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[00:00:00] fully, but it shows certain trends that
[00:00:03] they started washing their hands of him and apologizing for
[00:00:07] everything they did, but something that is very interesting, Maggie
[00:00:10] Haberman, who recently wrote a book with Jonathan Swan
[00:00:13] called "Regime Change," regime change, which
[00:00:17] describes the first year of Trump's mandate and what
[00:00:21] I think not only in Croatia but in happened at the beginning of uh this war
[00:00:24] with Iran, says that the moment
[00:00:28] Benjamin Netanyahu came to the White House in the situation
[00:00:31] room, dessation room, mm, and when he
[00:00:35] presented mm the idea of how to go to this
[00:00:38] war, he says the head of the CIA, the head of the State
[00:00:42] Department, uh numerous other
[00:00:45] advisors, including military
[00:00:48] segments from the Pentagon, simply said, "No, what
[00:00:52] he is presenting to you, this idea that he is presenting to you, this will not work.
[00:00:56] This will not go well." However, for some reason, Trump decided to go
[00:01:00] with Benjamin Netanyahu's idea and he went into all of this,
[00:01:04] holidays there, or they go to into what he went, and now we have the whole situation that
[00:01:07] we have. Mhm, uh, what can happen,
[00:01:10] say - finish, finish,
[00:01:13] I had a comment, never mind, just finish. What can happen, you
[00:01:16] said, what can happen is
[00:01:20] that, even those who
[00:01:23] were sure within the Republican party,
[00:01:26] candidates he supported, but also candidates he didn't
[00:01:30] support, lose elections precisely because of what
[00:01:34] Carlson and others are saying, who have now started washing
[00:01:37] their hands of him, and then the situation will be much, much harder for Republicans than
[00:01:41] they expect at this moment, even in those
[00:01:44] federal states that were not red,
[00:01:48] but ultra-red, to now turn purple
[00:01:52] or blue, meaning to fall into the hands of Democrats.
[00:01:55] Esmir, now, while we were talking,
[00:01:59] footage from Gaza was playing.
[00:02:02] The example is, or rather, the ceasefire has been in effect since October
[00:02:06] of last year. However, Israel has violated
[00:02:09] that ceasefire and agreements
[00:02:12] dozens and hundreds of times. In recent
[00:02:15] days, we have witnessed new attacks, new
[00:02:19] civilian casualties,
[00:02:20] African continent, where renewed shelling of tent settlements,
[00:02:23] refugee camps, a war that has been going on
[00:02:26] for three and a half years. What... what I
[00:02:30] what I'm interested in uh
[00:02:33] pardon, not three and a half years, I misspoke,
[00:02:37] two and a half years. Uh, what I'm
[00:02:40] interested in,
[00:02:43] uh, can this agreement with Iran, since the war with
[00:02:47] Iran is certainly part of this broader story that it falls into, which
[00:02:52] comments, and even in a way started with the war against Gaza, all those conflicts in the
[00:02:54] Middle East that arose from it, especially if we consider that
[00:02:58] Iran. Hamas, Hezbollah, then the Houthis in Yemen
[00:03:02] are part of that axis of resistance. Um,
[00:03:05] do you think that, whatever the outcome of this war against Iran,
[00:03:09] somewhere there will be room
[00:03:12] to, in a way, regulate the situation in
[00:03:15] Gaza, and then in Lebanon? Let's not forget that
[00:03:18] part either.
[00:03:21] you know, we all And Lebanon is another uh thing, Lebanon will be a little
[00:03:25] harder to resolve when it comes to Gaza. Gaza is at this
[00:03:28] moment a victim of um domestic politics in
[00:03:32] Israel and the struggle for power
[00:03:36] between Netanyahu and his right-wing coalition and the opposition.
[00:03:40] Elections are on October 27th.
