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[00:00:36] the Historical Museum of Bosnia and Herzegovina, the audience has the opportunity
[00:00:39] to see the exhibition of Italian photojournalist Mario
[00:00:42] Boccia, Sarajevo 92-96.
[00:00:46] The longest siege. The exhibition is part of his multi-year
[00:00:49] effort to bring the experience of Sarajevo citizens during the siege closer
[00:00:53] through photography and open space for discussion about
[00:00:56] the past, but also messages for the future.
[00:01:00] The exhibition, through about fifty authentic black and white photographs, brings
[00:01:04] testimony about the daily life of the city under siege. The author, instead of scenes
[00:01:08] of destruction and death, focuses on people and
[00:01:11] life. When you look at these photographs on the wall, I must
[00:01:15] tell you that these are photographs that no newspaper wanted to publish
[00:01:18] because, according to them, it was not dramatic enough. And I was actually touched
[00:01:22] by the fact that children manage to smile in such terrible moments. This is
[00:01:26] proof that life and the desire for life are much stronger than war.
[00:01:29] The Historical Museum of Bosnia and Herzegovina has been collecting and preserving photographs
[00:01:33] and documents about the siege of Sarajevo for years, and part of that material is also presented through
[00:01:36] the permanent exhibition "Besieged Sarajevo." It is a process that continues
[00:01:40] today, because we believe it is very important to show such
[00:01:43] photographs to new generations again and again, not only to
[00:01:47] teach them about what happened, but also to somehow
[00:01:50] prepare them to think about the future, to
[00:01:53] know what war is and how bad it is
[00:01:57] for new generations. Mario does this... persistently
[00:02:01] and with hundreds or thousands of young people in Italy. That is,
[00:02:04] for example, one of his differences compared to other photojournalists
[00:02:08] who were war photographers here. His
[00:02:12] photographs today travel, meeting newer generations with
[00:02:15] the story of the city, its people, and life during the war
[00:02:18] years. This is already the third round of these
[00:02:22] exhibitions, I started in Belgrade. The first exhibition was set up in Belgrade
[00:02:26] and I must tell you that the students, young people, were very shaken when they
[00:02:29] saw the photographs. I think it is primarily a political act, not just
[00:02:33] historical. Mario Boccia has been a friend of the museum for
[00:02:36] many years and he has donated a large part of his photographs to the archive
[00:02:40] of the Historical Museum of Bosnia and Herzegovina, thereby enriching
[00:02:43] our photo collection with photographs that bear witness to
[00:02:47] daily life, to civil resistance,
[00:02:50] of citizens, children about whom he
[00:02:52] talks a lot and whom he photographed a lot
[00:02:56] during the siege, recording what historical data often cannot
[00:03:00] convey: wartime everyday life, life under siege, fears, but
[00:03:03] also the ways in which people tried to preserve life and its usual
[00:03:07] flows despite wartime circumstances. Boccia proves to us again and again how
[00:03:11] important photography can be in preserving memory. Amila
[00:03:14] Mrkonja, N1,
[00:03:16] Sarajevo.
[00:05:22] decades knocking on heaven's door. On Wednesday, the doors of
[00:05:25] the Vatican opened, where the Nobel laureate had a private
[00:05:28] conversation with Pope Leo, Reuters reported. Photographs
[00:05:32] of the meeting between the Pope and Dylan were published by Vatican
[00:05:35] media, and what attracted the attention of many was Dylan's
[00:05:39] appearance. He came in a black
[00:05:43] hoodie, and black
[00:05:44] gloves.
[00:17:27] after the October elections in which SDA and SDP won an equal
[00:17:31] number of mandates, questions were raised about the future government in Sarajevo
[00:17:34] Canton, possible coalitions at higher levels, and... and the responsibility
[00:17:38] of the SDP for the election result and upcoming internal party changes.
