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[00:00:00] in this century, literally of everyone, so if he
[00:00:03] gets angry because of being associated with
[00:00:07] being close to everyone, I mean, the fact
[00:00:10] is, you were close to everyone, I mean, you can't escape
[00:00:14] that, so it seems
[00:00:16] to me that we are watching a very interesting
[00:00:20] situation in the HDZ and
[00:00:23] it will be interesting how it will unfold in the next year or so, so not only
[00:00:27] that general picture, the relationship between the HDZ and the opposition,
[00:00:31] will the right manage, here's captain Igor Štimac to unite
[00:00:35] the right, to consolidate, will they manage to
[00:00:38] do something and thus save the HDZ in some way, it's interesting
[00:00:41] too, the HDZ used to work on breaking up
[00:00:45] the right, now they are actually, it seems to me, in
[00:00:48] a situation where they can only hope that it won't
[00:00:52] happen that the right
[00:00:54] goes to the elections atomized
[00:00:56] and stays somewhere below the electoral threshold, because those votes will mostly benefit
[00:01:00] the strongest electoral list, and that will
[00:01:03] as things stand in most electoral units be the electoral list
[00:01:07] of the Left. Most as
[00:01:10] a coalition partner of HDZ without Andrej Plenković
[00:01:13] that seems to us like a realistic option, the story with
[00:01:17] Most is terribly interesting, I
[00:01:20] believe, I have no information about it, I haven't started
[00:01:23] teasing them about it yet, but I believe there is
[00:01:26] this expectation.
[00:01:30] Uh, a situation where
[00:01:34] however, they did not at some point someone from Most might say that, uh, they are instructing
[00:01:38] the secretary to write the dismissal of Mr. Andrej Plenković or something
[00:01:42] similar, but I can
[00:01:44] imagine that Most will cooperate with the HDZ after the next
[00:01:48] elections, uh, I can even imagine that Most
[00:01:51] will cooperate with the Left after the next elections, much less likely than that it will
[00:01:55] cooperate with the HDZ, but I
[00:01:57] cannot imagine Most cooperating with Andrej Plenković. According to current
[00:02:01] numbers, without Most there is no majority for either, and now
[00:02:05] again, I say what will happen in a year or so, we will see.
[00:02:08] Well, the Homeland Movement and Domino remain as potential
[00:02:12] options, but only if we have a strong enough microscope to
[00:02:15] see their
[00:02:25] story whether the story about Gospić will somehow remain
[00:02:28] important to people. Important to citizens, important to the media, and
[00:02:32] still something that will be intensively followed. It seems
[00:02:35] that it will, given that we will clearly
[00:02:38] follow both the process of remediation and covering and
[00:02:42] communication. It's important because the story about Gospić
[00:02:46] is not the only story in Croatia concerning waste. Yes, that is, that is
[00:02:49] an additional problem, that is an additional problem, I mean, that
[00:02:53] is now a real problem for
[00:02:56] the whole society. The fact is that really around the issue of waste,
[00:03:00] that generally mm, panic has risen.
[00:03:03] I won't use the word "hysteria" because the HDZ has used
[00:03:07] and invalidated it, but
[00:03:10] panic has risen and now literally everyone who sees a bag of trash
[00:03:14] puts on a gas mask approximately. Uh,
[00:03:17] the reason for that is that no one trusts institutions anymore,
[00:03:20] unfortunately. How will this be resolved in the
[00:03:23] end, how will the state be able to position itself
[00:03:27] from this panic and chaos as someone who is mm...
[00:03:30] Uh, who can solve the problem, meaning
[00:03:33] to remediate everything that needs to be remediated, to build
[00:03:36] incinerators, or rather power plants, so that they can use
[00:03:40] that waste and use it as fuel actually in
[00:03:43] Croatia, which is routinely done in developed
[00:03:46] countries. That is a big question, that is one
[00:03:49] of the nasty consequences
[00:03:52] of the affair that happened in Gospić, with these
[00:03:56] political political consequences...
