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[00:03:30] Soon, new rules will apply on Croatian roads, carriers transporting
[00:03:33] flammable, explosive, and
[00:03:36] toxic substances will be under the eye of a completely new digital system
[00:03:40] in the entire procedure. As that tracks in real-time where these goods are and where
[00:03:44] they are going. This is the EADR project, part of the
[00:03:47] national recovery and resilience plan, worth almost 2.5
[00:03:50] million euros, which connects tachograph data,
[00:03:54] electronic permits, and databases of
[00:03:57] five state institutions into a single monitoring system. You're watching
[00:04:00] Tech Radar, I'm Dragan Petric, about how this system actually works
[00:04:04] and why it's important for the safety of all of us on the road, today
[00:04:08] I'm joined by Laura Bjondić, project manager at AKD,
[00:04:11] the company that implemented EADR, and
[00:04:14] Hrvoje Jerković, technical manager of the EADR project.
[00:04:18] Hello Laura, hello Hrvoje, welcome to the Tech Radar studio. To
[00:04:21] start Laura, for viewers who are hearing about EADR
[00:04:24] for the first time, what does this acronym mean, what does this project
[00:04:28] mean and why is it needed at all? Hello everyone, the project
[00:04:32] for monitoring the transport of dangerous goods in road traffic is being implemented as
[00:04:36] part of the national recovery and resilience plan and the European
[00:04:39] national digital transformation in road
[00:04:41] traffic. This project is being implemented because
[00:04:45] it digitizes the process of transporting dangerous goods. Among
[00:04:49] other things, it digitizes the process of issuing digital
[00:04:52] permits for transport of
[00:04:55] dangerous goods of classes one and seven, i.e., explosives and
[00:04:59] nuclear cargo. It also digitizes
[00:05:02] the process of training drivers in the process
[00:05:05] of transporting dangerous goods, and through tachograph data
[00:05:09] enables monitoring of the transport of dangerous goods. All this leads to
[00:05:12] administrative relief and simpler, safer
[00:05:16] monitoring of the entire process. The project is being implemented
[00:05:20] in partnership with the Ministry of Maritime Affairs, Transport and Infrastructure
[00:05:23] and AKD. What is the role of your company, i.e., AKD, in
[00:05:27] all this and why was AKD chosen as a partner
[00:05:31] on such a truly sensitive project? That's right, AKD
[00:05:34] participates in the project as a partner to the Ministry of Maritime Affairs, Transport and
[00:05:37] Infrastructure and together with the Ministry implements all
[00:05:41] project activities. Among other things, AKD develops
[00:05:44] IT solutions in the field of security and identity, as well as
[00:05:48] solutions for transforming business processes in the transport
[00:05:52] sector. All this means and guarantees
[00:05:55] users security and high quality of services.
[00:05:58] AKD and the Ministry of Maritime Affairs, Transport and Infrastructure have
[00:06:02] many years of cooperation and have carried out several projects together
[00:06:05] in the digitalization of transport,
[00:06:08] and that is why AKD was chosen as
[00:06:12] a project partner for this project. Hrvoje, let's
[00:06:15] now talk a little about how the system actually works, what are some of the
[00:06:18] main data sources that e ADR
[00:06:20] connects? Well, first of all, we have a carrier
[00:06:24] who on some portal has to fill in basic information
[00:06:28] related to the transport he wants to carry out. However,
[00:06:31] then we come to the permit module, so that's the first module that
[00:06:35] basically completely digitized the process that is currently done
[00:06:38] manually. So, it's about a series of
[00:06:42] various administrative actions, which
[00:06:45] checks the vehicle, driver, announcements,
[00:06:48] routes, and so on. These are some key things, where it would be
[00:06:51] possible to automatically fill in a lot of this data, for example
[00:06:55] data about the driver himself,
[00:06:58] which previously needed to be filled in in detail,
[00:07:01] can now be retrieved from another module, which is the training
[00:07:04] module, also implemented within this
[00:07:07] project. So, within the training module, driver
[00:07:11] training for EADR vehicles is
[00:07:14] carried out, which until now was done
[00:07:17] in a, let's say, semi-digital
[00:07:19] way, in the arrangement
[00:07:22] of individual schools that conducted the training. Now, this
[00:07:26] process is unified, meaning there are standardized
[00:07:30] plans, courses, organization of deadlines,
[00:07:33] exams for drivers who are interested in
[00:07:36] obtaining EADR certificates, and everything
[00:07:40] ends with a verified confirmation.
