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[00:00:15] because it the race starts in
[00:00:27] The situation in the Middle East is very interesting with the
[00:00:30] Israeli parliamentary
[00:00:32] "I mean, if either of elections, but also we are going to speak about
[00:00:36] Serbia and upcoming elections in the United States
[00:00:39] and from Jerusalem joins me my friend and
[00:00:43] colleague Julian Borger, editor
[00:00:46] and um journalist for The Guardian who's in
[00:00:49] Jerusalem. JB, welcome back to program and
[00:00:52] one. Good to be with you. Um,
[00:00:55] Julian, you're in Jerusalem, we just passed
[00:00:59] the... um parliamentary elections, there is no clear
[00:01:03] winner, we have two blocks, one on the
[00:01:06] opposition side and one on the government side, but
[00:01:10] this is somewhat a neither of them has enough vote
[00:01:13] to uh form a government by itself.
[00:01:17] Arabs will look like kingmakers in this
[00:01:20] situation. What have you learned on
[00:01:24] the ground in Jerusalem and in Israel over the last day or
[00:01:28] two?
[00:01:31] "But yeah, absolutely, that the main sort of takeaway from these elections was the
[00:01:35] very striking turn out by Arab
[00:01:38] Israelis, Palestinians with the Israeli
[00:01:41] citizenship. Uh, they turned up in record
[00:01:45] numbers and now it looks like they are
[00:01:48] heading for
[00:01:51] matter. Let me 18, maybe 19 seats together in 120
[00:01:53] seat Knesset. Uh, that should give them a very
[00:01:57] powerful role. The trouble is you can only be a kingmaker if
[00:02:00] one side or another is prepared to cooperate with you and
[00:02:04] so far neither side, uh
[00:02:07] neither the government nor
[00:02:11] uh the the opposition, the Jewish opposition
[00:02:14] shows much interest in
[00:02:18] uh going into any kind of partnership with the Arab
[00:02:21] Israelis. So this is why we are at
[00:02:24] an impasse. If that wasn't the case,
[00:02:28] it would be clear that the Yahoo's government had fallen if if
[00:02:32] the uh Jewish opposition led by
[00:02:35] Gantz uh a
[00:02:38] retired general was prepared to go into some kind
[00:02:41] of agreement with the Arab Israelis, this would be all over very fast. But
[00:02:45] that's not the case. Uh Julian, you're often
[00:02:49] in the region. How impactful on
[00:02:52] these elections was what was
[00:02:56] happening over the last eight months with um Iran
[00:03:00] war? But also, did this show that
[00:03:03] Arabs finally figured out that they have
[00:03:07] their voice and their role in Israeli political
[00:03:10] life?
[00:03:13] Yeah, I mean, traditionally,
[00:03:17] Arab Israelis have been very ambivalent about voting
[00:03:20] because they don't believe that they will have much
[00:03:23] influence, they believe that the whole system excludes
[00:03:26] them. And they are largely right. And
[00:03:31] since uh proving and really proving it, but they
[00:03:34] have emerged as a major
[00:03:37] force in Israeli politics, but still there are
[00:03:40] no Jewish opposition parties apart from the
[00:03:44] very small Democrats who seem
[00:03:47] open to making a partnership across this racial
[00:03:51] divide.
[00:03:54] Julian, when it comes to Iranian war, how
[00:03:57] impactful uh it was for
[00:04:01] um the vote? Um, it doesn't look
[00:04:04] like people are that much against it, because
[00:04:08] we we still got enough votes with his
[00:04:11] coalition to be, I would say, an
[00:04:14] upper hand at the moment despite
[00:04:17] everything.
[00:04:19] No, absolutely, neither the Iran war nor uh
[00:04:23] Gaza were really part of this campaign because the Jewish
[00:04:27] opposition,
[00:04:30] those wars so it wasn't an
[00:04:32] issue. It was really striking
[00:04:35] actually and little Gaza was
[00:04:38] mentioned. When it comes to Donald
[00:04:41] Trump, uh he said that he helped Bibi
[00:04:45] also played on that card of uh Donald
[00:04:48] Trump. Was that good enough support for him at
[00:04:51] this point?
[00:04:54] It's hard to say um how much it made a difference. I doubt it did.
[00:04:58] The first time that Trump gave his endorsement
[00:05:01] to Netanyahu, it didn't move the dial in terms of
[00:05:05] the, it has been striking in the
[00:05:09] election into the opinion polls and the original exit polls
[00:05:12] showed that they really underestimated uh the
[00:05:16] support for Likud and Netanyahu is performing
[00:05:19] much better than the opinion polls uh before the election
[00:05:22] suggested. What are you hearing on the
[00:05:26] ground uh about um potentiality
[00:05:29] if either of these sides um
[00:05:33] get government, how they will uh
[00:05:37] act when it comes to Gaza, Lebanon,
[00:05:40] and um Iran at the moment?