[00:04:00] the HDZ will have to deal with these immediate consequences, yes, the story of
[00:04:03] Gospić will certainly remain a topic, the story of waste will certainly remain a topic,
[00:04:07] maybe not, almost certainly not with such intensity as it is now,
[00:04:11] because again, I say a year and a half is a lot of time,
[00:04:14] but it will not be a non-issue in the 2028
[00:04:18] elections, mhm, even though, for example, the ruling party, Jasmine,
[00:04:21] the story of reconstruction, regardless of the fact that Branko Bačić went to save
[00:04:25] his own government and other party
[00:04:28] colleagues managed to turn it around in their favor in the end, precisely because
[00:04:32] uh
[00:04:34] something actually started to be done on the ground, well, it was illusory but
[00:04:38] it lasted disgracefully long, it continues to last, but it lasted incredibly long, those are not my words, those are the words
[00:04:41] of Andrej Plenković, so
[00:04:45] that
[00:04:49] uh now in this situation it can
[00:04:51] be said that because of the story of reconstruction the HDZ has no political
[00:04:54] damage, nor political benefit
[00:04:56] for sure, but no damage. I do not believe
[00:05:00] that this can be done with Gospić, I do not believe, because the reconstruction
[00:05:04] was delayed only due to disorganization, yes,
[00:05:08] primarily due to disorganization. Gospić happened due to
[00:05:10] corruption. "And
[00:05:14] I don't think that story can be remediated by putting someone like
[00:05:17] Branko Bačić in charge, and that processes would, let's remove Branko
[00:05:21] Bačić, okay, all due respect, but processes would
[00:05:24] start, maybe a tiny bit slower, but they would start even if someone else
[00:05:27] was minister, because it simply took time to
[00:05:31] change laws, to prepare, to implement this and that, and it was to be expected that
[00:05:34] at some point it would finally start with the reconstruction of
[00:05:38] buildings. But I'm saying the story of Gospić, in its very essence, is
[00:05:42] different..." because it's clearly about
[00:05:44] corruption, because it's about the inaction of institutions, and because it's about endangering
[00:05:48] the health of citizens in the end, uh.
[00:05:51] And what do you think, all these situations that come out
[00:05:55] in that atmosphere, it's very important in what atmosphere they come out,
[00:05:59] for example, the sister of this boy from Zadar, we called,
[00:06:02] the system was aware, they didn't take us seriously, this horrific
[00:06:06] murder in Slatina, mhm, the police were there
[00:06:10] 20 minutes before, so all those, not to mention... we clearly remember
[00:06:13] the Drniš case. The first thing is that things in Croatia only happen
[00:06:17] when some big trouble or tragedy occurs, then
[00:06:21] life sentences are introduced, new criminal offenses and so on,
[00:06:24] however, it is obvious that the matter is poorly organized, that
[00:06:28] there is no prevention, someone always gets stuck somewhere in that chain
[00:06:31] in this atmosphere, how much additional pressure
[00:06:35] it can create, and it certainly will create, because the system simply does not
[00:06:39] function, it will not start functioning just because... Andrej Plenković
[00:06:43] realizes he will lose the elections and then starts, then says "e,"
[00:06:47] he has that switch in his office, then he puts it from
[00:06:50] off to on and says "e, from now on everything works." It doesn't
[00:06:53] work like that. For years, I've been talking to you about
[00:06:57] the fact that
[00:07:00] partisan occupation of institutions
[00:07:03] and the exclusion of political responsibility as a concept at all in
[00:07:06] Croatia will result in the collapse of institutions.
[00:07:10] These are the consequences, the consequences. These terrible
[00:07:13] consequences, all these terrible cases are a consequence of the fact that
[00:07:17] institutions do not function, they do not function because there is no
[00:07:21] responsibility, no one is to blame for anything, at the head is always
[00:07:24] some party obedient who considers having a party
[00:07:27] membership card the most important thing, so now the chief state
[00:07:30] inspector, after all, Plenković again appointed a man from
[00:07:34] the HDZ.
[00:07:37] The scientific council, is the biggest problem in this whole story
[00:07:40] the absolute collapse of institutions, so people no longer believe when
[00:07:44] someone says "that institute, that institute," he said,
[00:07:48] he said, this is truly being questioned precisely from that position, I say it's even
[00:07:52] not important which party it is, would it be the same if it was some other
[00:07:55] one, but all of them are theirs.
[00:07:59] Yes, uh, that is a big problem for for for for
[00:08:03] social balance, of course it is, but that will not change with
[00:08:06] a scientific council for waste management in Gospić, and
[00:08:10] it is logical that it will not change because "that council is led by
[00:08:14] a man who knows nothing about waste, I mean, he probably sorts it
[00:08:17] at home like everyone else, but that's where it
[00:08:20] ends. And why do you think that decision went in that
[00:08:24] direction, uh, because of petty-bourgeois mentality, because
[00:08:27] Plenković wanted the council
[00:08:30] to be led by the rector of the largest Zagreb
[00:08:33] university, that's weight, authority,
[00:08:37] the man got his doctorate on the topic of the influence of trams on tram
[00:08:40] tracks, what does he have to do with waste?"