[00:03:42] Um, in those elections, Benjamin Netanyahu
[00:03:45] is trying to survive politically, on the
[00:03:49] other hand, uh, we are waiting to see what the
[00:03:52] opposition will do, because, for example, Gadi
[00:03:54] July is at Eisenkot, a former general, former chief of staff who
[00:03:58] leads the opposition, or rather the strongest
[00:04:00] in the opposition, it seems to me, is sending some messages that he
[00:04:03] might be willing to discuss a certain solution.
[00:04:07] However, we heard uh Bennett, Naftali Bennett,
[00:04:10] former prime minister or co-prime minister, whatever, who
[00:04:13] said a few days ago, "There's no chance for a
[00:04:17] two-state solution," meaning that a Palestinian state would be established in
[00:04:20] the Middle East, so we now have a situation in
[00:04:24] would not increase, from energy prices, little which that Gaza will
[00:04:26] remain difficult to resolve for a long time, and what...
[00:04:30] I have already said and will repeat again, two people cannot, Vitkov and
[00:04:34] Kushner, mm resolve
[00:04:37] three, four, five, crises that
[00:04:40] we currently have, and they cannot negotiate about all of that and know what is happening and
[00:04:44] resolve all of it. Richard Holbrooke would not have succeeded, let alone those two
[00:04:48] who do not come from diplomacy at all. If
[00:04:50] we could clone the late Holbrooke now and
[00:04:54] make five copies, that would be enough to solve
[00:04:57] all these few. behind or
[00:05:01] to bring up someone else from the old diplomats who could
[00:05:05] solve it, however, when it comes to Gaza, it seems
[00:05:09] to me that they have no idea how to do it, because
[00:05:12] Vox will come now, as we see, that... stabilization force has not been formed,
[00:05:14] some alleged pilot project is starting that should be
[00:05:18] the basis for something that could be done, this whole
[00:05:21] story about disarming Hamas is
[00:05:24] completely uh interesting, because they say, for example,
[00:05:28] "We will not disarm, but we will, I don't know, leave
[00:05:31] weapons aside," which practically means, "Let's put them in a
[00:05:35] container somewhere, and if we accidentally need them, we'll take them." We also
[00:05:38] heard that Muhammad Ahlan, who "is a former head of security
[00:05:42] in Gaza until 2011 who
[00:05:46] left uh those areas and lives in
[00:05:48] Dubai, has close contacts with Sheikhalyan
[00:05:52] and
[00:05:54] Aleksandar Vučić, who said that Hamas will
[00:05:58] become a political organization, that is, like
[00:06:01] Hezbollah, where you have a political party that has
[00:06:05] an armed wing, which is why I say Lebanon will be difficult
[00:06:08] to resolve, but Hamas is already a political organization and
[00:06:11] in power. But now it would become
[00:06:15] even stronger or perhaps more structured than it was, because
[00:06:18] until now it was more that they were uh
[00:06:21] a militant organization with a political wing, and now they
[00:06:25] would be a political organization with
[00:06:28] a military wing, something like the IRA in Northern Ireland
[00:06:32] or Hezbollah in Lebanon, which is why I say
[00:06:35] Lebanon will be harder to resolve because the Lebanese state is not
[00:06:39] strong enough, the army is not strong enough to deal with...
