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[00:00:00] a few months, so it is said [00:00:03] something that is the most, I would say, to choose between, between Moscow and Brussels to determine and this is one of the signals [00:00:07] about it, so, I would say that [00:00:10] it is that this is in the context of that [00:00:13] lobbying for the opening of Cluster 3, that famous, isn't it [00:00:17] Cluster 3, but regardless of whether and when that [00:00:21] cluster 3 will be opened, Serbia is this [00:00:23] definitely at least ten years behind [00:00:26] both because of its foreign policy and because [00:00:30] of its domestic policy, so, these are two things [00:00:33] that have directly burdened [00:00:36] caused by the policy of the regime and burdened our [00:00:40] position when it comes to Europe, that is, our [00:00:43] strategic, essentially strategic important [00:00:46] important question, that is how, when and in what way can we [00:00:50] join the European Union. To what extent are the general [00:00:53] positions from which Serbia, i.e. Ukraine [00:00:57] uh are moving on that European path comparable. "We heard [00:01:00] that this is precisely one of the topics mentioned by the President [00:01:03] of the Republic, saying that both Serbia and Ukraine [00:01:07] have similar challenges on their way [00:01:11] well, I mean Serbia and Ukraine, pardon me, are in a tragic [00:01:14] situation uh I should [00:01:17] point out that we should definitely welcome this visit, shouldn't we [00:01:21] it's a few years late but it's good, better late than [00:01:24] never, uh, but Ukraine is a country at war, Ukraine is [00:01:28] a country that..." "invests somewhere around a quarter [00:01:32] and more of its national income for warfare, [00:01:35] a country that has lost a lot of soldiers, [00:01:39] but many people have left, isn't it, it has large, [00:01:42] a large wave of refugees, it had uh [00:01:46] extremely severe consequences on industry, on [00:01:49] energy and so on, uh, but when [00:01:53] it comes to the disputed political position of Ukraine, Ukraine, when it comes [00:01:57] to the relationship with the European Union, Ukraine is..." remained a candidate [00:02:01] thanks to the war, because before that nobody wanted to [00:02:04] hear about a Ukrainian candidacy [00:02:07] and it started negotiations, so the first [00:02:11] cluster with Ukraine was opened, on the other hand, Serbia, as [00:02:14] I mentioned, already, in quotation marks, used this war to [00:02:18] get stuck, in fact, in negotiations with the European Union, to [00:02:22] stay where it was in 2022, [00:02:25] to in some way become uh the black [00:02:29] sheep in that number of candidates for [00:02:32] membership, I think that regardless of [00:02:35] this juggling by Vučić in foreign policy, here [00:02:39] today I am friends with Ukrainians, tomorrow I will be with [00:02:42] Russians again, this, much [00:02:45] will not be, will not be achieved, simply because [00:02:49] the internal situation in Serbia is such [00:02:52] that we do not resemble a country that is a true candidate [00:02:56] for membership, for a country that strives for European values. [00:03:00] values, we know what all this government [00:03:04] has done negatively in the field of rule of law, [00:03:07] corruption, especially government accountability, [00:03:11] media, uh, endangerment of media freedom [00:03:14] and so on, these are some topics that both the European [00:03:18] Union and European institutions point out at every uh possible [00:03:22] opportunity, uh does such a visit now [00:03:25] establish or change the impression that current assessments [00:03:29] have presented? that negative, well, this is, as I would say, in [00:03:32] in when it comes to the views of Brussels, you have that geopolitical [00:03:36] angle, on the one hand, you have this, let's say, [00:03:39] questions of value adjustment of a [00:03:42] candidate country, certainly geopolitics also plays [00:03:46] a certain role, but not definitively, so nobody [00:03:49] will be admitted to the European Union just because [00:03:53] they have a special international position, but they must [00:03:57] have internal reforms, which were not [00:04:00] implemented here, on one and the other hand, we [00:04:04] are, our government has failed, in the [00:04:08] tones in real life, not just on meantime, it is trying with these four [00:04:10] years of