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[00:02:04] Good afternoon, I'm Dušan Mlađenović. You're watching the special N1
[00:02:07] direct broadcast regarding the visit of Ukrainian President Volodymyr
[00:02:11] Zelensky. This is his first visit to Serbia. At this
[00:02:14] moment, meetings of delegations are underway. Previously,
[00:02:18] a ceremonial reception was organized in front of the Palace of Serbia.
[00:02:21] Last night, Volodymyr Zelensky stated on his X account that the main topics would be economic
[00:02:25] relations, relations with the European Union, and all other
[00:02:28] issues that could improve relations between the two countries, including
[00:02:32] security. Although the delivery of weapons is never
[00:02:35] officially discussed, there are indications that military cooperation
[00:02:39] will be discussed. Zelensky and Vučić had a bilateral meeting last night.
[00:02:42] In the next two hours, we will analyze this
[00:02:46] visit, the military and political relations between the two countries,
[00:02:49] and potential reactions from Brussels and Moscow. We will also
[00:02:53] follow the addresses of the two presidents from the Palace of Serbia.
[00:02:56] That's where we're going at the beginning of the show, where...
[00:03:00] colleague Aleksandra
[00:03:01] Godfroa.
[00:03:04] Aleksandra, how did the ceremonial reception go, and what
[00:03:08] is expected from the meeting of delegations, the meeting of the two
[00:03:12] presidents? We know what some of the announced
[00:03:16] topics are, but what could be the topics that haven't been
[00:03:19] announced?
[00:03:23] Dušan, so the meeting took place
[00:03:26] with understandably heightened security measures, including
[00:03:30] the presence of helicopters, as we saw in the footage.
[00:03:33] The President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, arrived and was
[00:03:37] received by the President of Serbia, Aleksandar Vučić.
[00:03:40] The Ukrainian anthem was played, followed by the Serbian anthem.
[00:03:43] Then, an inspection of the honor guard was carried out. There was
[00:03:47] no honorary salute this time. As for flags
[00:03:51] around the city, yes, there were Ukrainian flags, but
[00:03:55] far more modest, perhaps more discreet than was the
[00:03:58] case during visits by delegations from
[00:04:01] some other countries. The composition of the delegation suggests
[00:04:05] that the main topic of discussion will actually be
[00:04:08] economic cooperation, specifically joint cooperation in
[00:04:12] European integration, which is the proclaimed goal of both
[00:04:15] countries, both Serbia and Ukraine. It will also be discussed
[00:04:19] about food security, and the only
[00:04:22] memorandum announced to be signed concerns precisely
[00:04:25] food security. Such a visit,
[00:04:29] for the first time since he became president, for the first time since
[00:04:32] the large-scale war began in Ukraine, for the Ukrainian
[00:04:36] president to come to Serbia, of course, signing such a
[00:04:39] memorandum is not
[00:04:42] too big of a task or reason for the
[00:04:46] Ukrainian president, a wartime president, to come to
[00:04:49] our country, but there must still be something that will be
[00:04:53] signed. I mentioned the composition of the delegations, so there is the
[00:04:56] Minister of Energy, the Minister of Trade. No, there is the Minister of
[00:04:59] Agriculture from our side. From the Ukrainian side, there are no ministers, but
[00:05:03] there are members of the cabinet of Ukrainian President Volodymyr
[00:05:06] Zelensky. There is experienced diplomat Serhiy
[00:05:10] Kyslytsia, who knows these regions very well.
[00:05:13] Then there is Oleksiy Sobolev, who was Minister of
[00:05:17] Economy and is now in the President's cabinet, recently, after these
[00:05:20] latest changes in
[00:05:22] the Ukrainian, Ukrainian government, and there is Ihor
[00:05:26] Zhovkva, also a cabinet member who is in charge
[00:05:29] of European integration.
[00:05:32] So, yes, there is interest from the Ukrainian
[00:05:36] side for greater economic cooperation, which
[00:05:39] is currently somewhere on our side, on Serbia's
[00:05:42] side, I think it's about 345
[00:05:46] million dollars in the first half of 2006.
