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Already [00:02:50] from the football club Hajduk and the city of Split, yesterday [00:02:53] they announced that everything starts at Poljud, at the club [00:02:57] with which Mišo Kovač was inextricably linked. [00:03:00] What exactly is his place in popular culture, not only [00:03:03] of Croatia, but in a kind of collective imaginary [00:03:07] of the people, or communities from these [00:03:10] areas, that will be the topic for discussion with our next guest, who is [00:03:14] Professor Tomislav Pletenac, ethnologist from the Faculty of Philosophy [00:03:17] in Zagreb. Good day and welcome. Good day. What is your [00:03:21] first association with Mišo Kovač, when one says Mišo Kovač, [00:03:24] the legend immediately comes to mind as the very first [00:03:27] this first association. But I always [00:03:30] remember Arsen's words about his talent and this [00:03:34] kind of this actually I have this [00:03:37] ambivalent relationship in the sense that [00:03:41] it is something that a person from my [00:03:45] perspective, of course from the perspective of people I hang out with, would call trash, [00:03:48] right? But there is one addition that is then [00:03:52] very, very debatable whether it is really something that we [00:03:56] could push into that category, although I must immediately emphasize that I don't think [00:03:59] there is anything wrong with that, right? On the contrary, with colleagues [00:04:03] and I am a member of the trash association in Varaždin and this, we have [00:04:07] a trash film festival, so I am dedicated to it in a way, but [00:04:11] here Mišo in one moment even deviates from maybe [00:04:14] such a label because it is difficult, it is difficult [00:04:18] to immediately place and classify him. On the other hand, he [00:04:22] gave additional meaning to controversy in these [00:04:26] areas. Definitely, when you say controversy, then when you think of [00:04:30] Mišo, he really expanded that [00:04:32] 3rd, election night on concept very much, yes, yes, yes, [00:04:35] I mean, his career lasted very, very [00:04:38] long, uh, as he, of course, got older and [00:04:42] as his strength failed him, his presence in the public [00:04:45] space was weaker and weaker, but [00:04:48] the legend, as we have already said, did not fade, on the contrary, it [00:04:52] only grew. That surprised me, because I, I remember as a [00:04:56] kid, this, when I eavesdropped on my [00:04:59] parents' singles, and I remember one single [00:05:03] by Mišo Kovač, I think the A-side was the song "I'll Take You to the Wedding," and [00:05:07] I think that was one of his probably first hits. That was [00:05:10] this, so he was for me a kind of festival [00:05:14] singer, right? However, then after the 90s, [00:05:17] when I started to socialize a little more with the Croatian [00:05:20] diaspora, especially from Australia, then I realized [00:05:24] that actually he was there gaining that legendary [00:05:28] status. For them, "Kiss the Ground You Walk On" was what [00:05:31] Poljud announced with the announcer and said goodbye, right? Which [00:05:35] is also interesting. Well, Dalmatia, all of that [00:05:38] aroused in them a deep nostalgia. Now looking at [00:05:42] your diary just a moment ago, the colleague journalist [00:05:45] says that Mišo was actually [00:05:49] very important for people who are not in Dalmatia. So he [00:05:53] constructed his legend outside [00:05:56] Dalmatia, which then returned with feedback [00:05:59] as the grassroots of his [00:06:02] popularity, but actually he gained it among [00:06:05] people who felt nostalgia for [00:06:09] the old country, who were either diaspora from outside, I said [00:06:13] outside Europe or nearby or nearby or here in Zagreb, right? And [00:06:16] his very position, that you are no longer [00:06:20] sure if he lives in Zagreb, in Šibenik, in Split. If someone had [00:06:24] asked me two weeks ago where Mišo was, [00:06:27] I question whether I would be sure if he was in Zagreb, Šibenik or Split and