[00:05:45] these uh major Zionist
[00:05:49] Jewish blocks uh took government, if they're for
[00:05:52] example, able to attract defectors from the other side and form
[00:05:56] some kind of majority government without relying
[00:05:59] on Arab Israelis, then I think it would be fairly unchanged. I mean, if
[00:06:03] the US wants to continuous war with
[00:06:06] Iran, I think both uh blocks will be happy to go
[00:06:10] along. Um, it
[00:06:13] may be that the opposition block would
[00:06:16] be more cooperative with the sort
[00:06:20] of Trump plan for Gaza than this, the Netanyahu
[00:06:23] coalition full of extremists
[00:06:27] who want to completely ethnically
[00:06:31] and settle it.
[00:06:33] So you may have a
[00:06:36] government, if the
[00:06:39] opposition block was able to form
[00:06:43] one that was a little bit more on Gaza
[00:06:46] went along with the Trump plan, let more aid in and
[00:06:50] pursued some form
[00:06:53] of uh some form of peace
[00:06:56] process. Uh, but the the the
[00:06:59] differences are really at the the margins when it comes
[00:07:02] to Gaza, the West Bank and
[00:07:05] Iran. Let's move to um
[00:07:08] story related to this region, you
[00:07:12] reported recently from Belgrade just ahead of parliamentary
[00:07:16] elections. Um, how do you
[00:07:20] see the result of the elections? You're covering this
[00:07:23] region for a long, long time from Milosevic
[00:07:26] to uh today. Were you
[00:07:30] surprised to see Vucic gone
[00:07:32] and accepting his
[00:07:34] defeat so
[00:07:37] easily on the election night?
[00:07:39] Yes, I was. I think that
[00:07:44] the various opinion polls before
[00:07:47] uh suggested that it would be tight, but it's clear that the opinion polls were
[00:07:51] not picking up the kind of undercurrents going on in the
[00:07:55] run up to the elections and in particular it seems like
[00:07:58] the apples underestimated the
[00:08:02] extent to which the the students were able to get out into the villages
[00:08:05] and make a difference in the villages where the rural
[00:08:08] electorate, of course, uh has been a base.
[00:08:12] So, yeah, I was
[00:08:15] uh uh taken by surprise by the degree of the victory
[00:08:19] and uh the fact that it was so clear, Vucic
[00:08:23] had little choice. Um, Julian, in your report from
[00:08:26] Belgrade you wrote about knocking on the
[00:08:28] door. Um, and
[00:08:32] that's a normal tactic in in United Kingdom that politicians
[00:08:36] during campaign are walking around and knocking on the door and
[00:08:40] asking people for their opinion. This was the first
[00:08:42] time that students deployed
[00:08:46] that tactics in Serbia. Was that a determining
[00:08:49] factor in getting people out to vote and to
[00:08:53] understand what is the difference between students
[00:08:55] and
[00:08:59] Vucic? Yeah, I think so. I mean, in canvassing does happen in elections, but I
[00:09:02] think the the students really had
[00:09:05] the uh had the numbers, the number of people to
[00:09:08] really...
[00:09:14] put emphasis on canvassing, on
[00:09:17] canvassing and in a country where the media, I think,
[00:09:21] that was an important factor, the ability to go around
[00:09:25] uh that thangle around state media and
[00:09:29] talk directly to uh thought to
[00:09:33] both have made a big difference.
[00:09:36] Um Julian, let me ask you something
[00:09:39] else. Um when you look at
[00:09:42] Serbia with the new government, do you
[00:09:45] expect anything to change in the future?
[00:09:49] Because as I said, you know Balkans very well over the
[00:09:53] last 30
[00:09:53] years.
[00:10:00] Yeah, I think
[00:10:03] it's really now the team can form a
[00:10:06] working administration, and I think the idea is that they
[00:10:10] will form a government that will agree on first of
[00:10:13] all trying to clean up Serbian politics
[00:10:17] and uh free it from the hold that the
[00:10:21] SNS has had on it for 14 years and then -
[00:10:25] to that go into the big policy debate
[00:10:27] about uh about Bosnia, about Kosovo, about the EU,
[00:10:31] about Russia. Uh, so it's really a big test now in
[00:10:35] this, what is really a political experiment, whether
[00:10:39] they can turn this huge desire
[00:10:42] for change into a functioning alternative
[00:10:46] government? Before I move to United
[00:10:50] States, does this look to you like
[00:10:53] Hungary 2.
[00:10:56] Peter Major second episode
[00:10:59] because he says that he is happy that the Budapest
[00:11:02] Express arrived to Serbia faster by
[00:11:06] politics than by
[00:11:07] rail. Yeah, I
[00:11:10] think
[00:11:13] the students and the opposition took inspiration from Hungary, but
[00:11:17] Serbia is different in that this was an experiment in direct
[00:11:21] democracy. Everything was decided by student plans where...
