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[00:00:00] absolutely, we never
[00:00:02] gave up when it comes to Ukraine, we were never rivals on that
[00:00:06] issue, but truly sincere partners and
[00:00:08] friends, and everything that President
[00:00:12] Zelensky said, he said it exactly right and
[00:00:15] thank him for using it as an opportunity
[00:00:19] and we will continue to cooperate, I believe
[00:00:23] that there are many areas
[00:00:27] in which our cooperation can be doubled
[00:00:30] and tripled, otherwise, if you look at the trade
[00:00:34] exchange in 2025 and 2026 compared to what we
[00:00:37] had in 2020-21, so
[00:00:40] even before the war and after that, so
[00:00:43] 2022-23, that's a huge difference
[00:00:47] and I believe that in that regard, our trade
[00:00:51] exchange and exchange in the service sector can still
[00:00:54] grow. Dear Mihao, let me just add
[00:00:57] one more detail, so we will
[00:01:00] open a drone factory here, but with Israelis,
[00:01:04] we do it with Israelis, Ukrainians are very successful and
[00:01:08] have many of their own drone factories as far
[00:01:11] as that goes, so we will invite you here to the opening, I think it will be around
[00:01:14] September 15th or 20th, thank you very much, thank you Mr. President, thank you
[00:01:18] President Zelensky, dear colleagues, thank you, this concludes today's address,
[00:01:22] thank
[00:01:23] you,
[00:01:29] we saw that..." So, the address of the two presidents
[00:01:32] after the conversation, we will of course continue
[00:01:35] the analysis, first of all what Vučić and
[00:01:38] Zelensky said, we are returning to Berlin where Nikola
[00:01:41] Xavier from the German Council on Foreign Relations is waiting for us,
[00:01:45] thank you very much for still being here, for waiting
[00:01:48] for the end of this press conference, uh, President
[00:01:52] Vučić uh gave, let's say, a classic
[00:01:56] presentation, he said that he supports the charter, that
[00:02:00] Serbia supports the charter of the United Nations regarding the territorial
[00:02:03] integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine, support for EU
[00:02:07] integrations, while President Zelensky started
[00:02:11] his presentation from the situation that happened
[00:02:14] last night, which is a new attack
[00:02:16] you rightly noticed that he actually avoided answering by Russia, he also expressed condolences
[00:02:19] to the victims, while President Vučić did
[00:02:22] not even mention it, he did mention that today they did not discuss
[00:02:26] military cooperation, so we heard a lot in the past
[00:02:30] 45 minutes, 45 minutes,
[00:02:33] what is your view of everything you
[00:02:36] heard? Thank you for the question, the atmosphere is
[00:02:40] positive, but as I said at the beginning, the first
[00:02:43] item, if you take this transcript of this conversation and
[00:02:47] send it to the Kremlin, I don't think you can
[00:02:50] read it, that is,
[00:02:53] Schwarzkopf Gliss. My hair affects there will be no negative sentiments towards this in the Kremlin, of course they
[00:02:57] are not happy, but that's where
[00:03:00] diplomatic differences are always packaged
[00:03:04] with which one can live, I think
[00:03:07] that this visit also through this,
[00:03:11] through this press conference clearly
[00:03:13] shows that there was a formal part, an
[00:03:17] informal part and everything that, everything
[00:03:20] that is essentially delicate was left, that is,
[00:03:24] it was the subject of conversation during last night's
[00:03:27] extensive dinner, and everything that... is essentially
[00:03:31] symbolic and about which two states that are in
[00:03:34] normal relations can
[00:03:38] overcome, preempt the public, what I would like to
[00:03:41] mention here is essentially, if you
[00:03:44] listen carefully to President Zelensky's