[00:17:41] With Davor Čičić, a representative in the Sarajevo Canton Assembly,
[00:17:45] we discuss who has the majority today, can Sarajevo get a new
[00:17:48] government, are SDA and SDP getting closer at higher
[00:17:52] levels, and what future awaits SDP. Good day first of all, welcome, good day to you
[00:17:55] and to all our viewers who are watching us. Before we move on to these
[00:17:59] uh political topics from the announcement, I would like to
[00:18:02] go back a little to this report from today's protest
[00:18:06] in front of the government. In Sarajevo, is there money in
[00:18:09] the cantonal budget for the increase in salaries
[00:18:26] uh these, so to speak, these negotiations and these today's
[00:18:30] protests regarding healthcare workers in Sarajevo
[00:18:33] Canton, we as SDP absolutely support all the rights
[00:18:36] of the union and... they express their opinion and I think that in
[00:18:39] the past period, while we were in power, uh
[00:18:43] we tried to be a good partner to all unions, not only
[00:18:47] healthcare unions but all other unions in Sarajevo Canton and I think we will
[00:18:50] continue mm in that direction. Also,
[00:18:54] for the sake of truth, for the sake of truth, let's go back
[00:18:57] a little and we must understand that in this
[00:19:00] mandate in which we were in power, the salaries
[00:19:03] of healthcare workers, in this specific case, it was the period in which
[00:19:07] healthcare workers' salaries grew the most, yes, but it is obvious that there were some
[00:19:11] discrepancies that caused this dissatisfaction,
[00:19:13] 50%, the basic salary increased in the past
[00:19:16] four years, of course there will be people who will say prices have also increased,
[00:19:20] inflation has increased, but when you take some cumulative inflation
[00:19:24] for this period mm and compare how much salaries have increased,
[00:19:27] salaries have still increased more than that
[00:19:30] cumulative inflation. I think that is positive, that we need to strengthen
[00:19:34] our healthcare sector. Look at the salaries of our healthcare
[00:19:37] workers in Sarajevo Canton compared to other cantons and compared to other
[00:19:41] mm the entire BiH, you can
[00:19:45] see the direction in which the SDP led this
[00:19:48] ministry and I think that Enis Hasanović as minister and the previous
[00:19:51] minister Haris Vranić did a very good job in the
[00:19:55] Ministry of Health. Now, uh, this, this is
[00:19:58] a union, a union of healthcare workers who went out to protest. We need to
[00:20:02] know that in the canton we have several unions representing
[00:20:06] healthcare workers. This happened
[00:20:09] probably because, I think, probably, that's what union
[00:20:12] representatives say, because one union got one increase,
[00:20:16] and the other didn't. I think that's the cause. Whenever more
[00:20:20] unions negotiate, one always gets more, there will always be reasons for
[00:20:24] another union to complain that they haven't achieved all
[00:20:27] their rights. Maybe the right way is to unite those unions and then
[00:20:31] negotiate all together about all the rights of all healthcare workers, because obviously
[00:20:34] this way someone will always be, so to speak...
[00:20:37] dissatisfied. Is there money? The salaries of healthcare workers
[00:20:41] in Sarajevo Canton are paid from the Health Insurance
[00:20:44] Institute. That is perhaps a question more for the
[00:20:47] director of the Health Insurance Institute, but... "I think these
[00:20:51] union demands should be taken seriously and we should try to find some compromise,
[00:20:55] try to talk to the unions and find
[00:20:58] a method to somehow meet them halfway so that
[00:21:01] people are at least somewhat satisfied, because, as I said, it's hard
[00:21:05] to meet everyone halfway so that everyone is 100% satisfied, but
[00:21:08] given all these developments,
[00:21:11] uh, I think we should talk and try
[00:21:14] to find some common ground. This new
[00:21:18] government that is being announced will certainly have a lot of work
[00:21:22] to do and this task certainly awaits them. Definitely. Faruk Kapidžić from
[00:21:25] SDA says today, I will be the prime minister of Sarajevo Canton and
[00:21:29] we have problems to solve with water. These water problems somehow
[00:21:32] surfaced right during the election campaign and have lasted
[00:21:36] quite long. Something that
[00:21:39] it seems the previous government, of which you were a part, did not
[00:21:42] deal with. Uh, it caught up with you at the very
[00:21:46] end. Well, let me comment on that...
[00:21:50] "In a way, perhaps the situation in the utility sector is something that
[00:21:54] decided that the 'trojka' would not be the absolute winner of these elections in this
[00:21:57] cycle. I mean, when we all talk, we have to admit where we made
[00:22:01] mistakes, not just where we did things
[00:22:04] well. But in any case, I want to,
[00:22:08] if you give me space, to highlight the SDP's result in
[00:22:12] Sarajevo Canton. We were in power, as you say, we went from six representatives
[00:22:16] to nine representative seats, and also in
[00:22:19] the Federation. As for Sarajevo Canton, from this electoral unit, we went from two to
[00:22:23] three and defended our mandate. Is the coalition capacity what
[00:22:27] it is? Yes, it is what it is, that is also the truth, and I would like to take this
[00:22:30] opportunity to thank all the people who voted for
[00:22:34] the SDP in Sarajevo Canton, I say, and all our members
[00:22:38] and sympathizers and all those who on the ground influenced and worked for
[00:22:42] the SDP Sarajevo to achieve such a result and
[00:22:45] it is certainly, I want to tell you, the result of people who
[00:22:48] recognized the work of this... SDP in Sarajevo Canton, to
[00:22:52] get 50%, so to speak, more mandates in
[00:22:55] the period after you were in power, is really a great
[00:22:59] success, such cases rarely happen, so
[00:23:02] I say, we cannot look at everything negatively, we mm conducted
[00:23:06] a dignified campaign, I am very proud of the SDP Sarajevo for that
[00:23:09] campaign, which, we only talked about work, about everything we did
[00:23:12] and what we achieved, we did not engage in slandering and
[00:23:16] insulting others, which they did
[00:23:20] through all possible channels that were available to them against us
[00:23:23] and that's why I'm even more proud and this
[00:23:27] result, in my opinion, makes it even better and even greater. Were there mistakes?
