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[00:00:00] they did that, we will not go into their reasons, however
[00:00:04] you touched upon General Kundid, how
[00:00:08] do you see the situation in which two
[00:00:11] hills, two men are actually arguing
[00:00:14] - over General
[00:00:16] Kundid's back,
[00:00:19] well, I don't see it well, my opinion is that if I were in his
[00:00:23] place, I am not a corporal or
[00:00:26] a sergeant for someone to call me, come up little one, he is the commander.
[00:00:30] of the Croatian army, surely without these
[00:00:33] arguments, General Kundir would have come, of course, to account
[00:00:36] to the Parliament and the government for the state of
[00:00:40] the Croatian army, and of course to the supreme commander,
[00:00:43] the president of the country. I don't think it's
[00:00:47] good in such a, uh, how should I say, for
[00:00:50] the future of the Croatian army that anyone is in
[00:00:54] disfavor and cannot do their
[00:00:57] jobs. General Kundid is also from the Homeland War,
[00:01:01] a hero who has been in the Croatian army from the first days, he became
[00:01:04] the chief of the general staff, I greet him on this occasion, may he lead
[00:01:08] a successful Croatian army, and I wish
[00:01:11] the president of the country and the government understand that
[00:01:15] it is not good to do anything over the army or
[00:01:18] to gain any merits and
[00:01:21] promotions, General Krešić, we have come
[00:01:25] to the end of your guest appearance, thank you very much for
[00:01:28] your analysis. insights from
[00:01:32] the 90s, but your
[00:01:35] opinion on everything that happened, what happened
[00:01:37] today, or what are the circumstances we are witnessing,
[00:01:41] this was the president of the Croatian Generals' Assembly, Marinko
[00:01:44] Krešić.
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[00:04:57] Welcome back. We continue
[00:05:00] today's topics, now we move on to foreign policy with
[00:05:03] me on the video link is colleague Esmir
[00:05:07] opinions and Milavić, foreign policy editor of N1 Bosnia and
[00:05:10] Herzegovina, Esmir is in Sarajevo. Esmir, welcome to N1
[00:05:13] Croatia, good morning Hanan,
[00:05:17] let's start with the USA and Iran, these
[00:05:21] renewed new negotiations,
[00:05:24] uh, new blockades, questions about what will happen with the Strait
[00:05:28] of Hormuz, Donald Trump announced that the Iranians
[00:05:32] had held all-day
[00:05:34] negotiations with the Iranians, but again, obviously in his own style, he said
[00:05:38] and threatened, there will be, there will be retaliation, and there will be
[00:05:42] strong... strong attacks on Iran if an agreement is not
[00:05:45] reached, what is the current
[00:05:48] situation, as far as negotiations are concerned, Iran could
[00:05:52] gain the right to supervise ships entering
[00:05:56] the Persian Gulf?
[00:05:59] What we currently know is that the Iranians are conducting
[00:06:03] negotiations with Oman, not with the Americans,
[00:06:06] because as the American president says, if there isn't
[00:06:10] something, there will be something. This practically means
[00:06:13] that, uh, he, uh,
[00:06:17] imagines that these negotiations are taking place, because as we know, in the past few
[00:06:21] weeks, there have been no significant contacts
[00:06:24] between the two delegations
[00:06:26] directly. Qatar a few days ago, Majed Al-Ansari and
[00:06:30] their foreign ministry spokesman announced that they had joined
[00:06:34] all this, which practically means that
[00:06:37] someone more serious had to join the negotiations
[00:06:41] as a mediator in order to... try to reach a solution, because Pakistan failed,
[00:06:44] um, everything else failed for
[00:06:48] the simple reason that, well, what you just said,
[00:06:52] he constantly threatens, constantly makes new
[00:06:56] demands, new threats, constantly
[00:06:59] changes his mind, no one is sure anymore whether
[00:07:03] something agreed upon today will still be
[00:07:05] in force this afternoon, so what the American
[00:07:09] president is doing has become quite, well,
[00:07:13] tiresome, because I will remind our viewers that at the beginning of
[00:07:17] the war, that is, at the end of February, he said that it would
[00:07:20] last four to six weeks, here we are
[00:07:23] in the sixth month of this war and there is no
[00:07:27] end in sight. The only thing we got in the past few hours as
[00:07:31] some concrete information is that
[00:07:34] Iran and Oman discussed these routes and how
[00:07:38] to pass through Hormuz, but
[00:07:41] that... "still has many problems in itself,
[00:07:45] because, uh, some ask the question what if