[00:03:48] answer, it is that he essentially in some way
[00:03:53] that? adopted that vocabulary or the desire of the Serbian
[00:03:57] side to explain in the European Union
[00:04:00] that the process of European integration
[00:04:04] should not continue without one country, that is, he
[00:04:08] really said that Serbia should not be lost in that
[00:04:11] process, that is really a nice, nice
[00:04:15] gesture towards President Vučić, now how he argued
[00:04:18] it and why Zelensky
[00:04:21] voluntarily says it, remains to be seen, because if we make
[00:04:25] an analysis, it is not very clear how Serbia can
[00:04:29] get lost there. because in the conversation
[00:04:32] before this press conference we concluded that essentially
[00:04:35] there are not many options in this big
[00:04:38] multipolar world, however, where Serbia can
[00:04:42] and can flow. A very interesting question
[00:04:45] from a journalist from Franta Germania Zeitung who essentially
[00:04:48] insinuated and wanted to know if there was
[00:04:51] any progress in the idea of
[00:04:55] Serbia and Albania perhaps joining a single
[00:04:59] European market. Here, of course, that
[00:05:02] old cynicism of President Vučić who
[00:05:06] of course does not mention what needs to be
[00:05:11] something they live with, improved at home but rather
[00:05:13] places all the problems in the field, that is, in the European Union's backyard,
[00:05:17] and Zelensky, of course, here, as
[00:05:20] always, must dominate, state
[00:05:24] his, his problems and what he expects
[00:05:28] in return, and you see here, as I said at the beginning, you can see
[00:05:32] that Zelensky is a subject of international relations, a
[00:05:34] gravity around whom this press conference simply
[00:05:38] guides world interest, and Vučić is essentially an observing object
[00:05:42] who must adapt and be very sensitive,
[00:05:46] not to say something that could offend uh either
[00:05:49] Belgrade or Ukraine, because he knows that European partners
[00:05:52] are looking at the fact that there is essentially nothing that Belgrade can do there
[00:05:56] except uh a little
[00:05:59] flattery, mhm, you said that Moscow might not
[00:06:02] be dissatisfied, and President Vučić was asked
[00:06:05] a question by a Ukrainian journalist in which she specifically mentioned
[00:06:09] Putin and how... Putin can be influenced
[00:06:13] to end this war, while in response, Serbian President
[00:06:16] Aleksandar Vučić did not mention Putin once,
[00:06:20] he said that he cannot make serious assessments of whether the war will
[00:06:24] end soon, that he would like the war to end tomorrow, but that he is not sure
[00:06:28] that something like that will happen, uh, now if we go back to
[00:06:31] what we talked about earlier, those megaphones uh of the government
[00:06:35] uh in Moscow, Aleksandar Vulin, who told Russian media
[00:06:39] that the visit is not in line with the wishes of the citizens
[00:06:42] of Serbia, but represents pressure from Brussels, and when we take all that
[00:06:46] into account, uh, and the opposition here in Serbia, which
[00:06:49] did not clearly declare itself about this visit, the majority
[00:06:52] of the opposition did not even speak out,
[00:06:56] uh, how then do we interpret all that,
[00:06:59] did uh Belgrade upset Moscow
[00:07:03] or did it not upset it or did uh Aleksandar
[00:07:07] Vučić send some uh
[00:07:10] kind of, let's say, conciliatory message
[00:07:13] to Moscow? Well, in essence, President Aleksandar
[00:07:16] Vučić repeated what he clearly
[00:07:20] emphasized abroad last week in Switzerland in his
[00:07:23] interview, that is, he did not
[00:07:26] want to mention that Russia
[00:07:29] is responsible for the aggression on Ukraine, he said that
[00:07:32] the war, according to his impression, will not end quickly,
[00:07:36] that is something that, of course, all European leaders also say because
