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[00:00:00] to Dodik, because Dodik is not Republika Srpska,
[00:00:03] it even seems to me that in the BH entity Republika
[00:00:06] Srpska, it is one of the few places
[00:00:10] where citizens of Serbia with voting rights could
[00:00:13] vote uh in elections where Aleksandar
[00:00:16] Vučić actually won more votes than the student
[00:00:20] list, correct me if I'm wrong. Uh,
[00:00:23] yes, that's also, that's another good example of what they were doing,
[00:00:27] so, not only were they fighting us with, let's say, all our neighbors,
[00:00:30] but they literally almost brought about, as perhaps a collateral
[00:00:34] effect, but probably intentionally, to make the
[00:00:37] citizens of Serbia who live
[00:00:40] in Serbia fight with Serbs who live in Republika Srpska,
[00:00:44] almost at one point it was dangerous for some animosity to appear, because
[00:00:48] they were buying votes through their political connections,
[00:00:51] importing, even in the previous elections 23 of them
[00:00:55] literally brought people by bus to vote in
[00:00:58] local elections in Serbia. "which is terrible, but these are
[00:01:02] those daily political entanglements and manipulations that
[00:01:06] then practically deepen the crisis on all
[00:01:09] sides, it even led to Serbs from Republika
[00:01:12] Srpska and Serbs from Serbia, so that there is some
[00:01:15] conflict there on that relation, because someone
[00:01:18] decided it suited them to get more votes. Uh,
[00:01:22] Mr. Tošković, will we please, for the end, a short question,
[00:01:26] see you in the government or will you be in the National Assembly?".
[00:01:31] "I don't know and actually I honestly don't care,
[00:01:34] I this, we're just entering that process,
[00:01:38] we will vote,
[00:01:41] I think I can contribute to both sides,
[00:01:45] so depending on how we agree, I really have
[00:01:48] no preferences in that regard, so it's important that we enter
[00:01:52] the beginning of this process, I always say from the first to
[00:01:55] the 250th on that list from Ilija to
[00:01:58] Nenad, everyone would be..." great and both ministers and prime ministers
[00:02:02] and MPs, so it's important that things
[00:02:05] function, names are the least important here, of course they are important
[00:02:09] to maintain
[00:02:12] some kind of stability, to continue implementing
[00:02:14] the program, but they are really secondary, the essence is that
[00:02:18] the program of institutions functions, Mr.
[00:02:21] Tošković, thank you very much for your time for
[00:02:24] this interview for N1 Croatia, we will certainly
[00:02:27] be in touch, once again this would be... Oliver Tošković, one of
[00:02:31] the winning candidates from the student list
[00:02:46] Stay with us, in the continuation we bring:
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[00:03:07] Will the lithium processing plant in Gospić be left without
[00:03:11] a building permit? While waiting for the decision of the authorities, the investor
[00:03:15] who invested more than 10 million euros in the project, announces
[00:03:18] a lawsuit, and citizens warn about
[00:03:21] possible consequences for the environment. Gospić today Vjeko
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[00:07:20] next guest is Mr. Vjeko Bušić from the initiative
[00:07:24] Gospić Our Home, Mr. Bušić, good morning and welcome to
[00:07:36] Bušić, we now have a new story when Gospić is
[00:07:39] concerned, on the one hand, the remediation has
[00:07:43] started, I would certainly like to hear your
[00:07:46] opinion and statement on that, but on the other hand
[00:07:49] there is a story about a factory which is not new, let's be clear,
[00:07:53] but we have new uh some new
[00:07:57] moments in that story, it's about a lithium factory,
[00:08:00] that is, a lithium processing plant in Gospić,
[00:08:04] will it be left without a building
[00:08:06] permit,
[00:08:09] well, our position on that is actually very...
[00:08:12] clear on February 27th
[00:08:16] of this year when the ministry's opinion
[00:08:19] that such a project does not need
[00:08:22] an environmental impact assessment was overturned
[00:08:26] and when the investor was instructed, he was returned to
[00:08:30] the environmental impact assessment procedure, then finally on
[00:08:33] August 3rd when it was announced that he must prepare an environmental
[00:08:37] impact study, it is clear that according to the law on general
[00:08:40] administrative procedure... the building permit must be
[00:08:44] overturned given that a building permit
[00:08:47] cannot exist without a prior
[00:08:51] environmental impact study, I think the law is very clear there.
