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[00:00:00] I would add, that we must view this as something that
[00:00:03] concerns all of us. So, when we talk about domestic violence, violence in the
[00:00:07] family, it is not a private matter, although it is very often seen that way
[00:00:12] we simply have to work on here. For example, we still haven't moved past that here in Serbia; we still view it that way. And it would be
[00:00:16] very important to understand that it is a public matter that concerns all of us, that
[00:00:20] when we hear or when we see, when we know of a case, we should
[00:00:23] report it. Yes, here in Bosnia and Herzegovina, where failures were clearly indicated,
[00:00:27] these four female victims were killed. In Serbia,
[00:00:31] we don't have data, at least as far as I have seen,
[00:00:34] that cases were reported earlier. There are isolated cases, and
[00:00:38] I might be wrong, but according to what I've read, there isn't such clear
[00:00:42] institutional failure uh, so in that sense, we cannot
[00:00:46] determine in this way who else
[00:00:50] should be held accountable. In any case, that is not
[00:00:53] a relief or an alleviating circumstance.
[00:00:56] It's not, it's not an alleviating circumstance, of course, uh...
[00:01:00] it's just about somehow, but that cultural
[00:01:03] problem you mentioned, that's right, so it's as if something really big, really
[00:01:07] terrible needs to happen to shake us up so that
[00:01:10] we react then. Until then, we don't recognize it
[00:01:13] as a problem, although there were cases in Serbia earlier,
[00:01:16] it wasn't perhaps so clear where all the failures were made, that,
[00:01:20] for example, like the case of this man from Sarajevo
[00:01:23] whose question is how he got this security
[00:01:27] assessment that he could carry weapons and so on. "We didn't have
[00:01:31] that here, but we did have cases, of course, in most cases women
[00:01:34] reported the problem of suffering violence,
[00:01:38] but those measures were either lenient or it was simply
[00:01:42] a restraining order
[00:01:43] people who were in against the woman. How is that restraining order controlled here? Well, we saw here there is no
[00:01:47] electronic system yet,
[00:01:50] bureaucracy is in trouble.
[00:01:53] How is that restraining order monitored here? Well, I honestly
[00:01:57] don't even know if I can say there is any systematic monitoring." that we reached
[00:02:00] that level. I am not aware if it is monitored electronically
[00:02:04] or simply
[00:02:07] by word of mouth, but I would say it's more the latter
[00:02:10] because the reporting, that's right, by the victims themselves, because we
[00:02:14] simply had cases in some smaller towns in Serbia where that measure
[00:02:17] was issued, but that man approached that woman without any problems. Yes, when it comes to
[00:02:21] Croatia, here, the European Union, I always mention that, so then
[00:02:25] what are the controls there, measures of approach, which are obviously very important? The possibility
[00:02:28] is mentioned here. Up to three years if the measure is not
[00:02:32] respected. When it comes to Croatia, what is the situation there? We
[00:02:36] had a problem with the violation of protective measures, and then
[00:02:39] we regulated it in such a way that every violation of protective measures
[00:02:42] constitutes a separate misdemeanor. At
[00:02:46] the beginning, before, I don't know exactly, maybe
[00:02:50] seven or eight years ago, we had a regulation that prescribed
[00:02:53] that supervision should be carried out uh, whether the
[00:02:56] measures against the victim
[00:02:59] were violated during an interview with the victim and upon her report. However, we
[00:03:03] requested that this regulation be changed
[00:03:06] and that supervision be carried out
[00:03:08] exclusively by observing the perpetrator,
[00:03:12] by incommoding him and in front of his apartment, at his workplace, because the protective
[00:03:16] measure is actually a punishment, his sanction
[00:03:19] is directed towards him, and he must know that he is under a certain
[00:03:23] sanction, that precisely the violation of such
[00:03:25] a sanction must be controlled over
[00:03:29] him." "In conversation with the police on the ground, in the
[00:03:32] last few weeks I have been
[00:03:35] in conversation with police administrations and we are discussing how
[00:03:39] and with what resources they can control
[00:03:42] perpetrators
[00:03:45] of domestic violence or partner violence, how
[00:03:48] they can control them sufficiently
[00:03:51] to be sure that such protective
[00:03:54] measures are not violated. They say it's very difficult, it's