[00:07:39] they are aware that it is a performance
[00:07:43] of negotiations, that it is an illusion of peace negotiations,
[00:07:46] here I would say that we can
[00:07:50] expect that Vučić might go on a visit
[00:07:54] to Moscow in the next six months,
[00:07:57] but I really don't see why Vučić should worry too much about
[00:08:01] the sentiment in the Kremlin at this moment,
[00:08:05] because as I said at the beginning, I think that if this transcript
[00:08:09] is sent by diplomatic mail to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
[00:08:13] of Russia, there will be no big, no
[00:08:17] big problems there, also, what is important is, I didn't mention
[00:08:21] it last time, when you asked me, that this
[00:08:25] issue of partnership rivalry on the European
[00:08:27] path between Ukraine and Serbia
[00:08:31] is something that is, how can I say, always a tension,
[00:08:35] it is something that stands in, how can I say,
[00:08:38] in the space of diplomatic conversations on a general
[00:08:43] level. on the general platform of European
[00:08:46] integration between the so-called eastern
[00:08:49] enlargement and western enlargement, where of course it is always
[00:08:52] seen who will be better and faster, and here
[00:08:56] Vučić of course very nicely said that they
[00:08:59] are not against Ukraine getting some special status to open
[00:09:03] clusters, however, uh, also
[00:09:06] cynically, and I think that in the conversation at dinner
[00:09:10] he said even more cynically that that is also
[00:09:13] in that regard, it is very easy and
[00:09:15] pleasant for Vučić to mention that
[00:09:19] path as something that is great for Serbia if Ukraine
[00:09:22] progresses, that he has no problem with that and something
[00:09:26] that, as you asked me, will certainly be
[00:09:30] welcomed in the Baltic states because the Baltic
[00:09:33] states, for example, always say that Ukraine
[00:09:36] cannot wait for the Western
[00:09:40] Balkans, but that they actually have
[00:09:43] an advantage that they should get through
[00:09:46] their defense merits,
[00:09:50] that is exactly the line, that cautious line
[00:09:53] that President Vučić sends to his
[00:09:56] partners in the European Union who are not very well-disposed
[00:10:00] towards Belgrade, and maybe one last sentence
[00:10:03] for Moscow, I think that also
[00:10:07] this fact that we discussed, that there are no
[00:10:11] indications of this defense
[00:10:14] defense sector and drone production, at least formally,
[00:10:17] is something that essentially gives Vučić the advantage to
[00:10:21] say that this is a formal visit and that
[00:10:25] Moscow should not worry, because even that ammunition that was previously
[00:10:29] the subject of discussion is not
[00:10:31] anymore, drones will be made with the help of
[00:10:35] Israel, so here the entire tension
[00:10:38] is actually calmed, mhm, of course
[00:10:41] we will follow whether the President of Serbia, as usual, already tomorrow
[00:10:45] or in the coming days, will have a meeting with the Russian
[00:10:48] ambassador here in Serbia, Nikola, thank you
[00:10:52] very much for the time you have dedicated to N1.
[00:10:56] Thank you, have a nice day, so we are following
[00:10:58] and analyzing the visit of Volodymyr Zelensky
[00:11:02] to Serbia and we will be back after a short break.
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[00:18:07] Follow N1 live regarding the visit of the President of Ukraine
[00:18:11] to Serbia. About ten to fifteen
[00:18:14] minutes ago, the press conference of the two presidents
[00:18:18] in the Palace of Serbia ended. We are now going to where
[00:18:22] Aleksandra Gotfroa is waiting for us, Aleksandra,
[00:18:25] what could we hear at this conference, what didn't we
[00:18:29] hear, and what could be read between
[00:18:31] the lines.
