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[00:00:00] that this is possible, I don't know if it will
[00:00:03] actually happen. Serbia previously
[00:00:06] signed an agreement with an Israeli company
[00:00:10] regarding the production of
[00:00:12] drones, but
[00:00:15] Serbia and Ukraine have that is certainly a possibility. Ukraine has shown impressive
[00:00:19] resilience, which is precisely why Serbs, or
[00:00:22] all Serbs who harbor a certain support for Russia or
[00:00:26] Vladimir Putin, should reconsider.
[00:00:30] Russia is a failing state, all it does is
[00:00:33] send thousands of people, thousands
[00:00:36] of young Russians to their deaths for a futile goal, it is
[00:00:40] a country that is failing.
[00:00:42] Ukraine, on the other hand, is a globally recognized leader in
[00:00:45] drone technology, and that is a
[00:00:48] strong reason for those in Serbia who still
[00:00:52] cling to some strange pro-Russian
[00:00:56] sympathies to change their minds.
[00:01:00] So, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that this will be one of the topics
[00:01:03] of discussion, but I don't know if it is one of the main points on the
[00:01:06] agenda. Yes, one of the main things in this phase of the text is
[00:01:10] a part, or an interview with Christopher
[00:01:13] Hill, the former American ambassador to Serbia, in which
[00:01:17] he says that he helped, that he played a big role in
[00:01:20] the relations between Serbia and Ukraine, that he asked the government
[00:01:24] of Serbia about the ammunition needed by Ukraine,
[00:01:27] and then that the US started to buy that ammunition and
[00:01:33] completely changed and to eventually send it to Ukraine. This therefore represents confirmation that
[00:01:37] something was happening, that it is happening, now we know who was
[00:01:40] the man who represented that connection between
[00:01:43] Ukraine and Serbia. How do you see
[00:01:46] his role, the role of Christopher
[00:01:50] Hill?
[00:01:53] Well, I wouldn't bring this up if you hadn't directly
[00:01:56] pointed it out, and I think there are two
[00:02:00] elements here: firstly, Dušan,
[00:02:02] the fact is that there was no serious
[00:02:06] Russian reaction to
[00:02:09] of rapid information, we prioritize Serbian ammunition reaching Ukraine via
[00:02:13] third countries, but that's not even important, that Serbian
[00:02:17] ammunition reaches Ukraine, which is significant
[00:02:20] and very useful for
[00:02:23] Ukraine. The absence of any serious Russian
[00:02:27] reaction should send a message to everyone in Serbia
[00:02:30] that Russia is very weak, that Russia is very
[00:02:34] weak, that Vladimir Putin is weak, that Serbia could
[00:02:37] do more, that Serbia could already today
[00:02:41] free itself from Russian influence, Russia Today, Sputnik and
[00:02:44] other malignant sources of Russian influence,
[00:02:48] and even impose sanctions without
[00:02:51] any serious challenge, because the issue of
[00:02:54] ammunition is extremely serious. So,
[00:02:57] that's the first thing. Secondly, you asked me directly about
[00:03:01] American policy regarding this. You see, the fact is
[00:03:05] the following: The Biden administration missed
[00:03:08] a great opportunity, not only to ensure that Serbian ammunition reached
[00:03:12] Ukraine, but to firmly bring Serbia
[00:03:15] into the unified European and American camp when it
[00:03:19] comes to Russia. That opportunity arose when
[00:03:22] Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine in
[00:03:25] 2022. That was the moment for it,
[00:03:29] not to try to convince them later. Look, Serbia earns
[00:03:33] a lot of money from that ammunition, so it's not
[00:03:36] about some kind of charitable gift, but the Biden
[00:03:39] administration missed a golden opportunity to tell Serbia
[00:03:43] what it should have told it, together with partners from the European
[00:03:46] Union in February, March, and even April
[00:03:50] of 2022. Look, everyone must
[00:03:54] choose a side, there is no more
[00:03:58] balancing or...