[00:05:49] We know that Ukrainians want to sign a free trade
[00:05:53] agreement with Serbia, which has not existed all these
[00:05:57] years since Ukraine became an independent state
[00:06:00] in '91. And of course, that is the question of all
[00:06:03] questions, a question that has never been officially confirmed,
[00:06:07] that is the question of armaments. We know
[00:06:10] from indirect sources, from reporting by, for example, the Financial Times
[00:06:13] in 2024, that by then, armaments worth
[00:06:17] between 800 million and
[00:06:21] one billion dollars had ended up on the Ukrainian
[00:06:23] battlefield from Serbia. So, this is about multi-barrel launchers,
[00:06:27] it's actually about Soviet-caliber
[00:06:30] weapons that Ukraine used a lot of
[00:06:33] at the very beginning of the war. Now, some Ukrainian
[00:06:37] analysts, military analysts, say that there is not such a great
[00:06:40] need for that type of armament, given that the
[00:06:44] method of warfare has changed, shifting to drone warfare,
[00:06:47] and Ukraine at this moment is the absolute leader in
[00:06:51] Europe in the production
[00:06:53] of various types of drones and innovations
[00:06:57] in that sphere, and that is what was mentioned in
[00:07:01] a comprehensive article by journalist Michael
[00:07:04] Martens from the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, who again referred to
[00:07:07] Christopher Hill, otherwise a former ambassador here in Serbia, who was the first
[00:07:11] to officially confirm that Serbia has indeed, through third parties,
[00:07:14] of course, massively exported armaments to
[00:07:17] Ukraine. So, that article suggests that there could be
[00:07:21] talk about
[00:07:24] joint drone production or some kind of agreement
[00:07:27] in that sense, where, for example, Serbia could gain
[00:07:31] know-how, and we know from some previous visits of Zelensky to other countries in
[00:07:35] Europe, but also in the Middle East, that Ukraine can actually
[00:07:38] sell its technology and
[00:07:41] is interested... ultimately, above all in Europe, to
[00:07:45] form a common defense. How Serbia
[00:07:48] fits into this is a big question. The official composition
[00:07:52] of the delegation does not indicate that this
[00:07:55] would be the primary topic, because, for example, there is no
[00:07:59] Pavlo Pavlyshyn here, who is a brigadier general who participated
[00:08:02] in the battle for Bakhmut. His presence, for
[00:08:05] example, would indicate that the primary topic is common
[00:08:09] defense. But that doesn't mean that topic isn't being discussed. That doesn't mean that
[00:08:13] that topic, for example, wasn't discussed yesterday during the gala dinner
[00:08:17] at Villa Mir, which the Serbian president hosted
[00:08:21] in honor of the Ukrainian president.
[00:08:24] As you mentioned, the composition of the delegations indicates
[00:08:28] that the announced topics will be discussed.
[00:08:31] Uh, I assume then that the two presidents
[00:08:35] discussed that. How common is it, in fact, to
[00:08:39] discuss these, shall we say, most important
[00:08:42] and most sensitive issues at the highest level, in this case,
[00:08:46] uh, for the two presidents to discuss them,
[00:08:50] especially knowing that
[00:08:53] Volodymyr Zelensky often has meetings with European
[00:08:57] leaders with whom he precisely discusses these most sensitive
[00:09:00] matters?
[00:09:04] It is usual, we live in unusual times, so yes, it is usual,
[00:09:08] of course, in such situations there must be contacts
[00:09:11] before, after, and during between
[00:09:15] experts, between delegations, but yes,
[00:09:18] so what we have seen for at least the last
[00:09:21] year is that there is an accelerated
[00:09:24] need in Europe as a continent, meaning European
[00:09:27] countries, to form a defense, to arm themselves, to
[00:09:31] raise the level of arms production, a lot of that has already
[00:09:34] been used up on the battlefield in Ukraine, and also the change in
[00:09:38] Washington, that is, the election
[00:09:41] of Donald Trump as President of the United States has largely
[00:09:44] left Europe to fend for itself,
[00:09:48] and Ukraine must also, to some extent, fend for itself
[00:09:52] together with Europe. So yes, it would be customary
[00:09:55] for two presidents to discuss and agree on
[00:09:59] such a level of cooperation, extremely sensitive
[00:10:02] cooperation. It would also be customary, given the
[00:10:05] position that Serbia holds, that
[00:10:09] this should not actually be publicly discussed. So,
[00:10:13] from the very beginning, Serbia condemned the Russian aggression against
[00:10:16] Ukraine, it says so openly, publicly, President Aleksandar
[00:10:20] Vučić says it every time that it respects the territorial
[00:10:23] integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine. So that
[00:10:27] means it does not recognize Crimea, it does not recognize the four regions that
[00:10:30] Russia additionally annexed in
[00:10:33] 2022, but at the same time, it does not want to impose sanctions.
