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[00:04:12] Good morning and welcome again, a new day
[00:04:15] in the Zagreb studio of N1 Television. We will devote the next
[00:04:19] minutes to the development of events between Ukraine and Russia,
[00:04:23] of course with the mediation, that is, the somewhat
[00:04:26] shocking decision of Donald Trump to lift the barrier.
[00:04:30] That is, to suspend sanctions against Russian
[00:04:33] energy sources, let them go to
[00:04:37] the rest of the world. In the background of that decision is, of course,
[00:04:40] the question of the American mid-term elections, that is,
[00:04:43] the so-called elections that come halfway through
[00:04:47] the mandate and where Trump and the Republicans are doing
[00:04:51] quite badly, in no small part due to high
[00:04:54] inflation and high energy prices precisely in
[00:04:57] the USA itself. So now. What will that actually
[00:05:01] mean for geostrategic relations in
[00:05:04] the world, for the consequences for those very relations, what
[00:05:08] of that oil that Russia sells will end
[00:05:11] up as financing the attack
[00:05:15] on Ukraine, what will go to Iran, what will go to China and so on
[00:05:18] and so forth, all of that is somewhere in third or
[00:05:22] tenth place for Donald Trump, but high on
[00:05:25] his priorities, on his list of priorities is the question
[00:05:29] of elections in Ukraine, that is, the intention to remove
[00:05:33] Volodymyr Zelenskyy. We will talk about all this with our guest
[00:05:37] soon, but before that, let's hear what Zelenskyy
[00:05:40] himself had to say based on this latest
[00:05:44] development of events, that is, based on the fact that Donald
[00:05:47] Trump announced that an infrastructure
[00:05:51] ceasefire, an energy ceasefire, has been reached, that is, that
[00:05:55] an agreement has been reached between Russia and Ukraine not to
[00:05:58] attack energy facilities. The question,
[00:06:02] of course, is whether someone told the Ukrainians, if not the Russians?
[00:06:05] Ukrajincima?
[00:06:07] And today there is a statement from the President of the United States
[00:06:11] that... an energy ceasefire
[00:06:15] has been reached, this is good news
[00:06:17] for everyone, it is important that this
[00:06:20] becomes part of reality. Ukraine
[00:06:23] is ready not to strike Russian
[00:06:27] energy and we expect similar
[00:06:30] readiness from Russia. We welcome
[00:06:33] such an agreement. Unfortunately, throughout the day
[00:06:37] today there were Russian Shaheds in the sky, now
[00:06:40] there are also Shaheds in the sky, and there were
[00:06:43] strikes, unfortunately, from air bombs and there were strikes on our
[00:06:47] energy infrastructure.
[00:06:49] We are now going to Kyiv to our guest, Professor Maksym
[00:06:53] Kamenyetsky from the Institute of International Relations in Kyiv. Professor, good day to you and
[00:06:57] welcome to our program.
[00:07:00] Good day to you and your
[00:07:04] viewers. Let's start by seeing
[00:07:07] if this ceasefire that Donald
[00:07:10] Trump mentioned has really been respected,
[00:07:13] that is, that there are no attacks on energy infrastructure either
[00:07:17] in Russia or in
[00:07:18] Ukraine.