[00:06:42] uh Hezbollah and due to the internal political
[00:06:46] structure, that Hezbollah is important to them in a political sense, so
[00:06:50] there are many intertwining elements
[00:06:53] one over the other, so there will be many things that
[00:06:56] will be difficult to resolve, and Trump here absolutely does not
[00:07:00] use those classic negotiation uh
[00:07:03] principles and models that were once used, but tries
[00:07:07] with threats, social media posts and so on
[00:07:10] to solve such complex matters, which in the end results in what
[00:07:14] happened with Ukraine, with Gaza and with all
[00:07:17] the rest. So, for the end, Esmir,
[00:07:21] in the past few days, last week,
[00:07:24] Ceuta, this whole situation, Morocco-
[00:07:28] Spain, so this Spanish territory on the
[00:07:33] tens of thousands of migrants from
[00:07:37] Morocco landed. They were mostly returned, it seems to me that
[00:07:40] about a thousand undocumented
[00:07:43] people remained, how many
[00:07:46] 2,500 people with some 800 minors,
[00:07:49] so I have, I have 100, okay, those are those
[00:07:53] numbers, but what interests me, I'm more interested in this
[00:07:57] geopolitical aspect of this
[00:07:59] whole story. In recent days, opinions and
[00:08:05] analyses, have been reported that
[00:08:07] this is something that could
[00:08:10] have been orchestrated. This is something that could have been
[00:08:14] part of some strategy
[00:08:18] to destabilize Spain, to bring up
[00:08:21] some issues within the European
[00:08:24] Union itself. Some blame uh Israel and
[00:08:27] the United States for this. Let's remember that Donald
[00:08:31] Trump himself threatened Spain -
[00:08:34] partly because of Spain's refusal to allow their
[00:08:37] territory and American bases there to be used for attacks on Iran,
[00:08:40] and on the other hand, we know that Spain is perhaps
[00:08:44] the loudest European and one of the main countries
[00:08:47] in the world that opposes Israeli policy and
[00:08:50] wars, primarily against
[00:08:52] Gaza?
[00:08:54] Is there a possibility that this was a hybrid action, some hybrid
[00:08:58] activity, that Iranians, Israelis,
[00:09:02] Americans and anyone else currently on the geopolitical
[00:09:05] scene could have been involved? However, what is interesting
[00:09:08] to me in the European political
[00:09:11] space mm... the first ones who came forward to
[00:09:15] criticize Sanchez and Sanchez's policy were
[00:09:18] people who expect elections next year:
[00:09:22] Giorgia Meloni in Italy, AFD in
[00:09:25] Germany, Le Pen and Bardela in
[00:09:28] France. Practically, they want to use this story
[00:09:32] to raise tensions, to
[00:09:34] frighten people, to say, "Look, we still have an influx
[00:09:38] of migrants, only we can protect you from
[00:09:42] that migrant influx." For example, Giorgia Meloni got
[00:09:45] to the point where she said, "We need to suspend Schengen, we need
[00:09:49] to ban Spain, this or
[00:09:52] that." Nobody reminded that Giorgia
[00:09:56] Meloni had the idea to move migrants from
[00:09:58] Italy to Albania, to give them to Edi Rama
[00:10:02] so that Edi Rama deals with them until they get a court
[00:10:05] decision on what to do with those emigrants. On the other hand,
[00:10:09] we have this fueling of
[00:10:13] opposition to Sanchez, because of course, they hope
[00:10:16] that now PP Feijóo will come
[00:10:19] to power or that some combination of Feijóo and
[00:10:24] to power, so then the far right will be in power in Spain, which
[00:10:28] would suit them better at this moment,
[00:10:31] because the claim that came from both Giorgia
[00:10:35] Meloni and others that they attacked the
[00:10:38] European uh continent was completely absurd.
[00:10:41] Not one of these migrants crossed into
[00:10:45] Spain, they all remained on African territory, and as you yourself said, they were all returned to Morocco, so this was
[00:10:49] more of a political, so to speak, game, instead
[00:10:52] of concern for those people and for... Europeans living
[00:10:56] within the European Union, this will probably be used
[00:10:59] in the coming period, whether Trump tried
[00:11:02] to do something against Sanchez, I wouldn't be
[00:11:05] surprised if he really did, because we saw in Ankara that
[00:11:09] he was spitting fire against Sanchez and
[00:11:12] before that at the NATO summit and before that, so
[00:11:16] possibilities for everything exist, although
[00:11:20] I think this was a bit of a combination
[00:11:24] of that mm... Sanchez's law on legalizing
[00:11:27] migrants and some
[00:11:31] campaign that was conducted on social networks for people to
[00:11:34] try to cross, there were traffickers who tried
[00:11:38] to sell this as a good idea,
[00:11:41] however, that program was finished long ago, so there's nothing of that
[00:11:44] and many realized, "Okay, we were tricked," and
[00:11:48] well, "Let's go back, what can we do
[00:11:51] now?" Sanchez of course has his own internal problems.