[00:10:36] So there is a proclaimed military neutrality in such a situation.
[00:10:40] Unless politics changes
[00:10:43] on topics of military cooperation in terms of drone production, for
[00:10:47] example, or direct arms sales,
[00:10:50] it is therefore not officially expected that
[00:10:54] any of the participants in such talks would publicly
[00:10:57] state it. After all, when that was happening at the very beginning of the war,
[00:11:01] and when images and photographs of missiles produced in
[00:11:05] Krušik with dates, i.e., serial numbers,
[00:11:08] indicating that they were newly produced, meaning not some old stock,
[00:11:11] were arriving, it was denied, until at one point
[00:11:15] President Aleksandar Vučić said
[00:11:19] that we don't know where it ends up, we regularly
[00:11:22] sold it, for example, to the Czech Republic and the United
[00:11:26] States, which do not use that caliber in their army at all, and where
[00:11:30] it eventually ended up, that is actually not
[00:11:33] our concern. Aleksandra, thank you very much.
[00:11:37] Aleksandra continues to follow Volodymyr Zelensky's
[00:11:40] visit, and we'll see her a bit later. Now
[00:11:43] we're going to our Anđela Čolanić,
[00:11:47] who is in front of the Palace of Serbia. Anđela, unlike some
[00:11:50] other visits when the flags of countries, as Aleksandar
[00:11:54] said, from where the guests came, were displayed all the
[00:11:58] way from the airport to the city center, this time that is not the case, but for
[00:12:02] example, a flag was displayed on
[00:12:05] the Kula Beograd, the flag of Ukraine. So, what does the city
[00:12:08] look like, and what do people in Belgrade say about Zelensky's
[00:12:11] visit?
[00:12:15] Uh, that's right, now it's uh calm in front of the Palace of Serbia
[00:12:19] where we are currently located. A little over half
[00:12:22] an hour ago, the Ukrainian president was
[00:12:25] welcomed in front of the Palace
[00:12:28] of Serbia with the anthem of Ukraine, and then
[00:12:32] the anthem Bože Pravde, or
[00:12:34] the anthem of Serbia. After the
[00:12:38] Ukrainian and Serbian presidents entered the Palace of Serbia where they will
[00:12:42] continue the rest of the program and
[00:12:44] discussions, the choir, or rather the orchestra
[00:12:48] of the Serbian Army, the guard, and the rest of
[00:12:51] the members of the Serbian Army withdrew from the palace plateau.
[00:12:55] Police officers remained to patrol in
[00:12:59] the surrounding streets near the Palace of Serbia where
[00:13:02] security measures are still heightened, where they are still heightened.
[00:13:06] At the very moment when the Ukrainian president was arriving, it was not
[00:13:10] possible to walk even on the sidewalk
[00:13:12] near the Palace of Serbia.
[00:13:15] In the surrounding streets, police officers directed citizens
[00:13:19] to other streets. Traffic was also suspended for
[00:13:23] about half an hour.
[00:13:25] And it is now flowing undisturbed in all directions and in the surrounding
[00:13:29] streets around the Palace of Serbia.
[00:13:32] Given the complex relations between Ukraine,
[00:13:36] Serbia, and Russia, we spoke with citizens yesterday,
[00:13:39] and we asked them what they expect from the arrival of
[00:13:43] the Ukrainian president, how they view him, and
[00:13:46] I suggest we listen to what they told us. How do you
[00:13:50] view this visit? Well, negatively.
[00:13:52] Why? Well, because of everything that's
[00:13:55] happening. In what context is the visit negative for you?
[00:13:58] Because I think we have better friends. Who are our better
[00:14:02] friends? Well, you know who. He is a
[00:14:05] persona non grata for Belgrade. Well, he came, he came, I don't see
[00:14:09] any problem. And why this visit at this
[00:14:12] moment? He goes everywhere, from what I watch on
[00:14:16] TV, he goes everywhere he can, to get any
[00:14:20] help. And should Serbia now send humanitarian
[00:14:23] aid to Ukraine? What? Well, I'll tell you, all countries that are
[00:14:27] attacked, this, that are defending themselves from an aggressor,
[00:14:30] should be on their side in principle, this, what form of
[00:14:34] aid that is, each country should determine. What will this bring to our
[00:14:37] politics? Well, it depends, it depends on how much weaponry
[00:14:40] we sell.