whether [00:06:31] I would know where he lives, right? So, [00:06:34] now there is this other special component related [00:06:38] to Dalmatian identity, first of all, that is Hajduk. [00:06:42] Yes. That connection with the club, the funeral [00:06:45] starts at Poljud. Uh, Poljud said goodbye to [00:06:48] Mišo. Several songs [00:06:52] are signed, and Torcida's. Ultimately, [00:06:56] we had relatively recently this collaboration between Saša Antić and Mišo [00:06:59] Kovač, "I can't help but love him," right, which [00:07:02] is a cover of his old love song, which of course Torcida [00:07:06] sings to Hajduk. Uh, how important [00:07:10] is that component for the story? Mišo Kovač [00:07:13] certainly, I think, and he is probably the only other [00:07:17] such person who can this raise Torcida [00:07:21] or where Torcida can identify through lyrics is Mladen [00:07:24] Grdović, probably, right? I don't know who else who would be a third one, right? So these [00:07:27] are, and it's interesting that there [00:07:30] are some connections and parallels and so on, but that [00:07:34] love for, so that description that can sometimes be really [00:07:38] nostalgic in the sense of pathetic, like what the boys [00:07:42] did, for example, that song "Dalmatia," and now stone, olive, [00:07:46] this and that, so it's full of those common places, right? [00:07:49] However, it's easy for fans to identify with [00:07:53] those common places. It's not, let's say, the only [00:07:57] example in the history of fan football, but [00:08:00] on the contrary, if Liverpool have "You'll Never Walk [00:08:03] Alone," which is actually one of the biggest hits, which was also a [00:08:07] hit of the 60s that was played before the start [00:08:10] of the match, so people sang it, that's how it [00:08:13] slowly became Liverpool's song, right? I don't [00:08:16] see why this [00:08:19] "I can't help but love you" wouldn't be Torcida's song from [00:08:22] today onwards or "Dalmatia in My Eye," or [00:08:26] some other song, like they sang "I am a Dalmatian" by [00:08:29] Grdović, right, which is also one such [00:08:33] song that can, for example, if we look at other environments, we don't have to [00:08:36] immediately say Zagreb, but not Osijek or Rijeka or so on, right? You [00:08:40] don't have a really specific [00:08:43] song that would unite the whole, the whole [00:08:46] region, right? When you have [00:08:49] in Zagreb, if you have something [00:08:52] dedicated to Dinamo, dedicated to the club, dedicated to perhaps Zagreb, right, [00:08:56] but not the whole region. The whole northwestern [00:08:59] Croatia, right, will not [00:09:03] have such a moment, a song that would unite it, yes. [00:09:06] Uh, so a man from Šibenik [00:09:09] unites, unites Split and Dalmatia. [00:09:12] From, I don't know, and the islands and so on, to Dubrovnik, right? So [00:09:16] you don't have that anywhere else except [00:09:19] through Mišo in Split, but I say it always seems to me that [00:09:23] in the background is that story of the view from the outside, [00:09:26] right, that view from the outside, Mišo's view towards [00:09:30] Dalmatia, right, not from the inside, so [00:09:33] the construction of that constant suffering for one's own space, that [00:09:37] space actually, as with any such nostalgic discourse, [00:09:40] paints that space in these [00:09:44] romantic colors, melancholic and [00:09:47] ideal colors, so as if it covers up all the [00:09:50] mess, all the horror and so on, you then get a ready-made, [00:09:54] completed story, right, which exists [00:09:57] of course in other regions as well, but despite, for example, the [00:10:00] Krapina festival, for example, the Kajkavian area's [00:10:03] attempts to portray it that way, it hasn't produced many such [00:10:07] songs as Dalmatia, for example, you have "A Tear for the Zagorje Hills" [00:10:10] and we'll find two or three more. Here we are actually [00:10:13] very, very close to the end, right? The [00:10:16] Split festival has produced a [00:10:20] large number of people who have [00:10:24] already, I say again, it doesn't matter that it's superficial and [00:10:27] so on, but who have portrayed that Dalmatia, that view [00:10:31] from the outside, that idea that you can identify [00:10:33] with that image that comes [00:10:36] from the outside is, I think, crucial here, right? That's where the victory lies with [00:10:40] Grdović. It seems to me that it's a completely different situation. He looked at it from the inside, he [00:10:44] is from the inside a man, a man, even [00:10:47] though for Mišo they will say he is a man of the people, but not because [00:10:51] he lives with them, but because he affects them where [00:10:55] he fulfills their wishes in a way, how they want to [00:10:58] see themselves, right? [00:11:01] pjevačica ovih prostora uh toliko [00:11:05] lako, mislim ne mislim pritom na ružan način lako nego [00:11:08] uspješno uh sveden na simbol, a kad [00:11:12] kažem simbol mislim naočale, mislim na brkove, mislim na zlatni [00:11:15] lančić, mislim raširene ruke, mi to točno svi znamo što [00:11:19] simbolizira Mišo Kovać, njegovu siluetu kad se vidi, to je to mislim, mislim [00:11:22] da nije niko uspio to, a zašto? što je to Miša uspio u čemu je [00:11:26] tajna njegove ikoničnosti, je l'? To [00:11:29] je nevjerojatna, nevjerojatna snaga da unatoč [00:11:33] tome što ga kako Arsen kaže, nije dotaknuo baš talent, je [00:11:36] l', ima neke iskrenosti u tom njegovom [00:11:39] iznošenju pjesme, dakle on malo pjesamako uopće koju napisao, je l' [00:11:43] nothing. Everything was done for him by others, right? [00:11:47] So when when [00:11:49] he manages to bring that to a level where [00:11:53] people simply understand him. To see him as one [00:11:56] who is not exactly different, but not too much so that they see him. So he [00:12:00] hit that level with his way [00:12:03] of singing, with his relationship with the audience, and HRT [00:12:06] broadcast this, what's it called, entire concert at Poljud, right? So I [00:12:10] watched a bit how he communicates with the audience. He communicates with the audience as if [00:12:14] he is at a pub with them, right? So that's the [00:12:18] moment where it catches on, [00:12:21] in that sense, his songs. Actually, he performs in a way [00:12:25] that is appealing, so like, "we sang in the tavern," [00:12:29] that's it, that's an absolute success. [00:12:32] On the other hand, when you look at that music, [00:12:35] for example, "Ostala uvijek ista" (Always Remained the Same), [00:12:39] right, which my dear friend Jurica Hižak translated [00:12:42] to French under Čubakin's grandmother's [00:12:46] name and adapted it, [00:12:48] and it's a chanson that could have worked [00:12:52] in France in the 70s and 80s without any problems [00:12:56] that Aznavour could sing without any [00:12:59] problems, absolutely, even Edith Piaf could perhaps sing it, right? So [00:13:03] it's incredible how, first of all, it's a fascinatingly good text when you [00:13:07] hear it in French, fascinatingly good music that [00:13:11] we here kind of [00:13:13] looked at with a smirk, as if "who cares about Mišo" or "who listens to that?" [00:13:17] No, but when you get such a [00:13:20] different perspective of Mišo Kovač, then you [00:13:23] realize that actually behind him [00:13:27] stands a great compositional machine, among [00:13:30] others Runjić, I don't know others, right, Britvić, I guess, and [00:13:34] so on, right, who created extremely good [00:13:38] music, which he knew how to simplify [00:13:41] and make it seem as if the lyrics, as if it [00:13:45] happened to him yesterday, so now he recounts what happened to him, right? [00:13:48] We all then experience it, live it together with him, and he [00:13:51] actually transformed that stage situation [00:13:55] partly into the stage of his own life, right? That's why [00:13:58] I say he broadened the idea of controversy much further than we [00:14:02] ever expected in the Croatian language, right? [00:14:05] In a way, I mean, it might sound exaggerated, but [00:14:08] did his own tragic fate [00:14:11] and