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[00:00:27] Good evening, this is another Red Line, I am Marina. Tucan, about 20
[00:00:31] women are killed annually in each of the countries in the region, and another
[00:00:35] 15 of them were subjected to attempted murder. In only 6%
[00:00:38] of cases, the perpetrator is unknown, yet murders are not
[00:00:42] prevented. Is femicide predictable? Is there a typical
[00:00:45] profile of an abusive murderer? Does the system recognize
[00:00:48] the risk to the victim, or is femicide a systemic failure?
[00:00:52] Will femicide become a separate criminal offense in Serbia and Republika
[00:00:55] Srpska, as it has been since 2024 in
[00:00:58] Croatia and last year in the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, or are amendments
[00:01:02] to the Family Violence Law sufficient? Why did the Croatian
[00:01:05] Parliament reject the formation of a parliamentary investigative commission for femicide? Would
[00:01:09] continuous joint action by the police, social
[00:01:13] work centers, and citizens reduce the number of women killed in the countries
[00:01:16] of the region, and what is the role of the media and publicly spoken words
[00:01:20] in preventing femicide? Tonight, Vesna Ljubičić, Commissioner for
[00:01:23] Gender Equality in the Republic of Croatia, Azra Husarić Omerović
[00:01:27] and women's. Bosnia and Herzegovina network, and Vanja
[00:01:31] Đurić, journalist, are speaking about femicide in the countries of the region on Red Line. Good evening, everyone.
[00:01:33] Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. The occasion is
[00:01:37] of course a sad one.
[00:01:41] and reminds us of The infamous number is increasing, one might say every month, unfortunately in the countries of the region. Another
[00:01:45] woman has been killed. The last femicide was recorded
[00:01:48] last weekend in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
[00:01:51] Uh, and what we could hear, actually,
[00:01:55] it was a fellow journalist. According to all parameters, it somehow
[00:01:58] seems that the murder could have been prevented, at least theoretically,
[00:02:02] according to institutions: a restraining order, violence reported, a
[00:02:05] history of violence exists with the perpetrator
[00:02:08] of violence against his mother and brother from 10 years ago, yet
[00:02:12] he had a permit for carrying weapons, he was a security guard, and so
[00:02:16] on, uh, well, Mrs. Husarić Omerović,
[00:02:20] what would you say, who failed here? For a week now, in the media
[00:02:25] that then the whole in Bosnia and Herzegovina, and in the region, we can
[00:02:27] read texts, watch reports
[00:02:30] about femicide. Who failed here? The system?
[00:02:33] How do you see this
[00:02:38] a large number of women, and situation? Somewhere it seems a little to me that I am repeating myself by saying that the system
[00:02:42] failed, but it did. The system failed in this last case of
[00:02:45] femicide in Bosnia and Herzegovina, in Sarajevo, where our colleague
[00:02:49] Elma, a fellow journalist, was killed. It failed
[00:02:52] in the analysis of the media, which is very important, and because it did not provide a response to all those calls for
[00:02:55] help that she made and which she used in accordance with
[00:02:58] the law. Last year, we really had amendments
[00:03:02] to the Criminal Code of the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina,
[00:03:04] the adoption of the Law on
[00:03:08] a restraining order in force the Protection of Women from Domestic Violence against Children, which was praised by
[00:03:11] civil society organizations and the media
[00:03:14] sector because these changes really bring
[00:03:18] more urgent protection measures and a better support system for women
[00:03:21] victims of violence, but also stricter penalties and greater mechanisms
[00:03:25] of protection and support for police officers. However,
[00:03:28] what we pointed out after the adoption of the law, which was
[00:03:32] sometime in August last year, is that the law will remain
[00:03:36] a dead letter on paper if institutions do not implement it in
[00:03:39] practice. That was actually the greatest fear
[00:03:43] of organizations that spoke about it, which were somehow involved
[00:03:46] in the adoption of the provisions of the law, and it has already been seen
[00:03:50] in several cases that the law actually failed because
[00:03:54] the participants of institutions who were supposed to
