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[00:00:00] is currently a political message at a time when relations, as I
[00:00:03] mentioned, between Canada and the United States
[00:00:07] have changed. There is a trade war going on, and
[00:00:10] the situation is really tense. Relations are
[00:00:13] tense. The second topic, I mentioned there are two topics, the second
[00:00:17] topic of the day is much more specific. It
[00:00:19] directly concerns Croatia. At 3 PM, the European Parliament
[00:00:22] will discuss illegal cross-border traffic and
[00:00:26] waste disposal. At the center of Croatia's attention is...
[00:00:30] the Gospić case. We just heard from
[00:00:33] our reporter Katarina Plantak. Gordan Bosanac tried to
[00:00:37] frame the topic more broadly, not just as
[00:00:40] a Croatian problem of illegal waste storage, but as a European
[00:00:43] issue of control of cross-border, cross-border
[00:00:46] waste traffic, possible contamination with PFAS
[00:00:49] compounds, i.e., eternal chemicals. He
[00:00:53] also dealt with the capacity for managing such waste, i.e., the
[00:00:56] non-existent capacity in the Republic of Croatia, possible...
[00:01:00] possible actions of organized crime. His idea was for
[00:01:04] Gospić to serve as a kind of European case
[00:01:07] study. What happens when waste crosses
[00:01:10] borders, and how do surveillance systems, infrastructure
[00:01:14] react, and what to do if they fail to track
[00:01:18] that traffic? However, there was, of course, a political
[00:01:22] conflict about this. Bosanac claims that HDZ and EPP tried to narrow
[00:01:26] the topic, to remove direct references to PFS to Croatia to...
[00:01:30] the Gospić case. Nikolina Brnjac and Davor Ivoštir
[00:01:33] rejected such an interpretation, emphasizing that the problems
[00:01:37] of illegal cross-border waste traffic are already on the
[00:01:41] European agenda, and that Gospić will be discussed
[00:01:45] in today's debate. Today we heard MEP
[00:01:48] Karlo Resler who will be the first Croatian
[00:01:52] speaker in the entire debate,
[00:01:54] and he said that the Gospić case
[00:01:57] will definitely be highlighted, despite
[00:02:00] the fact that it is not actually in the
[00:02:04] title of the debate. Finally, I will say
[00:02:09] contexts, and that what will concretely
[00:02:10] reintegration uh and emerge from that debate is much more important, especially regarding
[00:02:13] PFS compounds, which we already know have entered our
[00:02:16] soil. If the debate opens the question of potential
[00:02:20] contamination, then Gospić really ceases to be just a Croatian political
[00:02:24] issue. It becomes a question of European standards of control, European
[00:02:27] transparency, European handling of chemical
[00:02:30] hazardous waste. It is precisely here that one needs to distinguish
[00:02:34] between political debate and what can be
[00:02:37] proven. Today it would therefore be important to hear if there are any concrete
[00:02:41] data, what kind of European control is possible in such cases,
[00:02:44] and if there is a willingness to draw some rules from the Croatian case
[00:02:48] that would also apply to other member states, i.e., what
[00:02:51] MP Gordan Bosanas said, that this should indeed be a
[00:02:55] case study. However,
[00:02:57] I will conclude both.
[00:03:00] Today's topics have one common point. Regarding
[00:03:03] Canada, we can ask the question: can the European Union
[00:03:07] turn its political ambition into a concrete new
[00:03:10] form of partnership? And regarding Gospić, we can ask the completely opposite
[00:03:13] question: can Europe turn existing rules
[00:03:17] into effective protection on the
[00:03:20] ground? And now, this is the sequence of events.
[00:03:23] Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney will address the European
[00:03:27] Parliament at 11:30
[00:03:30] AM, and a joint conference with Roberta
[00:03:33] Metsola will be held at 12:30 PM, just
[00:03:37] an hour later. We will hear how Mark
[00:03:40] Carney sees this whole situation. At
[00:03:44] 3 PM, as we have already heard, it is time for
[00:03:47] the debate on illegal waste, in which it will be important
[00:03:51] to see how concrete the Gospić case
[00:03:54] will be. These are two topics that are really worth following here today. We
[00:03:58] will, of course, follow them to... all the details.