[00:07:42] Including the process of issuing AKD
[00:07:45] cards, i.e., ADR
[00:07:48] cards, which also confirms
[00:07:51] in a physical form, what already exists in digital form in the
[00:07:55] EADR system. Okay, how does that look in practice? For example,
[00:07:58] I have a truck with a tank with the cargo we heard about,
[00:08:02] which is leaving, for example, Rijeka for
[00:08:05] Zagreb, uh, what happens with its data at that
[00:08:09] moment? Okay, let's start from , say, the day before, when the
[00:08:12] module was created through the permit module, a permit was created
[00:08:16] which basically confirms that the company has the right
[00:08:19] to have a driver, has
[00:08:22] a certain vehicle, has a tank, and so on. The permit module
[00:08:26] automatically checks whether all these, all these items
[00:08:29] are indeed correct. For example, uh,
[00:08:32] a check is performed regarding the means of transport if it is
[00:08:36] a truck, uh, at our initiative
[00:08:39] during this project, in cooperation with the Ministry... and the Croatian Vehicle Center,
[00:08:43] a special application interface was created
[00:08:45] through which, through this project,
[00:08:49] it is checked whether there is a valid
[00:08:52] certificate for the vehicle in question that is
[00:08:56] registered in the permit for transport. And now when that
[00:08:59] vehicle has all that permit received the next day, if it
[00:09:02] goes on a trip, it goes on a trip, that's right, the vehicle
[00:09:05] basically when it arrives at the customs office or at
[00:09:09] the supervisory inspectorate, if it is stopped, in previous
[00:09:13] variants, i.e., the supervisory inspector had to
[00:09:16] review a considerable amount of paper
[00:09:20] documents, right, including the consignment note itself, which is now
[00:09:23] digitized in this process, uh,
[00:09:27] it's about being able to easily review
[00:09:30] vehicle, driver, routes, announcements, and all other information, meaning
[00:09:34] that, for example, it lights up green on some interface where he can view
[00:09:38] and with much greater certainty he can know
[00:09:42] that... What is marked green really means that there are
[00:09:46] valid documents behind it, he doesn't have to go into the depth of those
[00:09:49] things, I understand, good, the system must communicate with at least five different state
[00:09:52] bodies, we said there are the Ministry of Interior, the State Inspectorate, the Croatian Vehicle Center
[00:09:56] and so on, how did you technically solve
[00:09:59] the data exchange between so many different institutions? Well,
[00:10:03] as I gave an example regarding the Croatian Vehicle Center,
[00:10:06] a secure application interface was
[00:10:10] created through which an automated service, only from the
[00:10:14] ADR, can access, can retrieve adequate
[00:10:17] summaries of only those data that are specifically needed,
[00:10:21] so all other laws regarding GDPR security
[00:10:25] of the project at the EU level were absolutely respected during
[00:10:28] the implementation and development of such specifications. Similarly,
[00:10:31] other data are processed when we talk about
[00:10:34] tachograph data, so I haven't yet reached
[00:10:38] a situation where the supervisory inspector can basically after
[00:10:41] a certain time get an enriched record regarding
[00:10:45] all locations where that truck has been in the past seven days,
[00:10:48] whether the driver respected driving and resting times, and
[00:10:52] even... We even have speed measurement
[00:10:55] and similar items, so all these indicators
[00:10:59] and summaries of key indicators of whether a violation has occurred
[00:11:01] can be clearly presented to
[00:11:04] the supervisory inspector. Good, let's look a little
[00:11:07] at the technical seriousness behind all that, what specific
[00:11:11] technologies are behind the system, what is the
[00:11:14] system architecture, what is the level of automation in processing
[00:11:17] all that data? Okay, so, it is planned
[00:11:21] that the production variant works with a disaster recovery
[00:11:25] variant, so we have two active-active locations,
[00:11:28] and in principle, the rule of synchronous operation is respected, because it must
[00:11:32] be a high availability system. So, at any
[00:11:35] moment, if a geographical accident occurs with one location,
[00:11:39] and it becomes completely unavailable, there are
[00:11:42] standard procedures by which traffic is simply redirected
[00:11:46] to the other location via a load balancer.
