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[00:01:10] Good morning, once again you are watching New Day, it's time to review
[00:01:13] the press, our guest is the president of NUNS, Željko Bodrožić. Željko, good
[00:01:17] morning, thank you for being here. Nova writes today
[00:01:20] about the new IRI survey.
[00:01:24] So there are several questions, there are several findings that are
[00:01:28] important, let's start with that. Uh, that
[00:01:31] 68% of respondents would very likely vote,
[00:01:34] 15% probably, 49% say that
[00:01:38] Serbia is going in the wrong direction, 41% say it's going in the right
[00:01:41] direction, this roughly matches last year's results
[00:01:45] of the same survey, 46% of citizens
[00:01:48] would vote for the student list, 40
[00:01:51] say they wouldn't, 42 support student
[00:01:55] protests, 41 do not support them. What do these results
[00:01:59] indicate to you? "What is visible to the naked eye, that
[00:02:02] Serbia is deeply divided, that it is
[00:02:06] the result of this government which has done everything to divide
[00:02:09] this society in that way, to
[00:02:11] infuriate both sides, so
[00:02:15] it is something that is expected, although I think
[00:02:18] that the percentages of dissatisfaction on this side will be higher and higher
[00:02:22] of that, so
[00:02:26] the base of votes for that student list, it will be, I believe,
[00:02:29] even..." even greater as soon as these elections
[00:02:32] are called, as soon as it means, do you see a scenario in which these results can be
[00:02:36] translated into an election result? Well, I think that they will be this, now
[00:02:40] someone will say that I am an excessive optimist, but I think that the difference
[00:02:44] will be even greater between that
[00:02:46] so-called student list or some kind of
[00:02:50] united opposition bloc
[00:02:53] against the side
[00:02:55] of, as it is, United Serbia of Aleksandar Vučić, and
[00:02:59] I think that... this ratio will be, I believe, like in
[00:03:02] Hungary when the elections were decided and when Orbán
[00:03:06] finally fell. And how do you assess
[00:03:09] the efforts of the authorities to improve their results and the kind of
[00:03:13] campaign they are conducting even though elections have not been called, for example, with these
[00:03:17] festivities under tents, and various measures for pensioners
[00:03:20] and other citizens, short-term
[00:03:24] and so on? How much do you think these mechanisms
[00:03:27] can somehow overturn these numbers?
[00:03:30] It's difficult to overturn them. What is undeniable
[00:03:33] is that the government, or rather Aleksandar Vučić, has managed
[00:03:37] to, to some extent, consolidate its ranks,
[00:03:41] meaning to stop this
[00:03:44] erosion. It doesn't have that counter-effect
[00:03:47] now to regain those things. That's what I think is a problem for the
[00:03:51] government, that with these actions of theirs,
[00:03:55] with tents and folk festivities,
[00:03:58] it's trying to... ...to
[00:04:01] unite its voters, to cheer them up,
[00:04:04] which is the most important thing, because many, even after
[00:04:08] the canopy and the first protests, saw
[00:04:11] that things were going in a different direction than
[00:04:14] what Vučić and his regime would have wanted
[00:04:17] and slowly distanced themselves from
[00:04:20] their leader, and that soft electorate of the progressives
[00:04:24] which came at some point when they came to
[00:04:27] power, is now, in my opinion, scattered and
[00:04:31] this is now squeezing a dry fruit to somehow
[00:04:35] maintain that, so to
[00:04:38] speak, winning spirit on their side and
[00:04:42] to try to enter those elections, whenever they may
[00:04:45] be, if they even happen, I don't know, but to enter, to some extent,
[00:04:48] ready with the hope that they can somehow
[00:04:51] remain in power. So that's one aspect. The other aspect is that
[00:04:55] they expect from the other side
[00:04:58] stratification. that this united
[00:05:02] block of the opposition in the
[00:05:05] broadest sense of the word, uh, will fragment.
