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[00:00:00] absolutely given up,
[00:00:02] as for Ukraine, we have never been rivals on that
[00:00:06] issue, but truly sincere partners and
[00:00:08] friends, and everything that President
[00:00:12] Zelensky said, he said it correctly and thank
[00:00:15] him for that, that he used it as an opportunity
[00:00:19] and we will continue to cooperate, I believe
[00:00:23] that there are numerous areas
[00:00:27] in which our cooperation can be. doubled
[00:00:30] and tripled, besides, if you look at the trade
[00:00:34] exchange in '25 and '26 compared to what we
[00:00:37] had in '20, '21, so
[00:00:40] both before the war and after that, so '22,
[00:00:44] '23, that is a huge difference and
[00:00:48] I believe that in that regard our trade exchange and
[00:00:51] exchange in the sphere of services can still
[00:00:54] grow. Dear Mihal, just to add
[00:00:57] one more detail to you, so we will open
[00:01:01] a drone factory here, but with the Israelis, we are doing it with
[00:01:04] the Israelis, the Ukrainians are very successful and have
[00:01:08] many of their own drone factories in that regard, so we will
[00:01:12] invite you here for the opening, I think it will be around September
[00:01:15] 15th or 20th, thank you very much, thank you Mr. President, thank you
[00:01:18] President Zelensky, dear colleagues, thank you, this concludes today's address,
[00:01:22] thank
[00:01:23] you.
[00:01:29] We saw that... so the address of the two presidents after
[00:01:32] the talks, we will of course continue the analysis,
[00:01:36] first of all what Vučić and Zelensky said, so we are returning
[00:01:40] to Berlin where Nikola Ksavijerev from the German
[00:01:43] Council on Foreign Relations awaits us, thank you very much for
[00:01:47] still being here, for waiting for the end of this
[00:01:50] press conference, uh here President Vučić
[00:01:53] has uh given, let's say, a classic
[00:01:56] presentation, he said that he supports the charter, that Serbia.
[00:02:00] supports the Charter of the United Nations on the territorial
[00:02:03] integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine, support for EU
[00:02:07] integrations, while President Zelensky started
[00:02:11] his presentation from the situation that
[00:02:14] happened last night, which is a new Russian attack,
[00:02:17] he also expressed condolences to the victims,
[00:02:20] while President Vučić did not even mention
[00:02:24] it, he did mention that they did not discuss military cooperation today,
[00:02:27] so, we heard a lot in the past. and
[00:02:30] 45 minutes 45 minutes,
[00:02:33] what is your view of everything you
[00:02:36] heard? Thank you for the question, the atmosphere is
[00:02:40] positive, but as I said at the beginning, the first
[00:02:43] item, if you take this transcript of this conversation and
[00:02:47] send it to the Kremlin, I don't think you can
[00:02:50] read it, that is, in the Kremlin there will be no negative
[00:02:54] sentiments towards this, of course
[00:02:57] they are not happy, but that's that policy. where,
[00:03:00] of course, diplomatic differences are always wrapped up,
[00:03:03] differences that can be lived with, I think
[00:03:07] that this visit also through this,
[00:03:10] through this press conference clearly
[00:03:13] shows that there was a formal part, an
[00:03:17] informal part and everything that everything that
[00:03:20] is essentially sensitive was left, that is, it
[00:03:24] was the subject of discussion during last night's
[00:03:27] extensive dinner, and everything that... "is essentially
[00:03:30] symbolic and around which two states that are
[00:03:34] in normal relations, can
[00:03:38] take precedence over the public. What I would
[00:03:41] mention here is, in essence,
[00:03:44] if you listen more carefully
[00:03:47] to the answer of President Zelensky, he essentially
[00:03:52] that? in some way adopted that vocabulary or the desire of the Serbian
[00:03:56] side to explain in the European
[00:04:00] Union that the process of European integration
[00:04:04] should not continue without one state, that is, he
[00:04:07] really said that Serbia should not get lost in that
[00:04:11] process, that is really a nice, nice
[00:04:15] gesture towards President Vučić, now how he
[00:04:18] argued it and why Zelensky
[00:04:21] says this voluntarily, remains to be seen, because if we do
[00:04:25] an analysis, it is not very clear how Serbia can
[00:04:29] get lost there. because in the conversation
[00:04:31] before this press conference we essentially concluded
[00:04:35] that there are not many options in this big
[00:04:38] multipolar world after all, where Serbia can
[00:04:41] and can flow. A very interesting question from a
[00:04:45] journalist from Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung who essentially
[00:04:48] insinuated and wanted to know if there was
[00:04:51] any progress in the idea of
[00:04:55] Serbia and Albania perhaps joining the single
[00:04:59] European market. Here, of course, that
[00:05:02] old cynicism of President Vučić who
[00:05:06] of course doesn't mention at all what needs to be
[00:05:11] something that is lived with, improved at home but. places all
[00:05:13] the problems in the field, that is in the garden of the European
[00:05:16] Union, and Zelensky, of course, here as
[00:05:20] always, has to dominate,
[00:05:23] state his, his problems and what he
[00:05:27] expects in return and you see here, as I said
[00:05:30] at the beginning, it is clear that Zelensky is a subject of international