[00:11:49] The same applies, so I have given an example of the most difficult
[00:11:53] disaster recovery scenario. Okay, however, in case of a failure
[00:11:56] of one application server at one location, we have another one, so
[00:12:00] we also have a high availability pool that can promptly
[00:12:04] respond to any such situations, with the most
[00:12:07] demanding situation regarding databases that work in a synchronous
[00:12:10] mode, meaning they are continuously replicated, which is technically
[00:12:14] quite difficult to implement, however,
[00:12:17] it allows that in case of any database failure, another
[00:12:20] one can take over. If both are unavailable, then
[00:12:24] I say, traffic is redirected to the other location.
[00:12:27] Okay, it's clearly about some critical
[00:12:30] infrastructure, security and protection are key here, uh,
[00:12:34] what if there's a system crash for the whole thing,
[00:12:38] power goes out, well I just explained that, so
[00:12:41] geographical, geographical disaster, that's what you're talking about,
[00:12:44] I mean, I'm covering more than just power, clear, so if there's
[00:12:48] a fire at the location, which is much more critical than just a power
[00:12:51] outage, a power outage can still be compensated for through..." for
[00:12:55] various standard situations, generators are installed and so
[00:12:59] on, AKD has top-notch certified data centers
[00:13:02] that cover all such situations, so the only
[00:13:05] situation where the system would really become unavailable is if
[00:13:09] there was some geographical uh, calamity at both places, let's say,
[00:13:13] I'm not just talking about, I'm talking about an earthquake, a fire at the
[00:13:16] location and this Savska at the Kerestinec location where the
[00:13:20] second data center is located, good Laura. The project also includes
[00:13:24] the digitalization and training of
[00:13:26] drivers and safety advisors, what exactly changes in
[00:13:29] that process and what are the benefits for the involved
[00:13:33] participants? Well, by digitizing the process
[00:13:36] of driver training, the administrative burden is certainly reduced,
[00:13:39] and the entire process becomes simpler, more efficient, and more transparent.
[00:13:43] Specifically for the drivers themselves, this means that the exam application,
[00:13:47] the application in general for the courses
[00:13:50] they take, taking the exam, and
[00:13:53] finally the issuance, i.e., the request for
[00:13:56] issuance of the ADR certificate, is done digitally, which is a
[00:14:00] concrete advantage for them. It also reduces administration for them
[00:14:05] for the training centers that conduct courses for
[00:14:09] training candidates for EADR, i.e.,
[00:14:12] drivers, it also reduces administration for them because the
[00:14:15] entire process of applying for and taking
[00:14:18] the exam is done digitally, ultimately leading to a more
[00:14:22] transparent process. reducing the possibility of human
[00:14:25] error, let's talk a little about carriers, will the system
[00:14:29] speed up their daily operations, what administrative
[00:14:33] steps do they skip thanks to electronic permits?
[00:14:36] It will certainly reduce their administrative burden and
[00:14:39] speed up daily operations, because that is one of the goals
[00:14:42] of this system. Specifically, when issuing
[00:14:46] electronic permits, everything is done through the system, documentation is
[00:14:49] uploaded through the system, in... "If there's a need to supplement
[00:14:53] documentation, carriers receive information through the system, there's no
[00:14:56] sending emails or delivering data by mail.