[00:04:00] on the side of freedom in Europe, the freedom of states to
[00:04:04] choose their strategic orientation, or you are on the side of the aggressor, and
[00:04:08] you must choose. You are a candidate for membership in the European
[00:04:11] Union. The states of the European Union could have pointed this out
[00:04:15] to President Vučić, you must choose. Instead,
[00:04:18] the US did nothing similar, and then they got what they
[00:04:22] got. Allow me to finish, Dušan, by saying
[00:04:26] that Serbia continued to support Russia in many ways: refusal
[00:04:30] to impose sanctions, signing a friendship agreement at the
[00:04:33] UN with Foreign Minister Lavrov, and continuing
[00:04:37] to poison the region with pro-Russian narratives.
[00:04:40] So, this was not a triumph of American diplomacy, it
[00:04:44] was a missed golden opportunity.
[00:04:48] Yes, and what will be the reaction of the European Union then? We know that
[00:04:51] Belgrade expects some kind of progress in European
[00:04:54] integration. Can we then expect the opening of
[00:04:58] cluster 3, which includes competitiveness, science,
[00:05:01] education? It seems that for Belgrade, any progress, especially
[00:05:05] before the elections, would be
[00:05:08] beneficial for the current government. At the same time,
[00:05:12] Serbia does not fulfill what it has already opened
[00:05:16] with the European Union, chapter, or rather cluster
[00:05:19] one, which refers to basic fundamental
[00:05:22] rights. How do you think Brussels will react to
[00:05:26] this, and what will Belgrade demand
[00:05:30] from
[00:05:31] Brussels after this?
[00:05:35] I think that is a very justified
[00:05:38] question, Dušan, and I think, in my opinion, if
[00:05:42] you want me to predict that Russia will recognize that
[00:05:46] this is positive, Brussels will further
[00:05:49] demand that Serbia fulfill
[00:05:52] its obligations, these obligations are
[00:05:55] very, very serious. I think that
[00:05:58] in Brussels they noticed a dramatic
[00:06:01] setback in democracy in
[00:06:04] Serbia, pressure on
[00:06:07] journalists, unheard of pressure on
[00:06:10] journalists, as well as this playing with
[00:06:14] laws and the judiciary. I don't think
[00:06:17] Brussels will be convinced. I think that of course this is
[00:06:20] a positive move, that it will be positively
[00:06:23] received, but I don't think that the countries that opposed
[00:06:27] the opening of cluster 3 will be
[00:06:30] fooled and change their stance. Mr. Jozef,
[00:06:34] thank you for speaking to
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[00:14:05] We continue to analyze the visit of Volodymyr Zelenskyy to Belgrade,
[00:14:09] what it means for Serbia, as well as whether it represents a certain change in
[00:14:13] foreign policy. Our colleague Aleksandra Godfroa
[00:14:16] spoke earlier with political scientist Boris
[00:14:19] Varga. Mr. Varga, thank you for speaking
[00:14:23] to N1. So, Ukrainian President Volodymyr
[00:14:27] Zelenskyy has arrived in Serbia. What does this visit mean
[00:14:30] and who needs it more,
[00:14:32] in fact?
[00:14:35] Well, Zelenskyy in Belgrade is a clear sign that Putin is not winning
[00:14:39] the war in Ukraine. In the
[00:14:42] last three years, somewhere from mid-2023,
[00:14:44] there have been more than 10
[00:14:48] political contacts between Zelenskyy and Vučić,
[00:14:51] considering various meetings on the sidelines
[00:14:55] of summits and telephone conversations, but this is certainly
[00:14:58] the first official visit.
[00:15:01] Both countries do not have high
[00:15:05] expectations from direct cooperation between Ukraine and
[00:15:08] Serbia. However, in an indirect sense, there is
[00:15:12] a very great interest.
[00:15:15] For Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian army, Serbia is important because
[00:15:19] of the weapons acquired through
[00:15:21] intermediaries, and Vučić needs support in the
[00:15:25] West, in the United States of America and the European
[00:15:28] Union, especially now before the elections, because
[00:15:32] autocracy in Serbia is no longer being
[00:15:36] ignored, and the electoral
[00:15:39] process, by all accounts, will not meet
[00:15:42] the standards that Western
[00:15:45] partners expect from Vučić. Hmm, and what common interests,
[00:15:49] points of contact, and areas do
[00:15:52] on which they could further build their
[00:15:55] relations?