[00:04:02] Thank you, Maja, for this exhaustive analysis and
[00:04:05] overview of everything that has been and will be in the European Parliament. We will
[00:04:09] come back to you many times today. Thank you again, this was
[00:04:13] our Maja Štrbac from
[00:04:14] Strasbourg.
[00:04:22] Ursula von der Leyen announced that Brussels wants to raise relations with Ottawa
[00:04:26] to the highest possible level and, as she said, urgently...
[00:04:30] redefine them. She sees Canada, which shares European values, as
[00:04:33] a key partner in creating new global
[00:04:36] alliances.
[00:04:39] Our partnership is not directed against anyone, but
[00:04:43] strives for strength through unity. We want to
[00:04:46] strengthen our relationship with Canada as much as
[00:04:49] possible.
[00:04:52] Dear Mark, I said that we urgently need to redefine
[00:04:55] our
[00:04:57] some kind of communication, PR, partnership. That's why I would like
[00:05:00] us to jointly open the door for Canada to become
[00:05:03] the first associated member of the European
[00:05:06] Union.
[00:05:16] US President Donald Trump threatened additional tariffs
[00:05:19] on the European Union if the Union allows Canada to become an associated
[00:05:23] member.
[00:05:29] Canada has been a terrible trade partner
[00:05:31] and, uh, no, I don't see that. And if they do that, if
[00:05:35] I think it's a total hostile act, I will put very
[00:05:38] serious tariffs or stop trading with
[00:05:41] Europe. on many things. So, if they do that, if
[00:05:44] Europe does that with a bad intention, if it's a good
[00:05:48] intention, that's fine. If it's a
[00:05:50] bad...
[00:05:54] Canadians generally support this decision of Prime Minister
[00:05:57] Carney. We've been very dependent on the United
[00:06:00] States, deeply integrated, exceedingly so since
[00:06:04] NAFTA in the 90s really has pushed us into
[00:06:07] a situation where we're vulnerable and that has been
[00:06:11] exploited. So, for us in Europe, we need
[00:06:14] to be taking advantage of while we've got partners and friends who are
[00:06:18] democratically aligned, who share many of the same values
[00:06:21] and cultural traditions. I think it's great to develop trade
[00:06:25] relationships with other countries and other parts of the world. I think we're a little bit behind in
[00:06:29] developing some of our natural resources to offer these products to sell to them. I think that
[00:06:33] they would love to have our products if we were able to deliver them like natural
[00:06:37] gas across the Atlantic. I think that it is a good move. I am a
[00:06:41] big supporter of...
[00:07:00] In the meantime, I was joined in the studio by the former Minister of
[00:07:03] Justice of the Republic of Croatia, Ms. Vesna Škare Ožbolt. Ms. Škare
[00:07:06] Ožbolt, welcome to N1. Thank you very much. We have seen
[00:07:10] now, we will follow these topics today. The European Union
[00:07:14] today at 3 PM, the European Parliament is actually discussing
[00:07:17] Croatia, i.e., our story about
[00:07:20] waste, i.e., illegal illegal waste in
[00:07:23] Gospić. After everything we have learned so far in the past weeks
[00:07:27] and months about Gospić, where do you
[00:07:30] see criminal-political
[00:07:33] responsibility in this case?
[00:07:36] Well, it's good that the European Parliament is discussing
[00:07:40] this topic, however. I am afraid that
[00:07:43] it will come to light, I am not afraid, but it will
[00:07:47] certainly come to light, everything that Croatia should have done, it did
[00:07:50] not do, and it should have implemented the European directive,
[00:07:54] we received two warnings, serious
[00:07:57] attention was not paid to this, and when
[00:08:01] it was found out, the dimension of the problem was not understood
[00:08:04] at all, nor was anything checked, nor was anything
[00:08:07] intervened, today we have the situation we
[00:08:11] have, that human
[00:08:13] health is threatened, maybe not
[00:08:17] at this moment, but no one guarantees that
[00:08:21] it will not be threatened when it all comes to
[00:08:24] this, when it all dissolves in the Karst
[00:08:28] terrain. That's what is serious in
[00:08:32] my opinion, and these anti-corruption measures that, for
[00:08:35] example, other European countries had already adopted long ago when adopting this
[00:08:38] directive that we should have adopted, uh...
