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[00:00:11] that antagonized, and I
[00:00:14] don't see that, but something could happen to a part of society, we saw that on that
[00:00:18] election night, uh, when it comes to when it comes to elections in
[00:00:22] Serbia, numerous citizens of Banja Luka came out
[00:00:24] into the streets, although it's been less than
[00:00:27] a month since the elections." We heard messages addressed to Milorad
[00:00:31] Dodik, to the ruling structure,
[00:00:34] uh, so there is that dissatisfaction that was actually
[00:00:38] suppressed during the campaign for the elections in Serbia, but that evening was
[00:00:41] used for people to come out and say what they think.
[00:00:45] Well, a little, look,
[00:00:47] I think Dodik was saved by the fact that his elections were
[00:00:51] before Vučić's, if it had been the other way around, he would
[00:00:55] surely have fared badly. We will see when it comes to the Republic of
[00:00:58] Srpska specifically, how things will. how things will unfold in
[00:01:02] a situation when that entity was ruled by father and son, look, and
[00:01:05] it's all likely that they will rule, then it is possible that
[00:01:08] some some
[00:01:11] different interest, social groups can arise that can lead to
[00:01:15] some things, in any case, that expect, if you ask me
[00:01:18] and you don't ask, I mean expect that
[00:01:21] any government in the Republika Srpska entity and any
[00:01:25] political party only follows that follows the policy from
[00:01:28] Belgrade, that is mine. Yes, but Milorad Dodik, with his messages
[00:01:32] in the campaign a few days before the elections
[00:01:36] in Serbia in Serbian, that is, Belgrade
[00:01:39] media, really destroyed that bridge with
[00:01:42] the new government in Belgrade. What will be the relationship between Belgrade
[00:01:46] and the republic?
[00:01:47] Srpska to act together at the Look, uh, uh, the relationship of any government
[00:01:51] in Belgrade, any government in Belgrade regarding
[00:01:55] key strategic issues at this
[00:01:58] moment in relation to Vučić's. "The government will not significantly change, look, when it comes
[00:02:02] to, say, Republika Srpska,
[00:02:05] the Dayton Peace Agreement, the genocide in Srebrenica,
[00:02:08] the situation in Montenegro, the status of Kosovo,
[00:02:11] is it to be expected that the new government will interfere, say, in
[00:02:15] the elections in Bosnia and Herzegovina, specifically Republika Srpska, as we
[00:02:18] had in previous periods, of course, it was not publicly
[00:02:22] stated, but certainly in gloves, not in that way, not in
[00:02:25] that way, look, look, look, not in that way, we
[00:02:29] are, we are... All of us, all of us generally, and I think
[00:02:32] that's important
[00:02:35] Serbia, uh, in my opinion, with this victory, with this change of government, we
[00:02:37] all, as a region, we all, as a
[00:02:40] region, have conquered a new
[00:02:43] step towards building a more
[00:02:46] normal, more civilized society,
[00:02:49] this is a step forward, it is not radical
[00:02:53] or revolutionary, but believe me, I am deeply convinced
[00:02:57] that, knowing the history of the dynamics of relations, we are moving
[00:03:00] in the right direction, in the right direction, it
[00:03:04] is gradual, but we are moving
[00:03:07] in the right direction, such, such forms
[00:03:10] of interventionism,
[00:03:12] such ideologies as the Serbian world,
[00:03:15] such impositions of will,
[00:03:19] political agendas, national unity,
[00:03:22] symbolic, none of that will be on that form anymore,
[00:03:26] of course, those people are not, will not stop being Serbs, they have not stopped
[00:03:29] being. Serbia, the relationship between Banja Luka and Belgrade
[00:03:32] will not be divided in any
[00:03:36] way, but we have gained
[00:03:39] a greater degree of fairness,
[00:03:43] normality, civilization,