[00:05:33] relations, a gravity around which this press
[00:05:37] conference simply leads world interest, and Vučić is essentially
[00:05:41] an observer, an object that must adapt
[00:05:45] and be very sensitive, not to say anything that could offend
[00:05:49] either Belgrade or Ukraine because he knows that European partners are looking
[00:05:53] for something that Belgrade cannot do there
[00:05:56] except for a small
[00:05:59] flattery. Mhm, you said that Moscow can
[00:06:02] be, does not have to be dissatisfied, and
[00:06:05] President Vučić received a question from a Ukrainian journalist in
[00:06:09] which she specifically mentioned Putin and how... to influence Putin
[00:06:13] to end this war, while in response, President
[00:06:16] of Serbia Aleksandar Vučić did not even mention Putin once,
[00:06:20] he said that he cannot give serious assessments of whether the war will
[00:06:24] end soon, that he would like the war to end tomorrow, but that he is not
[00:06:28] sure that such a thing will happen, uh, now when we go back to
[00:06:31] what we talked about before, those megaphones of the
[00:06:35] government in Moscow, Aleksandar Vulin, who told Russian media
[00:06:39] that the visit is not in accordance with the wishes of the citizens
[00:06:42] of Serbia but represents pressure from Brussels, and when we take all that
[00:06:46] into account, and the opposition here in Serbia, which has not
[00:06:49] clearly declared itself on this visit, has not even
[00:06:52] spoken out, uh, the majority
[00:06:54] of the opposition, uh, how then are we to interpret all that,
[00:06:58] did uh Belgrade let's say
[00:07:01] disturb Moscow or did it not disturb it,
[00:07:05] or did uh with this message Aleksandar Vučić send
[00:07:08] some uh kind of, let's say, conciliatory
[00:07:12] message to Moscow? Well,
[00:07:15] in essence, President Aleksandar Vučić
[00:07:18] repeated what he clearly emphasized abroad last week in
[00:07:21] Switzerland in his interview, that is, he
[00:07:24] did not want to
[00:07:27] mention that Russia is responsible for the aggression against
[00:07:30] Ukraine, he said that the war, in his
[00:07:34] opinion, will not end quickly, which is something that, of course,
[00:07:37] all European leaders also say because they are aware that it is a
[00:07:40] that it is a uh... performance of negotiations, that it is
[00:07:44] an illusion of peace negotiations, here I would
[00:07:47] say that we can expect
[00:07:51] that Vučić might go on a visit in the next
[00:07:55] six months to Moscow, but I really don't
[00:07:58] see why Vučić should worry too much about
[00:08:02] the sentiment in the Kremlin at this moment, because
[00:08:05] as I said at the beginning, I think that if this transcript
[00:08:08] is sent by diplomatic mail to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
[00:08:13] of Russia, that there will be no major, no
[00:08:17] major problems there, also what is important is, I didn't mention this in
[00:08:21] the previous time you asked me, that this
[00:08:24] question of partnership rivalry on the European
[00:08:27] path between Ukraine and Serbia is
[00:08:31] something that is, how can I say always
[00:08:34] a tension, that is something that stands in, how can I
[00:08:37] say, in the space of diplomatic talks on
[00:08:41] the general... on the general platform of European
[00:08:44] integration between the so-called Eastern
[00:08:47] enlargement and Western enlargement, where, of course, it is always
[00:08:51] watched who will be better and faster, and here
[00:08:54] Vučić, of course, very nicely said that they
[00:08:58] are not against Ukraine getting some
[00:09:01] special status to open clusters,
[00:09:04] however, equally cynically, and I think that in
[00:09:07] the conversation at dinner he said even more cynically that
[00:09:11] it is also an illusion, of course, in that regard, it is very easy
[00:09:14] and pleasant for Vučić
[00:09:17] to mention that path as something that is
[00:09:21] great for Serbia if Ukraine progresses, that he has
[00:09:24] no problem with that and something that, as you asked me,
[00:09:28] will surely be welcomed in the Baltic states,
[00:09:31] because the Baltic states, for example, always say
[00:09:35] that Ukraine cannot
[00:09:38] wait for the Western Balkans, but they actually
[00:09:41] have. they have an advantage that through
[00:09:44] their defensive merits
[00:09:48] they should receive, that is exactly that line, that cautious
[00:09:52] line that President Vučić sends
[00:09:56] to his partners in the European Union who are not very benevolent
[00:10:00] towards Belgrade and maybe one last sentence
[00:10:03] for Moscow, I think that this
[00:10:07] fact that we talked about, that there are no
[00:10:11] indications of... this defense
[00:10:14] defense sector and drone production, at least formally,
[00:10:17] that it is something that essentially gives Vučić
[00:10:21] the advantage to say that this is a formal visit
[00:10:24] and Moscow should not worry, because even
[00:10:27] that ammunition that was previously the subject of discussion is
[00:10:31] no longer, drones will be made with
[00:10:35] the help of Israel, so that here the entire
[00:10:38] tension is actually calming down, mhm, of course,
[00:10:41] and we will monitor whether the President of Serbia will, as usual,
[00:10:45] tomorrow or in the coming days, have a meeting with the Russian
[00:10:48] ambassador here in here in Serbia, Nikola, thank you
[00:10:52] very much for the time you dedicated to N1.
