argentina,
[00:28:32] for example, and they went via Paris, then
[00:28:35] mm, that's how it is,
[00:28:39] with the fact that, well, most airline agencies
[00:28:42] do not
[00:28:44] allow dogs to be transported
[00:28:48] in the cabin unless they are real service dogs,
[00:28:52] even though they are search dogs, so it is not easy
[00:28:55] to get to Beijing with a dog, and it was, it was
[00:28:59] certainly, how many days were you there, how long did all that last? "When did you
[00:29:03] return? M, we arrived, then
[00:29:06] we returned on Wednesday evening, so we were there for about, let's say, five
[00:29:10] full days, considering that
[00:29:13] we were late, we should have been there for a little over seven days.
[00:29:17] And what makes Djurdja special, what did you conclude
[00:29:20] and learn about Djurdja, after Beijing
[00:29:23] and what are her
[00:29:27] most important qualities that have come to light now? Well, I think
[00:29:31] it's perseverance. Actually,
[00:29:34] that she doesn't give up, that
[00:29:37] no matter how difficult it is, actually,
[00:29:40] and there, when we were looking, it was very hot, very, very
[00:29:43] high humidity, very hot, so that
[00:29:47] all of that, let's say, for her, was very, very difficult,
[00:29:50] she, despite all that fatigue and all that, was persistent and
[00:29:54] did not interrupt the search once, even though she had
[00:29:58] three searches in one day, so I can say
[00:30:01] perseverance and... "She was great on the plane, she was
[00:30:04] calm, even now here, so I absolutely had no
[00:30:08] problems, I thought, since it was our first time flying,
[00:30:11] that it would be a little, especially with many people,
[00:30:15] and she is cheerful by nature, likes to play, she was
[00:30:18] completely excellent.
[00:30:21] And how much did you learn during your stay there,
[00:30:25] that is, communication with other teams, that is, with other
[00:30:28] guides, at what level is it generally
[00:30:31] with us?" "What is the attitude of the state itself towards search
[00:30:35] dogs, guides, towards all these trainings that you
[00:30:39] have to go through and simply towards understanding
[00:30:42] the importance of having a sufficient number of search
[00:30:46] dogs in our country? Well, actually, I think we are still
[00:30:49] at some beginnings, especially, let's say, that
[00:30:53] attitude of the state
[00:30:56] and society itself towards search dogs.