[00:08:54] Mr. Milinović actually clashed with you
[00:08:58] there, as far as I understand,
[00:09:02] uh, he even accused certain members of the initiative
[00:09:05] of some possible connections with other investors, i.e.
[00:09:09] other waste disposal sites.
[00:09:12] Well, I don't know how uh how
[00:09:15] citizens who are actually the whole
[00:09:18] problem of waste itself and the lithium
[00:09:21] factory itself raised with their activity, with their
[00:09:25] reasoned objections actually
[00:09:28] uh, so to speak, to be publicly available to the entire
[00:09:32] public with their argumentation for the lithium factory,
[00:09:36] we are seeking the annulment of the building permit, we even submitted
[00:09:39] 36 pages in the procedure... "in this environmental impact
[00:09:43] assessment, we presented our objections, wrote down all
[00:09:47] the inconsistencies and incorrect data that the investor used precisely
[00:09:50] in order to avoid that study, and as for
[00:09:53] the waste itself, meaning where we still forced
[00:09:57] the institutions in some way to work faster, although we are still
[00:10:01] not satisfied, I don't know how we could be as
[00:10:05] citizens or as members of this initiative
[00:10:08] the only main problem about that, well that's a bit unbelievable to
[00:10:12] me, but well we'll let people judge
[00:10:15] and there's another moment of these 10 million
[00:10:19] euros of investor Aleksandar
[00:10:21] Devčić, he says he invested that much.
[00:10:25] that if the permit is revoked, he will sue
[00:10:28] the city of Gospić, now that's another, another
[00:10:31] dimension, actually that uh well
[00:10:35] unfortunately we are listening to some threats from the investor, actually
[00:10:38] the investor all the time again
[00:10:41] the investor addresses the city, meaning
[00:10:45] a small local community, although it is actually very
[00:10:48] clear from the entire chronology of the case how great
[00:10:52] responsibility and fault actually lies precisely with...
[00:10:55] the investor, the investor submitted the first request
[00:10:58] to the ministry in 2023
[00:11:02] and correctly named his plant then, meaning that
[00:11:05] it would be a lithium processing plant. When he then received
[00:11:09] the ministry's opinion that his project should go for
[00:11:12] an environmental impact study, he abandoned it. He resubmits
[00:11:16] the request in March
[00:11:20] 2024, incorrectly classifying
[00:11:23] it as a plant... for smelting mineral substances,
[00:11:27] at the request of the ministry to correctly
[00:11:30] classify his project because it is a plant
[00:11:34] for smelting mineral substances, he withdraws his
[00:11:38] request and then submits a new request, his entire
[00:11:40] elaborate is uh full of uh this
[00:11:44] errors, he actually completely incorrectly states
[00:11:47] the chemical formula with which he presents his project, i.e. he stated
[00:11:50] only one formula, not two or three that will actually be used
[00:11:54] in this production process precisely to most likely
[00:11:57] hide the nature of his process,
[00:12:00] then what is most important in Croatia
[00:12:04] is the impact on water on karst soil, on groundwater, he
[00:12:07] actually copies from the elaborate from the
[00:12:11] highway junction, Zagreb, Sisak, Žažina junction,
[00:12:15] so the investor is the one, let's say, who uses
[00:12:19] one name for the ministry and then says that
[00:12:22] it is about processing. uh
[00:12:25] Lithium soda first, then lithium salts, so
[00:12:29] all these names are not professional names in the chemical
[00:12:32] industry, precisely in order to somehow conceal
[00:12:36] the true nature of his process, so as not to
[00:12:38] reveal that it is actually a classic chemical
[00:12:41] industry, precisely according to our positive
[00:12:44] regulations, which are actually copied regulations from the European Union
[00:12:48] for the chemical industry, an environmental
[00:12:51] impact study is always mandatory, that the
[00:12:55] investor was aware of this, we need to go back to February 29,
[00:12:58] 2024, when the investor's representatives presented
[00:13:02] this project at the city council, the investor explicitly
[00:13:05] clearly said: you don't have to be afraid of anything, for
[00:13:09] such a project, an environmental impact study is
[00:13:12] required, if the study does not pass,
[00:13:16] there will be no project, and that is the risk that the investor
[00:13:19] takes, so the investor here
[00:13:22] is threatening with some lawsuits, and in fact, he has been... all
[00:13:25] the time, so to speak, dancing on the edge of legality,
[00:13:29] i.e. it is clear how he concealed his true
[00:13:32] intentions precisely in order to avoid preparing
[00:13:35] an environmental impact study and I think that actually
[00:13:39] the city and the ministry and the entire
[00:13:42] public should very clearly communicate about
[00:13:45] the investor or his authorized representative who prepared that
[00:13:49] elaborate for him, obviously in agreement with the investor,
[00:13:52] so that uh questions... of responsibility must
[00:13:55] be returned to the investor's side, among other things,
[00:13:59] of course it is bad in all of this that the ministry, so not
[00:14:03] the city but the ministry, issued an opinion at one point
[00:14:07] that such a project cannot, does not have to go for an environmental
[00:14:10] impact study, i.e. that it is acceptable for the environment,
[00:14:14] but I say, there too, the question must be asked how
[00:14:17] much the investor
[00:14:21] contributed to this, just to conclude, Mr. Bušić.