[00:11:25] and in
[00:11:26] Hungary
[00:11:29] and Tisha were more conventional
[00:11:32] parties. So
[00:11:35] different animal, but it is very much like Hungary
[00:11:39] driven by just weariness of
[00:11:41] an authoritarian
[00:11:43] regime.
[00:11:47] But it is something
[00:11:50] different in that it is an experiment, it
[00:11:54] is an experiment in very real sort of direct
[00:11:57] democracy where uh that decision has to be taken
[00:12:01] by a student plan uh
[00:12:03] and so it is really
[00:12:07] direct democracy. How long that they can keep that going
[00:12:11] when their representatives are in Parliament is another
[00:12:16] ask you this. United States will
[00:12:19] go on mid-term elections on Tuesday.
[00:12:22] You covered the States for a long time as especially during the
[00:12:26] Trump one, and we spoke so many times um during
[00:12:30] that uh his uh first term. What do you
[00:12:33] expect from um midterms?
[00:12:37] Speculation and projections at the moment
[00:12:40] are that the Democrats will take over House, but
[00:12:44] what with the Senate and what he can expect if they
[00:12:47] take at least one of the
[00:12:49] houses?
[00:12:55] Yeah, I mean, the Senate is really up in the air
[00:12:58] whether they can grab majority, but even if the
[00:13:01] Democrats can get both houses, there are limits
[00:13:05] on what they can do with an administration that
[00:13:08] is really trampled roughshod
[00:13:12] over the constitution, will try and
[00:13:15] govern uh without Congress. I mean, in theory,
[00:13:19] Congress has the power of the purse, so to cut off
[00:13:22] funding to government agencies and departments if they're
[00:13:26] doing things that it doesn't like and uh that it is
[00:13:29] legislated against. The question is whether this
[00:13:33] administration uh will pay any heed or find
[00:13:37] ways of channeling money that they once
[00:13:40] spent uh to where they want it spent.
[00:13:42] So,
[00:13:45] uh even if the Democrats have a really good day
[00:13:48] and do you say the extent to which they can rein in what has
[00:13:52] been very much an
[00:13:55] administration with authoritarian tendencies, uh
[00:13:58] is up in the air. Um, your
[00:14:01] newspaper and others reported recently about
[00:14:05] connections between Dodik and Republika Srpska
[00:14:08] and people around Trump and his administration and
[00:14:12] lobbying. Can uh that element of uh
[00:14:15] investigations be
[00:14:18] a major um trouble or major headache
[00:14:21] for him over the next two years if they get the
[00:14:25] House and all those investigation
[00:14:28] powers? Absolutely. I think this would be the one
[00:14:32] power they have. Once they have the House, they have the
[00:14:34] chairmen,
[00:14:39] chairs of the committees, they can start
[00:14:42] to invest all the dirt of what's been
[00:14:46] happening over the last couple of years. Again
[00:14:49] there is a caveat. They can issue subpoenas for members of the
[00:14:52] administration, and the administration can refuse uh
[00:14:56] to respond to them and and turn up and to give
[00:14:59] evidence. So what I think one
[00:15:03] can expect for sure is if the Democrats take
[00:15:06] over one of both the chambers of Congress is there will be
[00:15:10] a succession of constitutional crises
[00:15:14] over the the relative powers of of the branches of the
[00:15:17] government. Um, one more
[00:15:20] question is about Democrats
[00:15:23] themselves. They have...
[00:15:25] so many progressives or as they call
[00:15:28] themselves uh Democrats and
[00:15:30] socialists on their flank. If they
[00:15:34] have a majority or substantial
[00:15:38] number of those in House and in Senate,
[00:15:41] if, for example, wins, could
[00:15:44] that also have uh impact on their
[00:15:47] presidential race in two years,
[00:15:53] a year, it's not in two years. In two years we'll know who
[00:15:57] won this election.
[00:16:00] Yes, it could do. I mean, when it comes to
[00:16:03] choosing presidential candidates, the
[00:16:06] Democrats tend to sort of veer towards the the center,
[00:16:10] try and find a candidate that will
[00:16:13] appeal in the in the Midwest and in the in the South.
[00:16:17] But yeah, as you point out, politics are
[00:16:20] changing in in America and a new
[00:16:22] generation is making its voicing
[00:16:25] spell and more progressive arising to the top of the
[00:16:29] pile. And so it's possible
[00:16:32] you can imagine a progressive
[00:16:35] candidate that...
[00:16:37] like the Republicans have uh for many years
[00:16:41] now depends on the strength of feeling of the
[00:16:44] base, the commitment of debates and their ability to get the
[00:16:48] votes out on election day rather than going
[00:16:51] for something that is more centrist
[00:16:55] but uninspiring to the party base. Julian,
[00:16:59] thank you so very much for this report
[00:17:02] from Jerusalem and thank you for your
[00:17:04] time. The pleasure.
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