[00:03:46] regardless, regardless of what the moves will be, of course,
[00:03:49] in politics, actions are important, not words,
[00:03:53] actions are important, we will see when their government is formed, what
[00:03:56] our Council of Ministers will actually do, and it will be formed
[00:04:00] at some point, how it will establish relations, whether there will be, say,
[00:04:04] sessions, whether we will initiate, that will now depend on
[00:04:07] our side, because we are totally passive there, whether we will initiate
[00:04:10] a session of the Council of Ministers of Bosnia and Herzegovina and
[00:04:14] the Government
[00:04:16] think that is a basis on of the Republic of Serbia which, instead of it being
[00:04:20] sessions between the Government of the Republic of Serbia and the entity of the Republic of Serbia, will we
[00:04:24] insist, I would insist or suggest to people to
[00:04:27] insist on an interstate agreement on borders
[00:04:30] between Bosnia and Herzegovina and Serbia, that would be the first test, what kind of government it is,
[00:04:34] we will see, let's define the border between the two countries, I mean,
[00:04:38] nice words are nice words, that movement is
[00:04:41] heterogeneous, there are ugly words too, look, it's a heterogeneous
[00:04:44] structure, many people are actually in that whole spectrum, of course, of course,
[00:04:48] but what's important are actually the parts, and that now depends actually on
[00:04:52] the new Council of Ministers on our side, how it will
[00:04:55] position itself towards Belgrade now that
[00:04:59] Vučić is gone, he was an excuse that nothing could be done,
[00:05:03] I mean, well, since we're talking about forming a government, here too
[00:05:06] yes, actually the formation of a government follows very quickly, the CIK has confirmed mandates when it comes to
[00:05:09] that state level. "Uh,
[00:05:13] we will have, as things stand now, an old new government, not, of course,
[00:05:16] this one that we had for the previous four years, but the one we had in some earlier
[00:05:20] period, and what new can we expect from
[00:05:24] the old coalition that actually showed its
[00:05:28] reach, its capacities, and if we take into account that
[00:05:31] those inter-party relations are significantly
[00:05:34] worse than they were 8 or 12
[00:05:37] years ago,
[00:05:41] well, I wouldn't... I don't want to sound pessimistic, I mean
[00:05:45] it's not, it's not fair to, to, to young
[00:05:48] people, I mean, who expect a bright future, they rightly
[00:05:52] expect a bright future, but objectively, from our
[00:05:55] existing actors, look, that now goes back to that
[00:05:58] story about political representation, we
[00:06:01] take actually all the parties that are, all the parties, all of them are not
[00:06:05] important now who is who, look, we actually have one
[00:06:09] very established party... very
[00:06:13] established party oligarchies, one
[00:06:16] group of people at the head, at the head of parties and their satellites
[00:06:20] who hold
[00:06:23] executive power and these parliamentary positions
[00:06:27] that do nothing, they have a lot of money, from those
[00:06:30] structures that have been more or less two or three decades
[00:06:34] here, objectively, it is not to be expected that there will be any
[00:06:38] new moves, what is perhaps
[00:06:40] positive, well, these changes are conditionally, conditionally
[00:06:44] speaking, changes are still changes in the region, so the situation
[00:06:48] in Serbia has changed, that opens up a new space, it opens up space for
[00:06:51] initiative, look, you can now knock on the door of the Serbian government
[00:06:55] and ask, let's define an interstate agreement on
[00:06:58] borders, uh, the situation is more positive in Montenegro,
[00:07:02] that European wind, European actually
[00:07:05] we are now an isolated island that is anti-European
[00:07:09] in the very heart of Europe, that wind is positive.
