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[00:08:17] Sarajevo, unfortunately, still doesn't have complete answers to questions
[00:08:21] when the water supply will be fully normalized.
[00:08:24] The rains have come, the droughts, in a way, are still here for us,
[00:08:27] reductions have not stopped. The director of ViK explains the problem
[00:08:31] with slow recovery of water sources and an outdated network, while
[00:08:34] experts warn about decades of poor
[00:08:37] management and huge water losses, as well as
[00:08:41] endangered water protection zones and a lack of long-term
[00:08:44] strategy. Whose responsibility is it,
[00:08:48] why are the problems that are known, actually
[00:08:52] it seems, only solved when citizens directly
[00:08:55] feel the problem, how is everything communicated
[00:08:58] and what is adequate and what can be an adequate
[00:09:02] strategy, all of us who really feel the problem,
[00:09:05] we are actually talking about that in the continuation, about that
[00:09:08] way out of the situation, with us is the relevant minister Mladen.
[00:09:12] Djurević, good morning and thank you very much for being here, good
[00:09:15] morning, it's quite clear and it's
[00:09:19] not superfluous to mention that the problem
[00:09:22] is decades old, so somehow maybe even a complete ignorance of everything
[00:09:26] that is happening underground, you
[00:09:29] have been a minister only since 2025,
[00:09:31] it's worth emphasizing, so you haven't had a full four years
[00:09:35] of mandate to deal with these issues, but
[00:09:39] they were an important part of your exposé. That
[00:09:43] certainly, when you remember the situation, as you saw it
[00:09:46] then, so with water supply and what we have
[00:09:49] now, many will say, maybe somehow the
[00:09:52] most direct crisis, what would you say has been
[00:09:55] done, and what has been missed?
[00:09:58] Well, first of all, I would like to say very clearly that regardless
[00:10:02] of the fact that it is, what you emphasized in your introductory
[00:10:06] speech is completely correct, I have no intention
[00:10:08] of avoiding responsibility or of
[00:10:12] excusing myself, and I even have no intention of determining who
[00:10:15] is responsible for such a state of affairs, what
[00:10:19] interests me is to take measures to overcome this
[00:10:22] situation as soon as possible.
[00:10:25] Um, if in October there are
[00:10:29] significant changes,
[00:10:32] more precisely, if October is rainy, we can
[00:10:35] expect that the situation would be resolved in November
[00:10:38] eventually, but it would be resolved for three or four months
[00:10:42] then we would have that problem again, uh,
[00:10:45] you are absolutely right, this this issue was
[00:10:48] ignored until a couple of years ago, when one
[00:10:52] of the governments, I don't even know which one, in 2019, ...
[00:10:55] in 2017 or 2019 took out a loan of 50
[00:10:59] million euros which is being used for the rehabilitation of the water supply and
[00:11:02] sewerage network. If
[00:11:05] that hadn't been done, I think that
[00:11:08] the citizens of Sarajevo Canton would have
[00:11:12] not just a few hours in the night
[00:11:15] times, but generally. What
[00:11:18] interests me is, I mean, if
[00:11:22] citizens need to know the situation. "Ten years ago,
[00:11:25] if you remember, then we had reductions for two or three years
[00:11:29] except for two or three months in the winter
[00:11:33] months throughout the entire year, at that time the
[00:11:36] amount of water that the water supply system operated with was about
[00:11:39] 3,300 cubic meters per hour,
[00:11:42] now that amount is 2,500
[00:11:46] meters, meaning we have an exceptionally dry
[00:11:49] year which is a problem that exists
[00:11:52] with dry and non-dry years to the end,
[00:11:56] meaning the period from April is mm
[00:11:59] so dry that meteorologists say it has
[00:12:02] the strength of a natural disaster,
[00:12:05] however, I am not happy
[00:12:08] that I am even talking about that situation that a canton
[00:12:12] or the capital of a state was not able to solve
[00:12:15] the issue that one of the basic
[00:12:19] needs of citizens is not being questioned, about which
[00:12:23] I am not discussing, I have... we have a situation in Sarajevo, in the canton there are over
[00:12:27] 1500 km of water supply network,
[00:12:30] I'm talking only about the network managed by the waterworks, because there are waterworks in
[00:12:34] two municipalities managed by two other companies,
[00:12:38] municipal companies, and there is a whole series of, let's say,
[00:12:42] private or local water sources where the situation
[00:12:45] is catastrophic and of those
[00:12:49] 1500 km,
[00:12:52] half of it, over 700 km... is in a state of decay,
[00:12:56] mhm, mm, according to
[00:12:59] the most, let's say, most optimistic
[00:13:03] predictions, the cost of reconstructing one kilometer is about one
[00:13:07] million convertible marks, meaning at this moment we need
[00:13:11] 750 million for the reconstruction of only the water supply network and
[00:13:14] plus approximately a little less than that, about 700 million for
[00:13:17] the sewerage network. Furthermore, this water supply system was
[00:13:21] built with, at that time, truly, this.