[00:14:25] what else does this tell us,
[00:14:27] I mean, we know each other, we've known each other for a few months, how long have we
[00:14:31] been following the topic of Gospić, now in the same
[00:14:35] Gospić, again questionable
[00:14:38] projects, again falling into
[00:14:41] the sector of pollution, environmental pollution,
[00:14:45] what went wrong in Gospić, that these are
[00:14:48] stories that are now appearing that it seems we will
[00:14:51] discover and hear more about, please just...
[00:14:55] briefly, well I'll try to be brief, I think this is
[00:14:58] actually now uh
[00:15:01] the right time for all this that is happening, to
[00:15:04] actually ask
[00:15:08] the level of the entire country, that in regions like
[00:15:12] Lika which is rich in actually clean nature, where that is
[00:15:16] its greatest asset,
[00:15:18] karst and karst waters and sources of drinking
[00:15:22] water.
[00:15:29] Do we need such projects that will exceptionally
[00:15:33] mean harm the environment, well I hope this
[00:15:37] will be a warning that in all future projects laws will be strictly
[00:15:40] respected, that we will not allow
[00:15:43] such investors
[00:15:47] uh to somehow succeed
[00:15:51] in deceiving both our institutions
[00:15:54] and the public, that our
[00:15:57] institutions will take these jobs they do much more seriously in the future
[00:16:00] because we must carefully evaluate every such project,
[00:16:04] especially those that could be harmful to the environment, and
[00:16:08] make an exclusively legal
[00:16:10] decision, Mr. Bušić, thank you very much
[00:16:14] for this conversation and for clarifying this case,
[00:16:17] but also for contextualizing it
[00:16:21] when we talk about Gospić and waste, once again
[00:16:24] this was Mr. Vjeko Bušić from the initiative Gospić is our
[00:16:43] Before Split city councilors today are two thematic sessions,
[00:16:47] one on the operations of the cleaning company during the time of director Ivica
[00:16:51] Karoglan and the procurement of the controversial biostabilizer, which
[00:16:54] is the subject of an investigation, started at 9 o'clock, at
[00:16:58] the initiative of independent councilor Davor
[00:17:00] Matijević. The second topic starts at 1 PM
[00:17:04] and talks about Split's Fimi Media, which
[00:17:07] initiated the largest opposition party, Centar. They want to review
[00:17:11] the filming contracts concluded with the private company
[00:17:15] Vision Fasad. It is interesting that no documentation was provided
[00:17:18] for either session. As things stand now, only the
[00:17:22] arrival of representatives of the company Vision
[00:17:25] Fasad is expected. But even without guests, two more political
[00:17:28] bickerings are expected in which there will certainly be no shortage
[00:17:31] of drama.
