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[00:09:12] Dear viewers, good day, I am Nina Kljenak, you are watching
[00:09:15] N1 studio live. Will
[00:09:18] the session of the National Security Committee, which was announced last
[00:09:22] week, be held and when? It seems that this week
[00:09:38] it will not. The chairman of the committee, Ranko Ostović, told Nova TV
[00:09:41] that only if it is concluded that SOA leaders should be invited,
[00:09:44] then it will be at one of the next sessions. But what will certainly
[00:09:48] be held tomorrow in Parliament is a debate on confidence
[00:09:51] in the prime minister. We will follow that live tomorrow, of course. In the meantime,
[00:09:54] a new Cro Demoscop has arrived. The Cro Demoscop survey, conducted
[00:09:58] by the agency Promocija plus, shows that HDZ's support has fallen
[00:10:01] to 25%, which is its weakest result in Prime Minister
[00:10:05] Andrej's third term.
[00:10:09] The SDP is at just under 20%, which is also its
[00:10:12] lowest rating in the same period. Možemo
[00:10:15] continues to grow for the third month in a row, and is now at almost
[00:10:19] 14%. Bridge is showing a slight increase, approaching
[00:10:23] 10% support. So we will analyze
[00:10:27] all of that in the studio, bringing you information and reactions
[00:10:30] from the field. And the rulebook on price fixing goes into public
[00:10:33] consultation today. The document should precisely define which activities
[00:10:36] will have to publish earlier prices, but who will be
[00:10:40] exempt from the new obligation. Entrepreneurs are still against
[00:10:43] it. We are also following what is happening with Russia and Ukraine.
[00:10:47] According to media reports, the United States is threatening to suspend
[00:10:50] the supply of weapons and intelligence to Ukraine in order to pressure it
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[00:10:58] this morning, the Russians hit a residential area near Kharkiv.
[00:11:01] There are dead, some teenagers
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[00:11:08] us. Let's go to our reporter
[00:11:12] Katarina Plantak for more information about the impeachment
[00:11:16] and about the SOA and about Cro Demoskop, after all,
[00:11:19] Katarina, it was announced that the
[00:11:22] session of the National Security Committee would be held this
[00:11:30] week, it was declared a victory for the opposition, primarily
[00:11:34] Sandra Benčić, but as things stand, nothing this week.
[00:11:38] We also found out that only the committee members
[00:11:42] have to vote on whether they will invite the SOA
[00:11:45] to come, even though why not, given that there are
[00:11:49] some unresolved issues, that's one thing,
[00:11:53] on the other hand, the opposition,
[00:11:57] SDP and Možemo, are preparing for tomorrow's
[00:12:00] parliament session on the impeachment of the prime minister,
[00:12:04] this is the fourth attempt to impeach Andrej
[00:12:07] Plenković in all these terms. Yes, Nina, that's right, we were waiting
[00:12:09] for that session of the National Security Committee, it was
[00:12:13] announced that it would be held this week, especially after
[00:12:16] Ranko Ostojić stated at the session two weeks ago
[00:12:20] that SOA
[00:12:22] had information about illegal
[00:12:25] waste disposal in Gospić back in 2022,
[00:12:29] and that it had forwarded the information to the competent
[00:12:32] institutions. Of course, the question arose as to which competent
[00:12:36] institutions, and whether it had sent that information to
[00:12:39] the President of the Republic, the President of the Parliament, and also to the government.
[00:12:42] All of them stated that they had not received that
[00:12:46] information. Similarly, the information that they had not received any
[00:12:49] information from SOA was stated by Dirh and
[00:12:52] Dorh, and also by the Ministry of Interior. The investigation
[00:12:56] into what information SOA had and to whom it had actually
[00:12:59] forwarded it then lasted. After all, last week, at the end
[00:13:03] of last week, Sandra Benčić, and the opposition said that they had won,
[00:13:07] that is, that a new session of the National Security
[00:13:11] Committee would be convened, at which representatives of SOA
[00:13:14] would also be present, because we know that two weeks ago there
[00:13:18] were no SOA representatives, only a report.
[00:13:21] We expected that session this week, but Ranko
[00:13:25] Ostojić stated yesterday for Nova TV's daily news
[00:13:28] that it would not be held this week due to a busy schedule.