[00:18:36] Well, perhaps the most indicative thing is what we heard at the very
[00:18:40] end, namely, the President of Serbia, Aleksandar Vučić, claims that
[00:18:43] there was no discussion of any military cooperation, that
[00:18:47] Serbia is indeed building a drone factory, but with the Israelis, and that it will
[00:18:51] be opened in September. What is also indicative
[00:18:54] there is that it was the second time during
[00:18:57] his statements, statements by Aleksandar Vučić, that he
[00:19:01] said "after the war", so after the war, Serbia
[00:19:04] will discuss possible military cooperation, perhaps
[00:19:08] with Ukraine. He used the same formulation "after the war" in connection with
[00:19:12] closer foreign policy relations with
[00:19:14] Ukraine, foreign policy, joint appearance
[00:19:18] towards third countries. So, those
[00:19:21] analysts who spoke about the fact that
[00:19:24] Zelensky's arrival on an official visit to Serbia for the first time,
[00:19:28] we actually heard that he is actually the first Ukrainian president in eight
[00:19:32] years to come here, does not mean
[00:19:35] a change in Serbia's foreign policy,
[00:19:39] it does not mean turning away from
[00:19:42] Moscow, although we can say that the very act of Zelensky's
[00:19:46] arrival here is a kind of slap to Moscow,
[00:19:50] primarily a slap that comes from
[00:19:52] Kyiv and the European Union. What we could specifically
[00:19:56] hear during these statements, during these
[00:19:59] addresses, is that Serbia will send additional
[00:20:03] humanitarian aid to Ukraine, mostly medicines,
[00:20:06] it will also send humanitarian aid in
[00:20:09] the form of uh elements for
[00:20:12] Ukraine's power system. Ukrainian President
[00:20:16] Volodymyr Zelensky said that there is almost no
[00:20:19] power plant or power station in
[00:20:22] Ukraine that has not been damaged in these
[00:20:25] attacks. You rightly noted, Dušan, that there was
[00:20:29] a drastic difference in the tone and content of the statements of the two
[00:20:32] presidents, so the Ukrainian president began
[00:20:36] his speech with
[00:20:39] a report not from the front, but a report on civilian casualties in
[00:20:43] the last 24 hours in Ukraine, so
[00:20:48] it was added at the very end that
[00:20:52] Ukraine actually has neither the time nor can it afford
[00:20:55] to be skeptical about membership in the European
[00:20:59] Union, so obviously both Zelensky and
[00:21:03] Vučić said that they had talked for a long time
[00:21:06] about the topic of membership in the European Union, of course both countries
[00:21:10] will support each other on those paths, but
[00:21:13] unlike Ukraine, Aleksandar Vučić says
[00:21:17] that in Serbia there is great skepticism, he himself
[00:21:20] expressed skepticism that either Serbia or
[00:21:24] Ukraine will ever or in the near future become a member of that
[00:21:27] country. So, these are some forms of uh, or
[00:21:31] some, some things they talked about, which they announced
[00:21:34] to journalists, what they actually talked about and did not announce
[00:21:38] to journalists, we really cannot know at this
[00:21:41] moment. Again, Aleksandar Vučić claims that
[00:21:45] there was no discussion of any forms of military
[00:21:48] cooperation. This time, that is left
[00:21:52] for after the war, mhm, yes, Aleksandra, as you
[00:21:55] said, Volodymyr Zelensky started with
[00:21:59] the situation from last night in Ukraine,
[00:22:02] while Aleksandar Vučić had a protocol stance, so,
[00:22:06] he mentioned that Serbia and Ukraine are friendly countries, that Serbia
[00:22:09] supports the United Nations Charter, UN resolution,
[00:22:13] there is also support for EU integrations, as
[00:22:16] you said, however, it was an interesting question
[00:22:19] uh... so the Ukrainian journalist who asked him how
[00:22:22] Putin can be influenced to end
[00:22:26] this war, while Aleksandar Vučić in his answer did not
[00:22:30] even mention Vladimir Putin by name, but said that he cannot
[00:22:34] make serious assessments about when and how the
[00:22:37] war will end, that he