[00:17:34] The Split mayor is ready for a duel. He expects
[00:17:38] a political showdown over the Fimi Media affair, at the center of which is
[00:17:41] Antonio Nikolić, a person for whom Telegram journalist
[00:17:45] Denis Mahmutović discovered that after Šuta came to power,
[00:17:49] he experienced a rapid business ascent and, through two companies
[00:17:52] with which he is connected, began to receive a huge number of jobs
[00:17:56] from the city and its institutions. These are
[00:17:59] manifestations such as the celebration of Saint Duje, youth sports games
[00:18:03] and similar. The method of money inflow was quite
[00:18:06] imaginative, but... But we had established that those traces
[00:18:10] definitely led to him and to the companies he is connected with,
[00:18:13] Mayor Šuta denies his involvement in Nikolić's
[00:18:17] maneuvers in business with the city of Split and says that everything
[00:18:21] was done according to law and procedure. Anyone who
[00:18:24] has violated the law, of course I am against
[00:18:27] that, but what can be
[00:18:30] stated is that there was no
[00:18:33] exceeding of any legal or
[00:18:36] procedural part. which mm appeared
[00:18:39] in the public space related
[00:18:43] to mm purchase orders that
[00:18:46] were there, so I have nothing more to say than
[00:18:49] that. Tomislav Šuta insists on that story, but the evidence we
[00:18:52] have published so far, including a list of
[00:18:55] numerous jobs they received, testimonies
[00:18:58] of numerous city employees who saw that young man,
[00:19:01] were in Banovina, where
[00:19:04] he regularly made pilgrimages to the city administration building, where he communicated with... city
[00:19:07] officials, prompted them with solutions, expected them to
[00:19:11] be fulfilled, absolutely deny the mayor's transparent
[00:19:14] attempts to protect his close associate. On Monday, a thematic
[00:19:18] session will be held on this topic, initiated by the Centar
[00:19:21] party. They publicly expressed suspicions of possible overpayment for services
[00:19:25] and non-transparent awarding of jobs and
[00:19:28] demand that contracts, invoices, purchase orders and other
[00:19:31] relevant documentation be delivered to the councilors.
[00:19:35] For the needs of Saint Duje, for promotion, when they engaged companies through the tourist
[00:19:38] board, Antonio Nikolić was again engaged, not only
[00:19:42] him, but also a company that served to inflate the price,
[00:19:45] i.e. to offer a higher price than Nikolić himself so that he would be chosen,
[00:19:49] worked with him and shared it on social networks. I think this case
[00:19:52] is so clear and simple that I really don't understand why there aren't already
[00:19:55] arrests, everything has been served to Mr. Turudić and I just call on him to do
[00:19:59] his job. So this thematic session should not be another
[00:20:02] political showdown, but an answer to the citizens of the city
[00:20:06] of Split, whether their money was really used
[00:20:09] contrary to the law and public interest. Vesela Šegvić
[00:20:13] Kordić, N1 Split.
[00:20:25] Let's go now to Zagreb, where Minister of Labor
[00:20:28] Alen Ružić announced changes to the Labor Law. Our reporter
[00:20:32] Viktorija Kristić is following this topic.
[00:20:35] Viktorija, what kind of
[00:20:37] changes are these when it comes to the Labor Law?
[00:20:40] pitanju.
[00:20:44] That's right, Hana, today at 12 o'clock an amendment to the law will be published,
[00:20:48] which then goes into public debate. My guest Mladen Novosel from
[00:20:51] the Independent Trade Union, from the Federation of Independent Trade Unions
[00:20:55] of Croatia, will tell us more about this topic. To
[00:20:58] start, could you just explain to us what the main
[00:21:01] changes actually are? Well, first of all, the amendments to the
[00:21:04] Labor Law go in three directions: harmonization with two
[00:21:08] European Union directives, namely on pay transparency, on
[00:21:12] better workers' rights when it comes to aggregators or platforms,
[00:21:16] and harmonization with one convention of the International Labor Organization.