[00:11:55] In the party, in society, and everything else, but he
[00:11:58] is also going to elections, so we'll see how
[00:12:26] Washington and Tehran continue negotiations, but Donald Trump
[00:12:29] simultaneously again threatens strong attacks if the agreement
[00:12:32] fails. At the same time, Israel continues its attacks on Gaza
[00:12:36] and says it will remain there until Hamas is
[00:12:38] disarmed.
[00:12:41] The US and Ukraine are negotiating the production of missile parts for
[00:12:44] Patriot systems while Russian attacks further burden
[00:12:48] Ukrainian air defense. At the same time,
[00:12:51] residents are being evacuated from the east of the country due to the approaching
[00:12:55] Russian forces.
[00:12:58] Multi-hour queues towards Montenegro again blocked
[00:13:01] the far south of Croatia and created problems for tourists
[00:13:04] and local residents. In a few moments, we will talk
[00:13:08] with the mayor of Konavle municipality about the blocking traffic jams,
[00:13:12] the season, and the question of whether Croatia is losing competitiveness.
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[00:15:51] few days we followed these large crowds in the south of Croatia
[00:15:55] that blocked your area, specifically
[00:15:58] the municipality of Konavle, you were
[00:16:01] among the most affected, how much did it
[00:16:04] affect tourists, but equally important is the question,
[00:16:07] how much did it affect you and the entire local
[00:16:10] population?
[00:16:13] Well, it's true that it was like that, that weekend was
[00:16:17] a bit chaotic,
[00:16:20] namely, through Konavle at that time, about
[00:16:24] mm 14 to 15,000 vehicles and
[00:16:27] somewhere over 40,000
[00:16:30] mm 40,000 people passed through, so that's
[00:16:33] about five times, we are
[00:16:36] a community of about eight thousand
[00:16:39] inhabitants, so five times as large as Konavle is in general,
[00:16:43] mm, of course, it looked truly chaotic,
[00:16:47] we had big problems, but I have to say that
[00:16:50] the police did an excellent job
[00:16:53] and prevented any greater inconveniences
[00:16:56] that could have happened. Uh,
[00:16:59] so there was nervousness in that column,
[00:17:03] you have to understand, people waited for 12 to 15 hours, there was nervousness for...
[00:17:07] our local population, people can't get home from work,
[00:17:11] they can't, mm, you can't simply function normally, the biggest
[00:17:15] fear in the whole story was that God forbid something more
[00:17:18] serious would happen, some traffic accident, that a potential
[00:17:21] fire or something would happen, then it would be uh
[00:17:24] a complete disaster, but as I said, we ended up
[00:17:28] doing well, what we have now is that we have remediated those huge
[00:17:31] amounts of waste that were along the way, so
[00:17:34] we are waiting, we are expecting a new, new weekend and we hope that there won't be
[00:17:38] such a crowd as there was last time, and I don't think there should
[00:17:42] be. There are a number of circumstances that have
[00:17:45] happened, first Feragosto started in Italy, then the
[00:17:49] school holidays started in Western
[00:17:53] Europe, of course everyone
[00:17:56] wanted to especially uh the Albanian
[00:17:59] population and also the Macedonian to come home with their
[00:18:02] families for these holidays and so I say we hope
[00:18:06] that this weekend will not be quite... as it was this
[00:18:09] past weekend. Are there any preparations you are working on
[00:18:12] before this new weekend? Yes, yes, exactly,
[00:18:15] I will have a meeting with the civil
[00:18:19] protection staff and the police today after this conversation
[00:18:22] with you and we will agree on what we can. Look, we cannot control the flow,
[00:18:26] the flow is what it is at the border, mm,
[00:18:29] the border, the Croatian border, the Montenegrin border is
[00:18:32] close, there is an additional problem when it gets
[00:18:35] clogged up there, when it gets clogged up here, then we have a problem,
[00:18:39] we have to, you know, then those passengers
[00:18:43] are successively let through. Mr.