[00:22:40] would like the war to end tomorrow, but that it is not possible,
[00:22:44] uh, so, uh, he avoided mentioning
[00:22:47] Russia in any way, even to a direct question
[00:22:51] from Ukrainian journalists in which they mention uh Vladimir
[00:22:55] Putin,
[00:22:59] that's right, so he didn't mention Moscow, the Kremlin, or Putin
[00:23:02] in his statements and
[00:23:06] that question, he simply said that he cannot speculate when the war will
[00:23:10] end, but that he fears it will last
[00:23:14] a long, long time, uh, it wouldn't
[00:23:16] be questionable perhaps to mention Russia, Putin,
[00:23:20] in front of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky who came here on an
[00:23:24] official visit, so perhaps it wouldn't be
[00:23:27] either, I don't know if it would be according to protocol, but it certainly wouldn't be according to
[00:23:30] some kind of home schooling,
[00:23:34] again it is completely clear from the content of what was
[00:23:37] stated that the policy will not change, also Aleksandar
[00:23:41] Vučić did not say "we will never impose sanctions on Russia,"
[00:23:45] which is something he never fails to say every time
[00:23:48] he mentions and means in the past that Serbia respects
[00:23:52] the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine, this
[00:23:56] time the emphasis was precisely on this first part, as well as on the fact
[00:23:59] that Ukraine respects the territorial integrity of Serbia and
[00:24:03] does not recognize Kosovo. Volodymyr Zelensky said that this
[00:24:06] policy will not change, that Ukraine will not
[00:24:09] recognize Kosovo and will respect the territorial integrity
[00:24:12] of Serbia as it respects the territorial integrity of all other
[00:24:15] UN member states, finally demanding that it
[00:24:18] also be respected.
[00:24:21] Aleksandra, thank you very much for this report, Aleksandra reported
[00:24:25] from the Palace of Serbia. And about
[00:24:28] how Washington sees this visit,
[00:24:31] especially the mention of European media,
[00:24:34] the role of Christopher Hill, former US ambassador, in connecting
[00:24:37] Belgrade and Kyiv on the issue of weapons, Edward Joseph
[00:24:41] from John Hopkins University spoke
[00:24:44] about this for N1 earlier. Let's watch that too.
[00:24:47] Mr. Joseph, thank you for
[00:24:50] speaking to N1.
[00:24:53] Glad to be with you,
[00:24:56] Dusan. Mr. Joseph, Zelensky
[00:25:00] is coming to Serbia, various
[00:25:03] topics are on the table, how do you see this
[00:25:06] visit, especially considering
[00:25:09] that it comes at a time when Ukraine says it
[00:25:13] lacks weapons for defense against
[00:25:16] Russia.
[00:25:19] First of all. This is a very important visit and no one
[00:25:23] should doubt it, and when all is said and done,
[00:25:26] it is very positive, because first of all, it sends
[00:25:29] a very important message throughout
[00:25:32] Serbia, but also to Serbia's neighbors,
[00:25:36] that there is no chance that
[00:25:38] Russia will win this war, because why
[00:25:42] would Belgrade, why would President
[00:25:46] Vučić invite the president of a country that
[00:25:49] will lose the war, so everyone in Serbia who
[00:25:52] is pro-Russian oriented, everyone in
[00:25:55] Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro, anywhere in the neighborhood, and
[00:25:59] even in Bulgaria, who thinks
[00:26:02] that Russia will somehow win,
[00:26:05] I think that President Zelensky's visit
[00:26:09] sends a strong message that this is simply not
[00:26:12] the case, that he is actually
[00:26:15] a winner, from the NATO summit he emerged as
[00:26:18] a winner, which President Trump and other NATO
[00:26:22] allies acknowledged as an increasingly strong leader of an exceptional
[00:26:26] and resilient country, but despite all that,
[00:26:29] Dušan, this visit will not change Serbia's position.
[00:26:33] It will not change the way President Vučić
[00:26:36] manipulates the situation with his relationship with
[00:26:40] Vladimir Putin and
[00:26:42] Russia. Yes, so what does this
[00:26:46] visit bring to Aleksandar Vučić?