[00:14:44] So, the citizens we spoke with generally
[00:14:47] believe that Serbia should remain neutral
[00:14:50] in the Ukraine-Russia relationship.
[00:14:54] And... and 100 public figures, including
[00:14:57] professors and cultural workers, yesterday
[00:15:00] signed a letter of protest, or rather a statement
[00:15:03] of protest, opposing the arrival
[00:15:07] of the Ukrainian president for the first time
[00:15:11] since the beginning of the war in Russia and
[00:15:14] Ukraine to visit Serbia. Uh,
[00:15:17] on the other hand, Ukrainians and Russians united
[00:15:21] against the war for Radio Free
[00:15:25] Europe yesterday commented
[00:15:27] that they hope this visit will actually lead to an
[00:15:31] improvement in relations between Ukraine and Serbia, which
[00:15:35] Aleksandra also mentioned. It is that
[00:15:38] today, the Ukrainian and Serbian presidents will
[00:15:40] discuss three topics, three key
[00:15:44] topics. On the topic of security, among other things,
[00:15:46] President Vučić mentioned that energy will be discussed.
[00:15:50] They will discuss Euro-integration, given
[00:15:53] that both states have similar
[00:15:56] problems on the path to joining
[00:15:59] the European Union. What is also important to
[00:16:03] mention is that this is the first visit of the Ukrainian
[00:16:06] president. In many ways, as you mentioned at the beginning, we can
[00:16:10] conclude that he is visiting Serbia. Our
[00:16:14] team this morning passed through the city. We
[00:16:17] noticed only here,
[00:16:20] immediately near the Palace of Serbia, and in the streets
[00:16:24] of Anti-Fascist Struggle and Spanish Fighters, that Ukrainian
[00:16:27] flags were displayed, while they
[00:16:30] can hardly be seen anywhere else in the city.
[00:16:33] Last night, the Ukrainian flag was displayed on the Tower.
[00:16:37] You mentioned that, and there are also Russian symbols around the city. We
[00:16:41] managed to notice that yesterday. With that, there is still
[00:16:44] Gazprom's billboard that says "Together," and it
[00:16:48] refers to Serbia and
[00:16:50] Russia. The negotiations, or rather the discussions,
[00:16:54] between the Ukrainian and Serbian presidents will last until around
[00:16:57] 12 o'clock. At 12:05,
[00:17:00] they are expected to address the
[00:17:03] media together. In front of the palace, it is currently calm. What is important for all citizens
[00:17:07] who are heading to Novi Belgrade is that traffic is currently
[00:17:10] flowing smoothly.
[00:17:13] Thank you, Anđela. Anđela Čolanić is monitoring the situation
[00:17:16] in front of the Palace of Serbia. Yes, as Anđela said, the first
[00:17:20] image that Volodymyr Zelensky saw upon entering
[00:17:24] Belgrade was that Gazprom billboard on which
[00:17:27] the Russian and Serbian flags are combined,
[00:17:31] on which it says "Together." So, a meeting
[00:17:34] of delegations is underway in the Palace
[00:17:37] of Serbia. It is expected that at 12:00, the two
[00:17:41] presidents will address the media. We will follow all of that, and
[00:17:45] now we return after a short break.
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[00:24:49] You are watching N1 direct, which is dedicated to the visit
[00:24:52] of Volodymyr Zelensky to Serbia. We continue
[00:24:56] the analysis of this visit. I am now talking to Oleksandr
[00:25:00] Levchenko, who is the former consul of Ukraine in Belgrade, as well as
[00:25:04] the former ambassador of Ukraine in Bosnia and Herzegovina and Croatia.
[00:25:07] Mr. Levchenko, thank you for speaking to N1.
[00:25:10] Thank you for the invitation. Respect
[00:25:14] to you and the viewers. How do you view this visit,
[00:25:18] the topics that have been announced? We assume, and we have
[00:25:21] talked about this in previous minutes, that there will be
[00:25:24] some unannounced topics, primarily military cooperation.
[00:25:28] How do you assess this
[00:25:31] visit? Very well. After
[00:25:35] nine years, our president has not been to Serbia. It is time
[00:25:38] for Zelensky to come to
[00:25:42] Belgrade. President Vučić was already
[00:25:46] twice in Ukraine last year in Odesa.