[00:07:12] Look, we have, we have in the neighborhood a powerful Plenković,
[00:07:16] objectively a powerful European figure who, whether he is at
[00:07:19] the peak of his political career or on the decline, it doesn't matter now, but when it comes
[00:07:23] to Brussels, he can help us a lot, the position
[00:07:26] of the Croatian political factor in Bosnia and Herzegovina after the elections for
[00:07:30] a member of the presidency is significantly more favorable,
[00:07:33] some new possibilities are opening up that were perhaps
[00:07:37] closed with Komšić until now, so these external circumstances, in my opinion,
[00:07:41] are in favor
[00:07:43] of some normal, smart, responsible domestic people, if there
[00:07:47] are any in power, I am not optimistic, that
[00:07:51] some things here here
[00:07:54] will change, meaning our micro-regional environment
[00:07:58] is favorable for this government, regardless of the fact that these are old
[00:08:01] people, it is only expected that someone, that someone starts doing their job, that someone has
[00:08:05] the will to work, Mr. Filandra, thank you very much for your time and this commentary on current topics,
[00:08:09] thank you. Tacir
[00:08:12] Filendra, professor at the Faculty of Political Sciences
[00:10:08] focus in recent days, due to his sharp views on the government in Republika Srpska
[00:10:12] after... political changes in Serbia, but also on the relationship between Banja Luka and Belgrade
[00:10:15] and the possibilities of post-election opposition gathering
[00:10:19] on this side of the Drina, the president of the PDP of Republika
[00:10:22] Srpska, the old new member of parliament in the National Assembly. of Republika Srpska,
[00:10:25] former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Igor Crnadak, is with
[00:10:29] us. Mr. Crnadak, good evening first
[00:10:31] of all. Good evening, greetings to you, greetings
[00:10:34] to the viewers of your television. We will talk
[00:10:37] about developments in Bosnia and Herzegovina, but let's start with what
[00:10:40] is perhaps most important these days in the region. The student list won
[00:10:44] the elections in Serbia. Uh, what do you think will be
[00:10:48] the first concrete consequences of these changes, for example, for Republika
[00:10:52] Srpska?
[00:10:55] "Well, it's too early to say, I can only say that the first
[00:10:59] things I hear, I see, are
[00:11:02] encouraging, so there was a
[00:11:05] big, there was a big, uh,
[00:11:08] dilemma, there was some fear, it was even attempted
[00:11:12] to be instilled that this structure would give up on Republika
[00:11:15] Srpska, that it would simply put it somewhere
[00:11:18] as a last resort, but what we heard
[00:11:22] is that Serbia remains with the Republic. of Srpska, that
[00:11:26] when it comes to the Dayton Agreement, its constitutional and legal
[00:11:29] competencies and all that makes
[00:11:31] it, uh, actually, uh, Republika
[00:11:35] Srpska, will continue to stand by us, that cooperation
[00:11:39] will intensively continue in accordance with the constitution,
[00:11:42] laws and the agreement on special ties in practically all
[00:11:46] segments, so I think that is a very
[00:11:49] important, a very important position at the beginning, the second thing that
[00:11:53] is for me, uh, really... I was extremely happy to hear that,
[00:11:56] uh, I think, for example, that when it comes to the very victory
[00:12:00] of the student list, the only person in, not only Republika
[00:12:04] Srpska, but also Bosnia and Herzegovina, who has the right to completely say that
[00:12:07] it is his victory, who participated in
[00:12:11] it, quite participated, was very directly
[00:12:14] involved, that is, that is Nebojša Vukanović, I think that part,
[00:12:18] uh, of the glory, if I may say so, as
[00:12:21] someone who advocated for months. that
[00:12:25] story should rather belong to him, but also I
[00:12:28] want to say that there is a
[00:12:31] quite large circle of people,
[00:12:34] uh, voters, if you want, ultimately,
[00:12:38] and, uh, people in politics who
[00:12:41] have ideas, who advocate and fight for years
[00:12:44] precisely for those things that the student list
[00:12:47] is talking about today, and that is what is encouraging for me, so
[00:12:50] in the first statement, Mr. Serdanović, the list
[00:12:54] holder. "When asked about Banja Luka,
[00:12:58] Sarajevo, the region, he said one, one
[00:13:01] sentence that I really think is extremely important, he
[00:13:04] said, we will look for, of course, besides the first part that I already
[00:13:08] explained, which concerns Republika Srpska, after that he said: "We will
[00:13:11] look for regional partners, uh,
[00:13:14] therefore - how much congruence
[00:13:17] with, uh, our fundamental social values,
[00:13:21] he cited as main elements..."
[00:13:26] "the rule of law, equality of all before
[00:13:29] the law, freedom of media, attitude towards
[00:13:32] corruption, and I think that is something that everyone who is well-meaning
[00:13:35] in this country should accept and mark as something optimistic
[00:13:39] and something that is in its announcement very, very
[00:13:43] positive, that Milorad Dodik was among the first from Republika Srpska
[00:13:47] to congratulate the students on their victory, how do you
[00:13:49] view that primarily in the context of Dodik's
[00:13:52] participation in the SNS campaign and the ugly
[00:13:56] words expressed in the Belgrade media
[00:13:59] a few days before the elections precisely at the expense of that same
[00:14:03] student list?
