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[00:00:00] There is simply no one to to dig up that old
[00:00:03] stump in the forest with their foot,
[00:00:06] of course, this this this project
[00:00:09] of the Serbian academic youth is
[00:00:12] very specific, very interesting, very
[00:00:16] innovative, it enters the sphere of something called
[00:00:20] anti-politics, this is not unknown
[00:00:23] in a theoretical sense, it was led by
[00:00:27] very intelligent people, it is not...
[00:00:30] if spontaneous and unorganized as it
[00:00:33] always tries to be portrayed
[00:00:37] and very successful, I don't think
[00:00:41] it's transferable to other situations, to other
[00:00:44] occasions, but it was
[00:00:46] done in any case in a brilliant
[00:00:50] way and I look forward to it, we all
[00:00:54] reports, we are opening an email hope for positive results, in some
[00:00:57] euphoric form, in some radical
[00:01:00] changes, that's absolutely unrealistic, however,
[00:01:03] when it comes to us, when it comes to Bosnia and Herzegovina, the attitude towards Bosnia and
[00:01:07] Herzegovina, its political actors and its situation, every
[00:01:11] new policy in in Serbia is better
[00:01:14] than Vučić's, reshuffles and
[00:01:17] resignations have already started, do you expect lustration to happen
[00:01:20] in Serbia and what if it doesn't
[00:01:23] happen?
[00:01:28] uh, the way. "I'm making this a reference to what we
[00:01:32] had with the removal of Slobodan Milošević and what happened
[00:01:35] very quickly after that, that's why I'm asking this question,
[00:01:39] that uh the way in which serious
[00:01:43] social movements uh which have
[00:01:46] a certain ideological basis, and this is
[00:01:49] it, the way
[00:01:52] changes are actually carried out in this way,
[00:01:56] uh the changes of key, it is expected
[00:01:58] that this process will expand to other
[00:02:02] actors, i.e., other state institutions, it is done
[00:02:06] so quickly, it is done at the same time, it is done
[00:02:10] with momentum, it actually has elements of what
[00:02:13] the Russian Bolsheviks used to call revolutionary
[00:02:17] terror, it looks like that, but it is actually that,
[00:02:20] it is, it can only be done effectively
[00:02:24] in that way and they actually promised that to their
[00:02:27] public, will there be lustration?
[00:02:30] "it is always welcome, it won't be, it's not possible to do it
[00:02:34] in this case in such a massive and
[00:02:37] deep deep sense, but it will certainly
[00:02:40] come, this group of people,
[00:02:44] if you take the composition of the parliamentary group and
[00:02:48] the entire parliamentary list that was by
[00:02:50] students, it actually convinces that it is about
[00:02:54] very competent are often told that they
[00:02:57] don't have political experience, here it's actually..." about the whole case is about
[00:03:01] Dalimore about the crisis and that's now a general
[00:03:05] thing, it's about the crisis
[00:03:08] within liberal, within liberal
[00:03:11] democracy, it's about the crisis of the model of political
[00:03:15] representation, both in Bosnia, and
[00:03:19] believe me, in Brazil, meaning it's about the crisis of
[00:03:22] political representation, of that
[00:03:25] model where, through political parties, we always elect
[00:03:29] the same people, we can't even in our case,
[00:03:33] 80% of the people who entered parliaments were in the previous convocation
[00:03:36] of parliament in the previous government, we can't expect
[00:03:40] anything new from those people, that's the crisis of
[00:03:43] representation, that's why this Serbia is interesting, because
[00:03:46] completely new people are appearing who were not in any
[00:03:49] way part of the system, that's why I'm talking about this anti-politics,
[00:03:53] anti-system, anti- establishment,
[00:03:56] that's actually, in a theoretical sense, when we talk about politology or political
[00:04:00] philosophy, that's one of the
[00:04:03] valid ways and not from existing ones, you can't
[00:04:07] make anything new from existing material,