[00:23:30] Yes, in the coalition, in everything, we must draw conclusions
[00:23:34] from what the citizens told us and in the future
[00:23:38] try to improve those things, of course,
[00:23:41] the result would certainly be much better for us and the coalition
[00:23:45] if those things, uh, especially regarding public
[00:23:49] utilities, were better than they are. I will return to this
[00:23:52] message from Faruk Kapidžić who says he will be prime minister. Some claim that
[00:23:56] the government in the canton can be formed quickly. You say that there could
[00:23:59] be blockades in that process. If a majority
[00:24:02] exists, uh, what is actually the problem with forming
[00:24:06] the government? Uh, I don't know what
[00:24:09] the nervousness of these ruling, so to speak, this
[00:24:12] majority is. They are not yet ruling, but here, this
[00:24:15] majority that came out themselves and said they have 18 hands,
[00:24:19] meaning... the election results, the constitution and law, the assembly's rules of procedure
[00:24:23] state that whoever has a majority of representatives can form
[00:24:27] a government. That is democracy. We
[00:24:29] respect that.
[00:24:32] We respect that and in any case, we congratulate them on that result and
[00:24:35] we want them to take over power as soon as possible to show
[00:24:39] everything they know and everything they talked about in the campaign, all that
[00:24:43] negative, so to speak, campaign that went against the troika, what they
[00:24:46] criticized, to show how they can do it better from that side. "Here,
[00:24:50] I say, I would like them to take over responsibility as soon as possible, not just the talk
[00:24:54] they've been doing for the past four years. On the other hand, what
[00:24:57] you are pointing out, also the election result, the constitution and
[00:25:00] the laws of this country state that the SDP and the
[00:25:04] parties of the 'troika' will have a majority in the leadership of the Sarajevo Canton Assembly,
[00:25:08] specifically in three clubs out of four
[00:25:11] clubs of the people.
[00:25:13] The parties of the 'troika', primarily the SDP, will have
[00:25:17] a majority and will be able to elect their members to the assembly leadership.
[00:25:21] Now, what happens next? First, when the assembly is established,
[00:25:24] when the assembly is formed, when the representatives take their oath,
[00:25:28] and take over their mandates, the first thing that is done according
[00:25:31] to the constitution, not only of Sarajevo Canton, but the constitution of the federation, is the establishment of clubs
[00:25:35] of the people in
[00:25:37] the assembly. These clubs of the people, based on the number of people
[00:25:41] elected to those clubs of the people, choose
[00:25:44] and decide who will be in the assembly leadership, who will represent those people in
[00:25:48] the assembly leadership. "Mm, after that, when
[00:25:52] those are elected by the clubs of the people, it goes to the assembly for confirmation, meaning
[00:25:55] that majority of 18 representatives must
[00:25:58] confirm these four members of the assembly leadership."
[00:26:01] That's the key, that's where the first, first blockade occurs.