his own tragic story contribute to his legend, his [00:14:15] success, and the way the audience perceived him? Even more so, if we were to, say, [00:14:18] if we had to reduce the complete oeuvre [00:14:22] of Mišo Kovač to one emotion, that [00:14:25] emotion would probably be melancholy, [00:14:28] yes, yes, yes, partly melancholy, partly nostalgia, [00:14:32] partly, I don't know what to call it. Of course, he shared [00:14:35] the loss of his son with the audience on multiple levels, [00:14:39] not just through music. Of course, he also set to music [00:14:43] and actually sang that song that was [00:14:46] dedicated to his son. He openly [00:14:49] talked about it, right? In various [00:14:52] ways, he addressed the audience. [00:14:55] He poured his private, private emotions [00:14:58] out at that moment. Uh, but [00:15:01] he's not the only one, right, in popular music to whom [00:15:05] that happened, right? A little before his loss, we had [00:15:08] this loss of Eric Clapton, from which then [00:15:12] comes his "Tears in Heaven" ballad, "Tears in [00:15:15] Heaven," but at the same time, uh, Clapton [00:15:18] doesn't communicate with the audience at all. He is a completely withdrawn, almost [00:15:21] introverted bluesman, right? So that was it. He was very [00:15:25] or, for example, this loss [00:15:29] of a son that accidentally, so not [00:15:32] intentionally, turned into "Guest" which is a [00:15:35] brilliant, musically brilliant album, right? Which, but [00:15:39] again, it was not communicated in that way. So [00:15:42] this is, this is in a way [00:15:46] Mišo's secret, right? So Mišo actually hides [00:15:49] nothing. He hides, of course, all of us, especially [00:15:52] people who are involved in popular music, people who are involved in [00:15:56] theater, acting and so on, right, always have more of those [00:15:59] positions, right? However, he tried, so in that [00:16:03] moment, to [00:16:06] present his private life as if on stage, right? That's [00:16:11] what made him an icon. Can we already [00:16:14] try to predict or have some [00:16:17] assumption about how Mišo Kovač's oeuvre [00:16:21] will look in the long run? Is this now a permanently established [00:16:24] mythical place in national pop culture, in this [00:16:28] collective imaginary we mentioned, to which someone will always [00:16:31] return, or will there perhaps be someone who [00:16:35] could try to enter that place or at least somehow [00:16:39] complement it? That's a bit harder. It is unlikely that someone [00:16:42] like, in the 90s, when we had performers who tried to, so [00:16:46] fill the empty spaces that arose with the breakup of Yugoslavia, [00:16:50] right? That certainly won't happen. What could [00:16:53] happen, what I think will certainly happen, is that he will remain [00:16:57] on the playlists of most [00:17:00] parties. So at some point, [00:17:04] the time comes for Mišo, right, at some party, some [00:17:08] gathering, and so on, whether someone will play him, whether a DJ will play him or so [00:17:12] on, right? So he already has his place there for sure. Will [00:17:16] there be new reinterpretations of his songs? It could [00:17:19] happen, right? When we look at what Jurica Hižak [00:17:23] did, it seems to me that there is material there that could [00:17:26] actually portray his [00:17:29] musical and lyrical oeuvre in a different interesting [00:17:32] way, right? So based on that, I see that, but that someone will be [00:17:36] Mišo. That will certainly [00:17:39] not happen again in that way, right? In that way, [00:17:43] of course, his songs will [00:17:46] remain very likely [00:17:50] to remain much more in circulation in the [00:17:53] public space than, for example, Arsen's songs or [00:17:57] even Oliver's, although Oliver has many too. I even think [00:18:00] that he is at that one moment [00:18:03] different from Oliver precisely in that variation. [00:18:07] That no party will pass without Mišo, right? Yes. And can we try to [00:18:11] guess or predict [00:18:14] uh, if, if, so we