[00:04:10] anything new, yes, you partially answered my next
[00:04:14] question just now, but but somewhere to
[00:04:16] analyze, can the student revolt spread to the countries
[00:04:20] of the region, and do we even have a critical
[00:04:23] mass ready to rebel against
[00:04:27] the existing system, look,
[00:04:29] we... "we don't have in Bosnia, our situation is very, very,
[00:04:33] very specific, certain
[00:04:36] movements uh, from the aspect of the idea
[00:04:39] of social justice, look, ideas of social
[00:04:43] justice are of course present in recent
[00:04:46] years and they are reflected in election results,
[00:04:50] look, that's how the mayor of New York came, that's
[00:04:53] how the new government came in Berlin,
[00:04:57] uh, on those demands are these movements..." in
[00:05:00] Spain as far as that's concerned, that's how
[00:05:03] the ecological
[00:05:06] uprising in Albania is done,
[00:05:10] these things in when it comes to the closer
[00:05:12] region in Croatia, things started conditionally speaking to get heated with
[00:05:16] these with these affairs concerning waste,
[00:05:19] these manipulations regarding
[00:05:22] the non-lustration, regarding waste, we in
[00:05:26] Bosnia don't have that, every society is specific, it's not possible
[00:05:29] dissatisfaction, there is injustice, there is stratification,
[00:05:33] there are huge differences between the poor
[00:05:36] and the rich, there are huge differences one, but
[00:05:39] one, every society is specific and has its actor, we in Herzegovina cannot expect
[00:05:43] something like that due to the division of society or well
[00:05:47] look, objectively society is divided along ethnic lines, all
[00:05:51] our all our uh uh
[00:05:53] all our dissatisfactions are in the end, through various
[00:05:57] mechanisms, various mechanisms are actually
[00:06:01] channeled to some ethnic
[00:06:04] stabilocracy, look,
[00:06:06] so that these others wouldn't gloat over our
[00:06:10] problems, over our failures, we can't...
[00:06:12] "we can't achieve, I haven't seen that we have achieved
[00:06:16] independently, individually, any common social
[00:06:19] issue, issues regarding justice, rule of
[00:06:22] law, those were the foreigners who had to impose them,
[00:06:26] simply, we cannot establish mechanisms
[00:06:29] of social, social solidarity within three
[00:06:32] different ethnic groups, because
[00:06:36] we actually often define our
[00:06:38] views in a way that if we say something is good, the next
[00:06:42] second, people from the Serbian corpus will say that if they say it's good, we say it's
[00:06:46] bad, I mean, that's how it really works here,
[00:06:49] we wouldn't be able to agree that water
[00:06:53] has no color, taste or smell, we would
[00:06:57] argue about that, society is deeply, deeply
[00:07:00] antagonized, and I
[00:07:03] don't see that, but in part of society, can something happen, we saw in that
[00:07:07] election night, uh, when it comes to, when it comes to elections in
[00:07:10] Serbia, many people came out from Banja Luka into the streets,
[00:07:14] even though it's been less than a month since the elections,
[00:07:18] we heard messages addressed to Milorad Dodik, to the ruling
[00:07:21] structure, uh, so there is that
[00:07:24] dissatisfaction which was actually stifled during the campaign for the elections in
[00:07:28] Serbia, but that evening was used for people to come out
[00:07:32] and say what they think, hardly,
[00:07:34] look, I think, Dodik was saved
[00:07:38] by the fact that his elections were before Vučić's, if it had been
[00:07:41] the other way around, he would have certainly fared badly, we'll see when
[00:07:45] it comes to Republika Srpska specifically, how
[00:07:48] things will unfold in a situation when that entity
[00:07:52] is ruled by father and son, look, and all indications are that they will rule,
[00:07:56] then it is possible for some different interest
[00:07:59] social groups to be formed that can lead to some things in any
[00:08:03] case, you expect if you ask me and you don't ask, I mean
[00:08:06] you expect that any government in the entity...