[00:18:47] Lasić, when we talk about the season, these big
[00:18:51] crowds can in one way
[00:18:53] absolutely look like a good season, like
[00:18:57] a large number of people, a large influx of tourists,
[00:19:00] however, we have been hearing for the past two months since the season
[00:19:04] started that it might not be as rosy as expected,
[00:19:07] that some period of stagnation
[00:19:10] has set in.
[00:19:12] What is the season like specifically for you in the municipality
[00:19:14] of Konavle? I can only speak about the season in the municipality
[00:19:18] of Konavle, I wouldn't touch on others, so that's why I'm asking.
[00:19:22] Yes, so here in our area, the season is good. We
[00:19:25] had June in the black, I think by some
[00:19:29] two to three percent.
[00:19:32] the level of last year. We mainly have airline
[00:19:36] guests, so we are an airline destination. In
[00:19:38] our opinion, guests from the United Kingdom
[00:19:42] make up about 40%, and for now
[00:19:45] we can be satisfied. I often
[00:19:48] emphasize that it's not just the number of guests that's
[00:19:52] important, but how satisfied the local population is,
[00:19:55] how the whole system functions,
[00:19:59] mm, you know when you have as many
[00:20:03] inhabitants as you do, when you have a big
[00:20:06] crowd, a large influx of guests, and these incidental problems that
[00:20:10] occur, of course an additional atmosphere is
[00:20:13] created and you have a, let's say, conditional
[00:20:17] problem, but thank God so far we are doing everything
[00:20:20] as we should, we have a very good communal infrastructure for
[00:20:24] now, sewage, water, drainage, that means
[00:20:28] a lot to us, we have truly arranged it exceptionally well
[00:20:31] in the last 30 years, so that all larger settlements,
[00:20:34] including Cavtat,
[00:20:37] Gruda, Molunat, have their own sewage system, we are preparing for
[00:20:41] the construction of sewage for Čilipi, although it has partly reached Čilipi, to the airport
[00:20:45] and that is very important, you have a sewage system that
[00:20:49] functions, you have... clean sea, when you walk
[00:20:52] along the promenade in Cavtat, you will always
[00:20:55] see clear and clean sea, so Cavtat, as
[00:20:58] you can see, Konavle deserves a series of awards that we have had in the last
[00:21:02] few years, that is important to us, we have some problems
[00:21:05] with m, as all places in Croatia, and
[00:21:11] all of Europe, that is the problem of waste management, but
[00:21:15] we are trying to organize that somehow and I hope we will solve that problem
[00:21:18] in the coming years, we need to change people's habits
[00:21:22] a little, we need to organize it a little better, arrange it, but
[00:21:25] I think there will be no reason why we wouldn't do it well.
[00:21:29] And Mr. Lasić,
[00:21:31] Croatia as a tourist destination, especially
[00:21:35] the south of Croatia, perhaps in these
[00:21:39] new, new trends that are emerging, the Mediterranean
[00:21:42] is no longer that sole interesting
[00:21:46] destination. Today we see people going to the mountains, to the Alps.
[00:21:50] They spend their annual
[00:21:54] places that are more competitive in terms of prices. You
[00:21:57] said that you definitely maintained or increased traffic
[00:22:01] by a few percent, i.e. the arrival of tourists, but what
[00:22:05] interests me is what the situation is with
[00:22:09] their spending once they arrive, specifically
[00:22:12] in the municipality of Konavle, is there less or equal
[00:22:16] consumption and eating, for example, in
[00:22:18] restaurants. Or is that information you might not have? I'm interested
[00:22:22] in whether the season has perhaps weakened
[00:22:25] on some other parameters, but still due to the rising
[00:22:29] prices that we all feel?