[00:07:49] these, I don't know, transit tariffs or customs duties or
[00:07:52] something are introduced, some road tax, as I would call it, that will
[00:07:56] create additional costs for people who, uh,
[00:07:59] do business with the Gulf area and that will, of course,
[00:08:03] have an effect on the global community, so
[00:08:07] this problem with the American administration has been going on for
[00:08:10] too long and I think that if he really wants to reach
[00:08:14] some agreement, he should create a serious
[00:08:17] negotiating team that would then go and talk to
[00:08:21] partners in the Gulf region and beyond to
[00:08:24] finally find a solution to all this. And
[00:08:28] now here you mentioned Trump's
[00:08:30] original announcement that the war would last four to seven
[00:08:34] weeks, it is clear that here we are now where
[00:08:37] we are. What has been raised for some
[00:08:40] time and in recent days even more, is
[00:08:44] the question of how much this war
[00:08:47] exhausts primarily the United States, not
[00:08:50] so much Iran,
[00:08:53] how long this war could last and what
[00:08:57] is being asked is how much it will harm
[00:09:00] the US economy, that is, are there
[00:09:03] sufficient stocks of ammunition, they may not even
[00:09:07] have to exist, but how much money will then go into their
[00:09:10] creation and to us? to raise something like that so that
[00:09:14] the war could continue?
[00:09:17] You are absolutely right, according to the latest information published
[00:09:20] by colleagues from CNN and other American media,
[00:09:24] their reserves are currently reduced
[00:09:27] by approximately 80%, especially
[00:09:30] when it comes to missile interceptors.
[00:09:33] What the Iranians were practically doing here was that the Iranians were firing
[00:09:37] these missiles to force the Americans to defend themselves,
[00:09:40] that is, to defend their allies in the Gulf region. The second
[00:09:44] thing that is very, uh, difficult for the American president at
[00:09:48] this moment, is that none
[00:09:51] of these attacks led to what he
[00:09:55] was talking about, that they were wiped off the face of the earth, that they were destroyed, that they cannot
[00:09:59] defend themselves, that they cannot attack and so on and so forth. They still
[00:10:02] have, uh, considerable reserves.
[00:10:05] Certain things, as we learned from intelligence data, reports
[00:10:09] from our colleagues at the global level, have already
[00:10:12] uh, renewed their reserves. They have produced in their own
[00:10:15] production, I have already spoken, I think in our Zagreb program
[00:10:19] and our Sarajevo program countless times that, for example,
[00:10:23] the Shahed 136 new ones that Russia uses in
[00:10:26] Ukraine, today they are simply transported across the border
[00:10:30] from Russia from the factories they own there,
[00:10:34] mm license to produce is given
[00:10:36] to, uh, the Iranians, the Iranians then
[00:10:39] normally use them. We saw in the Gulf region that the Iranians
[00:10:43] mostly used drones for attacks, meaning
[00:10:46] they did not use conventional
[00:10:49] weapons, you are also absolutely right when you say that
[00:10:53] the American economy will be threatened. Yes, it will be threatened and it will be severely
[00:10:57] threatened and huge financial resources will have
[00:11:00] to be invested, especially from the Pentagon's budget. I will remind
[00:11:04] you that currently in Congress a new military
[00:11:08] budget is being discussed which should amount to more
[00:11:11] than 1.8 trillion US dollars or
[00:11:15] more than 1800
[00:11:17] billion US dollars that the Pentagon is currently
[00:11:20] asking Congress to allocate.
[00:11:24] And of course, the question will then be raised among
[00:11:27] Americans, especially among voters who will vote in November this
[00:11:31] year in the congressional elections. Well, why are we spending so much money
[00:11:35] when Trump promised us that we would no longer wage
[00:11:38] endless wars, that we would not participate in what
[00:11:42] is happening in the Middle East, so this whole
[00:11:45] situation simply causes enormous damage and one
[00:11:48] of the elements that are connected, uh,
[00:11:52] indirectly, that is, directly with... what is
[00:11:55] happening in the Middle East is the price of oil at American
[00:11:59] gas stations, not on the global market, but at American
[00:12:02] gas stations, where Americans now say, well, we didn't vote for this, we voted
[00:12:06] for the barrel to be under 2 dollars, now the barrel
[00:12:09] is, uh, 4.5, actually the gallon
[00:12:13] to be under 2 dollars,
[00:12:16] now it is 4 dollars and 55 cents
[00:12:19] on average, so Americans feel the whole...