[00:15:58] Well, from the perspective
[00:16:02] of Ukraine, Serbia
[00:16:06] is viewed as a state,
[00:16:09] a complete ally of Moscow. Zelenskyy's
[00:16:13] visit to Serbia is celebrated as another
[00:16:16] international victory
[00:16:19] of Ukraine over Putin. Ukraine and
[00:16:22] Serbia are candidate states in the European
[00:16:26] Union. In a way, they are
[00:16:29] rivals there. But cooperation and simultaneous
[00:16:32] competition in that direction towards
[00:16:35] the EU would be the most healthy and
[00:16:38] most beneficial for both countries:
[00:16:42] cooperation in arms trade, i.e., ammunition
[00:16:46] of the former Soviet type. Then there's energy, that's
[00:16:49] the electrical industry that Russia is constantly
[00:16:53] destroying in Ukraine every day.
[00:16:56] That is the potential
[00:16:59] of, of course, Ukrainian-Serbian cooperation. Then free
[00:17:03] trade. There are new military technologies
[00:17:07] that the war in Ukraine
[00:17:11] which Europe is massively transitioning.
[00:17:14] These are the IT sector, drones, artificial intelligence.
[00:17:17] Of course, it's a good chance for Serbia to jump on
[00:17:21] that train too. And do you, do you notice
[00:17:25] a change in Serbia's foreign policy towards Ukraine
[00:17:29] in the last year?
[00:17:31] No,
[00:17:35] Serbia will continue to foster Russophilia
[00:17:38] in its society, which
[00:17:42] is a historical constant, regardless of who
[00:17:45] will be at the head of Russia, whether it will
[00:17:49] fight with Ukraine. The only
[00:17:53] thing that leaves that bitter taste
[00:17:56] in a way generally
[00:18:00] among a part of, shall I say,
[00:18:03] politically aligned voters in
[00:18:06] Serbia, is support for Putin
[00:18:10] in the campaign against Ukraine. This lack of understanding
[00:18:12] of why Ukrainians have the right to decide their own destiny
[00:18:16] and to defend themselves. However, all these are consequences
[00:18:20] of not confronting the wars of the 90s, because
[00:18:23] of which Serbia today still has a similar attitude towards
[00:18:27] its neighbors, as Russia. Mhm, towards
[00:18:30] Ukraine. When we talk about Russia, Ukraine,
[00:18:34] Ukrainian media wrote before this visit,
[00:18:37] they cited an unnamed diplomat, that the visit is symbolic
[00:18:40] and that Kyiv needs to, let's say,
[00:18:43] pull Serbia out of Moscow's
[00:18:47] embrace.
[00:18:51] Well, that's what
[00:18:55] I said, that in a way someone
[00:18:58] will portray that Ukraine will celebrate
[00:19:02] Zelenskyy's arrival as its
[00:19:05] victory. Moscow's reaction will always
[00:19:09] be sharp to any cooperation between Belgrade and
[00:19:12] Kyiv, however, Russia will not
[00:19:16] cool relations with Serbia because it is not
[00:19:19] in that position now.
[00:19:23] Vučić is aware of that and that's why he
[00:19:26] is quietly turning towards the West, because he currently
[00:19:29] needs more support from the United States of America and the European Union
[00:19:33] than the support of isolated Putin, General.
[00:19:37] No, Putin needs Serbia more than
[00:19:41] Vučić needs corruption right now. Considering
[00:19:43] the entire internal and foreign policy situation
[00:19:47] with the crisis that has been ongoing for two years in
[00:19:51] Serbia due to student and civilian protests,
[00:19:54] Vučić currently needs the West
[00:19:57] more and he needs the West.
[00:20:00] However, the picture will change significantly
[00:20:04] immediately before the announced elections in Serbia,
[00:20:08] when from the progressives
[00:20:10] and Vučić we will have
[00:20:14] a full-day Russophile, a full-day
[00:20:18] pro-Russian will fight for every
[00:20:21] vote, it will again mobilize the right wing with the worst
[00:20:25] Russophile, Putinophile propaganda,
[00:20:28] as in spring 2022,
[00:20:31] when the war in Ukraine began and when
[00:20:35] everything seemed in the media
[00:20:38] as if Serbia was on the side of the aggressor and
[00:20:41] Russia. So, on the one hand, Belgrade prefers
[00:20:44] that this visit takes place now, not somewhere
[00:20:48] sada, ne negde.