[00:13:32] I spoke to some members of the committee, and they confirmed
[00:13:35] that to me. They said that the committee session would be held, but not
[00:13:39] this week. As for SOA, they told me that they still have
[00:13:42] no information that SOA will not be at that
[00:13:45] meeting. However, according to what Ranko Ostojić said, it seems
[00:13:47] that at that meeting, or rather, the committee session,
[00:13:51] there will first be a vote on whether there is a need
[00:13:55] for SOA members to attend that meeting, and only then
[00:13:58] at the next session could SOA members
[00:14:02] appear before the parliamentary committee to discuss what actually happened
[00:14:06] in Gospić in 2022, what information they had, and to whom
[00:14:09] they forwarded it. But what is certainly happening in the Croatian
[00:14:13] Parliament tomorrow is the state of the nation. The Prime Minister
[00:14:16] will also be in Parliament and will present
[00:14:20] to the parliamentary representatives
[00:14:23] the state of the country, that is, what the government has done.
[00:14:27] But after that, there will be a debate on the attempt to impeach the government
[00:14:30] at the proposal of the SDP. 54
[00:14:34] representatives signed the impeachment proposal.
[00:14:38] All representatives from the left were joined
[00:14:42] by representatives of Most. Representatives of the Drito party did not
[00:14:45] join the signing, nor did representatives
[00:14:49] of the Domina and Croatian Sovereignists parties. Igor Peternel
[00:14:53] said that he does not want to build anything with the Left,
[00:14:57] but that he will support the impeachment in the vote.
[00:15:00] As I said, this is the fourth attempt to impeach
[00:15:03] Andrej Plenković's government since he came
[00:15:06] to power in 2016. The first attempt to impeach
[00:15:09] him happened in 2017.
[00:15:13] It was also initiated by the SDP due to
[00:15:16] the Agrokor case. After that, a full six years passed until a new attempt
[00:15:20] to impeach him. It is an interesting fact that the impeachment
[00:15:24] in 2023 came from
[00:15:28] the current HDZ coalition partners,
[00:15:31] the Homeland Movement. Then again in 2024,
[00:15:34] in December, by the HDZ. The third
[00:15:37] attempt to impeach Andrej Plenković's government,
[00:15:41] due to the arrest
[00:15:44] of Beroš and the gas for cent affair.
[00:15:47] All these impeachments were unsuccessful, the ruling majority
[00:15:51] had the necessary votes. It seems that it will be the same tomorrow. The ruling majority
[00:15:55] currently has 79 votes, so Andrej Plenković,
[00:15:58] and his government, are currently safe. However,
[00:16:01] as for the ratings, the HDZ's rating has been falling
[00:16:05] in the last two years, but in all
[00:16:07] three terms of Andrej Plenković, it now has the lowest
[00:16:11] rating, which is 25%.
[00:16:14] In addition to the HDZ, the SDP is also falling, they have fallen below 20%,
[00:16:18] their current rating is 19.5%,
[00:16:21] while Možemo and Most are growing. Možemo has reached
[00:16:25] 14%, Most is at almost
[00:16:28] 10%, so smaller parties
[00:16:32] are growing while the HDZ and SDP
[00:16:35] are losing ratings. As for the state of the country,
[00:16:39] 17% of respondents believe that the country is going
[00:16:42] in the right direction, only 17%
[00:16:46] of respondents believe that the country is going in the right
[00:16:49] direction. All this is happening,
[00:16:52] we saw last week an extension of the investigation
[00:16:56] into the case in Gospić, the investigation also extended to the company
[00:16:59] Cezar of Petar Pripuz.
[00:17:02] This company was selected in a public
[00:17:05] tender for
[00:17:07] the remediation of the scattered waste in Gospić around
[00:17:11] the PPK Velebit area. What USKOK is currently
[00:17:15] investigating them for is that they collaborated with the
[00:17:18] Xinsek couple, selling
[00:17:21] ground plastic to them and actually
[00:17:24] in a way participating in bringing that illegal
[00:17:27] waste to Benkovac, to the
[00:17:31] area of the Zlatara Paška Dodić quarry.
[00:17:33] By the way, regarding
[00:17:36] that scattered waste and the Cezar company that was supposed
[00:17:40] to remediate that scattered waste, it was expected that
[00:17:44] the government would make a decision and sign
[00:17:47] a contract so that the remediation could begin. However, that contract has not yet been signed,
[00:17:51] so it is now unknown what will happen with the remediation of the
[00:17:55] scattered hazardous waste in Gospić, a total of
[00:17:58] 4,500 tons, given that the contract has not
[00:18:01] yet been signed. This week, the government, the Environmental
[00:18:04] Protection Fund, and the Ministry of Environmental Protection were
[00:18:08] supposed to meet with representatives of the initiative
[00:18:12] to present further steps for remediation.
[00:18:14] Of course, the remediation of the buried waste is also awaited.