[00:13:26] application of top principles that existed then, but it was built
[00:13:30] in such a way that we have two main sources, or rather two
[00:13:33] main reservoirs are Mojmilo and
[00:13:37] this Kobilja Glava, and when one of
[00:13:41] them has problems or cannot get water, then we have
[00:13:44] then one half of the city doesn't have it, when it's the second, then the other half doesn't have it,
[00:13:48] meaning something needs to be done that will enable
[00:13:51] the connection of those, uh, springs mm.
[00:13:55] "We also have certain water sources, such as Vrelo
[00:13:59] Moščanica, it is completely autonomous and it supplies only that one part of the city,
[00:14:02] and everyone who is there knows
[00:14:06] that, that is approximately the Faletići part of Vratnik,
[00:14:10] Ophodža, who have big problems,
[00:14:13] but thanks to the human efforts of the employees
[00:14:16] of ViK, they still have water. A similar
[00:14:20] situation is with the Jahorina well, which
[00:14:23] supplies this left
[00:14:27] hillside, the hillside parts on the left side of the Miljacka, those are
[00:14:30] Jerčedoli and Pogled, where
[00:14:33] the situation is also catastrophic, and there is no
[00:14:37] way for them to be supplied now from the main spring from
[00:14:40] this Butila, so
[00:14:43] that situation must be resolved, although I say
[00:14:46] the situation is much better than what we had, so now we have
[00:14:50] 2,500 cubic meters, we had 3,300, then
[00:14:54] the situation was... worse, it's obvious that the people from
[00:14:57] the waterworks have become more skilled or are approaching
[00:15:01] the problem more seriously, so the problem is
[00:15:04] still smaller than it was.
[00:15:07] It depends on who answers the question. Citizens of certain
[00:15:11] settlements say that yes, they have certainly been suffering for years, but that they
[00:15:14] don't remember a situation like this. You say
[00:15:18] that partly responsible for that is the summer
[00:15:21] we had, a summer that
[00:15:24] was. the situation was. I will ask you to somehow use this entire
[00:15:28] overture and overview of the situation you have given us
[00:15:31] precisely for the overture of everything that still needs
[00:15:35] to be clarified. Summer is not to blame, we must not... allow
[00:15:38] climatic conditions to dictate whether citizens
[00:15:41] will have water or not. I am just saying that the situation happened as
[00:15:45] it happened, that it worsens the situation, but
[00:15:48] besides that, whatever the situation, we must
[00:15:52] provide water to the citizens, we must bring water from Crna Rijeka from
[00:15:55] Trnovo, that is a project,
[00:15:58] a millennial project for Sarajevo Canton, if we don't
[00:16:02] start working on it now,
[00:16:04] simply in eight years we can expect Sarajevo to be
[00:16:08] exposed to daily hours-long water
[00:16:11] reductions. That is a project that costs approximately two
[00:16:15] billion convertible marks, but if
[00:16:19] we want to have water, then we must bring that water, the only way we can
[00:16:23] bring it is from the area of Trnovo from the spring Crna, Crna
[00:16:26] Rijeka, well, but you say if we don't start now,
[00:16:30] then we are in danger of serious, that's right, in
[00:16:33] what phase is it, that's no longer
[00:16:36] my. jurisdiction, that's the jurisdiction of the Ministry of
[00:16:39] Economy which deals with
[00:16:42] water supply, but I think
[00:16:45] that, given that I have tried to initiate these
[00:16:49] things, uh, as far as I know, it hasn't, it hasn't even
[00:16:53] started, but it must start with the development of the project,
[00:16:57] securing money, a huge amount is in
[00:17:01] question, but simply a way must be found how to do it, I can
[00:17:04] talk about the things that I can... do and need
[00:17:08] to do and which I have already started, mhm, you basically
[00:17:12] started with your responsibility, you said
[00:17:15] I take it,
[00:17:19] I will work on everything that needs to be done so that as
[00:17:22] I said, I don't want to avoid irresponsibility, that's not
[00:17:26] the goal, someone who sits in this
[00:17:29] position absolutely cannot say that it doesn't concern him, regardless
[00:17:33] of whether he's been here for a few months or, I don't know, how long,
[00:17:36] mhm? But the fact that
[00:17:39] currently a project of eight is actually a project of
[00:17:43] 50 million euros, now it's
[00:17:46] the third phase of that project
[00:17:50] approximately eight, about 8 million
[00:17:52] euros, uh, of which five,
[00:17:56] 5.5 million is a loan,
[00:17:59] the remaining part 2.5-3 million is this grant, mm,
[00:18:03] where the water supply network is being rehabilitated, we have a situation where the losses in
[00:18:07] the water supply network are 71%,
[00:18:10] probably not in the water supply network so many percent, some percentage falls
[00:18:14] on losses through, let's say,
[00:18:17] accounting that people who do not pay private and
[00:18:20] legal entities, but here, let's say it's
[00:18:23] 65% of loss, every loss in every
[00:18:27] city in the world over 30% is
[00:18:29] a disaster, now imagine if you have 750
[00:18:32] km of destroyed, ruined
[00:18:35] network, how will you? overcome that loss, meaning
[00:18:38] the first thing is we must work on reducing
[00:18:41] that loss through the rehabilitation of the water supply
[00:18:44] network, what was done right after
[00:18:47] 30 years ago, is it 25, 30 years ago,
[00:18:51] it's already ripe for this
[00:18:53] reconstruction, and we simply must
[00:18:57] get to a situation where 5% of the
[00:19:00] water supply and sewage network annually
[00:19:03] we must, we must renew. We have huge pipes that are, I don't know.