[00:03:57] apply it did not apply it. In the last case, as you mentioned at
[00:04:01] the beginning, mm the victim of the murder actually
[00:04:04] took all the steps that a victim can take, but the system did not
[00:04:07] respond. We have a multiple offender, or rather
[00:04:11] a perpetrator and recidivist in committing violence whom the system did not
[00:04:14] remove from the victim. In a way, again, as a society, we
[00:04:17] failed because we mm shifted the responsibility, the burden, to
[00:04:21] the victim, because we allowed the media, society,
[00:04:25] to again look for the culprit and the role of that
[00:04:28] violence in the victim. mm And that is why an informal
[00:04:31] group of activists and journalists issued a public
[00:04:34] reaction in an effort to prevent and warn that
[00:04:38] such mechanisms can prevent and incapacitate other
[00:04:42] victims of violence who are currently going through some form
[00:04:45] of violence from seeking help or doing anything, because as
[00:04:49] a society, we condemn the victims again. In a way,
[00:04:53] we absolve the system and say it's okay that you didn't do
[00:04:56] anything. Uh, the Women's Network of Bosnia and Herzegovina stated:
[00:05:00] "A restraining order without supervision does not protect women from femicide." Supervision in what
[00:05:03] sense, in what way, specifically?
[00:05:05] Uh
[00:05:08] the restraining order that was issued in this case did not yield
[00:05:12] results. For protection, he violated the restraining order
[00:05:15] and the police, or rather, police officers, did
[00:05:18] not issue him a penalty for that, or the competent court did not issue
[00:05:22] a penalty when it could have issued a detention order or an electronic
[00:05:25] ankle monitor, which was indeed praised last year
[00:05:29] when the law was passed and began to be implemented in
[00:05:33] the procedure, right? Mm, and which would somehow prevent him from
[00:05:37] approaching the victim because it would notify the nearest
[00:05:40] police station that he is violating that restraining order. No, the
[00:05:43] murder would not have happened, or rather, he would not have been able to commit any form
[00:05:47] of violence against that victim. The protection measures failed
[00:05:50] because all those mechanisms that could have made that protection
[00:05:53] measure result
[00:05:57] in protection for women were not fully implemented in practice. When it comes
[00:06:01] to Serbia, Vanja, the law
[00:06:05] still does not recognize in the Republic of Serbia
[00:06:08] femicide as a separate criminal offense in the criminal code. We have this
[00:06:11] law on... prevention of domestic violence, it is quite rigorous, and here we
[00:06:15] heard that those measures are quite strong,
[00:06:18] how to say, and that's why I asked the question in the introduction whether it is necessary for it to be
[00:06:22] recognized. We know it is, but let's explain, so we have this
[00:06:26] law on the prevention of domestic violence where institutions should
[00:06:29] react promptly, and the police, the prosecution, and
[00:06:32] so on, a restraining order is immediately included, isolating
[00:06:36] the victim, however, now it is
[00:06:39] the end, or rather the beginning of May, we have four victims of femicide already in
[00:06:42] Serbia, yes, we do not have femicide as a separate criminal
[00:06:46] offense, and what is interesting to me is that we actually don't even have any serious
[00:06:50] debate about it, it is only mentioned sporadically,
[00:06:54] and I would say that we have not yet reached the level
[00:06:57] where we actually hear truly valid arguments for and
[00:07:01] against. It is somehow always a topic when either a
[00:07:04] femicide occurs or when it is the day of remembrance for victims
[00:07:07] of intimate partner violence, which is otherwise coming up on May 18th, if
[00:07:11] I'm not mistaken, and that is a topic, and of course it
[00:07:15] is a question raised by organizations dealing
[00:07:18] with this problem, mainly autonomous women's centers, FemPlatz, and
[00:07:21] so on, and uh, I think that
[00:07:25] the main problem here is also us, the media, for not raising this
[00:07:28] issue in a way that we make it a topic. I have to
[00:07:32] thank you for dealing with this tonight, for discussing it, even though
[00:07:36] the reason is truly terrible, that's right, and now
[00:07:39] what, for example... what organizations dealing