[00:08:42] they took. Unfortunately, we are as if we are
[00:08:46] still in the early 19th
[00:08:49] century, we function with papers,
[00:08:52] we trust transporters, we don't
[00:08:56] check anything, and then it is what
[00:08:58] it is. Everyone has switched to digital
[00:09:01] this model
[00:09:04] of tracking, everything is checked, you can't
[00:09:07] just
[00:09:08] this
[00:09:11] uh, percate, so that it's not visible, then
[00:09:15] the one who lets something like that go, it's immediately visible
[00:09:18] who is responsible for it, directly
[00:09:21] responsible. Here, nothing has been determined yet, neither who is directly responsible,
[00:09:25] nor who is indirectly responsible, nor who is politically
[00:09:28] responsible, and I think that political line goes on
[00:09:32] all levels. Mhm, responsibility.
[00:09:36] When you talk about digitalization and models
[00:09:39] that we should have, here we have the announcement
[00:09:42] of the government, the waste management law is changing, GPS
[00:09:45] tracking, more frequent controls, video surveillance. You know when the Dutch
[00:09:49] and Italians introduced GPS a few years ago,
[00:09:53] we are only now when something has come to
[00:09:56] to, here to such a
[00:09:59] terrible, I call it a tragedy, because it is
[00:10:02] a tragedy for something like this to happen. And
[00:10:05] how do you see the government's approach to this in terms of
[00:10:09] damage control? The way
[00:10:13] the Gospić issue was approached, where it was called
[00:10:16] hysteria, now the approach has changed a little, so, I
[00:10:20] don't know, I expected in July.
[00:10:23] Uh,
[00:10:26] a government session on this topic,
[00:10:30] immediately proposals for measures, immediately securing
[00:10:33] funds, immediately for something to start
[00:10:36] happening there, so no one has seriously
[00:10:39] this scratched with a shovel and
[00:10:43] taken something away. Uh, so I somewhat
[00:10:47] expected a much, much greater
[00:10:49] seriousness
[00:10:52] in approaching this problem. and remediation of that
[00:10:56] problem. So, I expected that
[00:10:58] the government would create a feeling
[00:11:02] among citizens that now that all this has happened
[00:11:05] as it has, that it will immediately take
[00:11:08] measures, create a sense
[00:11:12] of security. Instead, an even
[00:11:15] greater sense of insecurity was created.
[00:11:19] There were protests, citizens
[00:11:22] clearly gave a warning. And that's something that
[00:11:26] , well, we have. The rains have started,
[00:11:29] autumn is coming.
[00:11:32] Uh, nothing is covered,
[00:11:34] and
[00:11:37] indeed the question arises, where will this go, where will
[00:11:41] it end? In Europe, where there were similar
[00:11:44] examples, it was
[00:11:47] remedied for decades, it cost
[00:11:51] a terrible amount. Uh, I
[00:11:55] expected that uh, the government would react
[00:11:58] much faster, that it would react
[00:12:01] operationally immediately, but somehow
[00:12:04] it either we don't have the right
[00:12:07] information, again, if
[00:12:11] now from me
[00:12:11] speaks
[00:12:15] a concerned citizen, a concerned woman, then
[00:12:19] nothing has been done to calm
[00:12:22] that fear. Nothing
[00:12:25] serious, nothing concrete except verbally, that's not
[00:12:28] enough. In parallel, we have the opposition, which on
[00:12:32] the one hand, uh, actually the Most party was
[00:12:36] very active from the very beginning. Uh, what
[00:12:39] we somewhat perhaps expected in the Republic of Croatia, that
[00:12:43] this opposition, left, right, from all across the spectrum,
[00:12:46] might unite around such an issue, which showed, for example, that
[00:12:50] the protest united citizens from across the
[00:12:53] spectrum. Mm... That did not happen when the opposition is
[00:12:57] concerned. Uh, I think that
[00:13:00] now it somehow opens, opens
[00:13:03] space and more and more it's, in fact, as we have
[00:13:06] passed half, uh, and as we approach
[00:13:10] the middle of the mandate, that somehow all
[00:13:13] this is moving into a serious
[00:13:17] uh, serious battle, everyone for their votes.