[00:08:43] Absolutely nothing. Of course,
[00:08:47] uh, nothing will be believed, not what that council
[00:08:50] produces, and we have experience with the prime minister's
[00:08:53] councils, commissions and similar
[00:08:56] things, the commission for dealing with the
[00:08:59] consequences of totalitarian regimes was supposed to make it easier for
[00:09:03] Plenković to deal with the Ustaše salute, a few
[00:09:07] years later, fast forward, the police
[00:09:10] are securing mm...
[00:09:13] uh, fans who are restoring a graffiti with
[00:09:16] the Ustaše salute that they illegally drew in the center of
[00:09:20] Zagreb, the commission did an excellent job,
[00:09:23] I mean, it's not the commission's fault, but the question for the end is, in that atmosphere,
[00:09:26] let's say that there is a change of power in
[00:09:30] Croatia, uh, it won't be easy, we remember
[00:09:33] Jasmine, those gas cylinders and tents
[00:09:36] in Savska, in a much calmer, Split Riva
[00:09:40] in a much calmer atmosphere, now it's... the atmosphere has
[00:09:43] heated up, so de facto two years before the elections
[00:09:47] it's already heating up, it's been heating up for a long time, now it's heated up
[00:09:50] even more, but I mean, I want to
[00:09:54] say, let's say that the HDZ goes into opposition in some perspective,
[00:09:58] it certainly won't be a peaceful and decent
[00:10:00] opposition, well, I guess
[00:10:03] street street gatherings and
[00:10:06] protests, that's the decor of democracy, but of course
[00:10:10] Split Riva and... chestnut vendors once
[00:10:14] and Savska, all of that
[00:10:17] went beyond the framework of democracy, I will
[00:10:20] just say that I hope that whoever comes to power after this government will
[00:10:24] be aware that they will need
[00:10:28] that cat's fire to try
[00:10:31] to reset this system so that we can finally
[00:10:35] build a state, because what we don't have is a state, only because we have, what
[00:10:38] we have is a state only because we have a flag and
[00:10:42] a football team, the system has
[00:10:45] completely collapsed. We are following how
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[00:15:24] The illegal waste action in Gospić continues to cause political
[00:15:28] disputes, as well as resistance in areas where some of the waste should be
[00:15:31] transported. While answers are sought about responsibility for the case that went under the radar
[00:15:35] for years, a new plan to prevent similar cases comes from the Homeland
[00:15:39] Movement. Croatia could get several
[00:15:42] thousand armed rangers who would
[00:15:46] fight against green
[00:15:47] crime.
[00:15:50] Waste remediation in Gospić continued to raise tensions on the national
[00:15:54] political scene. You have five times larger contracts with people whom
[00:15:57] you have been spitting on for decades. The opposition and civil initiatives
[00:16:01] are still suspicious of the government's scientific council for the remediation of
[00:16:05] illegally dumped waste in the city.