take Oliver who is no longer with us, and [00:18:18] Mišo who is no longer with us, and some other people who [00:18:21] created the popular musical backdrop [00:18:24] of Dalmatia, the identity of Dalmatia in a way. [00:18:28] If, if they are no longer here, if there is no more of that pathos, if there are no [00:18:32] more of those common places, can we try [00:18:35] to assume in what further direction that identity, [00:18:38] the development of that identity, could turn? Well, this is [00:18:42] very interesting, I say, the Boys, TBF, so the whole hip-hop [00:18:46] rap scene that developed in the 90s [00:18:49] in Split produced very interesting and almost [00:18:53] I would say some TBF songs have also become [00:18:56] cult. So that idea of a duet [00:19:00] between Mišo Antić and Saša and Mišo, right? So [00:19:04] that's something that one would expect. So these are [00:19:07] they cover both different audiences and two [00:19:10] different ways of painting [00:19:14] Dalmatia, right? So where TBF was [00:19:17] more direct, clearer, but again, [00:19:20] how should I say, again, it gave an opportunity to [00:19:24] see ourselves as Dalmatians, right? But, but from [00:19:28] a different, from a different angle. So, perhaps that story [00:19:31] will end with Grdović. That story, "stone [00:19:34] olive," will probably end. [00:19:44] Instead, some perhaps more contemporary themes will emerge. I mean, this happened in France, too, for that matter, so it's nothing impossible or [00:19:47] strange, right? But it is actually [00:19:50] a very inspiring place for such, for, so, for [00:19:54] the production of music and lyrics, that's definitely certain, right? It's [00:19:57] incredible, even, I think it's a bit strange, right, [00:20:01] that we have in a relatively small country, right, we have a whole [00:20:05] landscape that identifies itself through a certain [00:20:08] image and is ready to change that image, give it a different tone [00:20:12] and so on, so I think the image persists, yes, the image persists, [00:20:16] there will always be some [00:20:19] Saša, there will always be some TBF, there will always be some [00:20:23] boys, there will always be some Vojko V or someone who [00:20:27] will paint that image in a new way. Just to conclude, [00:20:29] I don't want it to go unnoticed because I think it's important [00:20:32] to mention that on the same day [00:20:35] another Mišo passed away, [00:20:38] that is not only, of course, Mišo Kovač, but also Mišo who [00:20:42] also significantly defined [00:20:45] New Wave and of course [00:20:48] another identity that survives to this [00:20:52] day, of course, much less visible, much less present. [00:20:55] He himself actually kept himself less visible. [00:20:59] We are of course talking about Mišo Hrenjak from Prvi, that is, the first [00:21:02] true, the first true bassist, and Azra, who [00:21:05] otherwise, I don't know, you could have come across [00:21:09] other people who collaborated [00:21:12] with Štulić, who would talk about Štulić, were with him. He kept [00:21:15] himself very much on the sidelines of all [00:21:19] that. But he was actually one of the key people [00:21:23] who created the sound. Azra is actually one of the key [00:21:27] people of that first breakthrough, because Azra itself [00:21:31] makes that breakthrough of a social critique that [00:21:34] we didn't have before in that way, perhaps punk yes, but [00:21:37] actually he was the first popular one who gave a social, social [00:21:41] critique which then continued to [00:21:44] make New Wave actually known, right? Which then continued not [00:21:48] only through the 80s but also successfully survived [00:21:51] despite everything and passed through the 90s and [00:21:55] settled somewhere today and perhaps even infected [00:21:58] this hip-hop scene down in Dalmatia, infected [00:22:01] perhaps the entire hip-hop scene and today it seems to me even [00:22:05] the trap scene, but in a completely different [00:22:08] way, right? So why did he remain so on the sidelines [00:22:12] and