[00:05:09] Now, there's a question related to that, uh, that... So,
[00:05:12] 41% are those, those who support the protests,
[00:05:16] 41% of them believe that only students should
[00:05:20] run, 29% students and
[00:05:22] opposition on separate lists, and 22% believe
[00:05:26] that a joint list of students and the opposition should run. Are
[00:05:30] these numbers, in your opinion, a relevant
[00:05:32] indicator? Do they show what the election result
[00:05:36] would be in all three of these scenarios, although we can say that
[00:05:39] this last one is the least likely because there won't be joint lists, by all
[00:05:43] accounts. Well, what psychologically pulls
[00:05:46] the most is that one list, whatever it's
[00:05:50] called, a united front, that referendum
[00:05:53] atmosphere, it will certainly bring many people
[00:05:56] who are apathetic,
[00:05:58] undecided, to the polls, and that's the winning
[00:06:02] combination. Everything that I really try
[00:06:06] in my appearances to defend
[00:06:08] this opposition that has been fighting for so
[00:06:12] long in impossible conditions, there are many mistakes,
[00:06:15] but somehow they are
[00:06:19] unfairly purged in a way, but this is a
[00:06:22] wave that carries everything before it, and now you have to be
[00:06:26] rational and smart and give way at
[00:06:29] this moment to that student
[00:06:32] movement, so to speak, which is obviously, according to all
[00:06:36] surveys, and you don't have to go out
[00:06:39] and look for surveys if you see in your
[00:06:42] environment that the situation is changing, that there were always
[00:06:46] some when it was time for elections, for some
[00:06:48] changes, they would say, I have no one to
[00:06:52] vote for, I have no, I don't trust,
[00:06:55] the opposition politicians and so on and so forth, that has
[00:06:59] changed now, because youth has brought some
[00:07:01] new quality that people feel
[00:07:05] and I think
[00:07:08] that should be rationally used at this moment,
[00:07:11] everything that creates noise, uh, benefits
[00:07:15] the regime, meaning two lists, three lists, already
[00:07:19] by itself, but it seems at least now at this moment that it's somehow
[00:07:22] going in that direction, because uh, the pro-EU
[00:07:26] opposition has said that it will run in its own coalition.
[00:07:29] Yesterday, Aleksandar Jovanović Ćuta said in our program that they are running in
[00:07:33] the elections, most likely it is going in that direction to be in a coalition with
[00:07:37] Miroslav Aleksić, Parandilović, Dr. Milić from Niš,
[00:07:40] then there is that right-wing bloc.
[00:07:43] for which we still don't know in what form and how it will come out, but it will probably
[00:07:47] come out. That's the situation. Do you have
[00:07:50] an understanding for such decisions and their
[00:07:53] logic? Well, I do. I understand that someone who
[00:07:57] has invested themselves in
[00:08:00] founding a party for so many years under
[00:08:03] these impossible conditions of existing on the political
[00:08:06] scene cannot simply withdraw, but again, I cite
[00:08:10] the example of Hungary. So, as the elections approached, as
[00:08:14] it became evident that Péter Magyar had that
[00:08:17] necessary majority, that they were
[00:08:20] like that, in that period before the elections,
[00:08:23] they slowly started to withdraw, these relevant
[00:08:26] opposition Hungarian parties, starting with the
[00:08:30] mayor of Budapest who won as the candidate of that
[00:08:34] green-left front of theirs. So I believe, as it approaches,
[00:08:38] that's what an analogy can be drawn
[00:08:41] with... with the year 2000, when, as
[00:08:45] those September elections approached,
[00:08:48] that broad movement was constituted, and
[00:08:52] then those young people who were then part of
[00:08:55] Otpor managed to unite
[00:08:58] everyone, and those who were making
[00:09:00] noise tried to, meaning the SPO
[00:09:04] tried, a party with
[00:09:07] a long tradition, with a large number of votes, it failed
[00:09:11] in that referendum atmosphere regardless of... the fact that
[00:09:14] I don't know, a couple of years before that it had 500,000
[00:09:18] votes. So one needs to be now, I'm not
[00:09:21] in the shoes of these leading opposition members, but one needs to
[00:09:25] be wise, rational, see what
[00:09:28] brings more and what
[00:09:31] takes away. I think it is important for all of us who live in
[00:09:35] these impossible conditions for all these years, the goal is to achieve
[00:09:38] victory, that some things are crucial.
[00:09:42] Well, for this society, for us to change, to
[00:09:45] make some progress, will come
[00:09:49] after that, and that stratification into right,
[00:09:52] left and so on, I think that at this
[00:09:55] moment it is important to have
[00:09:59] your own views, to discuss them, that we don't agree on that,
[00:10:02] but at this moment the battle for
[00:10:06] change, not only of the regime, but also of this
[00:10:10] life that has been imposed on us in the last decade
[00:10:14] or so, is a priority.