[00:07:22] Uh, it's a bit strange for me, uh, what
[00:07:25] Trump said, actually he didn't mention
[00:07:28] any
[00:07:32] Russian statements about that, because that's
[00:07:35] the main, main thing, whether
[00:07:39] Russia accepted what Trump said. And that's where I
[00:07:43] have the biggest doubt, the biggest doubts, because
[00:07:46] from the Russian side, what I heard last
[00:07:49] night, was that Russia would only consider
[00:07:53] uh such, such
[00:07:55] things, however, what they did last night already
[00:07:59] after this Trump's statement, they struck
[00:08:02] several places, as far as Kharkiv is concerned,
[00:08:06] uh, they hit one
[00:08:09] power plant there. I don't know,
[00:08:13] I mean, I'm in Kyiv, but in Kyiv they
[00:08:16] hit one
[00:08:18] part of this electrical system
[00:08:22] of the city, which is responsible
[00:08:25] for supplying uh apartments
[00:08:28] of approximately hundreds of thousands of Kyiv residents
[00:08:30] and somewhere around half
[00:08:34] of Kyiv's power supply
[00:08:37] to pumps, water pumps that
[00:08:39] supply residential buildings with water, hot and
[00:08:43] cold. After this strike, about a hundred
[00:08:46] thousand Kyiv residents were left without electricity and
[00:08:50] half of the city of Kyiv was without
[00:08:53] any water overnight, this was already
[00:08:57] after uh after this statement by Trump about
[00:09:01] an energy ceasefire, so for
[00:09:04] me it's a bit
[00:09:07] premature or or something he said is
[00:09:11] most likely, as often happened before, it's
[00:09:14] some kind of desire for Trump to believe that he achieved
[00:09:17] some kind of agreement, that is, Ukraine and Russia
[00:09:21] certainly achieved nothing, uh, because
[00:09:24] there were no such bilateral agreements,
[00:09:27] it's something that was most likely at the level
[00:09:31] between uh Ukraine, USA,
[00:09:34] USA, Russia, but Russia has not yet confirmed that it
[00:09:38] has really stopped or is ready for
[00:09:41] these strikes. And a very important
[00:09:45] thing, uh, there is no,
[00:09:47] uh, any, any notion of
[00:09:51] what Ukraine and Russia consider energy
[00:09:54] facilities, because, one
[00:09:58] thing, uh, these,
[00:10:00] these factories, oil refineries in
[00:10:04] Russia, which, which Ukraine
[00:10:07] is really hitting, quite effectively,
[00:10:11] but as for.
[00:10:25] everything that supplies, say, large cities
[00:10:29] with heat, water and electricity, uh,
[00:10:32] plus pumps that they also
[00:10:35] started hitting in our territory, there's nothing,
[00:10:39] nothing is known, that's why I think it's just
[00:10:43] the beginning of some talks and
[00:10:46] unfortunately I think there will be more
[00:10:50] information about strikes on energy
[00:10:53] infrastructure. From the Russian side,
[00:10:56] uh, I'm almost sure, and ours will certainly
[00:11:00] respond to such Russian
[00:11:02] policy. How is Donald Trump's
[00:11:06] and the American administration's decision to
[00:11:09] uh Russian oil actually be exempted
[00:11:13] from the framework of sanctions against Russia,
[00:11:16] to allow it to enter the international
[00:11:20] system, that is, for Russia to, of course, earn
[00:11:23] something from it, perceived in Ukraine?
[00:11:26] Yes, of course, such
[00:11:28] ideas, Ukrainians no
[00:11:32] longer look
[00:11:35] at Trump through rose-tinted glasses
[00:11:38] and are quite
[00:11:40] skeptical about what he
[00:11:44] says and what he does, unfortunately this
[00:11:48] suspension of intelligence
[00:11:51] sharing, which is crucial for Ukraine's
[00:11:55] defense, already at the beginning
[00:11:57] of Trump's administration
[00:12:01] already cost civilian
[00:12:05] Ukrainians lives,
[00:12:08] but as for what he
[00:12:11] is doing now, first I must
[00:12:14] say one thing that coincides
[00:12:18] with that situation, if you
[00:12:20] remember from the Oval Office in
[00:12:25] the house and the quarrel
[00:12:29] between him and Zelenskyy about clothes, gratitude and
[00:12:33] so on, it led to
[00:12:36] an increase in support
[00:12:39] for Ukrainians and Zelenskyy, with
[00:12:42] many, many people
[00:12:44] being skeptical towards
[00:12:47] towards Zelenskyy
[00:12:49] and his,
[00:12:52] his certain colleagues. But still, what
[00:12:55] Trump often does benefits
[00:12:59] Zelenskyy's authority
[00:13:03] among Ukrainians
[00:13:06] and Ukrainians also know very well that the amount
[00:13:09] of oil, i.e. diesel, that Russia
[00:13:13] allegedly supplied to the territory of the United
[00:13:16] States, that the completely agreed quantity
[00:13:20] is approximately for ten to fifteen hours of the American
[00:13:23] market's needs. Given that America itself is
[00:13:27] one of the biggest exporters of that
[00:13:29] oil, this is about other things,
[00:13:33] first of all, what allegedly and
[00:13:37] this deal that Trump made
[00:13:41] with Putin is most likely related to the future
[00:13:45] purchase of Lukoil's
[00:13:47] assets of this Russian giant
[00:13:50] Lukoil,
[00:13:52] uh, which allegedly,
[00:13:56] uh, people from Trump's closest circle have
[00:13:59] interests. Most likely that deal was about
[00:14:03] that, and on the other hand, that
[00:14:06] move uh eases
[00:14:09] pressure on Ukraine that Putin
[00:14:12] wants to achieve in order for
[00:14:15] Ukraine to stop its
[00:14:19] uh, its resistance to this
[00:14:23] Russian aggression. So Ukrainians saw nothing
[00:14:27] new there and the way
[00:14:30] it turned out again confirms
[00:14:34] that Trump is a very unpredictable person.