[00:12:22] this, uh,
[00:12:25] gambling adventure into which Trump entered, for which he
[00:12:28] claimed it would end very quickly, just as he said the war in
[00:12:32] Ukraine would end in 24 hours, well, this
[00:12:35] war he started didn't end as quickly as he
[00:12:39] said other ones would. The question
[00:12:42] arises
[00:12:45] how he will be, let's say, punished
[00:12:49] in the US itself. We have
[00:12:52] now, over the past two days, this first
[00:12:56] round of elections for Congress. These primaries
[00:13:00] have been held, we have already seen some
[00:13:03] unexpected victories and successes
[00:13:05] of some Democratic candidates, and if
[00:13:09] we now include in the whole story we are talking
[00:13:12] about and the American attack
[00:13:15] and aggression against Iran, which went hand in hand with Israel, there is also
[00:13:18] an interesting question of AIPAC, that is, this American-
[00:13:22] Israeli association that invested
[00:13:25] millions, 60 million in one
[00:13:28] case of sponsoring going against the candidates
[00:13:32] who now seem to have managed to
[00:13:35] win the elections. What does that
[00:13:38] tell us about some divisions in American
[00:13:42] society, or perhaps this punishment of these American
[00:13:46] policies?
[00:13:49] Yes, what you are talking about when it comes to Democrats, Michigan
[00:13:52] is very interesting, where he
[00:13:56] invested huge financial resources, a total of 60 million
[00:14:00] was spent in the fight against Abdel El Sayed, 30
[00:14:03] million, 30 million was invested by APEC
[00:14:07] itself, which is very interesting, primary
[00:14:09] elections, so it's purely within the Democrats to
[00:14:13] choose who their candidate will be, it's not even those main elections that
[00:14:16] follow in November. A huge amount of money was spent
[00:14:20] precisely because of this fight that is being waged with, how should I
[00:14:24] say... with with, uh,
[00:14:27] Democrats about their internal, so to
[00:14:31] speak, organization, because these progressive candidates like
[00:14:34] Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are now increasingly coming
[00:14:37] onto the scene and if voters go
[00:14:41] with them, well, we see that Abdul Al Sayed won in
[00:14:44] Michigan against someone who was an establishment candidate,
[00:14:48] then that means there will be punishments for both
[00:14:51] sides, both because of Gaza and because of this now that...
[00:15:04] that questions are being raised, that two
[00:15:06] years of his mandate will practically pass in that
[00:15:10] the Democrats will 24/7
[00:15:13] have the opportunity to constantly investigate everything
[00:15:16] he did and all the moves he made, and that will create
[00:15:20] huge problems for him and his administration if
[00:15:24] by chance. Alsaid's victory in these primaries
[00:15:27] indicates that there is a possibility that he will also become the
[00:15:30] first Muslim senator in the United States in the history
[00:15:33] of the United States, then that could mean that he will lose this house.