[00:03:58] very." A wide spectrum of resource
[00:04:02] dispersion, which they have less
[00:04:05] of than they have. Of course, everyone
[00:04:09] suggests and believes that what
[00:04:12] some European Union countries have, a Red Button or a panic alarm
[00:04:16] that the victim carries
[00:04:20] when it comes to such protective measures that the perpetrator
[00:04:23] might violate, or ankle monitors that, for example,
[00:04:27] the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina has. Some other
[00:04:31] European countries are something that Croatia should also
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[00:11:10] We are back in the N1 Television studio, Red Line show, tonight we are discussing, unfortunately,
[00:11:14] a very problematic and sad topic: femicide in the countries of the region. In the
[00:11:17] first part of the show, we talked a lot about the legal procedure,
[00:11:20] so let's touch upon some recent data
[00:11:24] from research. And victims, those who are
[00:11:27] perpetrators of this criminal act. When it comes
[00:11:30] to Serbia, Vanja, we have some data for 13 years,
[00:11:34] 430 women were killed, uh,
[00:11:37] 61% are current or former partners, the rest are sons
[00:11:40] or grandsons. So the essence is that only
[00:11:43] about 4% or 5%
[00:11:47] are unknown perpetrators. So most often they are emotional
[00:11:50] partners, former or current, but sons or
[00:11:54] grandsons. Most often, around 78% in an apartment or
[00:11:57] house. Here, 5% of the violence
[00:12:00] was previously reported. We talked a bit during the break about reporting
[00:12:04] violence. These four murders occurred in smaller places, so they were probably difficult
[00:12:08] to report. So, how
[00:12:11] do you comment on these
[00:12:14] data? Well, that leads to the sentence that
[00:12:18] always accompanies this topic, it's something that is often repeated,
[00:12:21] but I have to say it, which is that a woman is least safe in her own home. "Mhm.
[00:12:25] And that is precisely supported by these data. That is something that can be seen in media
[00:12:28] analyses. I participated in monitoring within the group
[00:12:32] of journalists against violence against women for
[00:12:35] 2024. Yes, 2025
[00:12:38] should be, I hope it will actually be done, and you simply
[00:12:42] see, therefore, in most cases the perpetrators are their former
[00:12:45] current partners or family members.
[00:12:49] Now, when we look at how the media
[00:12:52] treated this, that's important. And
[00:12:56] I'm relying on the previous part of the story, so how much we participate
[00:12:59] in creating awareness and encouraging women to report and
[00:13:02] perceiving partner violence in general
[00:13:06] in the wider community. That's why it's important, and that's why we do it, and that's why
[00:13:09] we observe how the media writes about this topic, and
[00:13:13] among other things, that's why colleagues hold
[00:13:15] workshops and work with certain media, especially those
[00:13:19] we characterize as tabloids, and who we already know somehow gather
[00:13:22] cheap clicks with these topics,
[00:13:25] unfortunately, mhm, now we also see that the situation has slightly
[00:13:29] changed and I must say improved, which somehow,
[00:13:32] well, I will attribute this success to the efforts
[00:13:36] of colleagues from the group "Journalists Against Violence Against Women" and those
[00:13:40] trainings, because we see, for example, that tabloids
[00:13:42] no longer report in such a
[00:13:45] sensationalist way as before.
[00:13:48] For example, the problem remains with headlines, slightly more than
[00:13:52] 50%, I think 56%.
[00:13:55] of headlines still violate the ethical code,
[00:13:58] and I'm talking not only about tabloids, but simply all observed media, and
[00:14:02] we monitored everything, meaning TV and online
[00:14:05] radio reports for the entire past year. So,
[00:14:09] we have this situation. Now, how do we interpret this? It's very
[00:14:12] likely that what's happening is that they simply won't give up on the headline's
[00:14:16] sensationalism and clickbait
[00:14:19] in the headlines, but then they respect some
[00:14:23] ethical principles in the text itself. What is noticeable
[00:14:27] and what is happening, and what I think is very, very important, and what somehow slightly
[00:14:31] separates us from that cultural
[00:14:34] code of ours and something that was very prevalent before,
[00:14:38] is that it's happening less and less, or now we see a shift where
[00:14:41] less blame is placed on the victim. So,
[00:14:45] no excuses are sought
[00:14:47] in terms of,
[00:14:51] that's right, or it's no longer sought, blame is no longer placed on...