[00:13:21] How it will look in the end,
[00:13:24] I really... I really don't know, but the opposition showed that it is not united
[00:13:28] even on this, even on this case on which it definitely could
[00:13:31] have been united. One more question related to Croatia,
[00:13:35] the government, or the Ministry of Justice last
[00:13:39] week, uh, amendments to the criminal code are introducing
[00:13:42] life imprisonment, ecocide is included as one
[00:13:46] of, one of the elements that can be
[00:13:49] punishable. How do you comment on that moment?
[00:13:52] We talked a lot. right after that case in Drniš, and actually these
[00:13:55] are some kind of consequences of that case. Yes, so,
[00:13:59] I still claim
[00:14:02] that nothing will fundamentally change there. The
[00:14:05] prison sentence is life, but it was 40
[00:14:09] years for such criminal acts, serious, the most serious criminal
[00:14:12] acts. What's the difference? So
[00:14:15] it's not a question of imposing sentences, and there we are, we are
[00:14:19] , I don't know, perfect, it's been done that way for years, as soon as
[00:14:22] an incident happens, let's raise penalties, and... no one
[00:14:25] imposes them. So that's the problem. I'll have to
[00:14:29] interrupt you briefly now, because the government session is starting. Let's go to the introductory
[00:14:33] speech of the Prime Minister. Just then we'll return to our
[00:14:36] conversation. A few
[00:14:38] introductory remarks, before we
[00:14:41] move on to the agenda items. First, let
[00:14:44] me thank all members of the government for
[00:14:47] participating in the current morning session at the
[00:14:51] beginning of the new session of the Croatian Parliament
[00:14:54] two days ago, where we answered
[00:14:57] 41 parliamentary
[00:14:59] questions and tried to present to our
[00:15:03] citizens everything that is relevant regarding
[00:15:06] the work of the Croatian government. As was
[00:15:09] expected, the main topic was
[00:15:12] the situation related to waste in
[00:15:15] Gospić. From the opposition, we heard
[00:15:18] the usual politicking
[00:15:21] attempts for some daily political
[00:15:25] battles with plenty of fear-mongering, disinformation, and
[00:15:29] equally
[00:15:32] manipulation when it comes to the answers
[00:15:35] of our members of the government. However,
[00:15:39] what is important is that we clearly told the Croatian
[00:15:42] public that the waste problem exists, uh,
[00:15:46] those who caused it will be held criminally
[00:15:50] responsible. The health situation
[00:15:52] regarding the correctness of water in the public
[00:15:55] water supply system in Ulica
[00:15:58] is good, and the water is correct and can be drunk, unlike
[00:16:02] the publicly stated opinions of some
[00:16:05] opposition representatives,
[00:16:07] who, it is quite clear from their
[00:16:11] appearances, are in possession of information
[00:16:14] and knowledge that only those involved in criminal
[00:16:18] proceedings can know, unlike, for example, members of the government who do not
[00:16:21] know such information. But it's good that
[00:16:24] the Croatian public hears and sees this, because
[00:16:27] it is very indicative, it is not the first time when it comes to
[00:16:31] some actors. Also,
[00:16:35] uh, we heard, especially from Minister
[00:16:38] Vučković, a very clear plan
[00:16:41] for removing non-hazardous waste, upcoming decisions
[00:16:45] on the removal of scattered hazardous waste,
[00:16:48] a remediation plan for buried waste, as
[00:16:51] well as during the remediation of buried
[00:16:55] waste, covering the area at
[00:16:58] the former PPK Velebit perimeter.
