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[00:00:00] power can afford some travel, but I would say that
[00:00:04] most of this is actually related to
[00:00:07] cheap flights. I think that's a big
[00:00:11] motivation for many to travel outside of Croatia. If those flights
[00:00:14] cost a couple of hundred euros instead of a couple of tens of euros, then I believe it would
[00:00:18] be a different story, a significantly different story, absolutely
[00:00:21] for sure. We will, of course, follow all these topics further. Tihana, thank
[00:00:25] you very much for being our guest. Thank
[00:00:28] you. Goodbye.
[00:00:47] How August Henning fell, the man who spent seven years
[00:00:51] at the head of Germany's most important intelligence service,
[00:00:54] the BND, where he had access to the most strictly guarded
[00:00:57] state secrets. Live from Germany for... Srećko Matić speaks
[00:01:01] on New Day.
[00:01:04] Public consultation on anchor prices begins. Which
[00:01:07] activities will be exempt from the obligation to publish them?
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[00:07:38] to your viewers. Um, so, one of
[00:07:41] the biggest. spy affairs in the last few decades, some
[00:07:45] might say, perhaps even a century, but it is unlikely
[00:07:48] to be bigger than the one that led to the dismissal
[00:07:52] of the German chancellor, now more than fifty
[00:07:56] years ago, but again,
[00:07:59] I repeat, one of the biggest spy affairs in
[00:08:02] Germany. m, August Henning, the man who
[00:08:05] led the BND for seven years, the most important, most significant
[00:08:09] German intelligence service, has been arrested
[00:08:12] and accused of high treason. What
[00:08:15] happened, what is it about, and where do all the branches of this
[00:08:18] story lead?
[00:08:22] Well, the branches lead in various directions, as far as can be judged, this has not yet, of course, been
[00:08:25] officially confirmed because the investigation is still in progress,
[00:08:29] but there are certain indications that
[00:08:32] the branches are spreading across different countries, and in some
[00:08:36] countries that are officially considered here in Germany by the German
[00:08:40] executive power, among other things. either as a
[00:08:43] competitor, a rival, or even a systemic
[00:08:47] opponent, countries like, for example, China or
[00:08:50] Azerbaijan, these are two potential instigators, meaning intelligence
[00:08:54] services or agencies from these countries who,
[00:08:57] as the indications suggest, were probably
[00:09:00] the instigators of August Huning in obtaining certain
[00:09:03] information, and preparing certain analyses. The man who was at
[00:09:07] the head of the BND (Bundesnachrichtendienst), the most important German
[00:09:10] intelligence service, from '98 to 2005. This service
[00:09:14] operates abroad, not within
[00:09:17] Germany. It appears that, in all likelihood, within
[00:09:20] at least 10 to 12 years, he acquired more than
[00:09:24] 200 documents from
[00:09:27] the BND marked confidential, strictly confidential, or
[00:09:30] state secret, in cooperation with
[00:09:33] his associate, Manfred D. The
[00:09:37] information he obtained in this way, which was for internal
[00:09:40] use, he apparently used as a
[00:09:43] private individual. He worked as a private individual, prepared
[00:09:46] these analyses as a private individual, for his
[00:09:49] own account, and apparently distributed them to
[00:09:52] third countries. Uh, one of
[00:09:56] the things that also found its way to
[00:09:59] the public, which is perhaps an additional reason for concern when it comes to
[00:10:02] German institutions, is
[00:10:05] that this activity of his and this whole story
[00:10:08] were discovered by chance as part of another investigation, not because
[00:10:12] they specifically targeted the former head of the BND
[00:10:16] to
[00:10:19] Krva, it truly feels these days like one is in some
[00:10:22] kind of telenovela or a bad
[00:10:26] crime novel, a really bad crime novel, because when we see
[00:10:29] the circumstances of how it came about, you're right, it happened
[00:10:33] more or less by chance, let's say by chance rather
[00:10:36] than intentionally. It was an investigation in a completely different case, an investigation in which
[00:10:40] the services of the federal state of Hamburg were active. It was
[00:10:43] about a love drama, to put it
[00:10:45] simply, about a lady who was
[00:10:49] the heiress of a restaurant empire known primarily
[00:10:52] for its steaks. A chain
[00:10:55] of restaurants that offers steaks. This lady, a wealthy
[00:10:58] heiress, apparently had certain love problems with her
[00:11:02] husband. They divorced, and then the question of who would get
[00:11:06] custody of their two children became relevant. Apparently,
[00:11:09] the father got the right, and the mother was apparently very bitter
[00:11:13] and planned to kidnap her own
[00:11:16] children from her husband. And Henning was a private individual at that time, and among
[00:11:20] other things, he was one of the people she hired to..."