[00:14:55] for example, alcoholism, poverty, he had problems with alcohol, so he
[00:14:58] resorted to some weapon and killed
[00:15:02] his partner. And there is less and less disbelief in women, which I think
[00:15:06] is very important in our context and which is
[00:15:09] a very big step forward, because when you see that in the media, it
[00:15:13] will be a different story. That's why I mentioned earlier this case when we
[00:15:16] watched the report from Sarajevo, how important it is that we no longer have such
[00:15:20] statements, like "she planned to leave him and he got angry and that's
[00:15:23] why" or "he was a good neighbor, we didn't believe it." That's right, so, he
[00:15:27] greeted us, he greeted us in the hallway. Yes,
[00:15:30] did you want to ask something else? Yes, I wanted, I just wanted to add
[00:15:34] that when we talk about that
[00:15:37] educational role, that is, about reporting on the phenomenon of violence,
[00:15:41] we see a moment of progress,
[00:15:44] then a regression, so to speak, and
[00:15:50] that together, all of us who participate in creating
[00:15:53] media content. For example, in 2019, there were
[00:15:57] 17% of such texts, in 2021,
[00:16:00] 23%, then in 2024,
[00:16:03] a smaller percentage, only 20% of such texts, and they are very
[00:16:07] important, and it is very important to talk about the phenomenon, to talk about
[00:16:11] prevention, to constantly send a message to women to empower themselves, to
[00:16:15] empower themselves to report, that they are not alone, that there are solutions regardless of the fact that maybe
[00:16:19] this system doesn't believe that when it comes to Croatia, there are also some
[00:16:22] researches. The last one I saw was done from 2016 to
[00:16:26] 2024, 130 women killed, 50%
[00:16:29] of perpetrators have a history of violent behavior, which is not
[00:16:33] negligible. So maybe it can still be prevented.
[00:16:36] Also, most often, it's in an enclosed space, similar to the situation in Serbia.
[00:16:40] 94% know the victim and the attacker, so these are similar
[00:16:44] data. In Croatia, it says the most vulnerable are women
[00:16:47] 65 plus, although these data from Serbia that I mentioned were
[00:16:50] older women, and often it's not just partners but
[00:16:54] sons and grandsons. Now, you recently presented data
[00:16:58] that there has been an increase in
[00:17:01] emotional partner relationships
[00:17:05] over the past year compared to the year before, if I understood correctly.
[00:17:09] Uh, yes, uh, it's intensified, so,
[00:17:13] we are seeing an increase,
[00:17:15] exceptionally high when it comes to intimate partners, so,
[00:17:21] a current relationship or it was recently
[00:17:24] terminated, uh,
[00:17:27] so that is something we are witnessing and what actually
[00:17:30] concerns us, uh, we
[00:17:34] do this analysis every year. This analysis that you
[00:17:37] read, it was compiled by the Ministry of Interior
[00:17:39] in collaboration with members of our working group, so our
[00:17:43] femicide prevention group, and precisely a synergistic approach, I would say,
[00:17:46] and the need to conduct some
[00:17:50] analysis of perpetrators,
[00:17:52] victims, to see if it was
[00:17:56] about some risky
[00:17:59] factors that could have been seen or assessed
[00:18:02] in advance, and we see that many of them
[00:18:06] were. A high percentage indicated that these
[00:18:09] relationships, whether involving young people or
[00:18:13] older individuals, involved an announced
[00:18:16] breakup of the relationship or that the relationship had already ended.
[00:18:19] It was even looked at in terms of seven days, so either
[00:18:23] from the announcement or from the termination of the relationship until the violence occurred.
[00:18:27] We are witnessing a high percentage of
[00:18:31] impaired mental health,
[00:18:34] about twenty something percent.