[00:17:02] In any case, what is important
[00:17:05] is that the government and its competent authorities are
[00:17:08] engaged in solving the problem, solving it
[00:17:11] calmly, truthfully, without spreading panic,
[00:17:15] and in a way that, of course,
[00:17:19] is in accordance with professional rules, but
[00:17:22] with an agile approach that will
[00:17:25] lead to a solution, thereby
[00:17:29] reducing these tensions that exist among
[00:17:32] our citizens, which we understand, which
[00:17:35] we comprehend. However, it is one thing to express
[00:17:38] concern and another to spread false
[00:17:41] information. These are, after all, two significantly
[00:17:44] different some opposition
[00:17:47] actors are focusing on the
[00:17:50] latter. In that regard, I want to mention that
[00:17:54] yesterday in Karlovac County a waste management center
[00:17:58] was opened, location Babina Gora,
[00:18:01] an investment worth 80 million euros, according
[00:18:04] to the highest ecological standards. This
[00:18:07] center will cover the area for
[00:18:10] waste management of Karlovac County,
[00:18:13] parts of Lika-Senj County, parts of Sisak-Moslavina
[00:18:17] County, for the needs of about 130,000
[00:18:20] inhabitants, seven cities, 22 municipalities,
[00:18:23] with a capacity of almost 30,000
[00:18:26] tons of mixed municipal waste
[00:18:29] annually. And by putting it into
[00:18:32] operation, prerequisites are created for
[00:18:35] closing five existing landfills in the area
[00:18:39] of the project.
[00:18:42] Also, great strides in terms of reconstruction in
[00:18:45] the city of Zagreb, university infrastructure.
[00:18:49] Yesterday and today we were at the opening of
[00:18:52] two buildings of the Faculty of Law, one in
[00:18:55] Cyril and Methodius Street in Gornji Grad, the other in
[00:18:59] Nazorova Street, where the study of social work is.
[00:19:03] After the faculty building at Republic of Croatia Square
[00:19:06] 3, these two buildings are completely, constructively,
[00:19:10] completely renovated. And the one in Gornji Grad is
[00:19:13] the Erdödy-Keglević Palace from the 17th century, one
[00:19:17] of the most beautiful palaces and buildings in Gornji Grad,
[00:19:21] which has now shone in its full glory with plenty of
[00:19:25] frescoes that could not be seen before. And I thank
[00:19:29] the restorers who truly did
[00:19:32] a magnificent job. Of course, all contractors, the faculty management
[00:19:36] for their engagement. And thanks to the staff and students
[00:19:39] for their patience while the renovation lasted. These
[00:19:43] two projects, Cyril and Methodius and Nazorova, 17 million
[00:19:47] euros. Of course, the renovation of
[00:19:50] the most important building, the building at Republic of Croatia Square
[00:19:54] 14, the seat of the university and the flagship
[00:19:57] of the Faculty of Law, is also underway.
[00:20:00] I remind you, this morning, just before the government session,
[00:20:04] we were here nearby at the Faculty of
[00:20:07] Electrical Engineering and Computing,
[00:20:10] renovated and completely furnished buildings B and C,
[00:20:14] a project worth 70.3
[00:20:17] million euros, renovated more than
[00:20:19] 20,000 square meters of space,
[00:20:23] beautiful conditions for work
[00:20:26] for almost 700 employees
[00:20:29] and
[00:20:31] 400 students. We want this kind of high-quality
[00:20:35] infrastructure
[00:20:38] to encourage them to bring Croatia
[00:20:41] closer to the digital age, because that is precisely what
[00:20:45] FER students do for society, economy, state and
[00:20:48] its national security.
[00:20:52] We are in a phase where in about ten days
[00:20:56] Minister Bačić will submit a new report, but
[00:20:59] almost 5 billion and 200 million euros, over three
[00:21:03] billion euros for the Zagreb earthquake, over two billion euros for
[00:21:06] the Petrinja earthquake, these are incredibly
[00:21:10] large and demanding projects and huge
[00:21:12] investments. This morning, the government also made a decision at a
[00:21:16] telephone session of the government, after I spoke with
[00:21:20] the Chairperson of the Council of Ministers, Ms. Borjana
[00:21:23] Krišto, another decision to
[00:21:26] approve the use of two Canadair aircraft
[00:21:29] for firefighting in Bosnia and Herzegovina, which
[00:21:33] this time are in the Jablanica,
[00:21:36] Čvrsnica, Blidinje areas, and the Croatian Air
[00:21:39] Force, our Chief Fire Commander
[00:21:43] will send two Canairs
[00:21:46] to Bosnia and Herzegovina for the second
[00:21:50] time in just a few days. So, the
[00:21:53] fire season is still ongoing. This morning,
[00:21:57] Minister Šušnjar and I met
[00:21:59] with the Executive Vice-President of the European Commission
[00:22:03] responsible for prosperity and industrial strategy,
[00:22:07] Stefano Sežurné, and discussed strengthening
[00:22:11] the competitiveness of the European economy. We presented
[00:22:14] the content of our national plan for
[00:22:17] industrial development for the period 27.