[00:14:06] Well, I've talked about it many times, I wouldn't want to repeat it too much,
[00:14:10] and I myself was once a target, and we saw
[00:14:13] many, many others, uh, his
[00:14:17] arrogant behavior,
[00:14:19] completely inappropriate behavior, he is a person
[00:14:23] who has no, no real, so to speak,
[00:14:26] value vertical, he has no, I have a feeling he
[00:14:30] has no thing that he would be ashamed of, so
[00:14:33] it was no problem for him to congratulate the students while he was still,
[00:14:37] it seems to me, in the SNS headquarters, so
[00:14:40] that's, that's simply a phenomenon and I wouldn't spend
[00:14:43] too many words on it, what is, uh, what
[00:14:47] is interesting is that now we will see how things
[00:14:50] will develop between Serbia, us and...
[00:14:52] Because now there is a serious danger that Republika Srpska itself will
[00:14:56] jeopardize these relations, which would not be
[00:15:00] good at all, uh,
[00:15:03] we will see if, uh, people
[00:15:06] from Republika Srpska, i.e., from the leadership of this
[00:15:09] SNSD coalition, have heard, do they understand the messages from
[00:15:13] the other side and we will see how they will enter this
[00:15:17] process of forming a government,
[00:15:20] because we had not only harsh
[00:15:23] words from Dodik towards the students, but... many many others,
[00:15:26] and we will see who will be at the head of parliament,
[00:15:29] we will see who will be ministers in the government, I sincerely
[00:15:32] hope that SNSD will not
[00:15:35] drag us into conflict with the new authorities in Serbia, that
[00:15:39] they will not go into such, uh,
[00:15:42] adventures and such thoughtless things as
[00:15:47] people to important positions who were just yesterday
[00:15:50] spitting on the student list, but
[00:15:53] we will see, that's it, that's all up to them, I think that
[00:15:57] uh that it would be good if all those who
[00:16:01] spoke ill of the student list, their
[00:16:04] representatives, these days, as soon as possible, in... send
[00:16:07] apologies, to repent, to simply not
[00:16:11] be an obstacle to establishing even
[00:16:14] better relations between Republika Srpska and Serbia, that will not
[00:16:17] be possible if people who launched the most disgusting
[00:16:21] attacks against students, now
[00:16:24] insist on being in some important positions in
[00:16:28] Republika Srpska, if they mean well to their people, if they mean well
[00:16:31] to Republika Srpska, uh, that ruling coalition will
[00:16:35] push aside the most aggressive people,
[00:16:39] as someone with long-standing political experience, I want to ask you,
[00:16:43] can the wave of student revolt spread to the surrounding
[00:16:46] areas, for example, to Republika Srpska, or what we
[00:16:50] have seen in the last two years in Serbia, which ultimately
[00:16:53] resulted in that change of government, uh, the removal
[00:16:57] of Aleksandar Vučić, is it related only to that area and to that momentum
[00:17:01] that happened there?