[00:16:08] The head of the council and rector of the University of Zagreb says "who else
[00:16:11] but us." To the opposition's accusations, he replies, "why weren't they
[00:16:14] brave enough to offer us the whole story about that element that
[00:16:18] I, throughout this whole time, listened to others
[00:16:22] say, nothing of what we
[00:16:25] imagined would have been realized." Some of the waste has already caused reactions in
[00:16:29] areas where it was supposed to be delivered. In Raša yesterday,
[00:16:32] several hundred people protested against the announcement that about 300 tons
[00:16:36] of Gospić waste would be used in Holc. In Našice, a petition
[00:16:39] against waste delivery was launched with more than 3,000 signatures, and
[00:16:43] a protest is also announced for Saturday. The experts know that very well,
[00:16:47] they are familiar with
[00:16:50] uh, waste,
[00:16:53] they know that the waste is harmless, that's why they are
[00:16:57] acceptable, a company that produces cement in Croatia
[00:17:00] would not take over waste to
[00:17:03] help the government, but it took over waste and
[00:17:07] that kind of waste that can be used in
[00:17:11] their production process. The Gospić case
[00:17:14] will be discussed by the Committee for Internal Policy and National Security
[00:17:18] behind closed doors. There will be a closed session without
[00:17:21] cameras, without finding a situation where anyone
[00:17:25] can object that someone wants to profit from
[00:17:29] politicking or similar. What interests me the most
[00:17:33] are the GDU's answers regarding
[00:17:35] that. If you knew in 2023,
[00:17:39] or rather, your people, you weren't even the chief state attorney yet, how is
[00:17:43] it possible that you didn't stop it, what
[00:17:45] are you waiting for, the jubilee 2000th
[00:17:48] truck? One thing is remediation, another
[00:17:52] is responsibility, and a third is how to prevent a new Gospić. Mlinarić says
[00:17:56] there has been a solution for a long time. We offered
[00:17:59] a solution a year
[00:18:03] and a half ago in the form of establishing a
[00:18:05] ranger service or... green police, whatever
[00:18:09] you want, because there is a large range
[00:18:13] from municipal warden to
[00:18:16] inspectorate. Rangers would, according to the proposal
[00:18:19] of the Homeland Movement, monitor illegal waste disposal, as well as
[00:18:23] protected areas. Green
[00:18:25] crime causes 550 to 650
[00:18:29] million euros of damage annually
[00:18:33] in Croatia. Five regional offices,
[00:18:36] ranger services. "Headquarters in Zagreb,
[00:18:39] we plan several dozen ranger
[00:18:42] stations, the initial plan indicates, international
[00:18:45] formulas tell you that about 3,500 to 4,500
[00:18:49] rangers would be enough for Croatia, you forgot to say, Željko,
[00:18:53] my friend, that the rangers would be
[00:18:56] armed, that they would not walk
[00:19:00] with their hands in their pockets. Vuković claims that rangers would
[00:19:03] relieve the police and the inspectorate who are already working with a shortage of people, but
[00:19:07] where? "To find thousands of new armed rangers, that they would be
[00:19:10] taken precisely from these already under-capacitated
[00:19:13] systems." Mateo Keller, N1,
[00:19:16] Zagreb.
[00:19:19] The topic of Gospić is, of course, and rightly so, not
[00:19:23] only Gospić, still one of the main topics in Croatia,
[00:19:26] however, today it will be indirectly discussed in the European Parliament
[00:19:30] in a debate that concerns
[00:19:33] the impact of toxic waste on the citizens
[00:19:37] of the European Union. Croatia and Gospić were not explicitly
[00:19:40] mentioned, although Gordan
[00:19:43] Bosanac from Možemo wanted them to be, but it did not
[00:19:46] happen. However, it will be discussed at three
[00:19:57] in the European Parliament, however, perhaps not
[00:20:00] named as it was
[00:20:03] originally conceived. Now the only question is how much focus will be on
[00:20:07] what is happening in Croatia, and it concerns cross-border
[00:20:10] waste. It is certainly, I mean, it is obviously a broader story than
[00:20:14] just Croatia. Dangerous waste is imported from
[00:20:18] other member states of the European Union. That's right. So,
[00:20:21] first of all, we are glad that we managed that my
[00:20:25] colleague, our MEP Gordan Bosanac managed
[00:20:29] to put that discussion in the European Parliament, that it
[00:20:32] will be held today, despite the fact that
[00:20:35] the IPP and HDZ together with them
[00:20:38] actually wanted to prevent it, in the end they
[00:20:42] somewhat succeeded in that, in a way
[00:20:45] that the case of Croatia and
[00:20:49] the case
[00:20:53] of Gospić are no longer mentioned in the very title of that discussion, which actually shows that their
[00:20:57] goal all along is not to remediate the problem that has
[00:21:00] arisen, but to remediate the political damage.