[00:07:42] with this insist on is
[00:07:46] the formation of a body to monitor femicide, and I think that
[00:07:49] that would perhaps be a good step, that femicide watch, but we
[00:07:53] don't have any central register. We are already entering
[00:07:57] the middle of 2026, last
[00:08:00] year, for example, the strategy expired,
[00:08:03] then it was extended, and regardless
[00:08:06] of the fact that the law you
[00:08:09] mentioned actually provides for certain measures. And regardless
[00:08:13] of the fact that, for example, all those organizations cooperated and continue to cooperate, they work
[00:08:17] with prosecutors, social work centers, everyone
[00:08:21] who in some way participates in that chain of help and
[00:08:24] prevention, still, in the end, we come to the point where everything
[00:08:28] depends on a case-by-case basis, that is, it depends on how
[00:08:31] each of them was involved,
[00:08:34] how much they participated, to what extent they got involved, simply
[00:08:38] they did it by educating themselves, to what extent
[00:08:41] did, for example, the police, prosecutors, social
[00:08:45] work centers invest in being sensitive to
[00:08:48] these issues, to properly recognize, for example, if
[00:08:52] it happens that the risk assessment is not done
[00:08:55] well, then the measure that will be imposed on
[00:08:59] someone who has been reported for violence may not be adequate, and thus we
[00:09:03] come to the point that the victim is in greater danger,
[00:09:07] that there is a threat that in the end they may even be killed,
[00:09:10] that the Movement of Free Citizens. This was recently re-submitted to parliamentary procedure,
[00:09:14] this request for femicide to be in the criminal code as a separate
[00:09:18] criminal offense. Here you uh also said that there is no public
[00:09:22] debate, do you expect it to be on the agenda soon
[00:09:25] or not, what are your
[00:09:28] findings, so to speak, since you deal with this topic both from a
[00:09:32] journalistic perspective and as an activist?
[00:09:35] Yes, I am also a member of the group Journalists against Violence
[00:09:38] against Women, as is my colleague from Bosnia, or rather, the guest from Bosnia, and recently
[00:09:42] we had a joint meeting here in Belgrade, where we discussed
[00:09:46] how we, as journalists, and there were
[00:09:49] activists, there were women who work in social work centers,
[00:09:52] how we can all contribute to changing that picture
[00:09:56] both in the media and simply that work
[00:10:00] on the prevention of intimate partner violence and
[00:10:03] femicide. I would say simply knowing the current
[00:10:07] social circumstances in Serbia that this will not be a topic for us
[00:10:10] anytime soon, because we simply see that now the focus is on election laws,
[00:10:14] the so-called Mrdić's, or judicial laws, and that is
[00:10:18] simply the current climate in Serbia. This topic, despite
[00:10:21] the fact that, for example, there are parliamentary parties. Parties that
[00:10:25] will be the ones that will
[00:10:28] support and focus on this topic, we still somehow
[00:10:32] expect that to happen soon, because simply this spring
[00:10:36] session is also ending soon, and everything will go towards ending
[00:10:40] with these laws that are important to us because of some upcoming
[00:10:43] elections. Yes, uh, Mrs. Ljubičić, now let's get to it, I intentionally
[00:10:47] left Croatia as the last of these three
[00:10:49] countries, because Croatia is in the European Union where
[00:10:52] the law was changed in 2024,
[00:10:56] as a separate criminal offense, right, femicide was included
[00:10:59] in the criminal code. Now here we heard what Serbia
[00:11:03] insists on, uh, that special body that would monitor
[00:11:07] femicide, uh, in the Parliament there was a very heated
[00:11:10] debate, the Možemo! party demanded
[00:11:14] uh the establishment of a parliamentary investigative commission for
[00:11:18] femicide, that was rejected, right, the law exists,
[00:11:21] uh, and it was heated. Uh, in this
[00:11:25] way, how can I say, in this confrontation
[00:11:28] of those who want to and those who don't, what is your position, would
[00:11:31] this
[00:11:33] uh body be able to help prevent it? You
[00:11:37] presented the latest research, which is not at all, how to say, optimistic
[00:11:41] when it comes to Croatia, despite the fact that, uh, as I said,
[00:11:45] femicide has been included as a separate criminal offense.