[00:18:18] Covering is underway, but it is only a temporary
[00:18:22] measure, it needs to be completely remediated. We see
[00:18:25] now that it is not even known what will happen with this
[00:18:28] scattered waste, given that the government has still
[00:18:31] not signed the decision for the Cezar
[00:18:35] group to remediate that scattered waste. Will they go
[00:18:38] for a new solution, how much will that further
[00:18:42] prolong the remediation, it is not known. The minister
[00:18:46] said last week that it is in their interest
[00:18:50] that the remediation proceeds according to plan, she expects
[00:18:53] everything to be according to plan, but she did not say that
[00:18:56] the contract with the company that is now a suspect in
[00:19:00] the investigation will not be signed, there is still that
[00:19:03] possibility that Cezar will remediate that
[00:19:06] scattered waste. All these are of course questions
[00:19:09] that we need to get answers to, but it will certainly
[00:19:13] be asked in Parliament tomorrow. In addition to that,
[00:19:15] today is also the presidency of the HDZ, so I believe
[00:19:18] that Prime Minister Andrej Plenković will also
[00:19:22] stand before the microphone after the presidency and give
[00:19:25] us some answers to these questions.
[00:19:29] Katarina, thank you, that was our Katarina
[00:19:32] Plantak. Let's now go to the studio to analyze
[00:19:35] everything that is happening
[00:19:37] in Croatia or in the Croatian political sphere. Tomislav Klauški
[00:19:41] has joined me for an analysis. Tomislav, good morning, good
[00:19:44] morning and welcome. Cro Demoscop, these are some new
[00:19:48] data for us, HDZ 25, SDP
[00:19:51] also low, just under 20, Možemo
[00:19:54] and Most are growing. That reminded me, Nikola Grmoja was here the other
[00:19:57] day on the new day and he said:
[00:19:59] The real fight will be
[00:20:03] between Most and Možemo, those are two parties that will grow, according
[00:20:13] to Cro Demoscop, so far it's not far from the truth.
[00:20:17] Well, no? Several things can be seen from that survey:
[00:20:20] first, it is important for the HDZ to enter the next elections
[00:20:24] as a relative winner, that is, to come out of the elections
[00:20:27] as a relative winner and thus win the right to be the first
[00:20:31] to gather a majority, and when the HDZ is the first to gather
[00:20:35] a majority, that means that many
[00:20:38] are willing to enter that alliance, from some
[00:20:42] liberal left to the far right.
[00:20:45] Secondly, it is important for the SDP and Možemo,
[00:20:48] in the combined total, which is not representative,
[00:20:51] it is a national sample, it needs to be done by
[00:20:55] electoral units, all these variables,
[00:20:59] all these variables, it is important for them to have
[00:21:02] more together, more than the HDZ. And as
[00:21:06] for Most and Možemo, they should be seen as
[00:21:10] two satellites, that is, larger
[00:21:13] partners. So, Most, however much it has anti-HDZ
[00:21:17] rhetoric, has recently switched to anti-Plenković
[00:21:20] rhetoric, which means that it has positioned
[00:21:24] itself somehow to be the HDZ's first partner
[00:21:27] in forming the government. So we can expect, although
[00:21:31] they persistently deny it, every time I ask it openly,
[00:21:34] it won't go well, and if it enters
[00:21:38] as a future HDZ partner, it means that everyone
[00:21:41] goes to the elections on an anti-HDZ platform, because that is the platform
[00:21:45] on which votes are won, and then it is counted.
[00:21:49] But you know, I asked Nikola Grmoja about that then,
[00:21:52] and I reminded him of the Homeland Movement, of those posters,
[00:21:55] Vukovar, criminal charges. Today I remembered, in 2023,
[00:21:59] who initiated the impeachment of Andrej Plenković?
[00:22:02] Do you know who? The Homeland Movement.
[00:22:06] It wasn't that long ago, and then he said
[00:22:10] that, but it can't be compared to Most, those are
[00:22:13] all former HDZ members, they all came from the HDZ,
[00:22:17] we are not them. So that topic was, Most
[00:22:20] has always, Most has, since 2015,
[00:22:23] appeared on the political scene as a kind
[00:22:27] of collective consciousness or a beacon of political
[00:22:30] morality or a corrector of others' shortcomings.