[00:08:10] Republika Srpska and any political party just follows
[00:08:14] the policy from Belgrade, that's my opinion, yes, but
[00:08:17] Milorad Dodik with his messages in the campaign
[00:08:21] a few days before the elections in Serbia in Serbian,
[00:08:24] i.e., Belgrade media, pretty much burned that
[00:08:28] bridge with the new government in Belgrade, what will be the relationship
[00:08:32] between Belgrade and Republika Srp,
[00:08:35] uh the relationship of any government
[00:08:37] in Belgrade, any government in the office towards
[00:08:41] key strategic issues at this
[00:08:45] moment in relation to Vučić's government will not change significantly, look, when
[00:08:48] it comes to, for example, Republika Srpska, the Dayton
[00:08:52] Peace Agreement, the genocide in Srebrenica,
[00:08:55] the situation in Montenegro, the status of Kosovo,
[00:08:58] is it to be expected that the new government will interfere, for example, in
[00:09:02] the elections in Bosnia and Herzegovina, specifically Republika Srpska, as we
[00:09:05] had in previous periods, of course it was not done
[00:09:08] publicly, but with kid gloves anyway. Not in that way, not in that way,
[00:09:12] look, look, look, not in that way, we
[00:09:15] are, we are all, we are all generally and that is
[00:09:19] I think important to me, with this victory,
[00:09:22] with this change of government, we have all as
[00:09:26] a region, we have all as a region
[00:09:28] achieved a new step
[00:09:31] towards building a more normal,
[00:09:35] civilized society, this is a
[00:09:38] step forward, it is not radical or revolutionary,
[00:09:41] but believe me, I am deeply convinced of that, knowing the history
[00:09:45] and dynamics of relations, we are moving in the right direction,
[00:09:49] in the right direction, it
[00:09:52] is gradual, but we are moving
[00:09:55] in the right direction of such forms
[00:09:58] of interventionism,
[00:10:01] such ideologies as the Serbian world,
[00:10:04] such, impositions, will,
[00:10:08] political agenda, national unity,
[00:10:11] symbolic. Nothing like that will exist in that form anymore, of course, those
[00:10:15] people will not stop being Serbs, they have not stopped being Serbs, the relationship
[00:10:19] between Banja Luka and Belgrade will not
[00:10:22] split in any way, but we
[00:10:25] have achieved with this, we have achieved
[00:10:28] a higher degree of justice,
[00:10:32] normalcy, civilization, regardless,
[00:10:34] regardless of what the next steps will be, of course,
[00:10:38] in politics, actions are important, not words, actions are
[00:10:42] important, we will see when their government is formed, what will
[00:10:45] actually happen to our Council of Ministers, it will be formed someday,
[00:10:49] what kind of relationship will be established, will there be, for example,
[00:10:52] sessions, will we initiate? That will now depend on
[00:10:56] our side, because we are totally passive here, will we initiate
[00:10:59] a session of the Council of Ministers of Bosnia and Herzegovina and
[00:11:03] the Government of the Republic of Serbia
[00:11:06] which, instead of it being sessions between the Government of the Republic of Serbia
[00:11:10] and the entity of the Republic of Serbia, will we insist, I would
[00:11:13] insist or suggest to people to insist on
[00:11:17] an interstate agreement on borders between Bosnia and Herzegovina and Serbia, that would be
[00:11:20] the first test, what kind of government it is, we will see, let's
[00:11:24] define it. between the two states, I mean, nice words are, nice
[00:11:28] words, that movement is heterogeneous, there are also ugly
[00:11:31] words, look, it's a heterogeneous structure, yes, many people are actually in
[00:11:35] that whole spectrum, of course, of course, but but the important parts are actually and that
[00:11:39] now depends actually on the new Council of Ministers from our
[00:11:42] side how it will position itself towards
[00:11:46] Belgrade now that Vučić is gone, he was
[00:11:49] an excuse that nothing could be done, I mean, well, since we're talking about
[00:11:53] forming a government, here too... that actually the formation of the government will follow very soon,
[00:11:57] the CIK confirmed the mandates when it comes to the state
[00:12:00] level, we will have, as things stand now, the old
[00:12:04] new government, not of course this one that we had for the previous four years, but the one we had
[00:12:08] in some earlier period, and what new can we
[00:12:11] expect from the old coalition
[00:12:14] which actually showed what its reach and capacities are, and if
[00:12:18] we bear in mind that those inter-party
[00:12:21] relations are significantly worse than they were
[00:12:25] eight or 12
[00:12:26] years ago,
[00:12:30] I wouldn't want to sound pessimistic, I mean, it's not
[00:12:34] fair to young people, I mean, who
[00:12:36] expect a bright future, they rightly expect a bright future, but