[00:26:49] Well, for him it is, you see, a matter of prestige. Let's not
[00:26:53] forget, President Zelensky is one of
[00:26:57] the most recognizable,
[00:26:59] certainly one of the most respected figures in
[00:27:03] the world, he occupies a very
[00:27:06] prominent place on the world stage, he met with
[00:27:10] President Trump in the Oval Office multiple times, he wasTELEVISION NEWS TRANSCRIPT:
[00:27:13] in the spotlight at the recent NATO summit,
[00:27:17] he was a star there where he gave a speech,
[00:27:21] so, for President Vučić, it represents
[00:27:24] recognition and prestige, especially at a time
[00:27:28] when he continues to face serious protests
[00:27:31] and widespread opposition from
[00:27:35] Serbian citizens to his rule,
[00:27:38] so, there is a prestige factor, but
[00:27:41] no one should be under any illusion that this
[00:27:45] will in any way change Serbia's stance,
[00:27:49] even President Vučić stated that Serbia will not
[00:27:52] change its stance on sanctions against Russia,
[00:27:56] so, there should be no illusions about
[00:27:59] that, but despite that, this is also a very significant
[00:28:03] visit, yes, but how will he explain it to his pro-Russian
[00:28:06] voters, who make up the majority of his voters, how will he
[00:28:10] explain this visit do you expect
[00:28:13] it yes, yes,
[00:28:16] go on,
[00:28:18] yes, sorry, he already started explaining it, he's playing
[00:28:21] the card of Kosovo
[00:28:24] and saying, well, look,
[00:28:28] Ukraine doesn't recognize Kosovo, and Kosovo wasn't
[00:28:32] present.
[00:28:34] That's how President Vučić will present it, but
[00:28:38] that's not an argument, it's not a strong argument
[00:28:41] anywhere, because first of all, there is absolutely
[00:28:44] no comparison between NATO
[00:28:48] bombing in 1999 and Russian actions against
[00:28:51] Ukraine, starting from 2014,
[00:28:54] as well as this severe,
[00:28:57] brutal aggression that continues
[00:29:01] with night bombings of Kyiv with direct targeting
[00:29:04] of civilian targets in Ukraine and civilian
[00:29:08] infrastructure, so that argument doesn't
[00:29:11] hold up. What's more, when
[00:29:14] these two cases are compared, Vladimir Putin
[00:29:18] is the one who benefits from such
[00:29:21] a comparison. Vladimir Putin is the one who
[00:29:24] tries to make the argument: Look, NATO did
[00:29:27] that to Serbia, I can do that to Ukraine. And as some in
[00:29:31] Serbia have noticed. This represents tacit recognition
[00:29:34] of Kosovo by Vladimir Putin, but
[00:29:38] the German Faz states that one of the topics will be the opening,
[00:29:41] i.e. the possibility of building a drone factory in
[00:29:45] Serbia, do you think that is even possible given
[00:29:48] Belgrade's relationship with Moscow and how
[00:29:52] Moscow would react to
[00:29:55] I would not rule out the possibility that it
[00:29:59] is possible, I don't know if... it will actually
[00:30:02] happen, Serbia previously concluded
[00:30:05] an agreement with an Israeli company
[00:30:08] regarding drone production, but
[00:30:12] that is certainly a possibility. Ukraine has
[00:30:16] shown impressive resilience precisely why
[00:30:18] Serbs, i.e. all Serbs who harbor
[00:30:22] certain support for Russia or Vladimir Putin should
[00:30:26] reconsider this. Russia is a failing country,
[00:30:29] all it does is send thousands
[00:30:33] of people, thousands of young Russians to their death
[00:30:36] for a futile goal, it is a country that
[00:30:39] is failing. Ukraine, on the other hand,
[00:30:42] is a globally recognized leader in drone technology, and
[00:30:45] that is a strong reason for those in
[00:30:49] Serbia, who still hold some
[00:30:52] strange pro-Russian sympathies, to
[00:30:56] change their minds.