[00:22:33] They entered as "we will fix the HDZ, we will be
[00:22:36] a kind of fuse, or a corrector for the HDZ,"
[00:22:40] and today they probably still think the same. So they
[00:22:43] will fix the HDZ, or rather, they will first make sure
[00:22:47] that Karamarko is not too
[00:22:50] self-centered, that the HDZ is not too much under Karamarko's
[00:22:53] control. After that, they tried with Plenković, and Plenković,
[00:22:56] with his secretary, quickly solved that, as we all know,
[00:23:00] because the HDZ doesn't like to be corrected. But the mathematics
[00:23:03] and the whole calculation before the elections are going towards
[00:23:07] Most being, therefore, a competitor to DP
[00:23:10] as the HDZ's first partner. As for Možemo,
[00:23:13] they are already practically cemented partners
[00:23:17] of the SDP. So all these surveys should
[00:23:20] be viewed in that calculation. It is certainly important for the HDZ
[00:23:24] that it, as an individual party, be a relative winner, because
[00:23:28] as such, for now, it is, it will get surplus mandates,
[00:23:32] but it has the lowest rating this
[00:23:35] season. But on the other hand, the HDZ always revolves
[00:23:38] around its 25%, even in the darkest
[00:23:41] times, it had it. Not after Franjo
[00:23:45] Tuđman, after Ivo Sanader, they did not fall below 30%.
[00:23:49] So they, in the elections, they always get
[00:23:52] the maximum, that is,
[00:23:56] that can be called a sect, a cult,
[00:23:59] that is, party loyalty, everyone is tied to the HDZ,
[00:24:03] by interest, emotionally, and at that level,
[00:24:08] they are counting on. So they go to the elections from zero, they go
[00:24:12] to the elections from 25. Well, others don't go from
[00:24:15] zero either, but their springboard, whatever the HDZ
[00:24:19] does, is very high. Well, what do you think, these 20%
[00:24:21] might cause some nervousness within the HDZ,
[00:24:25] because it is true that for their standard, that is not a very high
[00:24:29] rating. Well, that is the question
[00:24:33] of how much, so things have changed in the last 10
[00:24:36] years. Plenković held that stumbling HDZ for some time,
[00:24:39] he was the one who pulled the HDZ with his charisma,
[00:24:43] new approach, persuasiveness. He pulled the HDZ, which was burdened
[00:24:47] by Karamarko and by the verdict and by Sanader's
[00:24:50] legacy and so on. But now things have changed a bit.
[00:24:54] The HDZ, however much it is also marked by everything that is
[00:24:57] happening, feels that Plenković is the one who
[00:25:01] is becoming a burden from a savior. He is the one towards
[00:25:04] whom dissatisfaction and frustrations are channeled,
[00:25:07] so with Gospić and other topics, that their leader
[00:25:11] is becoming a kind of burden, that, for example, Most says
[00:25:14] "we will not work with the HDZ if Plenković..." before that he talks
[00:25:18] about the Homeland Movement, so Plenković has used up his cards
[00:25:21] towards other coalition partners, disappointed them,
[00:25:25] and he has become the face of everything bad that is happening
[00:25:29] in the country. And the HDZ, as a party that always first
[00:25:33] looked at its own survival and preservation, always threw
[00:25:36] overboard those who were a burden to it. So,
[00:25:39] the question is whether that desire for self-preservation of the HDZ
[00:25:42] will decide Plenković's fate tomorrow, just as they erased
[00:25:46] all previous presidents? There is one more interesting thing,
[00:25:50] matches from that country, honey, milk, GDP and
[00:25:53] success that is being attempted to be portrayed
[00:25:57] almost, the percentage is even smaller than the percentage of people who vote
[00:26:01] for HDZ, or who still support HDZ, meaning HDZ 25% approximately,
[00:26:04] and 17% of respondents say they support the direction
[00:26:08] in which the HDZ government and HDZ are leading the country, which means
[00:26:12] that a good portion of HDZ members are perhaps angry at Andrej
[00:26:15] Plenković and the government, because we had already learned
[00:26:19] from the time of Ivo Sanader that when a more liberal
[00:26:23] president of HDZ comes, he takes the government cabinet
[00:26:26] as his own and leaves HDZ to HDZ members, and then you
[00:26:29] have that dichotomy of governance. "where
[00:26:33] therefore the prime minister governs from Banski Dvori, HDZ is, therefore,
[00:26:36] on the ground votes, or governs through
[00:26:40] local sheriffs doing what HDZ does, right? Uh,
[00:26:43] so now we have uh this situation, however,
[00:26:47] among these, that's how many, 83%
[00:26:51] who do not support the direction this country is going,
[00:26:54] that doesn't mean they are all liberal left-wing dissatisfied
[00:26:58] with HDZ, meaning with the government's behavior,
[00:27:01] these can be, therefore... the right, they think Plenković is
[00:27:04] too much, so it depends, of course, on
[00:27:07] the European Union, on Brussels, that there are too many human rights, that we are learning
[00:27:11] the wrong history, that Ustaše should come to power, so that's those 83, it's
[00:27:15] not the electoral base of SDP and Možemo, so
[00:27:18] here is the Homeland Movement, Ustaše, so Ustaše, blackshirts,
[00:27:20] it's all here, right? So it's likely
[00:27:24] that among those 83% they would want that, therefore, Plenković should come, but that
[00:27:28] some other prime minister who would be more to their liking should come, mhm.