[00:18:37] 26% suffered from some form
[00:18:41] of mental illness, 21% were addicted to
[00:18:44] narcotics, 12% were addicted to
[00:18:48] alcohol. We are talking about perpetrators, so
[00:18:51] this is something that we must consider from
[00:18:55] a sociological and societal
[00:18:58] phenomenon that we should address, because I would say
[00:19:02] after COVID, after online classes,
[00:19:06] after online communication, after the closed system that
[00:19:10] we had, there has been impaired health of citizens, both men and
[00:19:13] women, there has been increased violence,
[00:19:16] peer violence, suicide attempts
[00:19:19] and so on. Yes, those are the data for suicidal thoughts,
[00:19:22] that is, there is a large percentage of those who commit violence,
[00:19:26] only 75% increase in suicide
[00:19:29] among girls compared to boys. When we talk
[00:19:33] about weapons, it's perhaps important to emphasize - we are nearing the end of the show, excuse me for
[00:19:36] rushing you.
[00:19:39] 35% of them were committed with firearms,
[00:19:43] of which 80% were illegal. So that is
[00:19:47] something that law enforcement agencies must pay
[00:19:50] attention to, both in assessment and also with
[00:19:54] knives. Also, knives are quite often used, for which there are no
[00:19:57] estimates, for which there are no such protective measures.
[00:20:01] So, we started with Bosnia and Herzegovina, thank you for this data regarding Serbia and
[00:20:05] Croatia. We started with Bosnia and Herzegovina. To
[00:20:07] conclude, in this case, as we have already established,
[00:20:11] that series of omissions is very obvious. We found a dose of optimism
[00:20:14] in a way, even though the topic is terrible, of course, from Serbia and
[00:20:18] Croatia. Can we still end the show in such a way
[00:20:22] that we at least empower people, women who
[00:20:26] are, how to say, suffering violence, are afraid to report,
[00:20:30] to still trust, despite everything,
[00:20:32] the institutions.
[00:20:35] However pessimistic the data and all
[00:20:39] the reasons we point out may sound, we must somewhere say that
[00:20:42] by pointing out these problems, we are actually
[00:20:45] telling the system that it must adequately protect women and we are telling
[00:20:49] women that they should report violence, that
[00:20:53] we must all fight against it together as a society, mm, our
[00:20:57] contribution as media, our contribution as members of society is to actually
[00:21:01] to prevent comments in which, as my colleague stated,
[00:21:05] that it was most often the case in Serbia, also in Bosnia and Herzegovina, it justified
[00:21:09] in some way the act of murder, that women
[00:21:12] were labeled, that they were to blame for certain things. That unfortunately happened
[00:21:15] in the last case, because
[00:21:18] other reasons were questioned and it was questioned whether the perpetrator,
[00:21:22] that is, the murderer in this case, had a violent nature, whether he had been violent before,
[00:21:26] where even a lawyer in that case uttered such a sentence
[00:21:29] and that later led to an avalanche of other comments in the media, and we
[00:21:33] actually, with such reactions and an attempt to prevent such media
[00:21:37] appearances, want to tell the victims that society is indeed on
[00:21:40] their side, that we will clearly fight against social violence
[00:21:44] against them, and then also against, yes, femicide, the murder of women
[00:21:47] in that way, we must
[00:21:51] also show the correlation between domestic violence and the murder of women, where we have proven
[00:21:55] in some research we have conducted through analyses of judgments for
[00:21:58] domestic violence, that there is a clear link between committed
[00:22:02] domestic violence and subsequent murder, which we can actually
[00:22:05] send as a message to the system, to the institutions of the system, that if
[00:22:09] adequately, yes, we can prevent it. Thank you
[00:22:13] very much, we are at the end of the show, we have to conclude, I think the message is
[00:22:16] clear, so thank you very much for being a guest on this show, for
[00:22:20] discussing, I think, this really important topic. Thank you for watching us and
[00:22:23] a message to everyone who has a dilemma, fear or is in such a situation, that
[00:22:27] regardless of perhaps institutional failures in all countries
[00:22:30] of the region, react, report. We hope that such
[00:22:34] outcomes as happened last weekend in Sarajevo will not occur.
[00:22:37] Good night, stay with N1, we'll see you next Friday at the same
[00:22:40] time.
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[00:30:24] the day,
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