[00:11:48] You have asked quite a few questions
[00:11:51] for starters.
[00:11:55] Well, in 2024, the Republic of Croatia
[00:11:58] introduced a special criminal offense which is not, however, called femicide,
[00:12:02] it is called severe murder of a female person, but what
[00:12:06] we achieved by introducing that
[00:12:08] criminal offense is that we managed to
[00:12:11] introduce into the glossary of the criminal code the definition of gender-based
[00:12:15] violence from the Istanbul Convention,
[00:12:18] in this way we actually described what kind
[00:12:22] of crime it is, what kind of criminal offense it is.
[00:12:25] That is, the murder of a female person that is conditioned by, that is
[00:12:29] a result of gender-based violence. Before that, we
[00:12:32] had murder of a person
[00:12:36] as an aggravating circumstance if it concerned a close
[00:12:39] person, if it was committed out of hatred, and so on,
[00:12:42] however, since 2016, 2017,
[00:12:46] there has been a lot of talk in the public
[00:12:49] and professional sphere about the murders of female
[00:12:52] persons, about femicide, and what that... actually means,
[00:12:56] in what way it affects
[00:12:59] exclusively
[00:13:03] in what way we, as a society, as institutions, can act
[00:13:07] to close that circle of violence and recognize all risks
[00:13:11] and risk factors, led to us including a special
[00:13:14] criminal offense in 2024. However,
[00:13:17] what happened to us in 2024,
[00:13:21] well, we have now already finished the first quarter of 2026.
[00:13:25] We have 11 initiated
[00:13:29] proceedings related to the criminal offense of
[00:13:31] femicide. Five judgments have been handed down, two
[00:13:34] of which are final, three are still not final.
[00:13:37] And we see that
[00:13:40] there is not enough of a
[00:13:43] gender-sensitive approach, gender
[00:13:45] sensitivity towards
[00:13:48] the perpetrators of such acts. Mhm.
[00:13:51] Generally, when we talk about gender-based violence and...
[00:13:55] the full extent of the violence
[00:13:58] that occurs, that is, we are talking about all forms of gender-based
[00:14:01] violence, whether it is sexual violence or
[00:14:04] other forms of violence,
[00:14:08] we see that we lack sufficient
[00:14:10] exchange of information, sufficient networking of all
[00:14:14] institutions, gender-sensitive
[00:14:17] approach, uh, frequent violations, as
[00:14:21] Mrs. Vanja said,
[00:14:24] and Azra from
[00:14:26] Tuzla, that is, violations of protective measures,
[00:14:30] violations of precautionary measures,
[00:14:33] which lead to situations when a
[00:14:37] harmful act occurs, that is,
[00:14:41] femicide. When we talk, therefore, what
[00:14:44] we are witnessing now is that we have an extremely
[00:14:47] good national framework, a well-established
[00:14:51] criminal-legal system, but there are always problems
[00:14:55] in the application and implementation of such legal
[00:14:58] regulation. Until the education
[00:15:01] of all those stakeholders who participate
[00:15:05] in the prosecution, from the prosecuting
[00:15:07] bodies to expert psychological assistance, and to
[00:15:11] judicial bodies who
[00:15:14] uh prosecute
[00:15:17] such cases. It's like, sorry to interrupt you, that regardless of
[00:15:20] the adoption of the law, the circumstances and context
[00:15:24] in which the crime occurs are actually very similar
[00:15:28] in the three countries, although here the law exists.
[00:15:32] The law exists, but always at the beginning of the announcement, you
[00:15:35] rightly mentioned that there are several
[00:15:37] factors besides that legal regulation: public awareness,
[00:15:41] social awareness, the role of the media,
[00:15:44] neo-conservative currents, messages from public figures,
[00:15:48] public personalities, politicians, female politicians who
[00:15:51] speak about this type of violence, gender-based violence.