[00:21:20] 32 on the right to annual leave, when
[00:21:23] will these changes actually be felt? Well, first of all,
[00:21:27] what if we were to talk about some of the easiest
[00:21:30] or simplest changes, then we'll start with this convention,
[00:21:34] so the worker until now had the right to transfer his annual leave
[00:21:38] to the next year, so until around June 31st,
[00:21:41] what the Labor Law will now
[00:21:44] enable him is that when it comes to some adoptive leave
[00:21:48] or when it comes to, I don't know... family leave, the worker will
[00:21:52] be able to transfer his annual leave until the end of the
[00:21:55] next year, or at the latest 15 months
[00:21:59] from the realization of the right for the current year, so we are now in
[00:22:03] 2026, if for some reason
[00:22:06] these I mentioned, the worker will not be able to exercise the right to
[00:22:09] annual leave, he will be able to use it until March
[00:22:13] 31st, 2028,
[00:22:16] so that is a slightly more favorable right than
[00:22:20] it was until now, when it comes to work platforms,
[00:22:23] i.e. aggregators, until now a worker who worked
[00:22:26] for an aggregator, i.e. for an intermediary, if his
[00:22:30] employer as an aggregator did not fulfill
[00:22:33] certain rights, as a rule platforms were not
[00:22:36] jointly and severally liable for his salary or some lost
[00:22:40] material right, or they had such a lenient regulation that they
[00:22:44] could very easily prove that they were not responsible, now that is
[00:22:47] still strengthened, but we know that a platform is... some
[00:22:50] imaginary employer, there is an aggregator where the worker
[00:22:54] is employed, if that worker, if that
[00:22:57] aggregator or intermediary does not fulfill some
[00:23:00] material right and so on, the worker will then be able to sue
[00:23:04] both the aggregator and jointly and severally the platform, so
[00:23:07] that is more favorable for the worker, now we come to
[00:23:10] the third directive on pay transparency, which has
[00:23:14] definitely aroused the most public interest,
[00:23:17] so now it's about... literally,
[00:23:20] an obligation of the employer to value
[00:23:24] every job, so regardless of whether they have
[00:23:28] 20 or more employees, as they used to have an obligation by work
[00:23:31] rules, or have less than 20 employees, so if they have more than
[00:23:35] 20, they can regulate the valuation of each job by rules of procedure or
[00:23:39] collective agreement, classically we can call it
[00:23:42] job systematization, if they don't, if they have
[00:23:45] less than 20, then they can by special regulation or
[00:23:49] individually... By employment contract, why is that
[00:23:52] important? Because if an employee, so we are talking about
[00:23:55] gender equality, if women, women and
[00:23:58] men work on almost similar
[00:24:01] jobs, they must be truly
[00:24:04] precisely valued, because theoretically it can happen that I as
[00:24:08] a man might have a slightly higher salary due to
[00:24:12] some criteria that are established there, it might seem
[00:24:15] that we do the same jobs, but then the employer must
[00:24:19] prove it. "You as a woman, if we work on the same jobs, you can,
[00:24:23] you can ask the employer, meaning that they
[00:24:26] first of all prove and show
[00:24:29] you the criteria based on which, to put it plastically, I have a fixed
[00:24:33] salary, and you will also have the right to ask for my average annual
[00:24:36] salary, so the average annual gross salary and other
[00:24:40] benefits, so that you can then compare it with your salary
[00:24:43] and your benefits, and if you consider, of course, that you are disadvantaged,
[00:24:47] you will have the right to sue the employer..." either
[00:24:50] through the works council or through the union, what
[00:24:54] is the allowed difference there? Some 5% is mentioned between
[00:24:57] men and women? Well, it's not 5% in some
[00:25:01] salary amount, but 5% deviation from certain
[00:25:04] criteria, so that's something that will of course be in practice,
[00:25:08] as we say, until judicial practice
[00:25:11] is established,
[00:25:14] or another, but the fact is that
[00:25:17] the employer must prove, so... to you, that
[00:25:20] they prove how big that difference is or why the difference is
[00:25:24] five or maybe 10% in salary difference, so the employer must
[00:25:27] prove why I have a 10% higher salary than
[00:25:31] you, we do almost
[00:25:34] identical jobs or you replace me when I'm not there, so if if
[00:25:37] you change me then, then you must be qualified for that
[00:25:41] kind of work just like me, it's now up to the employer then he
[00:25:45] proves, how will job advertisements actually look now, and that will
[00:25:49] change, one needs to have some specific information, can you tell us more about that?
[00:25:52] That's right, so now in job advertisements or at the very
[00:25:56] first job interview, the employer must explain
[00:25:59] the criteria for that position to the employee. So, if you
[00:26:03] are employed in a journalist position, the employer must
[00:26:06] give you the criteria based on which the salary
[00:26:09] for that position, skills, abilities,
[00:26:12] I don't know what else there is that the law
[00:26:16] has prescribed, among other things, so in any case you must
[00:26:19] get insight into it, you do not have to then and you will not
[00:26:23] be able to ask for some other salaries now, you will be able to ask
[00:26:26] for that when you get employed, then you will have the right to ask based
[00:26:29] on transparency what are the criteria for
[00:26:33] some other positions so that you can advance in
[00:26:37] that institution, work organization or whatever you call it.