[00:15:00] They also track the status of their submitted
[00:15:03] request, whether it's approved. If a
[00:15:06] solution for transporting dangerous goods has been issued, it's always
[00:15:10] available to them through the system. The entire process
[00:15:13] is relieved of administrative burden. How
[00:15:17] challenging was it to develop a solution that has to be
[00:15:20] compliant with Croatian laws and with some
[00:15:23] European regulations like the EFTA, which is the regulation on
[00:15:26] European Transport Information Systems, if I
[00:15:30] understood that correctly? That's right, well, despite
[00:15:34] the fact that the transport of dangerous goods, considering
[00:15:37] its safety, or rather the
[00:15:40] danger that the transport of dangerous goods brings, is extremely
[00:15:43] well-regulated by law, it was certainly challenging to develop
[00:15:47] a system that complies with and satisfies
[00:15:50] both European standards and national regulations.
[00:15:54] During the development
[00:15:57] of the system and
[00:16:00] during the implementation of the project, the legal
[00:16:03] framework, both Croatian and European, was thoroughly
[00:16:06] analyzed, and all security norms and
[00:16:10] rules were taken into account during the development
[00:16:14] of the system. How many of you worked on that project, it sounds really
[00:16:16] demanding? Well, quite a few of us worked on it,
[00:16:20] it's a large, large interdisciplinary team,
[00:16:23] both at AKD, and Hrvoje
[00:16:26] is part of the external team we have, so a lot of us worked on it,
[00:16:30] yes, it's necessary to have a lot of experience, not just in these
[00:16:33] administrative matters where you have to be very careful, but of course also in these technical
[00:16:37] details that are mentioned, clear, clear, but perhaps the biggest
[00:16:41] challenge is precisely to translate all the rules
[00:16:44] for administrative domains, legal,
[00:16:47] administrative, currently all processes that are done manually
[00:16:51] and successfully digitize them without just
[00:16:54] copying the processes, but to improve the processes, what you are talking about,
[00:16:57] how to offer people a better interface and
[00:17:01] in the whole process. Laura, for citizens who have no direct connection with
[00:17:04] the transport business, with the transport industry, why
[00:17:08] should they even care about this project and how does this
[00:17:12] project affect the daily lives of us who don't have our
[00:17:15] own trucks? Well, despite the fact that we don't have our own trucks nor are
[00:17:19] we transporters of dangerous goods, uh, dangerous goods are
[00:17:22] transported on roads every day near schools, homes,
[00:17:25] workplaces, where all of us move, and it is in everyone's interest that this
[00:17:29] entire process be as safe as possible.
[00:17:32] By digitizing that process, the supervision of the
[00:17:35] entire process of transporting dangerous goods is accelerated
[00:17:39] and simplified, among other things, which ultimately
[00:17:43] directly affects the safety of both the environment and
[00:17:46] people and infrastructure, which I think is in
[00:17:49] all our interests and goals to be as safe as possible. Clearly, to
[00:17:53] conclude, you will still tell me, first Laura, perhaps whether the system is already in
[00:17:57] full operation and what awaits us next, what are the next steps?
[00:18:00] The deadline for the project implementation is July 31st,
[00:18:03] 2026, so the system is almost
[00:18:07] in full operation, mm, with the development of this system,
[00:18:11] prerequisites have been created for further, for further
[00:18:14] mm modernization of the entire process,
[00:18:17] and the system is subject to various
[00:18:20] upgrades, which potentially
[00:18:23] due to changes in the legal framework or the needs of the users
[00:18:27] themselves, that's what awaits us next, great Hrvoje, about
[00:18:30] those upgrades, will it be as difficult as
[00:18:34] this or do we already have a good foundation for d, we have a good foundation.
[00:18:37] "Absolutely, and now it's a solid and decent state
[00:18:41] service that can actively respond to these queries regarding all
[00:18:44] those things that were previously done manually, right?