[00:22:20] 94. We highlighted key
[00:22:23] priorities: productivity, competitiveness,
[00:22:25] decarbonization, investments in new
[00:22:28] technologies, especially artificial
[00:22:31] intelligence, of course, investments
[00:22:34] in the defense industry.
[00:22:37] I announce that next week will be the 12th edition
[00:22:41] of the European Week of Sport, organized by the Ministry of Tourism
[00:22:44] and Sport. So far, more than 350,000 of our
[00:22:48] citizens have participated in the past 11 years
[00:22:51] in this event under
[00:22:53] the slogan "Be Active".
[00:22:56] We look forward to numerous events across
[00:22:59] Croatia, and here we thank and encourage
[00:23:02] everyone to live healthily
[00:23:06] and engage in sports. Today at the government session
[00:23:10] we have the law on research and exploitation of energy
[00:23:14] geo-resources, as well as the law on
[00:23:17] making available certain goods and
[00:23:21] products related to deforestation
[00:23:24] and forest degradation. There are a series of decisions relating
[00:23:28] to councils for the north, central
[00:23:31] Croatia, for Adriatic Croatia, new institutional
[00:23:34] formats for strengthening balanced
[00:23:38] regional development, which Minister
[00:23:41] Miku Žigman will present to us. A special message for
[00:23:45] Split, for Dalmatia, for Hajduk. The government is adopting a decision
[00:23:49] on the transfer of land and construction
[00:23:52] rights at the Stobreč location for
[00:23:55] the construction of Hajduk's camp in
[00:23:58] Stobreč. Minister Bačić will tell us
[00:24:01] more about that. This afternoon we are in
[00:24:04] Đurđevac where another
[00:24:08] logistics and distribution center
[00:24:10] Agro is opening, important for Croatian
[00:24:13] agriculture and producers
[00:24:16] of agricultural products. That's
[00:24:19] all. For the introduction, I would now like to give
[00:24:22] the floor.
[00:24:25] To see the introductory address of Prime Minister Plenković.
[00:24:29] With me in the studio is Mrs. Vesna Škare Ožbolt. I interrupted you,
[00:24:32] we were talking about some
[00:24:35] other topics, maybe briefly. Here, we both
[00:24:38] heard Prime Minister Plenković addressing us. Yes,
[00:24:42] it seems to me that he paid too
[00:24:45] little attention, or
[00:24:49] he paid attention to everything but the
[00:24:53] fire, or so it seemed to me, this
[00:24:56] waste. So,
[00:24:59] he smoothed out all natural disasters,
[00:25:01] and
[00:25:06] it seems to me that I expect the government
[00:25:10] to solve problems, not to constantly
[00:25:12] this emphasize what it did well. It should
[00:25:16] emphasize, I'm not saying it shouldn't, but
[00:25:19] I expect... the government, the Croatian government, as the only body in
[00:25:22] this country that is operational,
[00:25:26] to solve problems, and these are serious, serious problems, regardless
[00:25:29] of everything. I can hardly accept the fact
[00:25:33] that this waste disposal site, which has
[00:25:36] not even started remediation, is treated as an ordinary natural
[00:25:40] disaster. That bothers me.
[00:25:44] Uh, we actually stopped at the amendments to the criminal code, and there was
[00:25:47] also ecocide, so now we can return to that. "Can
[00:25:51] such things continue to be treated as natural
[00:25:54] disasters, or for example, The legislation we have now
[00:25:58] could regulate ecocide. So ecocide is just one criminal offense, for
[00:26:01] example." "Some countries have much
[00:26:04] more, more elaborate
[00:26:07] material on criminal legislation,
[00:26:10] and misdemeanor legislation
[00:26:13] in general dealing with,
[00:26:16] dealing with illegal waste, especially
[00:26:19] hazardous waste is
[00:26:22] a trend in European countries
[00:26:25] and the focus is, just as
[00:26:28] emphasis is placed on human trafficking, on drug
[00:26:33] trafficking, uh, emphasis
[00:26:36] is placed on
[00:26:39] environmental, that is environmental terrorism.