[00:10:17] There is one finding in the survey that concerns the media that is
[00:10:19] interesting. Uh, television as a source
[00:10:22] of information fell from 47%, which was
[00:10:25] last year, to 36% this
[00:10:28] year. It seems to me that in 2020 it even went over
[00:10:31] 60% of television as the most frequent source
[00:10:35] of information. Social networks increased from
[00:10:38] 16% last year to
[00:10:41] 25% this year. So social networks are growing as
[00:10:44] a primary source of information, television is falling.
[00:10:47] This is not a small drop. What do you attribute that
[00:10:50] to? Well, to the fact that citizens have lost confidence
[00:10:54] in traditional media. They had it for
[00:10:57] what most media broadcast and how
[00:11:01] they uh manipulate
[00:11:04] with their viewers, listeners,
[00:11:08] readers, and especially when I talk about television, most uh televisions are
[00:11:11] captured, and it started with the corona
[00:11:14] virus, that people started to turn more and
[00:11:18] more to other sources of information.
[00:11:21] With these protests, I think it's
[00:11:24] explicit. Yes, so you think it has to do with political events, yes,
[00:11:28] yes, it has to do with it, now you see in these places, in my
[00:11:32] Kikinda, you have a cable system in which
[00:11:35] SBB has N1 and Nova, but all those who
[00:11:38] live in villages, ever since total was abolished, they are
[00:11:42] uh, limited to what the government
[00:11:46] broadcasts to them, and so over time they realized that they can
[00:11:49] watch my guest appearance on YouTube
[00:11:53] tomorrow. So, it's something that has
[00:11:57] forced older people who were not familiar with new technology
[00:12:00] to look for a new source of
[00:12:03] information. Now those who are correct
[00:12:06] and professional are suffering, and it is being imposed that all televisions are manipulating
[00:12:10] something, so I want to ask you, is that good or are these numbers
[00:12:14] good or bad? Everything is bad when confidence
[00:12:17] in an important profession,
[00:12:21] journalism, is lost, when we are at the bottom.
[00:12:24] It's like, in terms of
[00:12:27] people's trust, I don't feel
[00:12:30] guilty about that, but it is a fact that it is so, it is
[00:12:34] bad because it is necessary
[00:12:37] that first we, as journalists, be defenders
[00:12:40] of the public interest, second, that the people who are consumers trust us,
[00:12:44] and there is a lot of talk about local media lately, about
[00:12:47] the rapid establishment
[00:12:51] of various local media. Nuns just published
[00:12:54] today's text which says that local Informer
[00:12:57] rumors are worse than Informer itself. How many of them are there
[00:13:00] currently and what is their influence considering these numbers, but also
[00:13:04] considering the election campaign? Well, there are
[00:13:07] quite a few. We are now looking, there are
[00:13:10] many who are working illegally, there is no
[00:13:13] REM Council, there is no one to legalize them
[00:13:17] as new media, but they are working, and even the President
[00:13:20] of the state is a guest, even though he is also the guardian of the constitution and
[00:13:24] laws. "But that's what's bad
[00:13:27] in this terminal phase of this
[00:13:30] regime, yet another bad thing,
[00:13:34] that this uh nastiness, this hate speech that
[00:13:36] is quite explicit, is being brought down to the local
[00:13:40] level. You had many, most of the media locally
[00:13:43] are under the direct control of the regime, but
[00:13:46] some are still trying to somehow stay within
[00:13:50] certain conventions, to respect the code as
[00:13:54] much as possible, they cheer, uh, how should
[00:13:58] I say, they make Vučić an idol
[00:14:01] and so on, but there wasn't such a negative campaign, now they have
[00:14:05] turned that around and poured evil all over those small places, there
[00:14:09] they are now reading grades, uh, of kids who are
[00:14:12] in protest
[00:14:15] against this regime, meaning no means are chosen, that will leave
[00:14:19] far-reaching consequences, because bad blood
[00:14:22] has now entered every pore. "And now on
[00:14:26] those locals we see those small informers
[00:14:29] who pollute the public space who do not choose
[00:14:33] methods or words to disgust
[00:14:36] the opponents of the regime, I say it is dangerous and we simply, that is a huge
[00:14:40] task that will be before both the media community and before
[00:14:44] this new REM council, right, because they were talking precisely about
[00:14:47] the issue of local media as an important issue that awaits them, the president has not yet
[00:14:51] been elected, so provided that one is elected.