[00:26:05] In case this majority that has
[00:26:08] presented itself does not confirm the assembly leadership, then we come to a
[00:26:12] blockade of the assembly, a paralysis of the assembly. Can the process be returned to
[00:26:15] the beginning or uh, when we talk about
[00:26:19] the election of the assembly leadership within, why would it return,
[00:26:22] the clubs of the people, which is their constitutional right, decide who will be
[00:26:26] their representative, why would the process go back, why
[00:26:30] can some majority influence the will of the clubs of the people when
[00:26:33] they should represent the assembly leadership. So, we
[00:26:37] respect the majority of representatives they have in the Sarajevo Canton Assembly,
[00:26:41] and similarly, uh, the election
[00:26:44] result which says that SDP, together with its
[00:26:47] partners from the 'troika' parties, has a majority in the assembly leadership,
[00:26:51] I don't know what the big nervousness is about and why it's
[00:26:54] so uh problematic that
[00:26:58] further, if that assembly leadership
[00:27:01] is not confirmed, then paralysis and blockade of the assembly occurs. This
[00:27:04] further prevents the further source of that new Sarajevo Canton government,
[00:27:08] and also prevents the election
[00:27:11] of delegates to the House of Peoples of the Federation of Bosnia and
[00:27:14] Herzegovina. Last night I heard a dangerous thing that
[00:27:18] Mr. Efendić said on a
[00:27:22] portal, which was, "We will block it, we don't like
[00:27:25] that assembly leadership." First, who is the president of the party to like
[00:27:28] who those people from those clubs of
[00:27:32] people generally chose as their representative? So if, does
[00:27:35] that now mean that party representatives should choose who those clubs of people will choose?
[00:27:39] And the second thing he said was, "Well, we will then block it, we won't
[00:27:42] elect that assembly leadership," meaning they will block the canton,
[00:27:45] they will block the election of their new government,
[00:27:48] they will block everything that happens in the canton, even
[00:27:51] budgets, mm, all so that they wouldn't
[00:27:55] elect delegates to the House of Peoples of the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina from
[00:27:58] Sarajevo Canton. You know what that means, that for the first time...
[00:28:03] Uh, well, let me put it this way, in the history since the establishment of the canton, Sarajevo
[00:28:06] Canton would not have its representatives in the House of Peoples
[00:28:09] of the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, because then, after the expiry of
[00:28:13] 30 days, representatives from other cantons would be elected.
[00:28:17] So, what are they willing to do to get their
[00:28:21] seats, their positions, not to elect representatives of the citizens of Sarajevo Canton from Sarajevo Canton
[00:28:24] to the House of Peoples of the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, but
[00:28:27] here, let me just say one more thing.
[00:28:31] kažem znači.
[00:28:34] And Mr. Efendić does not know the constitution of the Federation of Bosnia and
[00:28:37] Herzegovina. Read Article Eight of the Constitution of the Federation of Bosnia
[00:28:41] and Herzegovina, which clearly states that from every canton, at least
[00:28:45] one member, minimally one member
[00:28:48] of Bosniaks, Serbs, Croats, and others must be elected, if that person is elected
[00:28:51] to the Sarajevo Canton Assembly. So, with that blockade, he
[00:28:54] will gain nothing, it will fall, meaning some House of
[00:28:58] Peoples will be formed up there without representatives from Sarajevo
[00:29:01] Canton, and the first appeal to the Constitutional Court, that House of Peoples that was
[00:29:04] formed will fall at the Constitutional Court, and you know what happens next?
[00:29:08] This means that neither a federal government can be formed,
[00:29:12] this federal government will remain in a technical mandate until those issues are
[00:29:15] resolved, but I believe that such an approach is very dangerous,
[00:29:19] meaning undermining the constitution and
[00:29:21] the will of the people who
[00:29:25] by that constitution gained the right to elect their representatives,
[00:29:28] but let's hypothetically assume that uh the assembly confirms.
[00:29:32] So, those who are elected by the clubs of the people
[00:29:35] in the Sarajevo Canton Assembly, how does the
[00:29:38] procedure then go, who actually proposes the mandatary,
[00:29:42] the mandatary, so when those four in
[00:29:45] the assembly leadership are elected, they decide among themselves who will be the chairman
[00:29:48] by consensus or uh, it says in the constitution
[00:29:51] they decide, so it doesn't say by consensus, meaning whoever has the majority
[00:29:55] will elect one of those four will elect
[00:29:58] mm the president, or the new chairman of the Canton Assembly,
[00:30:02] and that chairman of the Canton Assembly
[00:30:05] of Sarajevo mm should give
[00:30:09] the mandate, with consultations with other
[00:30:12] members of that leadership, to whoever brings 18
[00:30:15] signatures of representatives, that is, the majority that
[00:30:19] proves those signatures to prove they have a majority in
[00:30:23] the Sarajevo Canton Assembly, in this case those three clubs
[00:30:26] of representatives who have now come out saying they have those 18
[00:30:30] votes. So... the Constitution clearly
[00:30:33] also states, meaning
[00:30:36] the chairman gives the mandate to the mandatary with
[00:30:39] consultations with his
[00:30:42] deputies, that's what it says, period, it says nothing
[00:30:46] more, also in the assembly's rules of procedure, but you know what that means, those
[00:30:50] consultations, what do consultations mean?