so behind? I don't know, he was probably by nature [00:22:15] he didn't really like the limelight, [00:22:19] but that he decided that he was a decisive part [00:22:22] of creating the sound of Azra, that's definitely true. [00:22:25] And that rhythm section is difficult, it's difficult to [00:22:29] replicate, right? They had, but again, it's about Lajner who is [00:22:32] also in Vještice, so perhaps only Vještice with [00:22:36] Saher had that rhythm section that Azra had [00:22:40] with Mišo and Lajner. [00:22:43] Yes, we will of course follow and broadcast tomorrow [00:22:46] Mišo Kovač's farewell. That will also be interesting. From [00:22:50] an ethnological perspective, absolutely, from every perspective. I, this, I can't [00:22:54] wait, Professor Pletenac, thank you very much for being our guest. Thank [00:22:57] you. 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We are under [00:24:07] the influence of a cyclone that is [00:24:09] swirling over the Mediterranean Sea, south [00:24:13] of Italy. This cyclone, with its cloud [00:24:16] system, brings unstable weather to [00:24:20] us. The warm air of the cyclone mixes [00:24:23] with the cold air that penetrates [00:24:26] from the Siberian plains, so [00:24:30] we have cloudy weather with rain, [00:24:33] locally with occurrences of sleet [00:24:37] and snow. [00:24:40] Tomorrow we expect cloudy weather with [00:24:44] Bora, which will be strong to stormy, [00:24:47] and locally in the Podvelebit coast, there will be [00:24:50] gusts. Inland, it will be cloudy. On the Adriatic, there will be [00:24:53] some sunny periods. [00:24:56] With cloudy weather inland, there will still be a few [00:25:00] drops of rain, and a few snowflakes in [00:25:03] the mountainous regions. Morning [00:25:06] temperatures. air temperature [00:25:09] inland around 7°, on the [00:25:12] Adriatic from 10 in the northern part of the Adriatic [00:25:16] to 14° in the south on... [00:25:20] Islands, the highest daily temperatures will not change much [00:25:23] in relation to morning [00:25:27] temperatures. In the interior, somewhere up to [00:25:30] 10°, on the Adriatic, the highest daily [00:25:33] temperatures from 13 to [00:25:37] 19° in the far [00:25:39] south, with bora. The further [00:25:43] development of the weather situation will be influenced [00:25:46] by the movement of a large amount of cold air, which [00:25:50] will flow east of our regions, [00:25:53] and with us, the weather will gradually stabilize, [00:25:56] starting from Wednesday onwards. We will again come [00:26:00] under a shallow top. The current [00:26:04] one is currently located from Spain and [00:26:07] extends over Great Britain, it will move [00:26:11] and come over our regions, the air [00:26:14] temperature for the first three days [00:26:17] of this week will be mostly with small [00:26:20] amplitudes, so that the maximum [00:26:23] daily maximums will be around 11, minimum [00:26:26] temperatures around 7-8°, [00:26:30] after that from Wednesday onwards. Then [00:26:33] a change in weather with clearer nights, so [00:26:37] the air temperature will drop significantly and we can [00:26:40] have frost in places from Thursday and [00:26:44] Friday onwards. On the Adriatic throughout [00:26:47] next week, bora, air [00:26:51] temperatures will be initially until [00:26:55] Thursday, Wednesday, Thursday stable, with [00:26:58] small daily amplitudes, between [00:27:02] 15 and 11 degrees, and from [00:27:05] Thursday onwards, with more sun, air temperatures [00:27:08] will again have large amplitudes, daily will be somewhere [00:27:12] around 16 to 18°, [00:27:15] nightly will drop to 10 degrees [00:27:18] Celsius, but bora throughout this [00:27:21] period, in short, this [00:27:25] week we expect until Wednesday cloudy with rain [00:27:28] and cold weather, and from [00:27:30] Thursday stabilization. And more about the weather [00:27:34] you can follow on our info channels, [00:27:59] in a country where offers are complicated, Telemah decided. 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