[00:18:48] As for upgrades, for example, Croatian motorways have
[00:18:51] implemented this car processing using
[00:18:54] various cameras that detect
[00:18:58] all sorts of things. Now, in principle, our system can very easily be integrated
[00:19:01] into such a story in some further iterations, also
[00:19:05] meaning where which vehicle based on a simple table and check
[00:19:09] gets full information from the system. Great. Laura
[00:19:12] and Hrvoje, thank you very much for being guests on Tech
[00:19:14] Radar. Thank you. These were Laura Bjondić and Hrvoje
[00:19:18] Jerković, they presented the EADR project,
[00:19:22] a system that changes the way dangerous
[00:19:25] goods transport is monitored in Croatia. You've been watching Tech Radar,
[00:19:28] the last one before the summer break. We'll see you again soon. Watch N1
[00:19:32] and read Bug HR.
[00:19:35] there was um
[00:20:28] uh the mad madhatter of the family to be honest she was the one
[00:20:31] that got up to mischief Susanna's sister was the sensible one.
[00:20:35] um, but yeah, she was a
[00:20:38] lively, lively, fun, loving little girl,
[00:20:42] um, that you know, would always make us all laugh
[00:20:45] and fall about and would be up to mischief, never the
[00:20:48] opportunity rose, not bad mischief, but enough to, you
[00:20:52] know, heather be to keep you on your toes,
[00:20:55] yeah, yeah, yeah, and as any girl her age is
[00:20:59] encouraged to be, should be, she was active, she liked being
[00:21:03] outdoors, yeah, and
[00:21:06] she did that, lot of your photographs and memories of her, yeah,
[00:21:09] she loved the beach, she loved the beach, she loved being outdoors, yeah, she collected
[00:21:13] hundreds and hundreds of shells and we had to keep
[00:21:16] them all and and it was, only she could only collect them if
[00:21:20] she promised to return some and only take few
[00:21:23] home. um, but of course she never got to choose. it was this
[00:21:27] family trip to Devon that that changed the course of your family's
[00:21:31] life and ultimately led to the end of Heathers. can you talk to me about what happened that
[00:21:34] day, because it was an ordinary family trip to the beach? yeah, yeah,
[00:21:38] she she was enjoying herself, having lots of fun and we were going to go
[00:21:41] for a walk on the evening, and um,
[00:21:45] previously in the day we'd done the same... walk along the seafront
[00:21:49] along the path um and that's where she trod in
[00:21:52] that uh the the water from the combined sewage overflow, we
[00:21:56] carried on the day, she played on the beach, did normal
[00:21:59] things, but then in the evening when we went for our evening
[00:22:03] walk uh she started she suddenly became unwell
[00:22:07] um and and became quite distressed uh
[00:22:11] so we got her back to the chalet
[00:22:14] and did what any parent would do and go you got a bit sickness and diarrhea
[00:22:17] he have anything eat or drink, you'll be better soon,
[00:22:21] don't worry about it, I'll stay with you, dad and Suzanne will
[00:22:24] go out, um, but she she
[00:22:27] didn't, she wasn't getting better, um,
[00:22:31] so we took it to the chemist, chemist prescribed the harry,
[00:22:34] you know, sickness and diarrhea same, you know, every every parent's journey with a
[00:22:38] child that's got you know sickness and diarrhea
[00:22:42] um, but then as things progress she started to
[00:22:45] bleed and that's when we went back to the doctors and that's when we were... the
[00:22:48] casualty um and everything you saw in dirty
[00:22:52] business is what happened um which is the the channel 4
[00:22:55] series yeah based on your
[00:22:59] family's experience and exploring the state of the
[00:23:02] UK waters and the the industry involved in it
[00:23:05] southwest water carried out investigations at the
[00:23:09] time um despite formal investigations no cause for the outbreak was
[00:23:12] identified um the inquest documentation confirming that no
[00:23:15] definitive source of infection was established. the circumstances southwest
[00:23:19] water say of waste water infrastructure regulation the late
[00:23:23] 1990s is very different from today and since then there has
[00:23:26] been significant investment, however, can I just say
[00:23:30] something? yeah, you can at the time it took
[00:23:33] them 30 days to take samples from the water in
[00:23:37] the area, and we're always told that if there's a sewage spillage
[00:23:41] into the sea, 48 hours waiting to you to see, but