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[00:18:07] Follow N1 live regarding the visit of the President of Ukraine
[00:18:11] to Serbia, about ten, fifteen
[00:18:14] minutes ago, the press conference of the two presidents
[00:18:18] in the Palace of Serbia ended, we are now going to where Aleksandra
[00:18:22] Gotfroa awaits us,
[00:18:24] Aleksandra, what could we hear at this
[00:18:27] conference, what did we not hear, and what could be
[00:18:30] read between
[00:18:31] the lines,
[00:18:36] well, perhaps what is more indicative is what we heard at the very
[00:18:40] end, so President of Serbia Aleksandar Vučić claims that
[00:18:43] no military cooperation was discussed,
[00:18:47] that Serbia is really building a drone factory, but with the Israelis and that
[00:18:51] it will be opened in September, what is also indicative
[00:18:54] is that it was the second time during
[00:18:57] his statements, statements by Aleksandar Vučić that he
[00:19:01] said after the war, so after the war, Serbia
[00:19:04] will discuss possible military cooperation perhaps. with
[00:19:08] Ukraine, he used the same phrase after the war in connection with
[00:19:12] closer foreign policy relations with
[00:19:14] Ukraine, foreign policy, joint action
[00:19:18] towards third countries, so those analysts
[00:19:21] who talked about the fact that Zelensky's arrival
[00:19:25] for an official visit to Serbia for the first time, actually
[00:19:28] we heard that he is actually the first Ukrainian president after eight years
[00:19:32] who comes here, does not mean... a change in Serbia's
[00:19:36] foreign policy,
[00:19:39] it does not mean turning away from
[00:19:42] Moscow, although we can say that the very act of Zelensky's
[00:19:46] arrival here is a kind of slap to Moscow,
[00:19:50] primarily a slap that comes from Kyiv and
[00:19:53] the European Union. What we specifically heard during
[00:19:57] these statements, during these addresses, is that Serbia
[00:20:01] will send additional humanitarian aid to Ukraine,
[00:20:04] mainly medicines, it will also send
[00:20:08] humanitarian aid in the form of uh
[00:20:11] elements for Ukraine's power
[00:20:14] system. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said
[00:20:17] that there is almost no power plant
[00:20:20] or power station in Ukraine that has not been damaged
[00:20:23] in these attacks. You rightly
[00:20:27] noticed Dušan that there was a drastic difference in tone and
[00:20:30] the content of the statements of the two presidents, so the Ukrainian
[00:20:34] president started his speech.