[00:26:02] of Eastern Europe, so now
[00:26:05] this is a very important visit
[00:26:08] to the Republic of Serbia, and I believe that all
[00:26:12] topics that the presidents will discuss
[00:26:14] are of mutual interest for the two
[00:26:18] nations that have their
[00:26:21] long history of connecting
[00:26:25] cultural ties, economic cooperation,
[00:26:28] and human contacts.
[00:26:34] those meetings, especially this year in Ukraine.
[00:26:38] However, Aleksandar Vučić is the only European leader
[00:26:42] who has not
[00:26:45] those declarations, especially the one in Kyiv, meaning he has not
[00:26:49] joined the condemnations of
[00:26:52] Russia. However, Zelensky comes
[00:26:55] to such a leader. What kind of
[00:26:58] message does Zelensky send
[00:27:02] then? And why does he then come to
[00:27:04] Belgrade if it is known what kind
[00:27:08] of relationship Belgrade has with Moscow?
[00:27:11] Well, Belgrade has its relations with Moscow,
[00:27:14] and Belgrade has its relations with Ukraine. That should not
[00:27:18] be mixed. It is important that these relations are in
[00:27:22] the interest of our two countries. We have
[00:27:26] things to discuss regarding our European path,
[00:27:29] meaning Ukraine and Serbia are moving
[00:27:33] towards joining the European Union. That is important, and
[00:27:36] we have somewhat similar
[00:27:38] views on negotiations with our European
[00:27:41] partners and how difficult it is to open chapters,
[00:27:45] and even more difficult to close negotiating chapters.
[00:27:49] we always have communication,
[00:27:53] cooperation, we are slowly moving
[00:27:56] towards signing a free trade zone agreement, that's already more.
[00:28:00] It's been years of negotiations,
[00:28:04] but that would be a big step
[00:28:08] in our economic ties and
[00:28:12] finally it's clear that the world is entering
[00:28:16] difficult times, unfortunately
[00:28:19] work has become a fact
[00:28:22] for European life and look at these topics
[00:28:25] that will be not only visible
[00:28:29] but also important for discussion because of the politics
[00:28:32] conducted by official Moscow, it is unfortunately
[00:28:36] aggressive, made not only against
[00:28:38] Ukraine, but also Ukraine and Europe feel
[00:28:42] the danger of future Russian
[00:28:45] aggression and in any case some things
[00:28:48] need to be agreed upon, discussed
[00:28:51] and resolved at the level of heads of state, that would be
[00:28:54] good, a study
[00:28:57] uh uh of the topics we heard that will be uh uh
[00:29:00] officially here and what is unofficially mentioned
[00:29:04] is that military cooperation, German media
[00:29:07] say that Ukraine would perhaps even
[00:29:11] like to open a drone factory with Serbia,
[00:29:14] we also heard these allegations from Frankfurter
[00:29:18] Allgemeine Zeitung uh that Kristoffer Hill, former
[00:29:21] Ambassador of the United States to Serbia was
[00:29:24] a mediator in relations between Kyiv uh and
[00:29:27] Belgrade, how do you see that
[00:29:30] possibility, namely military. For now there is of course no
[00:29:34] confirmation of direct trade, but Belgrade
[00:29:38] admitted that it is possible for weapons to end up in Ukraine via third countries,
[00:29:41] well, we'll see, we'll see
[00:29:45] what we can do and how directly or
[00:29:49] indirectly, in any case you mentioned drones,
[00:29:53] I don't know if this will be a topic, but Americans
[00:29:56] are building a factory for the production of Ukrainian drones, so
[00:30:00] imagine if that's in Serbia's interest.
[00:30:02] "If Americans want that, I think it would be
[00:30:06] good, in any case and
[00:30:09] Gulf countries, they have already
[00:30:12] bought huge quantities of Ukrainian drones
[00:30:16] which help them to repel these
[00:30:19] attacks by Iranian drones, in any case
[00:30:22] European countries, many European countries are looking for
[00:30:26] Ukrainian drones which are very effective, which
[00:30:29] have somewhat reversed this..." this short
[00:30:33] and in any case they
[00:30:36] help us to fight now
[00:30:40] 90% of Russian losses are from drones, meaning
[00:30:44] Ukrainian drones, and Russia has already lost one million and
[00:30:48] 500 thousand soldiers, one million
[00:30:50] 5 thousand soldiers,
[00:30:53] 12,250 tanks,
[00:30:57] 25,100.