[00:15:55] When we talk about the investigative commission that
[00:15:58] was proposed by the opposition, about which
[00:16:00] we recently had a thematic session and a heated
[00:16:04] parliamentary debate was held, our position
[00:16:07] is that all proposals that go towards
[00:16:11] resolving or improving
[00:16:14] the resolution of uh uh
[00:16:18] reducing gender-based violence, i.e., reducing the number
[00:16:21] of femicide cases, are welcome, however,
[00:16:24] if situations occur
[00:16:27] when a certain topic is used as a political
[00:16:31] weapon, it is not good. We believe
[00:16:34] that today human rights are...
[00:16:38] Uh, something that we as egalitarian ordered
[00:16:42] societies have taken on and committed to since
[00:16:45] 2000, when we
[00:16:49] included in our constitution the constitutional principle of gender equality,
[00:16:53] and a host of other fundamental values, is something
[00:16:57] that we constantly need to improve through
[00:17:00] judicial practice and through international European systems, and so on. This
[00:17:04] parliamentary investigative commission, yes.
[00:17:07] The commission that was proposed,
[00:17:10] well, I would mention
[00:17:14] that it would probably be about parallel systems, because
[00:17:17] we, as an institution, established a multidisciplinary body in
[00:17:21] 2017 that includes
[00:17:24] judges, criminal lawyers, and judges from
[00:17:27] the High Misdemeanor Court, the academic community, the Faculty of Law,
[00:17:30] the Ministry of Justice, the Ministry of Internal
[00:17:34] Affairs, the relevant Ministry of Social Affairs, civil
[00:17:38] society organizations that deal with sexual
[00:17:41] violence, so and other independent experts,
[00:17:45] where for the last nine years
[00:17:48] we have been analyzing all cases of femicide that have occurred
[00:17:52] and through our report, we explain
[00:17:55] and analyze on about twenty
[00:17:58] pages what failures occurred
[00:18:02] in each of these cases. So you think that...
[00:18:05] actually something similar already exists, so there's no need to duplicate it
[00:18:09] in some way, if I understood correctly, but well, uh,
[00:18:12] let's leave that part for now, let's actually
[00:18:16] look at in the second part of the show we will deal a little
[00:18:20] with data, and you have the latest uh uh data
[00:18:23] from 2024, uh, Vanja also participated
[00:18:29] how actually in the media
[00:18:33] uh sector, forms of uh and cases
[00:18:36] of femicide are recorded. But let's go back to why we started this show,
[00:18:40] this latest incident in Bosnia and Herzegovina and Sarajevo. So, reported violence,
[00:18:45] on paper, a record of violent behavior towards the closest family
[00:18:49] members, yet a permit for a weapon, the possibility for him to
[00:18:52] kill his ex-wife in front of their minor child. In the Federation of Bosnia
[00:18:56] and Herzegovina, femicide is recognized as a separate criminal offense, there is
[00:18:59] a procedure for dealing with penalties for perpetrators. The crime still
[00:19:03] happened, who failed? Will anyone other than the killer be held accountable?
[00:19:07] How was the victim of violence treated in the media, how sensitive are we as a society
[00:19:10] to femicide, do we actually know what it means? Many
[00:19:14] more questions, as every time femicide happens. In this region
[00:19:18] more frequently, even three times more than in the European
[00:19:21] Union. In the Sarajevo neighborhood of Dobrinja where Elma
[00:19:24] unsuccessfully tried to find her peace in life, a new beginning,
[00:19:28] today shock and silence. Horror.
[00:19:32] There is no more protection here anymore. No, there is no
[00:19:36] state, first of all.