[00:22:32] Yes, you stated that correctly, it is true that the habits
[00:22:35] of guests and tourists are changing, new generations are coming who have
[00:22:39] completely different thoughts, different
[00:22:42] desires, that is often some, let's say
[00:22:46] adventurous tourism and some
[00:22:49] others. "I say some other destinations are
[00:22:52] that are more interesting. Today you have
[00:22:55] one characteristic that a guest, before you had a guest who would
[00:22:59] come with their car, I remember in my mm
[00:23:02] and that was still long ago, 30, 40
[00:23:06] years ago, 50, in my youth, a guest would come from
[00:23:09] Germany, park their car at the hotel and then stay for 10, 15
[00:23:13] days or seven. You had a guest for eight days, for 15 days or more.
[00:23:16] Today you have a young man who comes and wants to see
[00:23:20] as much as possible, visit different destinations, he will come to
[00:23:24] Konavle, come to Cavtat, he will go to Kotor, he will go, I
[00:23:28] don't know, to Cetinje, he will go to Mostar,
[00:23:31] Dubrovnik, all these are destinations that interest him and he stays for two to
[00:23:34] three days here with us and habits
[00:23:38] are really changing in that sense. We
[00:23:41] in Konavle have truly responded through agrotourism,
[00:23:45] through some new destinations that we have created and
[00:23:48] we are trying our best. as much as we can, mm
[00:23:52] and I say habits are changing, the narrative is changing,
[00:23:55] the story is changing, today tanning is no longer, it's not
[00:23:59] really in, is it? It
[00:24:01] is talked about the sun as m, a kind of
[00:24:04] danger, that you get melanoma or I don't know what else, so
[00:24:08] people avoid it,
[00:24:11] have to be prepared for that, whether guests, whether guests spend
[00:24:15] less or more, it is true that they spend less, but it is also a fact that we
[00:24:19] are a destination that is certainly expensive, but
[00:24:22] again, the other day I had one such classic example,
[00:24:26] I always tell an anecdote and give some concrete
[00:24:29] examples, by coincidence I was in Paris and a kilo of cherries was
[00:24:33] over 30 euros, so everywhere you go, I'm afraid
[00:24:36] the euro, thanks to, thanks to the so-called corona
[00:24:40] crisis, has truly devalued significantly and today
[00:24:43] I have the feeling when I have one euro in my pocket
[00:24:47] that I have one kuna, and even in some things that...
[00:24:50] 'm that kuna is stronger, at least that's my
[00:24:53] impression than that one euro, but here
[00:24:56] I say, we try, guests try their best to
[00:24:59] please guests, but in my opinion, the price
[00:25:03] is still, the prices are not, are not appropriate, they are not
[00:25:06] as high as they should be, and even more so because the state has intervened
[00:25:10] in a number of ways so that prices
[00:25:14] is said about that, they have been frozen for
[00:25:17] years, this has been going on, electricity has...' "become
[00:25:20] truly, in my opinion, cheap, too cheap, attempts
[00:25:23] have been made with the price of oil, with
[00:25:26] other benefits, and the government has
[00:25:29] conditionally exerted pressure on local self-government not
[00:25:33] to increase communal fees, contributions, and so on, we have
[00:25:36] done all that, and we have now come to a situation, if
[00:25:40] you allow me, because I am in the position of president of the community and municipalities of the Republic
[00:25:44] of Croatia, we have come to a situation as
[00:25:47] what is in Germany in other countries up to local only..." the administration's
[00:25:51] function has come into question, you know, because for
[00:25:55] years we haven't increased prices and the prices of stays in
[00:25:58] kindergartens and the prices of utility fees, contributions. all
[00:26:02] the rest and local taxes, that's one problem, we haven't
[00:26:05] increased, increased for these reasons I mentioned, but
[00:26:09] of course there are also political reasons why
[00:26:12] local, uh, local leaders in a
[00:26:15] way, uh, didn't want to increase it for political reasons,
[00:26:19] these are the problems we face, I see in Germany there were demonstrations
[00:26:22] in front of the Bundestag by local
[00:26:25] leaders and so on and so forth these are problems that we simply
[00:26:29] have to solve on the fly.