delay to correct some mistakes when it comes to foreign [00:04:14] policy, but that will always be, as they do, [00:04:17] limited, temporary and [00:04:21] changeable, depending on the moment, isn't it, and what they think suits them [00:04:25] better, I think Vučić, Vučić [00:04:28] estimates now that... "in the context of this [00:04:31] election campaign, it suits him to somehow [00:04:35] achieve something, not so much with Ukraine [00:04:39] as with the European Union, that this visit should actually [00:04:43] be uh analyzed and [00:04:45] observed from that angle, perhaps even [00:04:49] to somehow with his [00:04:53] geopolitical juggling to uh perhaps [00:04:56] muddy the waters a little when it comes to the upcoming [00:05:00] we can expect probably a very massive fraud [00:05:03] in the elections that is being prepared [00:05:07] uh at this moment, so [00:05:10] Serbia is also, of course, in a very... specific situation, Ukraine, as [00:05:14] many comment, seeks support wherever it can get it, so [00:05:17] probably that's why uh it won't [00:05:21] of course deal with our internal situation [00:05:23] Zelensky to that extent, but does actually, precisely when [00:05:27] it comes to how uh the [00:05:30] world views this event, uh Vučić [00:05:34] with this move, as the historian Dragan Jokovina says, [00:05:37] solidifies his policy of sitting on multiple chairs, [00:05:40] he used that exact phrase. [00:05:42] they say precisely because of the focus that the Ukrainian [00:05:46] Ukrainian question has at this moment on the international scene, that [00:05:50] today's visit has such a result, so Vučić [00:05:54] has lost a lot on the domestic front in 2025 [00:05:57] in fact it was a process of [00:06:00] delegitimization of this [00:06:03] regime, usually in small [00:06:07] countries, this government looks, if it cannot control the situation [00:06:11] internally, then it tries to improve the international situation a bit [00:06:14] in that sense, and taking into account the fact [00:06:17] that when we look at the war itself in Ukraine and what [00:06:21] our pro-Russian [00:06:24] analysts announced, isn't it, Russians [00:06:27] on the Danube one day, after four years, I think [00:06:31] the President of the state also concluded that there is no great benefit [00:06:35] from the Russians, he also has some problems with them [00:06:39] when it comes to sanctions, they are not sanctions, are they. [00:06:42] And the question of gas import is constantly like a [00:06:46] kind of sword of Damocles, isn't it, it is extended for a few [00:06:50] months, if some agreement was announced for [00:06:53] several years, that remains, we saw [00:06:56] in the last agreement with the Americans [00:07:00] that diversification is mentioned, the purchase of liquid [00:07:03] gas from the USA, so [00:07:06] Serbia is showing some signs [00:07:09] of shifting, so to speak, towards Washington and... Brussels [00:07:13] which, as we can expect, is [00:07:16] always from this regime only temporary [00:07:19] and, let's say, tactical, because this [00:07:23] regime does not even have a serious strategy, the story about the European Union [00:07:26] as a strategy was just a distraction, [00:07:30] lies, we see where we have come in that story, in 10 [00:07:34] years since the opening of negotiations, and now until [00:07:37] today, instead of progressing, we have [00:07:39] practically uh stalled, haven't we? "in negotiations, [00:07:43] we are standing still, if we even mention some other [00:07:46] topics such as the reform agenda, well, we have all [00:07:50] days where [00:07:54] the money that disappeared is, haven't we, who still [00:07:57] mentions that money that never arrives from Brussels when it comes [00:08:01] to reforms, because it is always still being [00:08:05] weighed up, so to speak, whether [00:08:08] how much Vučić has moved and how much [00:08:11] he has fulfilled the promises he made [00:08:15] to Western statesmen at the [00:08:18] summit in Tivat, so this visit is in that [00:08:22] context, so some partial [00:08:26] fulfillment, as always, his promises are either not fulfilled [00:08:30] or only partially fulfilled, in this case [00:08:33] this, so a slight shift from the Russians, but we will see [00:08:37] in the next phase, in the next seven days [00:08:40] or a month, how it will be. probably again [00:08:44] taking into account the composition of voters and [00:08:47] the