[00:19:38] This is impossible, what is happening, we are not
[00:19:41] safe on the street, at home, or anywhere,
[00:19:45] not for our children or for ourselves, I was really surprised yesterday when I
[00:19:49] heard it. I'm so sorry, and
[00:19:52] you see our situation,
[00:19:54] they can't protect a woman, the woman
[00:19:57] even reported him, well, from what
[00:20:01] I read, he had a restraining
[00:20:05] order and everything, but... it means
[00:20:07] nothing. Terrible. So, the key question
[00:20:11] that is now being asked is, how could someone
[00:20:14] after two reports for a restraining
[00:20:17] order against the victim, after a divorce
[00:20:21] situation which is itself a risk factor, after
[00:20:24] the appearance of a man who works, so in an agency that deals
[00:20:28] with security, has access to weapons, has access
[00:20:32] to tracking mechanisms, simply has
[00:20:34] a different insight into the victim's
[00:20:38] situation, how could someone allow him to simply get away with
[00:20:41] a paper measure? The protective measure again did not protect
[00:20:45] the victim. Last year, amendments to the law on
[00:20:48] protection against violence against women were triumphantly announced,
[00:20:52] which were then adopted in the Parliament of the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina.
[00:20:55] It was emphasized that from now on, perpetrators will wear electronic ankle monitors
[00:20:59] when restraining orders are issued against them. In practice, this is still not happening.
[00:21:03] What is the concrete problem with the MUPs, as far as
[00:21:06] we know, is that they are absolutely not
[00:21:09] uh in line with the law, because on the day the law came
[00:21:12] into force, they should have had equipment, they should have had mechanisms,
[00:21:16] they should have had absolutely everything or in a short time... which
[00:21:20] the law would have allowed them to provide all that. Since
[00:21:23] that didn't happen, we essentially have another gap in
[00:21:27] practice compared to what is written on paper.
[00:21:30] Experts explain that most killers had previously been reported
[00:21:34] for domestic violence, which further highlights the importance
[00:21:37] of timely reaction. It is obvious that the pattern repeats
[00:21:41] due to the slowness of the system. According to the law, police forces, prosecutors' offices, courts,
[00:21:44] guardianship bodies, health and educational institutions, and agencies for
[00:21:48] free legal aid are obliged to provide assistance
[00:21:51] and support to victims of violence. And what have the security agencies done?
[00:21:55] He says they can't do anything until it happens, meaning now that she's been killed, now they can measure something, right?
[00:21:59] This measures something, how many entrances there were, the hallway, and so on.
[00:22:03] They were stuck in Dobrinja yesterday measuring something. What are you measuring now?
[00:22:05] What are you measuring now? Get
[00:22:09] those people out, every neighborhood has one potential killer,
[00:22:13] right? He walks around and says, "I don't know what to do with him."
[00:22:16] You don't know what to do with him? Tragedies could be prevented
[00:22:20] if courts were much more agile in ordering
[00:22:23] detention. The absence of this in this case proved
[00:22:26] fatal. The Deputy Minister for Human Rights, Duška Jurišić, emphasizes that
[00:22:30] the MUP and the Prosecutor's Office are obliged to explain why detention was not requested,
[00:22:33] because, according to certain information, Elma had reported
[00:22:37] violations of the restraining order. These are measures prescribed
[00:22:40] by the new Law on Protection against Domestic Violence
[00:22:43] and Violence against Women in the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, including
[00:22:47] a penalty of up to three years in prison in case of violation
[00:22:51] of measures prohibiting approaching the victim. If there were
[00:22:54] systemic failures, individuals must
[00:22:57] be held accountable. In reality, it has once again been shown that psychological
[00:23:01] violence is just one step before femicide. At the same time, the electronic
[00:23:05] ankle monitor provided by law is practically blocked in the labyrinths
[00:23:08] of slow bureaucracy, between the federal and cantonal levels.
[00:23:12] Horrific statistics on murders do not alarm them. If everything
[00:23:16] had been implemented so far, Elma would have received a timely warning to hide.
[00:23:20] And the nearest police would have received an alarm to go to the location. Instead of such
[00:23:24] a preventive reaction, another child was left without
[00:23:27] a mother. Azur Delić,
[00:23:29] N1.