[00:26:40] How do you feel, is this a good step towards actually gender
[00:26:43] equality? Well, I think it is, in any
[00:26:47] case, every transparency in itself
[00:26:50] is a step forward.
[00:26:54] Of course, the question then always arises how it will function
[00:26:58] in practice, how effective will
[00:27:01] the courts be. How much will I really be able to achieve that
[00:27:04] right, unfortunately it always comes down to this, if the
[00:27:08] worker is alone as an individual, it will be much
[00:27:12] harder to achieve that right than in some society where there is either
[00:27:15] a workers' council or a union, especially a union, that's the classic, as
[00:27:19] in every other right, it will always be easier to achieve that right
[00:27:23] through a union, but good heavens, it's up to the worker first and foremost
[00:27:27] to their good will, whether to be organized or to
[00:27:30] try to fight for their rights themselves. Thank you very much for this conversation, thank
[00:27:34] you, we heard the union's position, we bring all new
[00:27:37] information and we follow the actual announcement of the law at
[00:27:40] 12 o'clock,
[00:27:44] we certainly continue to follow the changes to the labor
[00:27:48] law, once again this was our Viktorija Kristić,
[00:28:00] and now let's listen.
[00:28:02] The Minister of Environmental Protection Marija Vučković who answers
[00:28:06] journalists'
[00:28:07] questions.
[00:28:10] their program that they
[00:28:13] listed? Well, today, let me just
[00:28:17] briefly refer, so we presented a new law on
[00:28:20] environmental protection, recently we also discussed
[00:28:24] in the Parliament a draft of amendments and
[00:28:27] supplements to the Waste Management Act. I will say that we are also working on a new
[00:28:31] Air Protection Act. Last year we also passed a law, I can
[00:28:34] briefly call it about climate, that
[00:28:38] a nature protection law is being drafted, so it is a comprehensive new
[00:28:41] legislative framework regarding our department,
[00:28:45] well, if we exclude water
[00:28:48] management, the environmental protection law is the umbrella
[00:28:52] regulation, because the environment is everything, everything is a component of the environment, both nature
[00:28:55] and soil and air, we have dedicated
[00:28:59] ourselves to this regulation seriously, the working group has...
[00:29:02] Civil society and
[00:29:05] those bodies that are uh that are
[00:29:09] whose whose
[00:29:12] participation is especially important in drafting the environmental protection
[00:29:15] law, both national and regional and local, as well as
[00:29:19] entrepreneurship, and it is necessary to assess the
[00:29:22] effects in everything, and I think we have
[00:29:25] uh that we are starting public consultations with a good
[00:29:29] draft, and it is probable that in this
[00:29:32] process that is ahead of us, there will be additional
[00:29:35] improvements. And now, when we talk about
[00:29:38] the Waste Management Act, we
[00:29:41] have foreseen certain improvements,
[00:29:44] enhancements that we have achieved through systematic reviews
[00:29:48] and work in the last year.
[00:29:51] Uh, SDP we can
[00:29:54] presented some program of theirs, I would never call it a
[00:29:57] program, because we don't have a program, I even tried to get to
[00:30:01] the pages, and "I apologize to my colleagues from other
[00:30:05] parties if I didn't study it well, but what
[00:30:08] I can say is
[00:30:11] uh, first I will refer to the
[00:30:14] theory that the entire infrastructure for waste management
[00:30:17] should be public, there is no successful waste
[00:30:21] management in any country in the world where
[00:30:24] there is no, of course, a clear framework, good control and
[00:30:28] supervision, but also the participation
[00:30:31] of the private sector, that's why it's called waste
[00:30:35] management, because there is no management without
[00:30:38] economy, otherwise, we and
[00:30:41] SDP promote such theses and theories, I have
[00:30:45] seen in other departments,
[00:30:48] that is, for example some socialist
[00:30:51] way of thinking which with which I do not think
[00:30:55] is efficient, not at all, the other thing is...