[00:12:40] objectively from our existing actors, look,
[00:12:44] that now again goes back to that story of political representation,
[00:12:47] meaning we're actually taking all parties that are all parties
[00:12:51] are all it's not important now which one. look, we actually have one
[00:12:55] very established party, very
[00:12:58] established party oligarchies, one
[00:13:02] group of people at the head of parties and their
[00:13:05] satellites who hold
[00:13:09] executive executive power and these parliamentary
[00:13:12] positions that do nothing, have a lot of money, from
[00:13:15] these structures that have been more or less two or three
[00:13:18] decades here, objectively it's not
[00:13:22] to expect any new moves, what is
[00:13:25] perhaps positive, positive are these changes conditionally
[00:13:29] conditionally speaking changes are still changes in the region
[00:13:32] so the situation in Serbia has changed, it opens up a new
[00:13:35] space, it opens up space for initiative, so you can now knock
[00:13:39] on the door of the Serbian government and ask, let's define
[00:13:42] the interstate agreement on the border, uh
[00:13:46] the situation in Montenegro is more positive now, that European
[00:13:48] wind, European actually we now... we set up an isolated
[00:13:52] island that is anti-European in the very heart of Europe, that
[00:13:55] wind is positive, look, we have, we have
[00:13:59] a powerful Plenković in the neighborhood, objectively a powerful European figure
[00:14:03] who, whether at the peak of his political career or on the
[00:14:06] decline now is not important, but when it comes to Brussels, he can help us a lot
[00:14:10] the position of the Croatian political factor in Bosnia
[00:14:13] and Herzegovina after the elections for the member of the presidency is significantly
[00:14:17] more favorable, some new possibilities are opening up there
[00:14:20] that were previously perhaps closed with Komšić,
[00:14:23] so these external circumstances, in my
[00:14:27] opinion, favor some normal, smart, responsible
[00:14:30] local people, if there are any in power, I am not
[00:14:34] optimistic, about some things here
[00:14:37] changing here, so our
[00:14:41] micro-regional environment is favorable for this government,
[00:14:44] regardless of the fact that they are old people, it is just expected
[00:14:48] that someone, that someone starts doing their job, that someone has the will to work.
[00:14:52] Has the will to work, Mr. Filendra, thank
[00:14:55] you very much for your time and this comment on current topics, thank
[00:14:58] you. Šaćir Filendra, professor at the Faculty of Political
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[00:20:04] at 16:49 we go to Serbia at... this
[00:20:07] press conference of the student list, after it won a convincing
[00:20:11] victory in the snap parliamentary elections in Serbia, there were never
[00:20:15] more media crews, and students at the conference demanded
[00:20:18] the resignations of leading officials in the police, BIA,
[00:20:21] military security agency, prosecutor's offices, as well as the resignation
[00:20:25] of the president of the Constitutional Court, they demand an audit of funds for important
[00:20:28] projects, a restart of investigations for cases such as
[00:20:32] Krušik, the murder of Oliver Ivanović and the helicopter
[00:20:35] crash. Here's more on what happened at that
[00:20:38] press conference.
[00:20:40] We call on employees in state institutions,
[00:20:44] courts, banks, public enterprises and
[00:20:47] media, to report any destruction
[00:20:50] of documentation, suspicious payments, contracts and
[00:20:53] orders. In this, we rely on honorable and
[00:20:57] professional people in institutions,
[00:20:59] officials, managers, policemen,
[00:21:02] prosecutors, journalists and others.
[00:21:06] Many of you, even under pressure, remained loyal to the law and
[00:21:09] profession. We call on you to continue to
[00:21:12] liberate your institutions to prevent any
[00:21:16] abuse attempted by representatives of the outgoing
[00:21:19] government. In the transitional
[00:21:20] period,
[00:21:23] citizens, workers, managers,
[00:21:26] directors of state enterprises, institutions,
[00:21:30] courts, ministers, current
[00:21:33] and former, are already informally contacting the student movement
[00:21:36] as whistleblowers.
[00:21:40] In order to keep records of all your
[00:21:44] to which you can send us information. The email address is
[00:21:48] Uzbunjivači.
[00:21:50] @studenti.org.rs.
[00:21:54] We demand the resignations of General Director
[00:21:57] Manja Grčić, Editor-in-Chief of the news program
[00:22:00] Bojana Mlađenović. This
[00:22:03] request has been fulfilled, but we further demand
[00:22:06] the resignation of the Deputy General Director
[00:22:09] Dejan Jovanović. Reasons for selective
[00:22:13] reporting, broadcasting, stifling
[00:22:16] pluralism, uncritical transmission of messages from the authorities.