[00:17:04] Of course it can, but it's not that
[00:17:07] simple, first, let's not
[00:17:10] forget the student list and this
[00:17:13] magnificent triumph
[00:17:16] did not happen on the eve of the campaign, it's something that has been going on for
[00:17:19] two years, so you have a serious group, these
[00:17:23] are thousands and thousands of young people who have risen up, who
[00:17:27] have said enough, who
[00:17:30] have started to,
[00:17:33] uh, to crisscross
[00:17:35] the Republic of Serbia. Uh, from
[00:17:39] Vranje to Subotica,
[00:17:43] with various performances, various events, gatherings,
[00:17:46] big, uh, big events, like the one on
[00:17:50] March 15th, traveling to Strasbourg, to
[00:17:53] Brussels, attracting attention in various ways, motivating
[00:17:56] people, mobilizing
[00:17:58] people, various actions, so all of that lasted
[00:18:02] for two years, and the result of that was this, uh,
[00:18:06] student list, so... So, that's how it can be
[00:18:09] done, for it to fall now from the sky and just because it happened in
[00:18:13] Serbia, it happens here too, that unfortunately doesn't work that way, it can't
[00:18:17] work that way, but what is, for me,
[00:18:20] really encouraging, that's what I
[00:18:24] sincerely believe, you can see and
[00:18:28] feel and hear, that, uh, that kind
[00:18:31] of change when it comes to topics like
[00:18:34] justice, freedom, the desire for those who
[00:18:38] stole from the people to be held accountable, the desire for those who were
[00:18:41] arrogant, who abused their subordinates,
[00:18:44] who abused power,
[00:18:47] to be held accountable, you have that here too, you definitely have that
[00:18:51] here too, and I expect that
[00:18:54] that domino effect will happen, it will surely happen, it's just
[00:18:58] a matter of time and method, but well, I wouldn't
[00:19:01] go into that any more at this moment,
[00:19:05] because, uh, I am convinced that... it feels
[00:19:08] that after this uncovering in the previous
[00:19:12] period in Republika Srpska where we saw that
[00:19:15] simply uh you didn't have a clear
[00:19:19] picture of who was in power and who was the alternative, not to use the word
[00:19:23] opposition anymore, I think that is slowly crystallizing, that
[00:19:27] from that one political swamp in Republika
[00:19:30] Srpska, an articulated force will emerge
[00:19:34] that will be, uh,
[00:19:36] an alternative. that will finally remove
[00:19:39] the SNSD regime, yes, but young people came out, and
[00:19:43] not just young people, there were people of different ages on
[00:19:47] Sunday evening on the streets of Banja Luka, some
[00:19:50] said, Mile, you are next, uh,
[00:19:53] you said Banja Luka is next, when you say Banja Luka,
[00:19:57] who exactly do you mean, whether local or just
[00:20:00] government, at the level of Republika
[00:20:02] Srpska,
[00:20:05] well, I was at that, at that. of course, and -
[00:20:09] yes, that was one of the most common chants,
[00:20:12] Mile, you are next, I think that people have shown
[00:20:16] that they somehow feel that after all
[00:20:20] those events that have been happening since August 30th and the departure
[00:20:23] of Milo Đukanović, through what is now the latest
[00:20:27] departure, uh, of Orban and the collapse of power
[00:20:31] in Serbia, they somehow feel that that
[00:20:34] one, uh... "the autocracy we have
[00:20:38] here is actually the longest-lived, because
[00:20:41] it, it, well, has reached 20
[00:20:44] years, it must end, because people, the way
[00:20:47] institutions are captured here, the way
[00:20:51] public RTV service
[00:20:54] sows hatred, the way it
[00:20:57] is a factory of lies, the way it is, uh,
[00:21:01] a cancerous tissue in Republika Srpska, that is,
[00:21:05] that is unsustainable, these are simply things that
[00:21:08] must be stopped and you can see in people
[00:21:11] that they expect that to happen,
[00:21:15] it's just a question of when and how, for example, because of that,
[00:21:19] I believe... "that positive effects will come from
[00:21:22] Serbia because uh on
[00:21:26] those value bases they are talking about now, if
[00:21:29] they continue that way, it will be something that will have to spill over
[00:21:33] here, because they simply will not
[00:21:36] imagine what they could talk about today,
[00:21:40] for example, this new victorious
[00:21:43] student list with the government in Banja Luka, I
[00:21:46] don't see a single common topic they have. except
[00:21:50] the Dayton Agreement and the need to protect
[00:21:53] Republika Srpska in that Dayton sense,
[00:21:56] everything else regarding the functioning of institutions,
[00:22:00] uh, issues of freedom, issues of justice, issues
[00:22:03] of legality, issues of corruption,
[00:22:07] there are no, there are no common topics, so, uh,
[00:22:10] simply that context will create, I'm sure,
[00:22:14] conditions for change here too, yes, but you say when and
[00:22:17] how, that is a question that will certainly... who
[00:22:20] uh which arises on its own, even if some revolt
[00:22:24] and wave of dissatisfaction occur, there are two years until local,
[00:22:27] four years until general elections, would such
[00:22:31] a revolt actually be a shot
[00:22:32] in the dark?