[00:15:37] of the American Congress, then he will be in trouble, because
[00:15:41] then he will be what Americans call a lame
[00:15:44] duck president, that is, a president who can do
[00:15:47] absolutely nothing because the Democrats will not let him adopt
[00:15:51] even, uh, a letter of congratulations, to
[00:15:54] put it colloquially, if he wants to send a letter of congratulations
[00:15:57] to someone, he needs congressional approval, so the Democrats will not
[00:16:01] mm, uh, adopt it, they will simply
[00:16:05] mm block him in everything and everything that America
[00:16:08] promised to the voters who supported him, that will
[00:16:11] fall in Congress, also
[00:16:15] I must say that people who voted for him in the last
[00:16:19] elections simply say, we are deeply
[00:16:22] disappointed and we made a huge mistake voting
[00:16:25] for him at this moment, that is, in the elections when
[00:16:29] he won the presidential elections. So now
[00:16:32] he is part of that whole scene, that MAGA
[00:16:35] scene of those who who... who largely
[00:16:39] supported Trump, this rhetoric and policy, for example
[00:16:42] Tucker Carlson, our colleague, is now
[00:16:45] completely changing the story, so a lot is
[00:16:49] happening, do you think that this war against Iran and
[00:16:53] actually Israel's involvement of Washington
[00:16:56] in this whole story with all these repercussions
[00:16:59] that you pointed out, is that
[00:17:03] perhaps the one moment that will
[00:17:08] truly punish him, because because people are now, so you
[00:17:12] mentioned here people who voted, we also have people who financed his
[00:17:16] campaign, who are not all so enthusiastic about what
[00:17:20] Trump's administration is doing, on the other
[00:17:23] hand, it can be seen that the results of this
[00:17:26] action could actually most harm
[00:17:29] the US? Yes, absolutely
[00:17:32] right, although when it comes to Tucker Carlson and a certain
[00:17:36] group of people who come from that MAGA sector, I wouldn't always
[00:17:40] take at face value,
[00:17:43] uh, as Americans say, what they say at
[00:17:46] first glance, I wouldn't take everything they say with complete
[00:17:50] sincerity and I wouldn't fully trust them, but it shows
[00:17:53] certain trends that they have started to wash their hands of him
[00:17:57] and sprinkle themselves with ashes for everything they did, but something that is
[00:18:01] very interesting is Maggie Haberman, who recently
[00:18:04] wrote with Jonathan Swan a book called Regime
[00:18:07] Change, which describes the first year
[00:18:11] of Trump's mandate and what happened at the beginning of
[00:18:13] this war with
[00:18:17] Iran. She says that the moment Benjamin Netanyahu came
[00:18:21] to the White House in the situation
[00:18:24] room and when he presented
[00:18:27] uh, the idea of how to go into this
[00:18:30] war, the head of the CIA, the head of
[00:18:34] the State Department, uh, numerous others.
[00:18:39] military segments from the Pentagon simply
[00:18:42] said, no, what he is presenting to you, this idea that
[00:18:46] he is presenting to you, this will not work, this will not go well, but
[00:18:50] Trump for some reason decided to go with that idea of Benjamin Netanyahu
[00:18:54] and he went into all this, into what he went, and now we have the whole
[00:18:58] situation we have. Uh, what can
[00:19:01] happen, tell me,
[00:19:04] finish, finish, I had a comment, it doesn't matter, just for... What can happen, you
[00:19:08] said, what can happen is
[00:19:12] that even those who
[00:19:15] were sure within the Republican party,
[00:19:18] candidates he supported, and also candidates he
[00:19:22] did not support, lose the elections precisely because
[00:19:25] of what Carlson and others are saying, who have now
[00:19:29] started washing their hands of him, and then the situation will be much, much harder for
[00:19:32] Republicans than they expect at this moment, even in
[00:19:36] those federal states that were not red
[00:19:40] but ultrarred, to now turn purple
[00:19:44] or blue, that is, to pass into the hands of Democrats.
[00:19:47] Esmir, now as we spoke,
[00:19:51] footage from Gaza was playing.
[00:19:54] Um, for example, the ceasefire has been in effect since October
[00:19:57] last year, however, Israel
[00:20:00] has violated that ceasefire and agreements tens
[00:20:04] and hundreds of times. In recent days, we have also witnessed
[00:20:07] new attacks, new civilian casualties,
[00:20:11] renewed shelling of tent settlements,
[00:20:15] refugee camps - a war that has been going on for
[00:20:19] three and a half years now. What
[00:20:22] interests me, uh,
[00:20:25] pardon me, not three and a half years, I misspoke,
[00:20:29] two and a half years. What
[00:20:33] interests me, uh,
[00:20:36] can this agreement with Iran? And since the war with Iran is certainly
[00:20:39] part of this broader story into which it falls, which in a way
[00:20:43] also began with the war against Gaza and all those conflicts in the Middle
[00:20:47] East that arose from it, especially
[00:20:51] if we take into account that Iran, Hamas,
[00:20:54] Hezbollah, and then the Houthis in Yemen are part of that axis of
[00:20:57] resistance, do you think that whatever the outcome
[00:21:01] of this war against Iran is, there will be space
[00:21:04] to somehow regulate the situation in
[00:21:08] Gaza, and then in Lebanon, let's not forget that
[00:21:10] part either?