[00:21:03] However, we will have that discussion today. Well, they are remediating the problem, but they are probably also remediating the damage. I mean, the two processes can go
[00:21:07] in parallel, real. We have been hearing for
[00:21:11] months about how the remediation
[00:21:14] will begin. We have been hearing about how there is no,
[00:21:18] that they have not offered today who is responsible
[00:21:22] and to this day we actually do not have a complete plan of how all this
[00:21:25] will turn out, when all this will be finished, and most importantly,
[00:21:29] how will institutions in the future prevent
[00:21:32] this problem from arising, because if there are no responsible parties, if
[00:21:36] no one is responsible, who will then prevent such a problem
[00:21:40] from repeating? That is the point of the story. However, to return to
[00:21:43] the discussion in the European Parliament, so today
[00:21:46] we will certainly point out that
[00:21:49] the citizens of Gospić have the right to demand from both European
[00:21:53] institutions and Croatia responsibility that
[00:21:56] Croatia cannot and must not become a dump for European
[00:21:59] waste, and otherwise to see how,
[00:22:03] financially, and also regarding remediation, the European
[00:22:06] Union, uh, that is, the European Parliament, can
[00:22:10] help. What has certainly been shown is that Croatia
[00:22:13] did not have good oversight in this
[00:22:16] case. From all that deregulation,
[00:22:20] it happened that 38,000 tons
[00:22:23] of waste ended up illegally in Gospić, and that is a clear
[00:22:26] message that oversight needs to be strengthened and that the member states from
[00:22:30] which that waste came must also
[00:22:33] also participate in that. Uh, I think that
[00:22:37] the question is not why we have a discussion in the European Parliament today, but
[00:22:40] for example, why don't we have it in the European Council where the Prime Minister,
[00:22:44] or rather a representative of the government, sits. Uh, so
[00:22:48] I don't know if the Croatian Prime Minister Plenković
[00:22:52] asked his colleagues Meloni and Angela
[00:22:55] Merkel how it is that their waste
[00:22:58] ended up in our country and what urgent measures
[00:23:02] he will take with them to prevent this from happening again.
[00:23:05] So, the European Council is precisely for such discussions and
[00:23:09] I think that is the place where there should have also been a discussion
[00:23:13] about waste in Croatia. What messages
[00:23:16] did we hear yesterday from the president
[00:23:20] of the European Commission? Her speech has been analyzed since
[00:23:23] yesterday morning. Did you hear anything that sounded
[00:23:27] convincing or concrete to you?
[00:23:29] Well, perhaps the only surprise was the question
[00:23:33] of Canada, the accession
[00:23:35] of, uh, the potential accession of Canada as an associate member
[00:23:39] of the European Union, although as in other topics, it seems to me that
[00:23:43] a lot was said,
[00:23:46] however, there was a lack of specificity, so we don't
[00:23:49] know. Uh, in what, in what exact format would,
[00:23:52] for example, Canada join, although of course, that
[00:23:56] is, in my opinion, a positive outcome,
[00:23:59] because I think in this constellation of forces
[00:24:02] as we have a duopoly, uh, on one side,
[00:24:06] the dominance of the USA and China, I think that
[00:24:09] the European Union must find its way with other
[00:24:13] countries that will share basic
[00:24:16] values that are currently very much threatened in
[00:24:19] the world. "And those are values, first and foremost, the protection
[00:24:23] of democracy, an international order that is
[00:24:26] severely damaged, which our
[00:24:29] citizens fear, and I think that we should connect
[00:24:32] with countries that could together, uh,
[00:24:35] could, uh, perhaps put things back on a better, uh,
[00:24:39] better path. Whether it will be better, of course, remains
[00:24:42] to be seen, but we must try. So, that, and of course
[00:24:45] economic cooperation, can be positive,
[00:24:49] certainly. Positive steps. So, that
[00:24:52] is the only surprise for me. What I think was
[00:24:56] the most unpleasant surprise for me was, perhaps not even a
[00:24:59] surprise, because we saw that European leaders, for example, did not
[00:25:03] react, or rather, they were silent,
[00:25:06] on this unacceptable celebration
[00:25:10] of war criminal Ratko Mladić that we saw in
[00:25:14] Serbia. Yesterday, we heard von der Leyen
[00:25:18] finally condemn it in the most public
[00:25:21] way possible, that celebration of a war criminal in
[00:25:24] Serbia. However, what was also seen there
[00:25:28] that she did not say what the sanctions would be,
[00:25:32] what the consequences would be, so there won't be any, if there are
[00:25:35] uh, which means that actually they judged the phenomenon, and
[00:25:39] they saved a party colleague from the EPP,
[00:25:43] we just need to see now, will she visit
[00:25:46] Belgrade before the elections, she's going on a tour.