[00:20:51] in the electoral process, meaning there will
[00:20:54] be time to mitigate the effect of this visit
[00:20:56] for those
[00:21:00] citizens who are pro-Russian,
[00:21:03] or rather, Russophiles,
[00:21:05] and to turn the story around. Hmm, and how do you interpret that,
[00:21:09] you see, Serbian President Aleksandar Vučić has met
[00:21:13] with Zelenskyy many times on the sidelines of various gatherings, he participated
[00:21:16] in the Ukraine-Southeast European summit. He did not
[00:21:20] sign the last two declarations, however, what
[00:21:23] caught the eye was that when he was in Odesa for that summit and when he was
[00:21:27] last in Kyiv, which summit coincided with Ukraine's Independence Day,
[00:21:31] he did not go, unlike all other
[00:21:34] participants, to lay flowers at the national memorials to Ukrainians
[00:21:38] who died defending their country.
[00:21:41] Why?
[00:21:43] Yes,
[00:21:46] that was very noticeable and everyone
[00:21:49] in the media noticed it, although such
[00:21:52] gestures look completely scandalous,
[00:21:54] they are morally unacceptable in
[00:21:57] such a tense international
[00:22:00] atmosphere and conditions of war in
[00:22:04] Europe. Such behavior by Vučić in
[00:22:07] Ukraine and in the West is still
[00:22:10] tolerated. Here, in this situation,
[00:22:13] the effectiveness of relations between Belgrade and Kyiv
[00:22:17] is measured, not the way it was achieved.
[00:22:21] It is important to have Serbia and Vučić
[00:22:24] on your side. And
[00:22:27] finally, what do you think Moscow's reaction will be? You said
[00:22:31] it would be harsh to this meeting, but should Belgrade even
[00:22:34] deal with their harsh reactions, and to what
[00:22:38] extent, if so?
[00:22:40] It will
[00:22:43] certainly be harsh, and
[00:22:46] Belgrade has made all
[00:22:50] its positions clear, and Vučić is aware that he is
[00:22:53] more needed by Putin than
[00:22:56] Putin is by him, and he is also aware that
[00:23:00] Russia wants, just as Europe and the West want to
[00:23:03] keep, of course, Ukraine and
[00:23:07] Serbia on their side, just
[00:23:09] as Russia still sees Serbia
[00:23:13] as that island from which
[00:23:15] it continues to operate
[00:23:19] and has that
[00:23:21] influence in the Western
[00:23:25] Balkans. So, Russia still counts on
[00:23:28] Serbia and that's how it will remain. The proof of that,
[00:23:31] the red line, is certainly not imposing
[00:23:35] sanctions on Russia, and I think
[00:23:38] there is a consensus in
[00:23:42] the West and in Russia and in Serbia
[00:23:45] that this is indeed that red line, and I think that at least for now
[00:23:49] no one will ask Serbia to
[00:23:53] cross it, that is, to impose sanctions
[00:23:56] on Russia for some time.
[00:23:59] Mr. Varga, thank you very much for this
[00:24:01] interview.
[00:24:05] So, you have been following N1 live, dedicated to the visit
[00:24:08] of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to Serbia. Stay
[00:24:12] tuned to N1's news program, news will follow
[00:24:16] at 2 PM. Have a pleasant day.
[00:25:10] but humanely approached in order to
[00:25:14] rescue the injured persons
[00:25:17] as quickly as possible and transport them to
[00:25:20] appropriate institutions, but
[00:25:23] of course also to take all actions at
[00:25:26] the scene of the accident to prevent any
[00:25:30] potential fire and to prevent further
[00:25:33] incidents and accidents.
[00:25:36] I thank all security services, all components
[00:25:40] of the national
[00:25:41] security system.
[00:25:47] Thank you, after the questions.
[00:26:02] of the injured, do you have any more details or details, so
[00:26:06] here are all the services that were engaged, how the
[00:26:09] injured were transported
[00:26:12] and where they are, just step to the middle please if you can, stand
[00:26:16] by the microphones,
[00:26:17] that's it.