[00:11:22] Uh, as the
[00:11:26] indications say, and for what Henning himself is accused of, planning
[00:11:30] the kidnapping of their two children. Henning later
[00:11:33] denied this, but there are still very strong indications that his
[00:11:37] company, meaning his private entrepreneurial company,
[00:11:41] was also involved in attempts to defame that gentleman, meaning
[00:11:44] the father, so that the mother could obtain custody of
[00:11:48] those two children in court. Within the framework of that
[00:11:49] investigation,
[00:11:52] the authorities of the federal state of Hamburg raided
[00:11:55] his house. They searched his documents, his computers,
[00:11:59] and they accidentally found documents that were
[00:12:02] much more interesting than the ones they were looking for, and as it later
[00:12:06] turned out, this is precisely what led to this
[00:12:09] unique move, that the
[00:12:12] former head of the BND was arrested.
[00:12:15] He is currently in pre-trial detention and the investigating
[00:12:19] judge has ordered that he remain behind bars indefinitely. Is there
[00:12:22] any assessment, "unofficial or
[00:12:26] rough, to what extent the German
[00:12:29] intelligence system has actually been
[00:12:31] compromised by this?
[00:12:34] There is, it's clear from this very moment, at the latest from
[00:12:38] this moment, that it's more than compromised, because the biggest
[00:12:42] problem with this case is actually not the fact that August
[00:12:45] Huning, as the former head of the BND, obtained some
[00:12:49] documents and then actually passed those documents on to some
[00:12:53] third countries that benefited from it in some way. So, among other things, it was about
[00:12:56] information about the state of the Russian
[00:13:00] military or the Iranian nuclear program, meaning very
[00:13:03] sensitive information for which someone was certainly prepared to
[00:13:07] pay a substantial fee.
[00:13:10] The problem is that it is, of course, an embarrassment, nothing less than
[00:13:14] a big embarrassment for the German intelligence system, precisely
[00:13:17] at a time when the BND under the current leadership
[00:13:20] of Martin Eger is trying to recover from numerous reputational
[00:13:24] blows in recent years. So, that embarrassment is exacerbated
[00:13:28] by the fact that a few years ago there was another case from the BND, one
[00:13:31] of their intelligence officers leaked information, apparently
[00:13:35] to Russian intelligence services, and it is precisely in these days, months, that before
[00:13:39] a Berlin court that case is being untangled,
[00:13:42] an attempt is being made to find out the extent of that
[00:13:45] case, the extent of the guilt of that
[00:13:48] intelligence officer. Besides embarrassment, much more important for
[00:13:52] all of us actually in Europe, not only in Germany but in the European Union,
[00:13:56] is the fact that this case further
[00:14:00] undermines trust in the BND as a key
[00:14:03] security agency in Europe. I remind you that
[00:14:07] it is a service responsible for cooperation abroad
[00:14:10] and for activities abroad. Among other things, it is, for example, the counterpart
[00:14:14] of the American CIA. As such, the agency is, of course, responsible for
[00:14:18] cooperation, for cooperation with similar agencies in other
[00:14:21] countries, partner countries for information exchange.
[00:14:25] "Among other things, for example, regarding the prevention
[00:14:28] of possible terrorist attacks. In a situation like this, trust
[00:14:32] in the BND is lost. Some
[00:14:35] other services in friendly countries might think twice
[00:14:38] about whether they will share confidential information
[00:14:42] related to possible terrorist activities, uh,
[00:14:45] the situation in Russia, in Iran, in China, or some other
[00:14:49] countries, so to speak, with German services, with German
[00:14:53] colleagues from the BND, when they are not sure whether that
[00:14:56] information will remain confidential within
[00:14:59] the BND's structures tomorrow, or whether it might be released
[00:15:03] to some third countries, precisely those countries that are concerned about that information.