[00:27:34] this whole story, who, Zoran Milanović, do
[00:27:37] we remember this this, we know we remember
[00:27:41] him,
[00:27:43] uh, well, no, I'll gently bring you into this story now about soy and about everything and about
[00:27:47] waste, Zoran Milanović who uh convened that
[00:27:51] session at one point of the parliament
[00:27:54] regarding illegal waste and after that he disappeared into
[00:27:57] the wilderness of Berbinograd
[00:28:01] in those were those were those wildernesses, jokes aside, this
[00:28:04] is a collegial comment, so
[00:28:08] let's make it a bit more relaxed, but indeed Zoran Milanović,
[00:28:11] where is he? Well, Zoran Milanović, we knew that would happen
[00:28:14] when he, therefore, from a turbulent first term
[00:28:18] in which he fought for a second term, entered a second term in which he behaves like Stjepan Mesić in
[00:28:22] his second term, where he let, therefore
[00:28:25] Mesić let the country to Ivo, this
[00:28:28] Ivo Sanader, Zoran Milanović is now letting the country to Andrej, what do
[00:28:32] you think. Andrej Plenković, but he perhaps even did what he should have
[00:28:35] done in the first term, let the real
[00:28:38] political opposition of Andrej Plenković, SDP, Možemo,
[00:28:41] let them be the ones who will lead the war against Andrej Plenković, but now the question is
[00:28:45] why did all those people vote for him for what they got or perhaps for something
[00:28:49] else, I mean, they voted for the HDZ government to have
[00:28:53] some counterpoint, or counterbalance, this
[00:28:56] willfulness, there is still that belief that Zoran
[00:28:59] Milanović will curb HDZ, however, Zoran Milanović
[00:29:03] did not curb HDZ, and Zoran Milanović did not save Croatia from HDZ, because wherever
[00:29:06] you look there are some fingerprints of HDZ and
[00:29:10] its affairs, bad governance, institutional
[00:29:13] atrophy and so on, right? Uh, so Zoran Milanović behaves
[00:29:17] as he behaves because he has nothing more to fight for, he no longer wants to
[00:29:21] go to prime ministerial elections, nor to fight for that
[00:29:24] presidential mandate, and he actually behaves like
[00:29:28] Stjepan Mesić behaved in his second mandate, who completely withdrew
[00:29:31] into himself and... he no longer had contact with Ivo
[00:29:35] Sanader, except that they together caught some cash, mm,
[00:29:38] so that Milanović
[00:29:41] is, for example, interesting that Zoran
[00:29:45] Milanović for some time bothered that
[00:29:48] SDP, so it was not thought so,
[00:29:52] and he was a kind of nuisance because all eyes of SDP voters
[00:29:55] and the opposition were fixed on Patočak, not on
[00:29:59] Iblorov Square, or on Možemo, and that was the wrong
[00:30:03] view, because instead of everyone voting for SDP, Možemo,
[00:30:06] in this desire to remove this SDP, everyone
[00:30:10] voted, uh, God, HDZ, everyone voted for Zoran Milanović
[00:30:13] to be the guardian over HDZ, right? So
[00:30:16] they went indirectly towards controlling HDZ, or
[00:30:20] removing it, so Zoran Milanović, on the one
[00:30:23] hand, it's good that he doesn't interfere, on the other hand, it's bad that he doesn't
[00:30:27] interfere, because who will interfere if not, and when
[00:30:30] if not now? This Gospić, this collapse
[00:30:33] of institutions, this horror that is happening, erupts from
[00:30:37] every, every pore, so strikes
[00:30:40] and those institutions, secret services, what
[00:30:43] were they doing? These are topics about which Zoran Milanović can
[00:30:47] speak, these are actually some of these topics are his topics, and Zoran Milanović only talks
[00:30:51] about how the European Union is undemocratic and how the European Union is bad,
[00:30:55] so he repeats a mantra that apparently has some
[00:30:58] deeper.