[00:21:13] Ah, Lebanon is a different uh thing, Lebanon will be
[00:21:16] a bit harder to resolve when it comes to Gaza. Gaza is at
[00:21:20] this moment a victim of
[00:21:24] internal politics in Israel and the struggle for
[00:21:26] supremacy between Netanyahu and his
[00:21:30] right-wing coalition and the opposition. The elections are on
[00:21:33] October 27th. Um, in those elections,
[00:21:36] Benjamin Netanyahu seeks to
[00:21:39] politically survive. On the other hand, uh,
[00:21:42] we are waiting to see what the opposition will do, because for example, Gadi
[00:21:46] Eizenkot, a former general, former chief of staff who
[00:21:50] leads the opposition, or the strongest bloc in the opposition, it seems to
[00:21:54] me, is sending some messages that he might be willing to discuss
[00:21:57] a certain solution. However, we heard
[00:22:01] uh, Bennett, Naftali Bennett, the former
[00:22:05] prime minister or co-prime minister, whatever, who, uh, said a few
[00:22:08] days ago, there's no chance we'll have a two-state
[00:22:11] solution, meaning that a Palestinian state would be established in the Middle
[00:22:15] East, so we now have a situation in which that Gaza will
[00:22:18] remain for a long time to be resolved, and what I have
[00:22:22] already said and will repeat once again, two people, Vitkov and
[00:22:26] Kushner, mm cannot resolve mm
[00:22:29] three, four, five mm crises that we currently have
[00:22:33] and they cannot negotiate all that and know what is happening and resolve
[00:22:37] all that, Richard Holbrooke would not have succeeded, not the two of them who do not come
[00:22:40] from diplomacy at all. If we could clone
[00:22:44] the late Holbrooke now and make five copies, that would be
[00:22:48] enough to resolve the amount of all these few
[00:22:52] crises or to bring back someone
[00:22:55] else from the old diplomats who could resolve it, but when it comes
[00:22:59] to Gaza, it seems to me that they have no idea how to do it, because now
[00:23:03] we see that even that stabilization force has not been
[00:23:06] formed, some alleged pilot project is starting
[00:23:09] which should be the basis for something that could be
[00:23:12] done. This whole story about disarming Hamas is
[00:23:16] completely, uh, interesting, because they, for example, say:
[00:23:20] "we will not disarm, but we will, um, I don't know, put
[00:23:23] our weapons somewhere aside, that practically means, let's put them in a
[00:23:27] container somewhere, and if we happen to need them, we will take them. We also
[00:23:31] heard that Muhammad Dahlan, who is the former head of
[00:23:34] security in Gaza until 2011, who
[00:23:37] left uh those areas and lives
[00:23:40] in Dubai, has close contacts with Sheikh Al-Khalifa
[00:23:44] with Aleksandar Vučić, who said
[00:23:47] that Hamas will transform into a political organization, that is
[00:23:50] just like Hezbollah, where you have
[00:23:53] a political party that has an armed wing, precisely because of that
[00:23:57] I say that Lebanon will be difficult to solve, but Hamas is already
[00:24:00] a political organization and a government, well yes, but now
[00:24:03] now it would become even stronger or perhaps
[00:24:07] more structured than it was, because until now it was more that they were
[00:24:11] a militant organization with a political wing,
[00:24:14] and now they would be a political
[00:24:17] organization with a
[00:24:21] military wing, something like the IRA in Northern Ireland
[00:24:24] or Hezbollah in Lebanon, precisely because of that
[00:24:27] I say Lebanon will be harder to solve because the Lebanese state is not
[00:24:31] strong enough, the army is not strong enough to deal with, um,
[00:24:35] Hezbollah, and because of the internal political
[00:24:38] structure, Hezbollah is important to them in a political sense, so
[00:24:42] there are many elements that intertwine
[00:24:46] one over the other, so there will be many things that will be difficult
[00:24:50] to solve, and Trump here absolutely does not use those classic
[00:24:54] negotiating principles and models that were once
[00:24:57] used, but he tries, well, with threats, posts on
[00:25:01] social networks and so on to solve such
[00:25:04] complex matters, which in the end turns out, well, how it
[00:25:07] turned out with Ukraine, with Gaza with everything else.
[00:25:11] So, to conclude, Esmir, we had
[00:25:14] in recent days, last week,
[00:25:16] Ceuta, this whole situation.