[00:22:20] and stigmatization of students and citizens, until a
[00:22:23] lawful and transparent election of new
[00:22:26] management, we propose a temporary administration
[00:22:30] agreed with representative
[00:22:32] unions of Radio Television of Serbia. From the four members
[00:22:36] of the REM Council, we demand that they publicly explain
[00:22:39] why they changed their stance and voted
[00:22:43] against including Informer in election monitoring.
[00:22:46] We demand the immediate, irrevocable resignation of Vladimir
[00:22:50] Vučić and the dismissal of all those responsible for decisions in which Telekom
[00:22:54] was put into the service of political influence
[00:22:57] and unreasonable spending of money. Immediate
[00:23:00] dismissal of all police officers who
[00:23:04] violated
[00:23:04] the law.
[00:23:08] And above all, the head of the Criminal Police Department, Marko
[00:23:11] Krivokapić. The commander of the Gendarmerie,
[00:23:14] Radoslav Repac. The commander of the Special Anti-
[00:23:18] terrorist Unit, Igor Žmirić, that's right,
[00:23:21] the head of the police administration in Valjevo, Vladimir
[00:23:25] Jerinić, that's right.
[00:23:28] je,
[00:23:31] The head of the technical department, Goran Colić, as well as
[00:23:34] other employees who violated the law and other
[00:23:38] by-laws on the conduct of police
[00:23:42] officers, and also the assistant
[00:23:45] minister, head of the internal
[00:23:48] control sector, Miroslav Paunović, that's right,
[00:23:51] it is necessary to temporarily assign
[00:23:55] to their positions superiors
[00:23:58] who are competent to manage the aforementioned
[00:24:02] organizational units, in order to enable
[00:24:04] their unimpeded functioning
[00:24:08] in the coming period.
[00:24:10] Also, the student list Students Win
[00:24:14] demands that all superiors and perpetrators
[00:24:18] who in the previous period were unjustifiably
[00:24:21] dismissed for political or other unprofessional
[00:24:24] reasons and assigned to other
[00:24:28] positions, be immediately reinstated
[00:24:31] to their positions, that's
[00:24:33] right, the student list, Students Win,
[00:24:37] urgently demands from the Supreme Public Prosecutor that all public
[00:24:40] prosecutor's offices lawfully, impartially and urgently
[00:24:44] proceed with cases that have caused great public attention and
[00:24:48] disturbance. That they immediately inform
[00:24:52] the public about this, especially in cases of the Higher Public Prosecutor's Office
[00:24:55] in Belgrade regarding which it is necessary to consider the need
[00:24:59] for substitution and assignment of cases to the Prosecutor's Office for Organized
[00:25:02] Crime. Furthermore, the student list
[00:25:06] Students Win demands from the Chief Public Prosecutor for Organized
[00:25:09] Crime Mladen Nenadić. to immediately take action
[00:25:13] in all cases in which the public is interested,
[00:25:16] especially in the so-called "Canopy of General Kalštab"
[00:25:20] and Sky correspondence cases, and to immediately inform the public
[00:25:24] of the actions taken, as well as to take all measures and actions to
[00:25:28] determine the criminal liability of public prosecutors,
[00:25:31] especially Nenad Stefanović and
[00:25:34] Miodrag Marković, for the criminal offense of abuse
[00:25:38] of official
[00:25:39] position.
[00:25:55] so, the train accident in Spain, the second this year
[00:25:58] and the key question arises, so, who is responsible for... at
[00:26:02] this moment 68 people 69
[00:26:05] 69 the last information
[00:26:08] although we will probably get
[00:26:11] more numbers on this in the coming period, uh
[00:26:15] today I heard a statement from a gentleman who
[00:26:19] mm luckily survived what happened
[00:26:22] he says I went towards the cabin, but
[00:26:25] there was no cabin, it was just crumpled metal, in that crumpled
[00:26:29] metal were bodies, mm...