[00:22:35] We will see, I don't want to say anything in advance, uh, some
[00:22:38] things I know, I wouldn't want to reveal them so as not to jeopardize what
[00:22:42] follows, on the other hand, we must
[00:22:45] also consider the possibility of having
[00:22:49] early elections. "Because, to be honest, I,
[00:22:52] for the third time in a row, received support from the citizens of Republika
[00:22:56] Srpska to be a member of parliament, and I am ready to return
[00:23:00] my mandate tomorrow if we go to new elections, I think
[00:23:04] that, for example, uh, realistically speaking, now when
[00:23:07] you see how much influence Serbia had on the elections
[00:23:10] uh in Republika Srpska, how much
[00:23:13] uh all parties in power were directly
[00:23:16] connected there, all parties in power had their patrons
[00:23:20] in in
[00:23:25] in what way
[00:23:28] did it even happen that the opposition had two candidates for the presidency, in what
[00:23:31] way did it happen that Branko Blanuša was completely
[00:23:34] discredited until election day, I think
[00:23:38] when all that is considered, it would now be fairest for the
[00:23:41] new President of the Republic to dissolve the National Assembly
[00:23:45] and call new elections when he takes
[00:23:48] office, i.e., to dissolve new elections, but
[00:23:52] no, I don't believe the government is ready for that, it could happen that
[00:23:56] a kind of pressure, a serious
[00:23:59] pressure, for us to achieve the liberation of our
[00:24:03] institutions, for us to breathe again, that it might create
[00:24:07] conditions for that, so we will see, I wouldn't be
[00:24:10] so sure that we will wait four years for changes here, and
[00:24:14] local elections will go according to their own
[00:24:18] dynamics, and you could already see, uh,
[00:24:21] well, I won't even go there so as not to spoil some conversations that
[00:24:25] are already in progress, I won't reveal too
[00:24:28] much there either, but you already saw the results in Banja Luka hinted
[00:24:32] that there is a strong core, a serious,
[00:24:36] serious uh structure
[00:24:39] that can be
[00:24:42] precisely that, that one change, a value change,
[00:24:46] to change the philosophy of governance, to change the way
[00:24:50] of thinking that, uh... that you actually don't rule in a way that you bring yourself
[00:24:53] benefits, but you are, if you want to do good for your people, some kind
[00:24:57] of servant to the people, and
[00:25:01] I, I, I I feel, I am convinced, that is my
[00:25:04] personal opinion now, that things in the Republic of Srpska will go in that direction, in that
[00:25:08] way, but we'll see, I think we shouldn't, as our
[00:25:12] people say, rush things, a big change has happened, a major
[00:25:16] change, and we need to give some time for events.
[00:25:20] that will follow, to do their part, yes, but for any change,
[00:25:23] a united opposition is necessary. You say you expect
[00:25:26] opposition members from the Republic of Srpska to say who
[00:25:29] is truly ready for changes. Did you
[00:25:32] get an answer to this question relatively recently, say less than
[00:25:36] a month ago when there were elections in the Republic of Srpska? We saw how
[00:25:40] unfortunately the opposition performed.
[00:25:44] The opposition is mostly to blame for having such a result, even though the
[00:25:48] government had enormous. enormous amounts of dirty money, even though
[00:25:52] the pressure on public sector employees was unprecedented and
[00:25:55] terrifying, but the greatest responsibility still lies with the opposition. I said
[00:25:59] that before and I'm saying it now. How will the...