[00:20:39] with a report, not from the front, but a report on civilian casualties
[00:20:43] in the last 24 hours in Ukraine, so
[00:20:48] it is constant. In the very end, what
[00:20:52] he stated, that Ukraine actually has neither time nor can it
[00:20:56] afford to be skeptical about membership
[00:20:59] in the European Union, so obviously, both
[00:21:03] Zelensky and Vučić said that they had long discussed the topic
[00:21:07] of membership in the European Union, of course both countries will support
[00:21:10] each other on those paths, but unlike
[00:21:13] Ukraine, Aleksandar Vučić says there is
[00:21:17] great skepticism in Serbia, he himself
[00:21:20] expressed skepticism that either Serbia or Ukraine
[00:21:24] will ever become a member of that
[00:21:27] country in the near future. So, these are some forms of
[00:21:31] uh, that is, some things they discussed,
[00:21:34] which they communicated to journalists, what they actually
[00:21:37] discussed and did not communicate to journalists, we
[00:21:40] cannot even know at this moment. Again, Aleksandar Vučić claims
[00:21:44] there was no discussion at all about any forms of
[00:21:48] military cooperation on this occasion, that it
[00:21:51] is left for after the war, yes Aleksandra,
[00:21:55] as you said, Volodymyr Zelensky started about
[00:21:59] the situation from last night in Ukraine,
[00:22:02] while Aleksandar Vučić had a protocol stance, so
[00:22:06] he mentioned that Serbia and Ukraine are friendly countries, that Serbia
[00:22:09] supports the UN Charter, UN resolution, there is also
[00:22:13] support for EU integrations, as you said,
[00:22:17] however, the question of a Ukrainian journalist
[00:22:20] who asked him how Putin
[00:22:23] can be influenced to end this war was interesting,
[00:22:27] while Aleksandar Vučić in his response did not mention
[00:22:30] Vladimir Putin by name, but said that he cannot
[00:22:34] give serious assessments of when and how the
[00:22:37] war will end, that he would
[00:22:40] like the war to end tomorrow, but that it is not
[00:22:43] possible, so uh
[00:22:46] he avoided mentioning Russia in any way
[00:22:50] even in direct questions from Ukrainian journalists who
[00:22:53] mentioned uh Vladimir
[00:22:55] Putin.
[00:22:59] That's right, so he didn't mention Moscow, the Kremlin, or Putin in
[00:23:02] his statements, and you rightly noted that he actually
[00:23:05] avoided answering that question, he simply said that he cannot speculate
[00:23:09] how and when the war will end, but that he fears it will
[00:23:12] last a long time, a long time, it would probably
[00:23:16] not be questionable to mention Russia and Putin. in front of
[00:23:20] Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky who came here on an
[00:23:23] official visit, so perhaps it wouldn't be,
[00:23:27] I don't know if it would be according to protocol, but it certainly wouldn't be according to
[00:23:30] some kind of good manners,
[00:23:34] again, it is completely clear from the content of what was
[00:23:37] stated that, you know, the policy will not change, also Aleksandar
[00:23:41] Vučić did not say we will never impose sanctions on Russia,
[00:23:45] which is something he never fails to say every time
[00:23:48] he mentions, and in the past, that Serbia respects
[00:23:52] the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine, this
[00:23:56] time the emphasis was precisely on this first part, as well as on the fact that
[00:23:59] Ukraine respects the territorial integrity of Serbia and
[00:24:03] does not recognize Kosovo. Volodymyr Zelensky said that this
[00:24:06] policy will not change, that Ukraine will not recognize
[00:24:09] Kosovo, that it will respect the territorial integrity of Serbia as it
[00:24:13] respects the territorial integrity of all other members of the United Nations and
[00:24:17] finally demands that its own also be respected.
[00:24:21] Aleksandra, thank you very much for this report, Aleksandra reported
[00:24:24] from the Palace of Serbia. And
[00:24:27] about how Washington sees this visit,
[00:24:31] especially the mention of European media,
[00:24:34] the role of Christopher Hill, former US ambassador in connecting
[00:24:37] Belgrade and Kyiv on the issue of weapons, Edward Joseph
[00:24:41] from John Hopkins University spoke
[00:24:44] about that to N1 earlier. Let's watch
[00:24:47] that too. Mr. Joseph, thank you very much. Mr.
[00:24:51] Joseph, thank you for speaking to
[00:24:53] N1.
[00:24:56] I'm glad to be with you, Dusan.
[00:24:59] Mr. Joseph, Zelensky is coming to Serbia, various
[00:25:03] topics are on the table, how do you see this
[00:25:06] visit, especially considering
[00:25:09] that it comes at a time when Ukraine says it
[00:25:13] lacks weapons to defend itself from
[00:25:15] Russia.