[00:26:32] What is fascinating here
[00:26:36] and we found out yesterday but today we did not get
[00:26:39] any information is how this even happened, what viewers
[00:26:43] see in the video wall, because one of these trains was stationary at that
[00:26:47] moment, the other was moving at full speed, we found that out today
[00:26:51] and yes, although the first information was that it was moving at
[00:26:55] 20 to 30 miles per hour, obviously the scale of the accident
[00:26:59] shows that it is so, that is completely correct and...
[00:27:02] what we had yesterday was that there was
[00:27:05] a collision, it wasn't a collision, but it was an impact,
[00:27:08] because simply
[00:27:10] this uh this, one was
[00:27:14] completely stationary and the other crashed
[00:27:17] into it at high speed and what we found out today
[00:27:21] is that one uh, that is,
[00:27:24] the driver of that train contacted Toča from
[00:27:27] the center in Madrid and asked uh
[00:27:31] the operator "do I have a green light to go at full speed,
[00:27:35] and he told him yes,
[00:27:37] and he was going at that speed for 20 minutes until he hit this,
[00:27:41] no one understands how the operator did not issue
[00:27:44] a warning to stop,
[00:27:47] because there is information that the train that was stationary was
[00:27:51] broken, plus the entire system at that moment
[00:27:55] went out of use, so the Spanish authorities
[00:27:59] will have a lot of work until this is cleared up, but also..."
[00:28:02] they will have to uh completely
[00:28:05] reform the system, it seems to me, very quickly, because
[00:28:09] two this year, more than 120 people have
[00:28:12] died mm and that is, one hundred people have died,
[00:28:16] and this is the worst accident since 2013, which means that they will have to
[00:28:20] do much, much more than they are currently
[00:28:23] doing when it comes to this entire situation, uh
[00:28:27] it's easy to come out uh
[00:28:30] Sanchez and say we all uh... um we are sorry,
[00:28:33] but uh, lives cannot be brought back, and one man
[00:28:37] it seems gave permission for this
[00:28:40] to happen, that is the operator who was
[00:28:43] in the control center in Madrid. Until
[00:28:47] the elections in the United States, that is, the midterms,
[00:28:50] there are only, in fact, less than seven days left, and
[00:28:54] Barack Obama is getting involved in the whole story on the side of the Democrats, so
[00:28:58] it will be interesting these last few days, yes it will be absolutely
[00:29:01] interesting. These last few days and what the Democrats are currently
[00:29:05] doing is using Barack Obama, that striking
[00:29:09] force, the one who knows best
[00:29:12] how to articulate things in public, because one
[00:29:15] thing, Barack Obama does not need anyone to write speeches for him, no one
[00:29:19] needs to tell Barack Obama what to say, but what will
[00:29:23] be crucial for the Democrats when the Senate is
[00:29:26] concerned, we currently have four races that are
[00:29:30] very important, Michigan.
[00:29:32] Texas and Kansas, if they win two out of these
[00:29:36] four, that will be extremely good. Michigan, Dr. Abdul
[00:29:40] Alsajed if he beats Mike Rogers, he currently has
[00:29:43] 3%, but that is within the statistical error which was
[00:29:47] 3.5 at CNN.
[00:29:50] And that will be a very big victory, he would become the first Muslim
[00:29:54] senator in the American Senate, but also
[00:29:57] he would give a very strong
[00:30:00] uh presence to Democrats in the Senate. Texas, James Talarico
[00:30:04] against Ken Paxton, currently there is again a 3% difference,
[00:30:08] but Talarico if he wins in Texas, that will
[00:30:12] be the taking over of one of the strongholds
[00:30:15] of the Republicans, that is, Red Texas, turning
[00:30:18] it into Blue Texas, that is, handing it over to the hands
[00:30:22] of the Democrats, Maine, Troy Jackson against Susan Collins,
[00:30:26] Susan Collins, the current senator,
[00:30:30] I think Jackson has a little more chance than her
[00:30:33] to win and this Kansas will be very interesting,
[00:30:37] Adam Hamilton against Roger Marshall, currently tied
[00:30:40] 45-45, but if Hamilton
[00:30:44] wins here in Kansas, it will be the first
[00:30:48] time in almost a hundred years that the Democrats have
[00:30:51] captured that Kansas, however, what will be
[00:30:55] even more important is to see how the other races will play out
[00:30:58] and what we will...