[00:14:55] How much can, how important a role can that council play
[00:14:58] precisely on the issue of all those local media? Well, it should
[00:15:02] play an important role, the law
[00:15:06] allows them to regulate
[00:15:08] this space of
[00:15:12] electronic media, however, we already see in two
[00:15:15] meetings that the REM Council has not succeeded, as
[00:15:19] we assumed, these four members who are
[00:15:23] so to speak under the control of the ruling
[00:15:27] SNS regime, do not want to truly
[00:15:30] enter into a discussion, to try to do
[00:15:33] something, but it is obvious to them that they just care about
[00:15:37] creating the illusion that something is functioning
[00:15:41] in our society to get some points for Serbia's
[00:15:45] European path, but
[00:15:48] essentially, this REM council with this
[00:15:51] composition, these four independent members
[00:15:55] truly, without these others, cannot do
[00:15:58] anything. So they can now be instruments in the hands of these
[00:16:02] if they somehow succumb to pressure for that constitution
[00:16:06] to be carried out. Finally, for the president and
[00:16:09] vice-president to be elected, but they themselves are
[00:16:12] aware, I believe, that after that their role
[00:16:16] is no longer important, because that ninth member is awaited, who will probably
[00:16:19] also be under the administration of the progressives,
[00:16:23] so elections will be held sooner or later
[00:16:27] in the near future, so I don't believe that even if they are constituted,
[00:16:31] they can make any qualitative changes in
[00:16:33] the field of electronic media. And finally, the site.
[00:16:38] yesterday published the news that based on
[00:16:40] 153 completed calls for co-financing of media
[00:16:44] content for this year, funds totaling
[00:16:47] 1.84 billion
[00:16:50] dinars were distributed. How was the money allocated in short? As
[00:16:54] before, so for the last
[00:16:55] 10 years
[00:16:59] that system of co-financing media projects
[00:17:02] has been abused. That's a legal
[00:17:06] drainage of public
[00:17:09] funds. So, in competitions,
[00:17:13] money is allocated for compliant media that are under
[00:17:16] control. We in Kikinda gave up 11
[00:17:19] years ago, generally, to put in the effort to
[00:17:23] write projects, to submit anything at the
[00:17:26] municipal level, because we already saw that they do not
[00:17:30] want to, in that sense, approve
[00:17:33] our project, but that the distribution simply happens
[00:17:37] and it's well-known in Kikinda and other places, the SNS coordinator
[00:17:40] comes, brings a list to the commission, the commission itself is already
[00:17:43] composed of people who are
[00:17:47] uh, sent by the regime just to fulfill that
[00:17:50] formality, that there is some commission, that there is some law.
[00:17:54] That's just money laundering, taking money, so
[00:17:57] Informer, Srpski Telegraf, they take from local
[00:18:00] self-governments everywhere a small amount, but with the system of small
[00:18:04] numbers, they reach billions, and only from
[00:18:07] those local funds can the owner,
[00:18:10] editor, and of Informer, Srpski
[00:18:13] Telegraf, Kurir, pay their inevitable
[00:18:16] fines, as they break the law and code every day. Thank you
[00:18:20] very much, Željko, for this conversation. This was the president of NUNS, Željko
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[00:25:31] In the Ibar gorge, along the stretch from Maglič to Ušće, fires broke
[00:25:35] out in several locations. Fires are burning in forests and low
[00:25:39] vegetation above the highway on the slopes and along the railway on
[00:25:43] the right bank of the Ibar. Extinguishing is extremely difficult due to the inaccessible
[00:25:46] terrain. Our Nenad Božović is there. Nenad, what is the situation this
[00:25:50] morning?