[00:25:19] First of all. "This is a very important visit and no one
[00:25:23] should doubt that, and when all is said and
[00:25:27] done, it is very positive, because first of all it sends a very
[00:25:30] important message across Serbia, but
[00:25:34] to Serbia's neighbors, that there is no
[00:25:37] chance that Russia will win this
[00:25:40] war, because why would Belgrade,
[00:25:44] why would President Vučić invite
[00:25:47] the president of a country that will lose the war,
[00:25:51] so, anyone in Serbia who is pro-Russian
[00:25:53] oriented, anyone in Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro,
[00:25:57] anywhere in the neighborhood, even in Bulgaria, who thinks
[00:26:00] that Russia will somehow
[00:26:04] win, I think that President Zelensky's visit
[00:26:08] sends a strong message that this
[00:26:11] is simply not the case, that he is actually
[00:26:14] a winner, from the NATO summit
[00:26:17] he emerged as a winner, which President
[00:26:20] Trump and other allies in NATO recognized, as an increasingly
[00:26:24] strong leader of an exceptional and resilient country,
[00:26:27] but with all that, Dušan, this visit will not
[00:26:31] change Serbia's position. It will not change the way
[00:26:35] President Vučić manipulates the situation
[00:26:38] with his relationship with Vladimir Putin
[00:26:40] and Russia. Yes,
[00:26:44] so what does this visit bring to Aleksandar
[00:26:47] Vučić? Well, for him it's,
[00:26:50] you see, a matter of prestige. Let's not forget, President
[00:26:54] Zelensky is one of the
[00:26:57] most recognizable,
[00:26:59] certainly one of the most respected
[00:27:02] personalities in the world, he occupies a
[00:27:05] very prominent place on the world stage, he met
[00:27:09] with President Trump several times in the Oval Office, he was
[00:27:13] in the center of attention at
[00:27:15] the recent NATO summit, he was a star there
[00:27:19] where he gave a speech, so, for President
[00:27:22] Vučić, this represents recognition and
[00:27:26] prestige, especially at a time when he continues to face
[00:27:29] serious protests and
[00:27:33] widespread opposition from Serbian citizens
[00:27:36] to his rule, so, there is a
[00:27:39] prestige factor there, but no one should be
[00:27:43] under the illusion that this will somehow
[00:27:47] change Serbia's stance, even President Vučić stated
[00:27:50] that Serbia will not change its stance
[00:27:54] on sanctions against Russia, so, there should be no
[00:27:58] illusions about that, but despite that, this
[00:28:01] is, yes... a very significant visit, yes, but how will he
[00:28:05] explain that to his pro-Russian voters who make up the majority of his
[00:28:08] voters, how will he explain this visit,
[00:28:12] do you expect that, that yes
[00:28:16] continue, yes, sorry, he already
[00:28:19] started explaining that he is playing
[00:28:22] the Kosovo card and saying, well,
[00:28:26] look, Ukraine does not recognize
[00:28:30] Kosovo, and Kosovo was not present at the meetings in
[00:28:33] Kyiv, so President Vučić will present it that way,
[00:28:37] but that is not an argument, it is not a
[00:28:40] strong argument anywhere, because first of all, there is absolutely
[00:28:44] no comparison between NATO
[00:28:48] bombing in 1999 and Russian actions against
[00:28:51] Ukraine, starting from 2014,
[00:28:54] as well as this difficult,
[00:28:57] brutal aggression that continues
[00:29:01] with night bombing of Kyiv with direct targeting
[00:29:04] of civilian targets in Ukraine and civilian
[00:29:08] infrastructure. So, that
[00:29:11] argument cannot pass. What's more,
[00:29:14] when these two cases are compared, Vladimir Putin is
[00:29:18] the one who benefits from such a
[00:29:21] comparison. Vladimir Putin is the one who tries
[00:29:24] to make an argument. Look, NATO did it to
[00:29:27] Serbia, I can do it to Ukraine. And as some in
[00:29:30] Serbia have noticed. it represents a tacit recognition
[00:29:34] of Kosovo by Vladimir Putin, but
[00:29:38] the German Faz states that one of the topics will be the opening,
[00:29:41] i.e., the possibility of building a drone factory in
[00:29:45] Serbia, do you think that is at all possible given
[00:29:48] the relationship between Belgrade and Moscow, and how
[00:29:52] Moscow would react to
[00:29:55] I would not rule out
[00:29:59] the possibility that it is possible, I don't know if
[00:30:02] that will actually happen, Serbia
[00:30:05] had previously concluded an agreement with an
[00:30:08] Israeli company regarding the production of
[00:30:12] drones, but that is certainly
[00:30:15] a possibility. Ukraine has shown impressive
[00:30:18] resilience, which is precisely why Serbs, i.e.,
[00:30:22] all Serbs who harbor some support for Russia or
[00:30:26] Vladimir Putin should rethink that.
[00:30:29] Russia is a declining country, all it does
[00:30:33] is send thousands of people, thousands of young
[00:30:36] Russians to their death for a futile goal, it is a country that
[00:30:40] is declining. Ukraine, on the other hand,
[00:30:44] is a globally recognized leader in drone technology, and
[00:30:47] that is why it is a strong reason for those in
[00:30:50] Serbia who still hold some
[00:30:54] strange pro-Russian sympathies to
[00:30:58] change their minds.