[00:25:20] Around Spain, so this Spanish territory on the
[00:25:25] which 10,000 migrants
[00:25:29] from Morocco disembarked, they were
[00:25:32] mostly returned, it seems to me that there are still
[00:25:36] 1000 minors, people,
[00:25:38] how many 2,500 people with some
[00:25:42] 800 minors, so there, then I have, we have
[00:25:45] 100, okay, those are the, those are some numbers, however, what interests
[00:25:49] me... I'm more interested in this geopolitical
[00:25:51] aspect of this whole story. In the past few days,
[00:25:57] comments have appeared, and even
[00:26:00] analyses, that this is something that
[00:26:03] could have been orchestrated, that this is something that
[00:26:05] could, could have been - part of some
[00:26:09] strategy, destabilization of Spain, raising
[00:26:13] some issues within the European
[00:26:16] Union itself. Some blame Israel and
[00:26:20] the United States for this. Let's remember that Donald
[00:26:23] Trump himself threatened Spain, uh,
[00:26:26] partly due to Spain's refusal to allow its
[00:26:29] territory and American bases there to be used for attacks on... Iran,
[00:26:32] and on the other hand, we also know that Spain is perhaps
[00:26:36] the loudest European and one of the main countries
[00:26:39] in the world that opposes Israeli policy and
[00:26:43] wars, primarily against
[00:26:44] Gaza.
[00:26:47] Is there a possibility that this was a hybrid action, some kind of hybrid
[00:26:50] activity? Yes, there is. Iranians, Israelis,
[00:26:54] Americans, and anyone else currently on the geopolitical scene
[00:26:57] could have been involved. However, what's interesting
[00:27:00] to me, in the... European political
[00:27:03] sphere, the first ones to criticize Sanchez and
[00:27:07] Sanchez's policy were people who are expecting
[00:27:10] elections next year, Giorgia Meloni in Italy,
[00:27:14] AfD in Germany, Le Pen
[00:27:17] and Bardella in France. Basically,
[00:27:20] they want to use this story to raise
[00:27:24] tensions, to scare people and say,
[00:27:26] "Look, we have an influx of migrants, only we
[00:27:30] can protect you from this migrant
[00:27:34] influx." For example, Giorgia Meloni said that Schengen should be suspended, that
[00:27:37] Spain should be banned, this or
[00:27:41] that. No one reminded that Giorgia
[00:27:44] Meloni had the idea to move migrants from
[00:27:48] Italy to Albania, to give them to Edi Rama,
[00:27:50] so Edi Rama could deal with them until they get a court
[00:27:54] decision on what to do with those migrants. On the other
[00:27:58] hand, we have... um, this
[00:28:00] incitement against Sanchez, because of course, they
[00:28:03] hope that
[00:28:07] either PP Feijóo will come to power
[00:28:10] or that some combination of Feijóo and
[00:28:13] Vox will come to power, so then the far
[00:28:16] right would be in power in Spain, which would suit them better at
[00:28:20] this uh moment, because the claim that came from both Giorgia
[00:28:23] Meloni and others that they had attacked the
[00:28:27] European continent was completely absurd.
[00:28:30] "None of these migrants crossed into Spain, they all
[00:28:34] remained on African territory, and as you yourself said, they were all returned
[00:28:38] to Morocco, so this was more of a political, so to speak,
[00:28:41] game instead of concern for both those people and
[00:28:45] for Europeans living within the European
[00:28:48] Union. This will probably be used in the coming period. Did
[00:28:51] Trump try to do something against
[00:28:54] Sanchez? I wouldn't be surprised if he actually did, because
[00:28:57] we saw in Ankara that he was... "breathing fire"
[00:29:01] against Sanchez even before that at the NATO summit and
[00:29:05] before that, so possibilities
[00:29:08] for everything exist, although I think this was a bit
[00:29:12] of a combination - of Sanchez's
[00:29:16] law on legalizing migrants and
[00:29:19] some uh campaign that was run on social
[00:29:23] networks for people to try to cross there,
[00:29:26] traffickers tried to sell
[00:29:30] this as a good idea,
[00:29:33] however, that program was finished long ago, so there's nothing left of it,
[00:29:36] and many realized, "Okay, we've been tricked," and
[00:29:40] "Let's go back, what can we
[00:29:43] do now?" Sanchez, of course, has his own problems
[00:29:46] within both the party and society and everything else, but he is
[00:29:50] also going to elections, so we'll see how it all plays out in the end.
[00:29:54] Esmir, thank you very much for this extensive conversation and
[00:29:57] analysis. We will certainly hear and see each other again.
[00:30:01] That was our Esmir Milović from Sarajevo.
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