[00:14:38] It's quite difficult to comment on what could even
[00:14:42] be
[00:14:44] some uh some
[00:14:48] diagnosis for psychiatrists.
[00:14:51] Uh, one of the biggest problems for uh... Trump, but not just for Trump,
[00:14:55] but also for Republicans, but also for the AFD in Germany,
[00:14:58] Marine Le Pen in France and so
[00:15:01] on, is the fact that
[00:15:04] Ukraine hit data centers in Russia,
[00:15:07] primarily Yandex, one of the most famous data
[00:15:11] centers uh in Russia, or what is
[00:15:14] usually colloquially called a troll
[00:15:17] farm here in the West. You can see
[00:15:21] literally on a daily basis... look how terribly support
[00:15:25] for the AFD is falling,
[00:15:27] for Marine Le Pen in France,
[00:15:30] for some other parties, people
[00:15:34] who support Brexit, Nigel Farage.
[00:15:37] In England, and of course, Republicans and Trump
[00:15:41] in the US. So there is a very clear cause-and-effect
[00:15:45] relationship. Is that what is perhaps actually the biggest problem for
[00:15:48] Trump if attacks on data centers in Russia
[00:15:52] continued, that it would clearly reflect
[00:15:56] on political relations in the West,
[00:15:59] that is, support for parties that are
[00:16:02] most often considered radical and that
[00:16:06] undermine the way the West has functioned
[00:16:09] for the last 50 years and longer.
[00:16:13] And I must say that this
[00:16:16] tool that is in these
[00:16:20] computer networks, that is actually a tool
[00:16:24] uhm and through that tool
[00:16:27] Russia uses everything you
[00:16:30] mentioned, uh, I must say that
[00:16:33] it is still felt in Ukraine,
[00:16:35] because that hybrid war is being waged not
[00:16:39] only, not only in the West,
[00:16:42] but even more so in Ukraine
[00:16:46] for
[00:16:47] the opinion of Ukrainians.
[00:16:51] We also felt that, uh,
[00:16:54] I think, unfortunately,
[00:16:57] uh, one thing, Russians will, of course,
[00:17:01] find a way to move these
[00:17:04] data centers to other
[00:17:07] locations, I don't know, can they even move
[00:17:11] them to Belarus, and they can
[00:17:15] continue the work of those data
[00:17:18] centers, uh, the problem is that
[00:17:21] society is now in such a
[00:17:24] quantity of information that is
[00:17:28] currently reaching every person, it
[00:17:31] certainly cannot decide what
[00:17:35] should be, who and how one should support
[00:17:38] in elections, and that's
[00:17:41] why such populism like linking, for example, aid
[00:17:45] to Ukraine with economic problems in those
[00:17:48] countries, that is a very favorable thing
[00:17:51] for everyone who works for Putin
[00:17:55] and, uh, then of course, a strike
[00:17:59] on such infrastructure that
[00:18:02] uses that tool of information
[00:18:05] transfer for some time. Time will certainly
[00:18:08] reduce
[00:18:12] perhaps the influence
[00:18:15] of Russian influence formed, it is a hybrid, really
[00:18:19] hybrid warfare that Russia is waging, it will decrease
[00:18:23] for some time, but for a certain
[00:18:26] time, uh, it will return to its
[00:18:30] or try to return to those
[00:18:34] indicators, however, what uh...