[00:25:50] tour, so that would be a very terrible message
[00:25:53] to do that, it's not known yet, however,
[00:25:57] however, we asked for clear sanctions and I think that
[00:26:00] is the message that the European Union needs to have sent long ago regarding
[00:26:04] the question, first only the spokeswoman
[00:26:07] addressed it, you remember that, exactly, so the spokeswoman
[00:26:10] addressed it, first, that was
[00:26:13] completely inappropriate, inadequate
[00:26:17] and then only under public
[00:26:20] pressure, among other things I wrote a letter as
[00:26:23] the president of the committee for European affairs
[00:26:27] to von der Leyen, where I said that the silence of both
[00:26:31] her and other European
[00:26:33] institutions regarding the unacceptable
[00:26:36] celebration of the war criminal Ratko Mladić
[00:26:39] who is responsible for the genocide in
[00:26:42] Srebrenica, who is responsible for terrible crimes in Bosnia and Herzegovina,
[00:26:46] for crimes against Croatian citizens in Šibenik,
[00:26:49] Zadar, Škabrinja, Sinj, Knin,
[00:26:52] so, these are terrible crimes that he committed
[00:26:56] and which the European Union has now
[00:26:59] actually tacitly approved, or rather... it did not
[00:27:03] sanction it in any way, then a reaction came, however,
[00:27:07] where is the essence of the story? The essence of the story is that we,
[00:27:10] for example, demanded clear sanctions, so that negotiations with Serbia
[00:27:13] would be broken off, because we think that the European Union
[00:27:17] needs to send a message that regimes that celebrate war criminals
[00:27:21] are unacceptable to the European Union,
[00:27:24] which, for example, turn democracies into autocracies,
[00:27:28] which undermine media freedom and so on. I think that should be
[00:27:32] a very clear message from the European Union,
[00:27:36] react to that and we see that after
[00:27:39] everything, even Vučić remained
[00:27:43] a member of the EPP,
[00:27:46] why did that happen, well I think that they know what happened in
[00:27:49] Serbia, but I think that the silence is a result of the fact that
[00:27:53] they actually, instead of defending the values that European
[00:27:56] institutions should be doing, the other
[00:28:00] leaders of the countries prefer to make deals. from
[00:28:03] lithium to arms trade, that is unfortunately
[00:28:07] a problem that we have today in the European Union, meaning not only the economic
[00:28:11] problem that exists, but also the problem of political
[00:28:14] values, that we have institutions that
[00:28:17] do not defend them, that is what citizens expect.
[00:28:20] Porfirije was at the funeral, and for example
[00:28:24] yesterday Jandrović for the Left, this
[00:28:27] opportunistic Left, said that it was anti-national and
[00:28:31] Porfirian. "Well, I would return, that is, to what
[00:28:34] we also saw all the truth yesterday,
[00:28:38] that is -
[00:28:41] yes, I first asked the Prime Minister if he would expel Vučić from
[00:28:44] the European People's Party, because I think it is not
[00:28:47] acceptable in any European
[00:28:50] family for someone to sit with a party
[00:28:53] that in that way celebrates war
[00:28:56] criminals, he did not answer my question,
[00:29:00] I asked the same question to the Minister
[00:29:03] of Foreign Affairs, Mr. Grlić Radman, and
[00:29:07] he replied that we should let them
[00:29:10] resolve it within their family, so what is
[00:29:14] the message here? The message here is that things,
[00:29:17] unacceptable things, terrible things like genocide,
[00:29:20] that they talk about it in a way
[00:29:23] that it should be resolved within the family, I don't think it
[00:29:27] should be resolved within the family, but these are basic
[00:29:30] civilizational things that... demand strong
[00:29:34] condemnation and strong sanctions, after all, they are not the only ones, they cannot
[00:29:38] independently expel him from, I asked if they would
[00:29:41] request, they can request, then those
[00:29:45] eventual interests would be here and it's interesting, yesterday Željana Zovko was here on Novi Dan
[00:29:49] live from Strasbourg and at one point she said
[00:29:53] that it was bad or that she wanted
[00:29:56] values to be before minerals,
[00:29:59] that's what you're saying too. Yes, well look, then the only question is how
[00:30:03] that will be concretely translated, I think that values should be
[00:30:07] before minerals, but she is not in a party that can
[00:30:11] do that, that can say that
[00:30:14] given precisely such treatment, and Macron also sent
[00:30:18] a certain message in that sense, so I say European
[00:30:20] leaders have a problem, that's exactly what I said,
[00:30:24] today I think that European leaders mostly have a problem
[00:30:28] with maintaining
[00:30:30] their values and I said that in Parliament yesterday that it is a shame for European
[00:30:34] leaders that the day after everything
[00:30:38] we saw in Serbia uh that Macron receives
[00:30:41] Vučić for dinner and takes pictures
[00:30:44] on social media, so that is
[00:30:48] completely unacceptable, how did that
[00:30:52] yesterday's current affairs
[00:30:54] seem to you yesterday, well if I can just
[00:30:58] say for...