[00:23:31] Uh, Mrs. Merović, what will be the uh,
[00:23:34] procedure now? Of course, you cannot condemn the criminal, of course,
[00:23:38] but you are dealing with this topic. What kind of pressure can
[00:23:42] follow now, uh, do you really think that any
[00:23:45] of these institutions and representatives of institutions will also
[00:23:48] be held accountable, as I asked the question in
[00:23:52] the announcement of this report? We saw that there were
[00:23:55] systemic failures, bureaucracy where this monitoring
[00:23:58] did not come to life, and so on, we heard everything in the report, I won't
[00:24:01] repeat it. And what can anyone who is watching and listening
[00:24:05] expect if they are in some potential
[00:24:08] risk from an abuser who is somewhere near
[00:24:12] them? Yes, I believe that the
[00:24:15] perpetrator, or in this case the killer, will be judged
[00:24:19] by the strictest laws, by the amendment to the criminal code for aggravated
[00:24:22] murder, gender-based aggravated murder. In this way, a higher
[00:24:26] penalty will be imposed than was previously possible. However, we must talk
[00:24:30] about other aspects of responsibility, of course, of members
[00:24:34] of the system who might have been able to prevent this murder.
[00:24:37] which also includes the mentioned protection measures, if
[00:24:41] from the report of our colleague Azor Delić, in the case,
[00:24:44] specifically in this case of murder in Sarajevo, he
[00:24:48] had been issued. prohibition measures, he had a previous conviction for
[00:24:52] domestic violence, however, the problem that remained somewhat invisible, which colleagues
[00:24:56] from the detector published today, is that he
[00:24:59] provided the agency where he worked with a certificate of no criminal record,
[00:25:03] which is why he was actually able to access that weapon and was able to
[00:25:06] commit, in a way, in this case murder, so it's a systemic
[00:25:10] problem how he could get a certificate of no criminal record for a previous
[00:25:13] conviction for domestic violence, then how he violated
[00:25:17] the prohibition measures twice, he was not issued a detention measure. he was not given
[00:25:21] an electronic bracelet, or ankle monitor, and that case must be resolved
[00:25:25] completely. What I must remind you of, in
[00:25:27] the case of Inela Selimović, the murder of Inela Selimović
[00:25:31] from Kalesija, which was also processed under
[00:25:34] the new amendments to the criminal law, in that case there
[00:25:37] was, was a situation where she reported domestic violence,
[00:25:41] police officers came to the scene and she then said that
[00:25:45] she was withdrawing, withdrawing the report because he actually left that
[00:25:48] apartment when... "when she called the police,
[00:25:52] the police did not record that report and they are being tried today because they
[00:25:56] were obliged to act according to that help
[00:25:59] the victim to protect herself, so I must emphasize somewhere. I think there are
[00:26:03] good steps in the system, in this case
[00:26:06] of Inela Selimović, police officers must be held accountable
[00:26:09] for their inaction which they had, they were obliged to
[00:26:13] act, I hope that in this case, the murder of our colleague Elima in
[00:26:16] Sarajevo will also follow, because the system must take
[00:26:20] responsibility for missed steps and somewhere
[00:26:24] we all must put pressure on this case,
[00:26:27] because by putting pressure on the case of Inela Selimović
[00:26:31] in Kalesija, because... the media then exerted the greatest pressure on
[00:26:34] the responsibility of the police officers because it was revealed that she had reported
[00:26:38] through her family, actually and the procedure was initiated,
[00:26:42] pardon, the procedure was initiated, so in this case, the entire society has
[00:26:45] a responsibility to put pressure on institutions, because institutions have
[00:26:49] mechanisms to protect victims, they just need to start
[00:26:52] applying them, when it comes to Serbia, well Vanja, women for change in Novi
[00:26:55] Sad held, there were several such actions to
[00:26:59] raise awareness among citizens about the fourth femicide.