[00:18:37] Problems at Russian data centers
[00:18:40] uh led to a reduction
[00:18:44] in political propaganda of some forces
[00:18:48] in Europe, that is still an indicator
[00:18:51] of how different and dangerous that
[00:18:55] hybrid war is in current Europe
[00:18:58] and it concerns European countries,
[00:19:02] unfortunately. One of the things Trump brought
[00:19:05] up in the last two days as a demand to Ukraine
[00:19:09] is a repeated demand for elections to be held, again
[00:19:13] the question why Zelenskyy is still president, the answer that
[00:19:17] came was, if Russia stopped attacking, maybe elections
[00:19:20] could be held, but what is the current
[00:19:24] position of President Zelenskyy in Ukrainian
[00:19:26] society, in Ukrainian political
[00:19:30] public opinion? Uh, as I said, after
[00:19:33] such arguments with Trump, his authority
[00:19:37] increases and he still enjoys great
[00:19:40] or maybe even majority
[00:19:43] uh majority support from Ukrainians,
[00:19:46] regardless of having competitors,
[00:19:50] there are also those who
[00:19:53] are dissatisfied with most of his personnel
[00:19:56] appointments, that, that, that is certainly true and
[00:20:00] problems were uh for every president
[00:20:03] of Ukraine, but unlike Putin, unlike
[00:20:07] Trump, uh, Zelenskyy certainly doesn't fear
[00:20:10] elections. Uh, another thing I
[00:20:14] must emphasize, uh, the question of elections in Ukraine,
[00:20:18] that is not Trump's question. And he has nothing
[00:20:21] to say about that, uh, I mean,
[00:20:24] such statements, uh,
[00:20:27] I know he doesn't always choose his words
[00:20:30] or perhaps uses some claims
[00:20:33] that are not quite fitting for a political
[00:20:37] leader of that level, but certainly, uh,
[00:20:41] when it comes to clinging to his
[00:20:44] armchair, he is in a worse
[00:20:47] position than Zelenskyy. Zelenskyy himself will
[00:20:51] decide whether he should run or
[00:20:55] he would leave this
[00:20:57] position, whom will they elect
[00:21:01] uh in the elections, that will be decided by the Ukrainian people
[00:21:04] and uh unlike
[00:21:08] Putin, for example, who has been in power
[00:21:11] for over 20 years
[00:21:14] uh with rigged elections
[00:21:17] or Trump who says that
[00:21:21] his victory was stolen and now he has to fight
[00:21:25] against attempts of
[00:21:28] abduction in new elections,
[00:21:32] Zelenskyy can freely choose,
[00:21:35] he can freely choose, I know that a rather large
[00:21:39] part of Ukrainians would vote for him if he ran
[00:21:42] again, there are people who are told that
[00:21:46] they would be competition to him, that certainly exists
[00:21:50] in Ukraine,
[00:21:54] they live normally in Ukraine
[00:21:57] uh unlike, say, Russia or Belarus, so those
[00:22:01] elections will be decided by the Ukrainian people
[00:22:05] and Zelenskyy will decide
[00:22:07] whether to run, and for
[00:22:10] now his support is sufficient for
[00:22:14] governing, governing the state.
[00:22:17] Yes, we will, of course, continue to follow what is happening, so... finally, just
[00:22:21] information that has just been announced by
[00:22:24] the spokesperson of the European Commission that the European Union
[00:22:27] will support Ukraine with, if I'm not mistaken, about six
[00:22:30] billion uh euros for precisely
[00:22:34] defense, strengthening defense capabilities.
[00:22:37] It is clear that for Europe, Ukraine is of crucial
[00:22:40] importance and that it can no longer rely on
[00:22:44] America.
[00:22:47] Yes, unfortunately, unfortunately, yes, but.
[00:22:50] "We have no other choice but to fight in such
[00:22:54] conditions, which we will continue to do.
[00:22:56] Yes, Professor Kamenetsky, thank you very much for being our
[00:23:00] guest. Of course, we wish you a peaceful and
[00:23:04] safe continuation of the day.
[00:23:07] Thank you very much, Krešimir, and to your viewers, and
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