[00:19:07] the diameter of this room where there is
[00:19:10] only the upper part, the lower part doesn't exist at all, meaning what the earth
[00:19:14] absorbs, it absorbs, what it doesn't absorb, that goes further to the citizens,
[00:19:17] citizens must know that and must know that the situation will not be resolved
[00:19:21] in a month or two or three, regardless of who is in
[00:19:24] power, mhm, you said correctly that for decades nothing
[00:19:28] was attempted, meaning this
[00:19:31] government, of which I was not a member then, secured that
[00:19:35] loan, it is working, I had meetings last
[00:19:38] week with the director of the EBRD
[00:19:42] and we talked about taking out a loan of
[00:19:45] 120 million euros
[00:19:48] for the rehabilitation of the network, and
[00:19:52] uh, that's what I'm specifically working on. Does such a ViK
[00:19:55] as it is enjoy your full trust?
[00:19:58] Well, first of all, I don't know, but
[00:20:02] well, that's your impression, I was not at all
[00:20:05] benevolent towards ViK.
[00:20:09] "Uh, and when I spoke, I spoke about the employees in
[00:20:11] ViK, uh, I didn't speak about the director and
[00:20:15] the management, and all those questions you mentioned,
[00:20:19] these are questions they need to answer, but I know for sure, I know
[00:20:22] for sure that they are putting in immense
[00:20:25] efforts, am I satisfied with that, I am not, but
[00:20:29] what, what to do, what to do, now,
[00:20:33] let's take the situation where we replace the management and put in, will the situation
[00:20:36] be?". better even by an iota?
[00:20:40] No, it won't. Of course the situation is not good. I would be,
[00:20:43] for example, much, much more drastic in my responses than the
[00:20:47] citizens. I know the situation with that. "I see myself as
[00:20:50] both a minister and a citizen of Sarajevo, having the situation I
[00:20:54] have. As for what is up to me, believe me, I am
[00:20:58] undertaking it. Uh, it's not a question of one
[00:21:01] person, it's not a question of ViK, it's a question that
[00:21:05] all citizens must know, now we will come to
[00:21:08] the situation where we
[00:21:10] agree that we must invest those funds. Where will those
[00:21:14] funds come from? From the citizens, from the citizens. Now, when you raise
[00:21:18] four marks for citizens,
[00:21:21] monthly, to pay for reconstruction, everyone will
[00:21:24] complain, well, but given the
[00:21:27] situation, it's quite clear, well, I know, but will we solve that
[00:21:31] issue or will we not solve it, who will give us
[00:21:34] 4 billion just like that, nobody will give
[00:21:38] us, especially when we tell them we will pay more expensive, but
[00:21:41] let the water flow longer from the tap so it's not yellow, well I'm not letting it flow and you must know that, but
[00:21:45] you must know that the ministry, not just mine, but those are
[00:21:48] companies that are... public companies are completely autonomous,
[00:21:52] the minister neither appoints nor dismisses the management,
[00:21:55] nor can he even initiate or propose or even
[00:21:58] initiate, the minister has no role,
[00:22:02] you ask in your question as if I can know how many
[00:22:05] sick leaves there are in ViK, well,
[00:22:08] it's in your department, this public utility company, I suppose
[00:22:12] we need to ask someone, and we pay those we
[00:22:16] ask, thank you very much for being a part of the new day, we must move on, we have run out of time...
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