[00:26:43] So that, that has that rank of environmental
[00:26:46] terrorism for for
[00:26:49] a country where illegal
[00:26:52] waste is brought in. Mrs. Škare Ožbolt, let's move on to some
[00:26:56] more of these current topics that have certainly been in
[00:27:00] focus in recent days. Here we go now. in the European Union. The focus
[00:27:03] continues. The question arises of the burial of war
[00:27:06] criminal, Ratko Mladić in Belgrade
[00:27:10] with, perhaps not by name state, but de
[00:27:13] facto state honors, presence of state
[00:27:16] leadership, and even parts of the army,
[00:27:19] transport of his body from The Hague to Serbia and so
[00:27:23] on. Here we had, maybe just to
[00:27:27] mention that, a reaction from Croatia which, again,
[00:27:30] across the entire political spectrum, was quite firm. We also had a reaction
[00:27:34] from Prime Minister Plenković about how the reaction of the European Commission was
[00:27:38] too mild. After that, we got somewhat
[00:27:42] sharper reactions from Ursula
[00:27:44] von der Leyen. How do you see it and how do you see then
[00:27:48] Serbia's path to the European
[00:27:50] Union? So, I will now
[00:27:54] answer you as a person who was
[00:27:58] uh from '91 onwards, practically from '90...
[00:28:01] was in the highest politics, I led
[00:28:05] negotiations
[00:28:07] with uh the UN with the rebel Serbs, I led peaceful
[00:28:12] I led the National Committee for
[00:28:15] the normalization of life. I will now tell you the following:
[00:28:19] So this that happened in uh
[00:28:23] Serbia, that your Minister of Justice
[00:28:27] practically legalizes a war
[00:28:31] criminal who was convicted. A legally convicted war
[00:28:34] criminal sentenced to life imprisonment, to have him legalized,
[00:28:37] and after him the entire
[00:28:40] government, and after him the entire
[00:28:43] uh state policy,
[00:28:47] uh, not to mention the church, so the values
[00:28:50] of the church, that man was convicted of war
[00:28:54] crimes, of genocide.
[00:28:58] Uh, for such a person
[00:29:01] to be treated
[00:29:03] with all honors is something terrifying,
[00:29:07] terrifying for the civilization in
[00:29:09] which we live
[00:29:11] and
[00:29:15] in my opinion, Croatia
[00:29:18] did not react, it reacted declaratively.
[00:29:22] Mhm, it did not make a single
[00:29:24] move. It did not even call
[00:29:28] the mildest ambassador for an interview,
[00:29:31] the Serbian ambassador for an interview, let alone
[00:29:35] do anything further, as Bosnia and
[00:29:39] Herzegovina did.
[00:29:41] So, it's as if nothing happened in our
[00:29:43] lives, as if there was no war
[00:29:47] in Croatia, as if we did not experience
[00:29:50] aggression from that same Mladić, from
[00:29:54] that same policy.
[00:29:58] So we reacted, you say firmly, firmly
[00:30:01] declaratively. With no move
[00:30:05] and we looked to the European Union to see how
[00:30:08] the European Union would react. The European Union reacted
[00:30:12] extremely mildly
[00:30:15] because it has its own political
[00:30:16] interests.
[00:30:19] And we somehow just can't uh
[00:30:23] take the reins of all possible political
[00:30:25] interests,
[00:30:28] uh, but we are still an object of that, not a subject
[00:30:31] and. It's all that bothers me, mhm. So I
[00:30:35] am not some radical,
[00:30:38] uh, but because of everything that happened in
[00:30:41] Croatia, a third of the country was razed to the
[00:30:44] ground, how many more missing persons do we have, how many were
[00:30:47] killed, how many were
[00:30:49] unhappy, as if nothing happened,
[00:30:53] declarative statements, that's
[00:30:56] it. And how.