N1SRP — broadcast 20260917 130000 UTC 427 transcript segments Google Cloud Speech-to-Text API (Chirp) + Gemini 2.5 Flash Non-Thinking Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:00:00] Shopster, when you know what [00:00:04] you're saving for. OTP bank. [00:00:19] Good day, you are watching the 3 o'clock news. I am Milica Spasić, and here's what [00:00:23] we are highlighting [00:00:24] for you. [00:00:28] Chief Prosecutor satisfied with the verdict against former KLA leaders [00:00:31] from Pristina. [00:00:33] points out that the change is happening at Criticism in front of the Kosovo government building, reinforced police [00:00:35] forces due to the announced [00:00:37] protest. [00:00:40] Former chief of the Belgrade police, Veselin Milić, one of [00:00:44] the accused in the murder case at the restaurant in Senjak, [00:00:47] will be tried before the First Basic [00:00:50] Court. [00:00:53] Continuation of the campaign for October 25th. [00:00:56] Students back on bicycles, authorities in the drone factory, and [00:01:00] boxes in RIC discussion about [00:01:02] objections. [00:01:08] The day after the verdict was pronounced, Chief Prosecutor Kimberly [00:01:11] West welcomed the verdict against the former KLA leader Hashim [00:01:15] Thaçi, stating that it is important for the rule of law in Kosovo [00:01:19] and brings belated justice to victims. Our Sanja [00:01:23] Sovrlić followed the reactions after the verdict in The Hague. [00:01:25] International reactions to the verdict [00:01:27] against former KLA leaders, Hashim Thaçi, Kadri Veseli, [00:01:31] Jakup Krasniqi and Redžep Selimi [00:01:35] are diverse, from those [00:01:38] who say that the court's decision must be respected to those who [00:01:42] object to such a verdict. EU Commissioner for [00:01:45] Enlargement Marta Kos stated that the specialized chambers [00:01:48] of Kosovo are an independent and impartial body, and that their decisions must [00:01:52] be respected. She emphasized individual responsibility, justice for victims and [00:01:56] their families from all communities in Kosovo, as well as the need [00:02:00] to confront the past, heal wounds and [00:02:02] reconcile. The United States respect [00:02:06] the verdict and support the rule of law and the right of victims and their families to [00:02:10] justice, and call on all parties to respect the court's decision. [00:02:14] The French Ministry of Foreign Affairs also announced that it takes note [00:02:17] of the decision of the specialized chambers of Kosovo, [00:02:20] reiterating its support for the court in the fight against impunity, but [00:02:24] also its support for the independence of Kosovo and its [00:02:27] institutions. The Deputy Regional Director of Amnesty [00:02:30] International for Europe, Ester Major, said that the verdicts give [00:02:34] hope to thousands of war victims in Kosovo who have been waiting for justice for more than two decades, [00:02:38] and show that even high officials are not [00:02:41] above the law. She emphasized that the court confirmed that [00:02:45] no one, regardless of their rank or political reputation, is above [00:02:48] the law or immune from responsibility for serious [00:02:51] international criminal acts. Former [00:02:54] NATO general, Wesley Clark, told Albanian media that he was [00:02:58] shocked and angry about the verdict, saying that he had not seen evidence that [00:03:02] would, in his opinion, justify such a decision. [00:03:05] Let's recall that Clark testified as a defense witness [00:03:09] during the proceedings. Specialized Prosecutor [00:03:12] Kimberly West welcomed the verdict, stating that individuals [00:03:16] tones in real life, not just online? exploited wartime circumstances to commit serious crimes and that [00:03:19] the accountability of these individuals is important for the rule of law and [00:03:23] victims. She emphasized that the court confirmed that no one, regardless of their [00:03:27] rank or political reputation, is above the law. [00:03:30] Thaçi's lead lawyer, Pierre Richer Prosper, was shocked [00:03:34] by the verdict, calling it a wrong decision of justice and saying that [00:03:37] the court, in his view, had rewritten [00:03:40] history. He also said that the legal battle does not end here, and that the [00:03:43] defense will appeal. Appeals were also announced [00:03:46] by the defenders of the remaining three convicted [00:03:50] KLA leaders. The deadline for appeals is 30 days [00:03:54] from the written delivery of the verdict. Sanja [00:03:57] Sovrlić, N1, The Hague. [00:04:01] Increased police forces were observed this morning near the [00:04:04] Kosovo government building in Pristina, as a protest has been announced for today due to the verdict in [00:04:08] The Hague against four former high-ranking officers of the Kosovo [00:04:12] Liberation Army. Let's recall that Albanian demonstrators [00:04:14] again threw stones at the EULEX headquarters on the outskirts of Pristina last night. [00:04:18] Supporters