[00:26:03] It will go in two phases, in my opinion. One phase is to first see who the
[00:26:06] opposition is at all, and the second phase is those who
[00:26:10] are the opposition, or rather I would use the term
[00:26:13] alternative more, because the opposition can be someone who wants to
[00:26:17] remove the government to do the same thing the government is doing, they can be
[00:26:21] the opposition, but we need to use the term
[00:26:24] alternative, because that indicates
[00:26:27] that you are committed to values which are actually, here, the values
[00:26:31] that the student list talks about,
[00:26:34] uh, that in that way you want to change the way
[00:26:38] of governing in the Republic of Srpska, that's it, because if you
[00:26:41] have, uh, if you have one of the
[00:26:44] key officials and the main
[00:26:47] candidate, who sits with Milorad
[00:26:51] Dodik, makes agreements, about money, about I don't know what
[00:26:54] else, how can you, how can you
[00:26:58] simply, how do you expect to be able to create a serious,
[00:27:02] compact, opposition and alternative story with such people,
[00:27:05] if you have another
[00:27:08] official who in the middle of
[00:27:10] Banja Luka, in the middle of the campaign 15 days before the elections
[00:27:14] has lunch with Igor Dodik, what kind of
[00:27:17] message is that? So, we have to, we'll see how the
[00:27:20] voting for the House of
[00:27:23] Peoples goes and we'll see how the formation of government
[00:27:27] in Sarajevo in Banja Luka goes. I think after all that we will have a clear
[00:27:31] picture of who that core of that alternative
[00:27:34] is, on the basis of which people and
[00:27:37] which policies that alternative for
[00:27:41] the Republic of Srpska will gather around, let's say. Yes, since you're
[00:27:44] mentioning the formation of government, Milorad Dodik offered the opposition from the Republic of
[00:27:50] level of Bosnia and Herzegovina. From
[00:27:53] certain opposition structures, uh,
[00:27:57] they view that offer positively. What is your opinion on all
[00:28:00] that?
[00:28:04] "Well, you know my opinion, I will repeat it once more, both I personally
[00:28:08] and the PDP of the Republic of Srpska, will certainly not
[00:28:11] participate in such things, and if
[00:28:14] anything has shown us what happened in
[00:28:18] Serbia, then it is that finally
[00:28:22] everyone here needs to understand, with the regime you can only pursue a
[00:28:25] policy of either us or them, if you don't make
[00:28:29] a big, big kind of
[00:28:32] uh..." "No changes, it's not possible, it was seen,
[00:28:35] it's not possible on the principle of cooperation,
[00:28:38] common plans, common projects, common
[00:28:41] embraces, with a regime that has already for 20 years here
[00:28:46] entrenched its roots in all institutions as deeply
[00:28:49] as possible, there are no negotiations there. So, uh,
[00:28:53] that is a matter that I hope now, I hope it is
[00:28:57] clear to everyone now, and that's why it's very important that
[00:29:00] uh that..." "simply that kind of line
[00:29:04] is drawn so that
[00:29:06] on that, on that somewhat clear division which is not
[00:29:10] artificial, we know exactly
[00:29:13] all this that we are talking about when it
[00:29:16] comes to the functioning of the system, when it comes to
[00:29:19] an incredible corruption, an
[00:29:22] incredible occupation, party dominance over
[00:29:26] institutions, that it is something that can no longer be tolerated here, something that
[00:29:30] must lead to changes, so..." Uh,
[00:29:34] it is primarily important that
[00:29:37] the people who will be performing, who
[00:29:40] will be leading that, that process of change,
[00:29:44] regardless of whether they are people you already
[00:29:47] know who are already active or there will be some completely new people, I
[00:29:51] hope there will be as many as possible, but that they
[00:29:55] repeat exactly the same story, it is
[00:29:58] a story about governing through institutions, it is a story about...
[00:30:03] uh the need to end corruption, it is
[00:30:06] a story about the fact that the money that until now in hundreds of millions
[00:30:10] went towards corruption, should be
[00:30:13] used to improve the living standard of all citizens. I
[00:30:18] which we need to work and finally I want to
[00:30:21] ask you one more thing, at the United Nations Security Council
[00:30:25] tomorrow the OHR report will be read which contains a series of criticisms
[00:30:28] against the authorities in the Republic of Srpska.
[00:30:32] "Do you think lobbying in Washington will succeed in amortizing
[00:30:36] the messages of Louis
[00:30:37] Krishuk?"
[00:30:41] I'm not very optimistic, it made more sense to me that if they already have some
[00:30:44] influence, they would have done it by now, but look, two
[00:30:48] days, already two full days they are
[00:30:51] silent, uh, isn't it illogical
[00:30:54] precisely the report written by an
[00:30:58] American.