[00:23:44] they did not, they assumed at the time they completely... assumed it
[00:23:48] was from food and when they drew a
[00:23:52] blank that's when they started looking at the environment. when you think about it, you know,
[00:23:56] Heather died back in 1999 and water
[00:23:59] company say you're in a very different place to to where
[00:24:02] we were in the 1990s, but are
[00:24:05] we then? well that's the thing, I mean you went
[00:24:09] to Westminster with surface against sewage
[00:24:12] last week with some very stark statistics
[00:24:16] from the summer period. um also with
[00:24:20] personal stories from families, this summer there was a young girl called
[00:24:23] Kieva, eight years old, she became seriously after swimming at
[00:24:27] Aven Beach in Dorset again, designated bathing
[00:24:31] water site awarded excellent, she swallowed
[00:24:34] seawater while swimming at her local beach and was
[00:24:37] hospitalized afterwards, what is it like for you to see
[00:24:41] this happening up and down the country
[00:24:45] repeatedly, what is it like for you
[00:24:47] as family? have lost a daughter,
[00:24:50] it it's a mixture, there anger,
[00:24:54] real anger, but also there's a
[00:24:58] deep sadness, because when I had
[00:25:01] my meeting with the secretary of state and the secretary for water,
[00:25:05] the minister for water, sorry, I said to them really
[00:25:09] clearly, I am not going to stop
[00:25:12] until something changes, because I cannot
[00:25:15] allow this to happen to another child. and another
[00:25:19] family, I can't, because it's
[00:25:22] horrific, and you can't, you can't ignore the
[00:25:25] fact that this is a public health crisis, the the
[00:25:29] suwage system, its primary function is to
[00:25:32] protect public health, and it's not
[00:25:35] doing that, and so I just cannot understand
[00:25:39] why there are all these people in power, all these
[00:25:42] people that have the
[00:25:45] authority, they must have children, they must have
[00:25:48] families, they must...
[00:25:51] feel, they must understand, and yet they continue
[00:25:55] to do the same things over and over again,
[00:25:59] such as discharging sewage into bathing water. why would
[00:26:03] you do that? why would you run the risk on your
[00:26:06] watch, the possibility of another death?
[00:26:10] why would you do that? final question, julie, um, water safety
[00:26:14] became a mandatory part of the curriculum in the UK in
[00:26:17] schools to do with water safety. we had an unprecedented number of deaths this year
[00:26:21] from people getting into difficulty open water
[00:26:24] swimming. it didn't include water quality. we know
[00:26:27] that that does get taught as part of geography
[00:26:31] lessons. "but in your case you've actually brought out a guide with the
[00:26:35] charity service against sewage to make people aware, because that's the
[00:26:39] thing, people go to the seaside, and they don't
[00:26:42] always have an app to check what the quality of water is like, but
[00:26:46] you want to educate young people, because while they're
[00:26:49] perhaps not being looked after by the state or water companies, they need to look after themselves.
[00:26:53] what do you want to see in schools? well, the people that are taking
[00:26:57] them on the trips doing the risk assessments, doing a full risk assessment, looking
[00:27:01] at water quality." including that in the risk assessment and also
[00:27:04] making children aware. I mean, how many? I mean, I know, I because
[00:27:08] I used to work in education, if kids got dirty, just rinse your hands in the water when you're
[00:27:12] on an outdoor ed, just give your hands and it's like, now that's not
[00:27:16] the case, that is not a safe place to actually make sure you're
[00:27:19] clean, you know, use some wet wipes, use antibact, use
[00:27:23] something, don't touch your you, all that kind of
[00:27:26] basic stuff, don't touch yours, wash your hands before
[00:27:29] eating, hygiene, think of the water. as
[00:27:32] potentially contaminated, don't assume it's
[00:27:36] not, cuz we can't assume that the water
[00:27:39] companies, the environmental agency, the government are
[00:27:43] looking after us at the moment, they aren't,
[00:27:46] so we have to protect ourselves and that's my big
[00:27:49] message at the moment is don't assume, take
[00:27:52] care, look after your children, keep them safe,
[00:27:56] the water isn't
[00:27:56] safe.
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