attitudes of voters of [00:08:51] SNS, probably those relations [00:08:54] with Russia will [00:08:57] be corrected, a convoy of vehicles is arriving [00:09:00] we expect, therefore, the beginning of the ceremonial [00:09:04] welcome for the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky, [00:09:07] we will follow this part of the state [00:09:09] protocol. [00:09:22] He just arrived [00:09:23] and [00:09:31] hello. [00:14:07] As you can see, the ceremonial welcome for the President [00:14:11] of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky, the anthems of the two [00:14:14] countries were played and the guard of honor of the Serbian Army was inspected [00:14:18] in front of the Palace of Serbia where meetings are now taking place, [00:14:21] according to the plan, a little after 12 o'clock, the two presidents [00:14:25] will address the media, our guest in the studio [00:14:28] diplomat Duško Lopandić, Mr. Lopandić, [00:14:31] Zelensky himself said that talks were planned [00:14:35] on expanding economic cooperation, relations [00:14:38] in the European Union, in connection with the European Union, [00:14:42] security topics and other topics of common interest, [00:14:45] how broad is that, so to speak, field when we say economic [00:14:49] cooperation which can also imply this uh [00:14:52] defensive, as it is called today, and when... topics are mentioned, other topics [00:14:56] of common interest, what are all those topics that can be for Serbia and [00:14:59] Ukraine? Well, there is one topic that has been dragging on for a long time, that is [00:15:03] the question of the free trade agreement, which is actually [00:15:06] connected even from some ancient [00:15:09] times, 20 years ago with our candidacy for [00:15:13] membership in the World Trade Organization, Ukraine is one of the few [00:15:17] countries with which we have not finished negotiations [00:15:20] due to various reasons, but [00:15:23] somehow unusual, so that Serbia has free trade [00:15:27] agreements with Russia, Kazakhstan, [00:15:30] China, Turkey, many countries, but [00:15:34] those negotiations with Ukraine never get finished, [00:15:37] so that's [00:15:41] the most concrete when it comes to that economic plan, the other topic that was [00:15:45] mentioned is energy, we also know [00:15:49] from not too transparent [00:15:51] information that Serbia helped Ukraine in [00:15:54] some, in the context [00:15:58] of the destruction of energy facilities in this war, [00:16:02] so in a way, it is certain that [00:16:05] this is one of the things that are positive in that [00:16:09] cooperation, but which have not been published much [00:16:13] publicly so far, so to speak, [00:16:15] and when it comes to military cooperation, [00:16:19] I am not sure to what extent that [00:16:23] is really uh to what extent [00:16:26] it is, so that can be a perspective, we hear [00:16:29] about Serbia producing [00:16:32] drones with Israel, I don't know with, now with [00:16:35] Ukraine, so these are some unofficial [00:16:39] information and the question of whether Serbia [00:16:42] can, for example, in that, on that plan, to [00:16:46] get much involved in something that is, after all, [00:16:49] directly related to the war itself between [00:16:53] Russia and Ukraine, and which is an extremely sensitive issue in [00:16:57] such situations, so those uh [00:17:00] international geopolitical poles are mentioned, aren't they, i.e. East and West, as [00:17:03] it is most often said, and what kind of, simply? [00:17:07] expectations views assessments and [00:17:11] evaluations from one side as well as the other, [00:17:14] right before the meeting we could hear something that was presented [00:17:18] in, for example, German media, that is, that some military cooperation was mentioned quite loudly [00:17:22] and the role of the former US Ambassador Christopher Hill in this, on the other hand, [00:17:26] somehow, let's [00:17:30] say, it's also noticeable [00:17:33] that the entire visit in Russia is somehow for now [00:17:38] quite restrained, well, yes, I think this [00:17:42] is, of course, a blow to Russian prestige, I mean, it's not [00:17:46] the most important, perhaps for the Russians and the most important, but this [00:17:49] Serbia is one of the few, let's say, conditionally [00:17:52] pro-Russian countries within, this, within [00:17:55] Europe in general, and this, as [00:17:59] it was said, is a slap in the face for