[00:27:02] The Danube is at historically low levels, new
[00:27:06] sandbanks are appearing, parts of the structures of sunken
[00:27:09] ships are visible. In Vukovar is our Ivan
[00:27:12] Hrstić, Ivan, what is the situation there with
[00:27:16] the water level and these
[00:27:17] droughts?
[00:27:22] The day after the Adriatic Sea, a small coast of the Pannonian
[00:27:25] Sea that dried up who knows how long ago, already
[00:27:28] tens or hundreds of thousands.
[00:27:32] yen at this moment what is left of
[00:27:36] the Danube doesn't look so miserable
[00:27:40] and harmless as someone might think at this moment,
[00:27:43] at first glance the drama is not visible,
[00:27:47] the Danube here in Vukovar, further it is still
[00:27:50] very much present and wide, although of course the people of Vukovar
[00:27:53] will wave their hand and say it's a shallow, here behind
[00:27:57] my back, we see several
[00:27:59] ships and including
[00:28:03] a passenger cruiser,
[00:28:06] so which simply cannot go further,
[00:28:09] it got stuck here that is the rule
[00:28:13] for shipping in this part of the Danube,
[00:28:16] a few kilometers south near the Šarengrad
[00:28:20] island, a convoy of Austrian
[00:28:23] tugboats got stuck, which of course did not run aground on
[00:28:27] some sandbank on dry land, it is still
[00:28:30] in the middle of a very wide... Danube, but not deep
[00:28:33] enough for uh normal
[00:28:37] navigation, what they say at this moment in the
[00:28:40] internal navigation administration in Zagreb as in the
[00:28:43] port authority in
[00:28:46] Vukovar is that they are trying to organize at least
[00:28:49] a minimal navigable channel in the middle
[00:28:52] of the river, at least so that uh so that ships
[00:28:56] can sail in one direction and so that
[00:29:00] at some locations they can uh... pass
[00:29:03] each other alternately, but it is obvious that in some
[00:29:06] places this is no longer possible and that
[00:29:09] traffic is stopping, it is ensured of course that
[00:29:13] ships that dock in the port can normally uh
[00:29:16] tie up so that people can get on and off, that is
[00:29:20] disembark and embark on ships, here across
[00:29:23] the way, the camera has turned its gaze towards
[00:29:26] the Vukovar island where the people of Vukovar are still swimming,
[00:29:29] but probably most of them... "I would say
[00:29:33] everyone goes there
[00:29:35] wading across the Danube, that would still be an irresponsible
[00:29:39] adventure, some perhaps can even swim across, but
[00:29:43] to get there, to get there you go by boat, on the other side
[00:29:46] the arm of the Danube which is
[00:29:49] towards the border with Serbia, it has largely
[00:29:53] dried up, just like
[00:29:57] a little further south on Vučedol island where you can
[00:30:00] almost cross the Danube..." but of course, if someone
[00:30:04] tells you they crossed the Danube, then you can be sure that it
[00:30:08] was not in the main course of the Danube, but that it happened
[00:30:12] on one of the towards one of the islands across
[00:30:15] one of the Danube arms,
[00:30:19] and it is also clear that it is not an adventure for
[00:30:22] everyone, because sandy along the sandy
[00:30:26] sandbanks, there is also mud, in some places quicksand
[00:30:29] can also form, so... "one still
[00:30:33] needs an eye that has learned
[00:30:36] to recognize such situations and
[00:30:39] such locations,
[00:30:41] here in Vukovar, so the Danube is still
[00:30:45] very much uh there, almost in its full
[00:30:48] width, the only thing missing is the Vuka, but it is not the first
[00:30:52] time that the Vuka has dried up,
[00:30:55] usually when the Danube rises then it
[00:30:58] flows into the Vuka.