[00:15:07] Yes, uh, the question was there before, of course, but now it's quite
[00:15:10] clear that it's a problem for allied services as
[00:15:14] well, not just for the German service, that their
[00:15:17] agents might also be compromised. Uh,
[00:15:20] another topic that is perhaps somehow related
[00:15:23] to this and to German
[00:15:25] institutions,
[00:15:28] the new, or relatively new, British Prime Minister
[00:15:31] confirmed yesterday that he had received
[00:15:35] confirmation from his intelligence services that Russia did
[00:15:38] indeed influence that infamous Brexit referendum, because
[00:15:42] of which the United Kingdom ultimately left
[00:15:46] the European Union. Uh, we can now
[00:15:49] perhaps connect this with another uh event from
[00:15:52] two days ago. Ukraine reportedly hit several
[00:15:56] facilities in Russia that were apparently
[00:16:00] so-called troll farms, and a drop in traffic
[00:16:03] was observed, a drop in support, a drop in discussion about
[00:16:06] , for example, Alternative for Germany in Germany
[00:16:09] in the last two days, their activity on social
[00:16:12] networks, liking statuses, and so on
[00:16:16] and so forth. Now, uh, this Andy Brinham
[00:16:19] says this is important information for our
[00:16:23] allies, our friends in Germany and France, who
[00:16:26] are having elections soon, and where some
[00:16:30] political changes are expected. Uh, is this
[00:16:33] all that I have mentioned a topic in Germany?
[00:16:36] The attack on Russian troll farms leads to
[00:16:39] concrete and very visible political
[00:16:43] consequences, or consequences for political
[00:16:45] communication, as well as this warning that came from
[00:16:48] London. It is current, of course, because it is not actually
[00:16:52] anything new, these are just some new indications, it is a matter that has been
[00:16:56] continuously developing over the past years. I remind you that a few
[00:16:59] years ago there was a big story here in the European Union and here in Germany
[00:17:02] about the possible activity
[00:17:05] of such troll farms that were located in North
[00:17:09] Macedonia and influenced the outcome, or rather, the activities
[00:17:13] of the pre-election period in the United States of America.
[00:17:16] Uh, the ties between AfD and Russia are no
[00:17:19] novelty. There are documented
[00:17:22] analyses and reports, among other things, in the German press for
[00:17:26] years, that there are direct financial flows
[00:17:30] and, to put it mildly, support
[00:17:33] between Russia, or rather, Russian agencies, and even high-ranking
[00:17:37] state institutions, among others, the AfD in Germany,
[00:17:40] but also some other parties in the European Union, or rather,
[00:17:44] in Europe. You just mentioned Brexit, or the departure of the United Kingdom. At that time,
[00:17:48] the United Kingdom was still in the European Union, whose
[00:17:52] goal was, of course, to put it simply, to weaken the European Union.
[00:17:55] Germany has long been perhaps the first
[00:17:59] to be targeted, so to speak, because Germany
[00:18:02] is defined as the largest country of the European Union, as the largest
[00:18:06] economy, and... the calculation is quite
[00:18:09] clear, just like in the times of the Cold
[00:18:12] War. If someone succeeds, of course, in quotation marks,
[00:18:16] that's how it's interpreted, to bring down Germany, then it will be easy to bring down all
[00:18:19] other countries of the European Union. Germany is particularly
[00:18:23] interesting in this context because it provides the greatest
[00:18:26] assistance to Ukrainians in Europe,
[00:18:30] military. Of course, in that context, we should also recall
[00:18:34] the very recent incident in Leipzig at the airport
[00:18:38] when the authorities discovered a Russian
[00:18:41] drone, or rather, drones, near planes that were delivering aid
[00:18:45] to Ukraine. So, the whole series of activities that leads to the fact
[00:18:49] that the authorities in Berlin, or the federal government, have long actually claimed
[00:18:52] that Germany is in some kind of uh
[00:18:56] conflict, or rather, targeted, among other things, by
[00:19:00] Russia. Intelligence services are, of course, working in all directions.
[00:19:04] European and American intelligence services are certainly working in the opposite
[00:19:07] direction, just as Russian services are working in this direction. This is exactly what
[00:19:11] an old good
[00:19:15] example reminds us of, to illustrate how far it can go. You mentioned it very
[00:19:18] briefly in the announcement, but let's explain it to the viewers, because it's very
[00:19:21] interesting and actually shows the extent of how far it can go.