Russia in the symbolic [00:18:02] field, but they might wait to first hear [00:18:06] at this press conference later [00:18:09] what the concrete results of this visit are, I think [00:18:12] that the results will primarily be [00:18:16] symbolic in nature, so I do not believe that any [00:18:19] major uh agreements, especially [00:18:22] of this type that relate to military cooperation, [00:18:26] can be agreed upon, but that is certainly [00:18:29] a shift of Belgrade [00:18:31] towards, as I said, primarily towards [00:18:35] Berlin, Brussels, in fact. signals [00:18:38] for which Vučić expects [00:18:41] some reward, isn't it, in the foreseeable [00:18:44] future, and that will be the primary [00:18:48] effect, I think, of this visit, [00:18:52] but uh, I would [00:18:54] say that Serbia is not in a position to fully take [00:18:58] one side or the other, especially considering [00:19:02] the issue of sanctions that we have burdened ourselves with, [00:19:05] in fact, it is... "This is, [00:19:09] this is what uh, the government itself [00:19:11] announced would be under the stone, isn't it, when the war started, [00:19:15] then it came out above and waved with those sanctions [00:19:18] and that pressure will always remain, [00:19:22] but we will see if only Zelensky's visit [00:19:26] perhaps, I am sure that the Serbian [00:19:29] president will even ask the Ukrainian to lobby for [00:19:33] his cause when it comes to relations, for example, when it [00:19:37] comes to..." the position of the Baltic countries or Poland, [00:19:40] Sweden and these northern countries which are mostly blocking [00:19:44] actually negotiations within the [00:19:47] European Union with Serbia to push a little from its [00:19:51] side, Ukraine in that sense, now [00:19:54] it has gained an additional role that it also had, and I [00:19:58] think that the Ukrainians are very satisfied with this visit, the very [00:20:01] fact that it took place, that this [00:20:05] is an interesting view on what is happening, given that, [00:20:08] as you mentioned, there is an ongoing [00:20:12] specific situation related to the oil industry of Serbia, [00:20:16] that is, parallel to that extension of the American [00:20:20] administration's permit and the negotiations that are now going on, we can say [00:20:23] in the most diverse directions, from the Serbian government [00:20:27] talking to Hungarian Mol about some future functioning which [00:20:31] has not actually been agreed between Mol and [00:20:34] Gazprom, that is, Mol. So, on [00:20:38] that plan, depending on what [00:20:41] we hear around noon, [00:20:43] can something change, or is it just a story that is heading towards [00:20:47] its resolution already on a well-trodden path. "Well, I would say [00:20:51] that Russia generally uh [00:20:54] does not have too many instruments [00:20:57] of pressure on Serbia, but it does have some serious ones, [00:21:00] primarily gas, isn't it, we are still 100% [00:21:03] dependent on Russian gas, and when it [00:21:07] comes to NIS and the issue of oil import, that is, [00:21:11] oil processing, and [00:21:13] there is an impression that negotiations have somehow stalled, [00:21:17] especially after the departure of Orban [00:21:20] from power in Hungary, [00:21:23] but uh, the impression is that they stalled primarily [00:21:26] due to uh, let's say, [00:21:29] a lack of diplomatic cooperation from the Russian side, when [00:21:33] it comes to the entire transaction, and [00:21:36] here the Serbian government, as [00:21:40] usual, juggled, didn't it, and avoided [00:21:44] making a decision to take measures that, for example, [00:21:47] we, as opposition parties, proposed, to simply [00:21:51] take over the company so that Serbia has, if it has [00:21:54] any sovereignty, it surely has the right to control [00:21:58] companies that deal with energy as [00:22:01] one of the key issues, but that was avoided, so [00:22:05] we will see if anything changes on that front now when it comes to the relationship with [00:22:08] Russia, I would not expect [00:22:11] any dramatic reactions, the Russians have [00:22:15] problems up to their necks even without [00:22:18] this topic, but it is certainly again [00:22:22] to conclude that there may be some deals [00:22:25] with Ukraine, [00:22:28] that generally in the foreseeable [00:22:31] future, Russia's influence will [00:22:49] Find out who. 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