[00:25:54] Well, this morning the situation has not changed much compared to
[00:25:57] yesterday. Perhaps some
[00:26:00] fires in the meantime
[00:26:02] have been extinguished or localized, but it is still burning
[00:26:06] above Ušće and about 20 km
[00:26:09] upstream, downstream, pardon, towards
[00:26:12] Kraljevo, and mostly these are coniferous
[00:26:16] forests, which, for example, yesterday during the day was not the case, first it was
[00:26:19] low vegetation next to the railway and
[00:26:22] along the right bank of the Ibar, then
[00:26:26] during the evening it spread to coniferous forests, we are in one
[00:26:30] such forest above
[00:26:32] firefighters Varošica in... so now we will try with the camera to show you here
[00:26:35] it is being defended so that it does not spread
[00:26:38] further, because we saw, we saw with backpacks carrying
[00:26:42] water so that they could make that
[00:26:46] ring so that it does not spread, but I think you can
[00:26:49] see on our camera
[00:26:51] that the fire continues to burn and
[00:26:54] if the wind starts to blow, the situation can change
[00:26:58] very quickly and become very dangerous then it means
[00:27:02] that... "it would spread to parts
[00:27:05] where there was no fire, about what the
[00:27:09] situation is in the Ibar valley, what was burning, we are talking to Goran Nikolić
[00:27:13] ecological activist and mountaineer, you are from Ušće, you know
[00:27:17] this area very well, you were in the field all day yesterday, how does this situation seem to you, well yes, yesterday
[00:27:20] when they told me that the Ibar valley was burning, I got in
[00:27:24] and went down about 12 13 km down the Ibar, everywhere I saw
[00:27:27] about ten fires on the other side of the Ibar." above
[00:27:31] the railway, so mostly they were in residential
[00:27:34] areas, although there were some places where there were
[00:27:37] houses, I personally participated in extinguishing,
[00:27:41] preventing a village of Cijerija from burning, where
[00:27:45] a lot of young people organized, relatives of those people came
[00:27:48] who have houses there, and we put out the fire, so when you go out
[00:27:52] to a hill, you could see the whole valley down to Magliš,
[00:27:56] 30-40 km, everything was smoke and everything was in fires, meaning that the smoke
[00:27:59] reached until this... morning even to Kraljevo which is 50 km from here, which
[00:28:03] means that the wind probably caused problems during the night,
[00:28:06] well, fortunately there was no wind yesterday, so the fire was burning, but
[00:28:10] last night a colder air started flowing, so it is
[00:28:13] probably that the wind and I see that people from Kraljevo are complaining
[00:28:17] on social networks about the smoke being there, now can you explain
[00:28:20] this situation to us, this is only a few kilometers from
[00:28:24] Ušće, this flame we see
[00:28:27] behind you, how quickly can it spread in such
[00:28:31] conditions, you see here is the most beautiful part of this
[00:28:34] forest is here, you see that it is all young forest, this
[00:28:38] that burned down there yesterday, those are low vegetation,
[00:28:42] rocky, but here you see dense grass, dense forest, these
[00:28:45] were once afforested by young people, meaning it is all
[00:28:49] young forest and here it can very easily ignite
[00:28:53] and go up, the whole Žaračka mountain can burn
[00:28:56] down, so here I appeal to the fire services to localize
[00:29:00] this as soon as possible if they can. so that
[00:29:03] an even bigger ecological problem is not created than it is now, so we remember
[00:29:06] some previous fires in the Ibar
[00:29:09] valley, when coniferous forests burned, that lasted
[00:29:13] for days, well yes, it is very difficult to put out a coniferous
[00:29:16] forest, because the fire goes
[00:29:19] into stumps, it goes into those cracks and when
[00:29:23] you think you have put it out, it later starts again, as soon as the wind blows or it
[00:29:27] calms down a bit, it immediately starts in another place, then there is the problem of these
[00:29:30] pine cones, they fly down. they glide, burning
[00:29:33] cones fall, creating new fires and new, new
[00:29:37] hotbeds and so it is very difficult
[00:29:40] to put out a pine forest, and just one more thing for the end, you said that
[00:29:44] you helped put out a fire in a
[00:29:47] household, how many houses are there on this right side of the Ibar
[00:29:51] and are they perhaps threatened at this
[00:29:54] moment, well you see, mostly
[00:29:58] the villages have now grouped in some nicer
[00:30:00] locations and... Old houses remained, some houses burned down yesterday, old stables that
[00:30:04] were abandoned, no one lived in them, and
[00:30:08] it's not a question
[00:30:11] of whether the houses are threatened, well, currently they are not threatened
[00:30:15] because people organized and defended their households, their properties,
[00:30:19] their orchards individually, this is now a wider
[00:30:22] area and here it means a larger mass of people who should
[00:30:26] put this out, thank you for taking the time to speak to n1 this morning, thank
[00:30:29] you, here you heard - What
[00:30:32] Goran Nikolić, ecological activist, says and what he thinks
[00:30:36] about this fire that appeared,
[00:30:39] there is still no information about how the fire
[00:30:43] started, although yesterday information appeared
[00:30:47] that one of the causes, although no one has confirmed
[00:30:50] it yet, could have been a train that somewhere
[00:30:54] at 3:30 went towards
[00:30:57] Ušće from Kraljevo and how some people.