[00:19:25] The biggest spy affair in German post-war history
[00:19:29] is not this one with Henning and the BND, but with Willy
[00:19:32] Brandt. That was an affair that actually led, as you said, to Willy's resignation
[00:19:36] or withdrawal from his position as German Chancellor.
[00:19:40] Why did he leave? Because he took political responsibility
[00:19:42] in 1974
[00:19:45] for the uncovering of
[00:19:49] the Stasi spy Günter Guillaume, who was
[00:19:52] practically his personal assistant in the Chancellor's office in Bonn.
[00:19:56] Guillaume worked in the Chancellor's office from
[00:19:59] 1972 until he was uncovered in 1974.
[00:20:03] He was a close associate of Willy Brandt,
[00:20:06] but his handler was the
[00:20:09] Stasi, the East German, practically secret
[00:20:13] police. Yes, there's no shortage of such affairs
[00:20:16] in Germany. We'll see how this one ultimately ends
[00:20:20] and in what direction it will go. Just for the end, one last
[00:20:23] question about Russia and Germany and how
[00:20:27] high and how far these
[00:20:29] ties go, and when it comes to former German
[00:20:33] chancellors, Gerhard Schröder was happily
[00:20:36] celebrating with... Vladimir Putin. That's a scene
[00:20:39] that, of course, went around all of Germany, all of Europe. That's nothing
[00:20:43] new. We know that Schröder was also on the supervisory board of Gazprom, and
[00:20:47] we know that this connection is extremely strong. "And
[00:20:50] we know how the current German Chancellor Friedrich Merz reacted
[00:20:54] to it.
[00:20:57] Well, he wasn't happy, let's say that. The Germans
[00:21:00] actually, when we look at it and the reactions to this latest
[00:21:03] scene, meaning a cheerful Schröder with
[00:21:07] maybe a little less cheerful, but uh, he certainly
[00:21:10] wasn't displeased that Schröder was in Vladimir Putin's company celebrating their
[00:21:14] birthday precisely at a time when Russian missiles
[00:21:18] are practically killing tens of thousands of Ukrainian
[00:21:21] civilians again. A difficult image to bear, especially for people in
[00:21:25] Germany who have advocated for a peaceful resolution
[00:21:28] to that conflict in recent years, or at least some
[00:21:32] kind of freezing of that conflict so that civilians on
[00:21:35] both sides do not suffer, to stop the killing and those horrific attacks,
[00:21:39] especially on the civilian population. The question of
[00:21:43] Schröder and his relationship with Russia and his activities
[00:21:46] is a long-running saga that has been going on practically since the day after
[00:21:50] he left the Chancellor's office. One should not, of course,
[00:21:53] forget the fact that as a former Chancellor, he is still
[00:21:56] uh, financed by German
[00:21:59] taxpayers. As a former Chancellor, he still receives
[00:22:03] certain compensations, let's say, which are not
[00:22:06] that small. On the other hand, he earns
[00:22:09] well from Russia,
[00:22:13] he receives money, of course, from Moscow for his activities, especially in
[00:22:16] the energy sector, and here he is actually called
[00:22:20] Vladimir Putin's most important lobbyist. Many would not
[00:22:24] perhaps mind it so much if
[00:22:27] Schröder, with such good connections and access to Vladimir
[00:22:30] Putin, did not use that influence in a productive
[00:22:34] way and in some way, whatever that may be,
[00:22:37] influenced Vladimir Putin to, among other things,
[00:22:41] stop killing civilians. Yes,
[00:22:44] we will, of course, follow all that further. We will see, in the rest
[00:22:47] of our show soon, what is happening between Ukraine and currently
[00:22:51] with, of course, mediation or without mediation
[00:22:54] from the US. Srećko, thank you anyway for being our guest this
[00:22:58] morning. Thanks for the invitation.
[00:23:10] And we'll see what's happening in the economy,
[00:23:14] or rather, today in the e-consultation, the rulebook on
[00:23:17] anchor prices is also going. It will last less
[00:23:20] than 30 days because it needs to be implemented as
[00:23:24] announced by November 17th. So we will know, among other things,
[00:23:28] who is exempt from anchor prices. We are now
[00:23:31] going to our Ivan Hrstić.