[00:27:02] since the beginning of the year in Serbia, uh, how much
[00:27:06] do you think such a type, we talked about concrete pressures now to do something,
[00:27:10] we see progress, our colleague said in Bosnia and Herzegovina
[00:27:13] that there are, uh, I don't know about
[00:27:16] similar cases for Serbia, I mean correct me, and of course if
[00:27:20] I'm wrong, uh, but here I say, activists
[00:27:23] are coming out, addressing citizens, demanding
[00:27:27] action,
[00:27:29] well, actually, it's very commendable that every time... women for change from
[00:27:33] Novi Sad, that activist group steps forward and
[00:27:36] simply points out that another femicide has occurred, they usually react that way, so
[00:27:40] after it happens
[00:27:43] how much of a problem it is that we simply have to talk about it publicly,
[00:27:47] however, the fact is that
[00:27:51] very few people always join them and those gatherings are not large, and
[00:27:54] it seems to me that we, regardless of the fact that we are, for example, very
[00:27:58] we have connections, I mean in these
[00:28:01] post-Yugoslav... societies, we have similar problems, similar
[00:28:05] contexts, there are still some, I would call them
[00:28:08] cultural differences, it seems to me that we here in Serbia
[00:28:11] are perhaps not so sensitive to the loss of
[00:28:15] a woman's life as is the case in Bosnia, or
[00:28:18] we can simply look at it in such a
[00:28:21] way that the system's failures are
[00:28:24] so clear
[00:28:27] society and media react to it, and for me, for example, in
[00:28:31] this case we saw from Sarajevo, the case of
[00:28:33] the murder of the journalist is somewhat
[00:28:37] commendable that we saw these people in the report who
[00:28:41] clearly see that it is a system failure and blame
[00:28:44] the system, somehow when the report started, I thought, oh,
[00:28:48] why did the colleague ask the neighbors for their opinion because that is precisely something we don't
[00:28:52] advise, it's not ethical, however, it's very good that he didn't ask them
[00:28:55] for their opinion about the perpetrator and who doesn't romanticize
[00:28:59] the whole story, but people clearly say that they don't feel
[00:29:02] safe in their homes. not on the street, mm-hmm, and what kind of state is that, so it's very good that they
[00:29:06] addressed, that they recognized the problem, it seems to me that we
[00:29:09] still, uh, that level of awareness we simply don't have and
[00:29:13] somehow we don't deal with it in that
[00:29:16] way, uh, and when I look at the media, again
[00:29:20] it's interesting to me that we have still made some progress there
[00:29:24] and I would also refer to one more thing that
[00:29:27] the guest from Croatia mentioned that
[00:29:30] it is simply, uh... "it's all of our concern, that there are more
[00:29:34] factors that influence
[00:29:36] that we have to look at it from some more angles,
[00:29:40] so I would say that, I would add, or rather, that we have to
[00:29:43] look at it as something that concerns all of us, so when we talk
[00:29:47] about partner violence, family violence, it is not a private matter, although
[00:29:51] it is very often seen that way here, from that we have not yet moved
[00:29:55] here in Serbia, we still see it that way, and it would be very important to
[00:29:59] understand that it is a public matter that concerns all of us, that when..." when
[00:30:02] we hear or when we see, when we know about a case, we should
[00:30:05] report it, yes, here for Bosnia and Herzegovina, it's quite clear where the failures
[00:30:09] were pointed out, these four female victims killed in
[00:30:12] Serbia, we don't have at least the data as far as I've seen
[00:30:16] uh that the cases were reported earlier, these are isolated
[00:30:19] cases, well I might be wrong, but according to what
[00:30:22] I've read, there's no such clear violation uh
[00:30:26] institutional, so in that sense we can't now
[00:30:30] determine who else should uh uh be
[00:30:34] held accountable, in any case it's not an alleviation or an extenuating circumstance
[00:30:37] uh uh it's not, it's not an extenuating circumstance, of course
[00:30:41] uh, it's just about that somehow, but that
[00:30:44] cultural problem you mentioned, that's right, so for us it's simply as
[00:30:48] if something very big, very terrible has to happen to
[00:30:51] shake us up so that we would react then, until then we don't recognize
[00:30:55] it as a problem at all, although there were cases in Serbia earlier
[00:30:58] it wasn't perhaps so clear where...