[00:26:20] The emergency medical service in this complex intervention
[00:26:24] intervened with seven of its ground teams from
[00:26:27] three counties, meaning that as this was a junction, teams from Zagreb
[00:26:31] County, Koprivnica-Križevci, and
[00:26:34] Bjelovar-Bilogora were engaged, and we also engaged
[00:26:37] the helicopter emergency medical service from Zagreb.
[00:26:41] In total, we examined 20
[00:26:44] patients, of whom six are seriously
[00:26:47] injured and they were transported for further treatment
[00:26:50] as priorities. Of those, three patients are at
[00:26:54] Rebro, one is in Dubrava, and
[00:26:57] one ended up in Bjelovar General
[00:27:00] Hospital because we estimated
[00:27:02] that his injuries were not that severe. The injuries
[00:27:06] were head injuries, spine injuries,
[00:27:09] chest injuries, those were the most severe, and
[00:27:13] all the others were actually minor injuries,
[00:27:17] superficial, abrasions, there's a lot of stress and so on, these are not
[00:27:20] patients who will require hospital treatment, is there
[00:27:24] any information, what we know for now
[00:27:27] is not, they are seriously injured, some have been admitted
[00:27:30] to intensive care, but we will know
[00:27:34] by the end of the examination for two whether they are
[00:27:37] currently life-threatening or not, for those with more
[00:27:41] serious injuries, what were the first information? Well, I don't
[00:27:45] have that information, for us they are patients, I don't
[00:27:48] count it like that.
[00:27:51] Chief
[00:27:59] could I just have your name and surname? Marijan Kirin. On
[00:28:03] behalf of the Koprivnica-Križevci Police Department, I would like to
[00:28:07] take this opportunity to thank all emergency services
[00:28:10] for their truly professional work
[00:28:13] in this truly exceptional situation, especially
[00:28:17] in terms of providing care for all injured
[00:28:21] persons, and what was the government's commitment to
[00:28:25] all emergency services in the best possible way. I also
[00:28:29] take this opportunity to thank the citizens.
[00:28:32] who, with their engagement, really
[00:28:36] contributed to the first measures
[00:28:39] of caring for the injured people. As for the
[00:28:42] investigation itself, at this moment we cannot prejudge
[00:28:46] anything. After safety conditions were established
[00:28:49] for the start and conduct of the investigation,
[00:28:53] it has now begun, and it is led by the deputy
[00:28:57] municipal state prosecutor's office in Bjelovar with
[00:29:00] the expert assistance of the police and
[00:29:03] the Agency for Investigation of Railway Accidents.
[00:29:06] All of this is done according to the existing
[00:29:09] protocol. After all facts are established, we
[00:29:13] will inform the public about everything. Are there any estimates of who will be
[00:29:16] traffic? That cannot
[00:29:19] be.
[00:29:27] I would like to thank the two
[00:29:30] county prefects and
[00:29:33] the prefect of Koprivnica-Križevci County and the prefect of Bjelovar-Bilogora
[00:29:37] County, because within the scope
[00:29:40] of the jurisdiction and actions of all our emergency
[00:29:43] services, both prefects, i.e., both
[00:29:46] counties, reacted in the shortest possible time
[00:29:49] with their local services and thus
[00:29:53] completed our entire
[00:29:55] system from
[00:29:59] fire departments to public
[00:30:02] health institutes, and they also put
[00:30:05] all other necessary services on standby that
[00:30:09] might eventually be needed in some
[00:30:12] scenarios. Therefore, I want to express
[00:30:15] my gratitude to the prefect of Koprivnica-Križevci County and the prefect of
[00:30:18] Bjelovar-Bilogora County for their engagement
[00:30:22] and the engagement of all their
[00:30:25] services within those
[00:30:27] counties.
[00:30:36] five minutes after 10 AM, a report came in from the 112 center
[00:30:40] to the public fire department in Križevci, when all available
[00:30:44] firefighting forces were immediately mobilized, here in the area of Sveti Ivan
[00:30:48] The public fire department of the city of Križevci was called
[00:30:51] to help, the public fire department of the city of Bjelovar, but
[00:30:55] a really large number of firefighters arrived at the intervention, so it was not necessary,
[00:30:59] they remained on standby.