[00:23:34] Ivan, uh, we were already supposed to start with
[00:23:38] those famous anchor prices. Some entrepreneurs, some
[00:23:42] restaurateurs, some artisans have already included
[00:23:45] those anchor prices in their price lists, then the minister
[00:23:49] suddenly gave up, but actually says, we didn't give up, we just
[00:23:52] postponed it briefly. What is
[00:23:55] happening and what can
[00:23:56] be expected?
[00:24:01] Yes, many gloated when the minister abandoned that date,
[00:24:05] but the gloating was short-lived, because soon it became
[00:24:09] clear that it was only a minor delay to restart
[00:24:12] everything again in November.
[00:24:16] It is clear, therefore, that anchor prices will continue,
[00:24:20] that there is no giving up,
[00:24:23] eventually it seems that some will be spared,
[00:24:27] who exactly, we will find out only when
[00:24:31] that rulebook is published, when it finally
[00:24:34] appears on the e-consultation portal.
[00:24:37] Then we will know who are those who received some
[00:24:40] kind of pardon. It is speculated that it could be
[00:24:44] those who perform intellectual services,
[00:24:47] lawyers, perhaps... some other
[00:24:50] public services, all those who are actually already
[00:24:54] under the scrutiny of regulators, or whose regulator
[00:24:58] determines the maximum price, so it would perhaps make less sense
[00:25:02] for them anyway, and it would be more difficult
[00:25:05] to implement. However, many others will not be
[00:25:09] spared. Furthermore, the ministry, or rather the government,
[00:25:12] is convinced that citizens will benefit from it, that they can
[00:25:16] clearly see what the price was before, how much is it now so that...
[00:25:20] they know how much something has increased in price, maybe in the hope that
[00:25:24] it will lead to traders
[00:25:26] being reluctant
[00:25:30] to increase prices, how realistic is that, how
[00:25:33] not, of course we have already heard many objections
[00:25:37] from associations that gather those
[00:25:40] who are affected by it, who have received a very
[00:25:44] large administrative task of dealing with all
[00:25:47] that, introducing new software, which is not
[00:25:50] cheap either, so they complain that new
[00:25:54] tasks are being added to them that they should not
[00:25:58] even be dealing with, if nothing else, that should perhaps be the
[00:26:01] job of the state. In their opinion, in
[00:26:05] the extreme case if it really has to be that way, but the
[00:26:08] ministry responds that they have indeed
[00:26:12] done a lot to ease
[00:26:15] administrative tasks for entrepreneurs, they list how many
[00:26:18] hundreds of millions have eased the burden, but of course
[00:26:22] that is some kind of protest
[00:26:25] that that does not mean that the money
[00:26:28] that the state has in a way given up
[00:26:32] does not go exactly from the backs of those who have
[00:26:35] the greatest administrative burden in introducing
[00:26:38] these anchored prices. As for us citizens, we would probably
[00:26:42] like those anchored prices to have been there from the beginning, maybe the prices
[00:26:46] today would be much lower, now all
[00:26:50] psychological barriers have been
[00:26:53] broken and the question for
[00:26:57] let's say six months, what will that particular date
[00:27:00] in... in history mean to us, perhaps there should be some, some
[00:27:04] inter-anchored price 30 days ago so that we could
[00:27:07] see what the actual passing speed
[00:27:10] of the growth of those prices is, we hope that it will all
[00:27:13] slow down, but everything depends of course on fuel prices also
[00:27:17] on the international market which are actually the main
[00:27:20] culprit for the increase in prices at this moment
[00:27:24] or for the re-acceleration of inflation. Croatian citizens are primarily
[00:27:28] interested in lower prices. in any possible
[00:27:32] way and of course they are less
[00:27:35] interested in something that could be PR
[00:27:38] of this or that side. Soon we expect to see what
[00:27:42] it is about and to see the first reactions
[00:27:45] of entrepreneurs, craftsmen, all those who believe that they are affected
[00:27:48] or harmed by it. Yes,
[00:28:28] has been agreed on the energy infrastructure between Ukraine and
[00:28:32] Moscow, but there are no official confirmations from Kyiv and
[00:28:36] Moscow. Ukrainian President Zelensky caught live,
[00:28:39] we are in Kyiv.