of the former KLA and citizens carried Albanian flags of [00:04:22] that organization with the activation of [00:04:25] smoke bombs. As reported by [00:04:29] Kohaditor, a smaller part of the roof of the EULEX building also caught fire. [00:04:33] Death to traitors, freedom to liberators, was heard many [00:04:36] times among the demonstrators, several times as the demonstrators [00:04:40] spoke. Kosovo police announced today that two [00:04:43] people were [00:04:44] detained. [00:04:49] Fred Abrahams was a Human Rights Watch representative in [00:04:53] any new colors to Kosovo in the late 90s, he testified at the trial against Slobodan [00:04:56] Milošević, but also against Hashim Thaçi. He points out that [00:04:59] the former President of Kosovo could face more years in prison for [00:05:03] intimidating [00:05:04] witnesses. [00:05:07] The court found that these four individuals were part of a joint [00:05:11] criminal enterprise. Which means that they did not act alone, but [00:05:14] together. So, enough evidence was found that they were part of a structure [00:05:18] that ordered and carried out crimes and that this required [00:05:22] a certain degree of coordination, because there were [00:05:25] orders, there were detention facilities and in these [00:05:28] facilities crimes were committed, including those in Albania, [00:05:32] therefore the judges concluded in the verdict that this connection [00:05:35] was proven. Hashim Thaçi faces a second indictment, there is [00:05:38] an additional second proceeding for witness intimidation from [00:05:42] the center, he gave instructions to his co-accused on how to influence [00:05:46] witness testimonies, so, when we talk about the appeal, regardless of what [00:05:50] happens there in that other case [00:05:53] he has not yet been convicted, we will have to see what happens at that other [00:05:57] trial, but he could face additional years [00:06:00] in prison. [00:06:06] Former chief of the Belgrade police, Veselin Milić, against whom a higher [00:06:09] public prosecution filed an indictment in the Senjak murder case [00:06:13] just over two months ago, will be tried before the [00:06:16] First Basic Court. Ana Novaković brings us [00:06:20] this information. [00:06:22] That Veselin Milić will be tried before the First Basic [00:06:26] Court in Belgrade, was confirmed to me by the First Basic [00:06:30] Public Prosecutor's Office, and by that court. [00:06:33] Milić is charged with two criminal offenses, [00:06:36] failure to report a criminal offense of a perpetrator, and [00:06:40] falsification of an official document. In the case of the murder [00:06:43] of Aleksandar Nešović Baja in restaurant 27 in [00:06:47] Senjak, which happened on May 12. The indictment [00:06:51] against the former head of the Belgrade police was filed by the Higher Public [00:06:55] Prosecutor's Office in Belgrade in July this year. By the way, the day [00:06:58] after Milić was released from detention, the Nova [00:07:02] portal announced that the case against Milić was forwarded to the First Basic [00:07:05] Prosecutor's Office. The Higher Prosecutor's Office which led the investigation in the Senjak [00:07:09] case, immediately denied it, but two months [00:07:12] later, those logical assumptions turned out to be [00:07:16] true. The First Basic Prosecutor's Office confirmed to N1 that it [00:07:19] accepted the indictment of the Higher Prosecutor's Office in [00:07:23] Belgrade for representation. Also, the First Basic Court informed us [00:07:26] that the procedure is in the phase of examining the indictment by [00:07:29] an individual judge, as well as in the phase of obtaining [00:07:33] the necessary documentation that was proposed as evidence. When [00:07:37] that is finished, the trial will be scheduled. The case of the murder [00:07:40] of Aleksandar Nešović in Senjak [00:07:43] involved the cover-up of a murder in an elite restaurant, the disappearance of a body, [00:07:46] the discovery of the body in a barrel after seven days of searching, [00:07:50] the involvement of police officers, one of whom was [00:07:53] the head of the Belgrade police. From the start, [00:07:56] the investigation was full of deficiencies. The Higher Public [00:07:59] Prosecutor's Office published contradictory and untrue claims [00:08:03] in statements that were almost daily. As [00:08:06] the direct perpetrator of the murder of Aleksandar Nešović, in [00:08:09] Senjak, Saša Vuković, better known as Boske, was identified. He [00:08:13] has been in custody since May 14 this year. Nešović's body [00:08:16] was found in a barrel buried near [00:08:20] Jarkovačko lake not far from Inđija, [00:08:24] after seven days of intensive searching. Ana [00:08:28] Novaković, N1, [00:08:29] Belgrade. [00:08:37] The student movement launched the cycling [00:08:40] action "Guardians of the Constitution" which they will continue in the coming days [00:08:43] across Serbia with the message that the constitution must apply [00:08:46] equally to everyone everywhere, that's why the Constitution travels [00:08:49] through Serbia from Belgrade to Vojvodina, from Belgrade to the south of Serbia through [00:08:53] cities where citizens will meet, talk, leave [00:08:57] their signatures, said the students who set off on bicycles [00:09:00] from Republic Square in Belgrade, carrying copies of the constitution through cities and [00:09:04] university centers covered by the campaign route. One [00:09:08] group went towards Pančevo, and the other towards Obrenovac, the final destination is [00:09:11] Kragujevac. [00:09:16] We have the opportunity during these 10 days that we will be cycling [00:09:20] to pass through almost all places in Serbia to cover as [00:09:23] much of this area as possible, so that as [00:09:27] many citizens as possible hear about us, but not just hear, but [00:09:31] see us, so they can greet us, [00:09:34] so they can get hope in the sense that [00:09:38] they see that we really exist, that we are not just some kids [00:09:41] from... Instagram, some kids from TV and so on, but [00:09:45] we are really people here, students who are [00:09:48] ready to make changes in this country. Why Kragujevac? [00:09:52] Because the first Serbian constitution was adopted there, we as guardians [00:09:55] of the constitution, as this cycling [00:09:58] tour itself is called, felt that [00:10:01] it was the best place, so to speak, for that symbolic [00:10:04] big gathering, because, just as in [00:10:07] every legal state, the constitution should be respected, [00:10:11] and all citizens should be enabled to truly have [00:10:14] some basic and elementary rights which, unfortunately, under [00:10:18] this government, are constantly violated, we believe the constitution [00:10:21] should truly be something that uh, what is... "written in it should be [00:10:25] available to all citizens of that [00:10:27] country." Students blocking the University of [00:10:31] Belgrade announced last night that police officers from the economic [00:10:35] crime sector had come to their warehouse where promotional [00:10:38] material for future actions is stored. They claim that the police did not have [00:10:41] a warrant for it and entered private property. [00:10:44] The timely reaction of lawyers, students and citizens once again [00:10:48] showed that we will not give up, that they cannot [00:10:51] scare us with such cheap intimidation attempts, they will not [00:10:54] even... ruffle us, the students stated on the social network [00:10:57] Instagram. [00:11:01] The Republic Election Commission discussed the objections filed [00:11:04] regarding the announcement of the Serbian Progressive Party's list. One of [00:11:08] the objections was filed by the director of the Bureau of Social Research, Zoran Gavrilović, in his capacity as [00:11:11] a voter. As he stated, the SNS list bears a name that [00:11:15] includes the name of the current president, Aleksandar Vučić, who is first on that [00:11:18] list and still holds a public office. Gavrilović therefore [00:11:22] assessed that the RIC declared that list invalid. [00:11:25] Identical objections were filed by three other voters, all [00:11:28] objections were rejected as [00:11:30] unfounded. [00:11:33] And in the midst of the election campaign, the President of Serbia, Aleksandar Vučić, who is the list leader [00:11:37] of the Progressives in the upcoming elections, opened a factory for [00:11:40] assembling Israeli-made drones that will employ about [00:11:44] a hundred workers to produce, as he said, for the Serbian army and [00:11:48] for the armies of other countries, he stated that due to confidentiality [00:11:51] he did not invite journalists to visit the factory, but he immortalized [00:11:55] the visit on Instagram. Let's recall, the opposition and some experts [00:11:58] criticized the announcement of the factory's opening with claims that there are many [00:12:02] unanswered questions regarding this project, to which the government has not provided [00:12:06] answers. [00:12:09] Activists of the Serbian Progressive Party set up a temporary audiovisual [00:12:12] container in the square near the fountain in the center of Kragujevac [00:12:15] with the inscription "Blockade Serbia, let [00:12:19] us never forget." The container was set up overnight, and since [00:12:23] this morning, police have been present near this [00:12:26] object. Besides violence and chaos, they [00:12:29] offer nothing, that all that the blockaders can [00:12:32] offer is in this black box, and that's why they [00:12:36] are like this black box, no one [00:12:40] knows what is inside, but [00:12:43] when it opens, violence [00:12:46] and chaos come out, because they actually have [00:12:49] nothing else, because they have nothing else to offer, there is no plan, [00:12:53] no program. You saw those 11 points they [00:12:57] presented some time ago and of those 11 points, [00:13:00] the largest part refers to this, further persecution, [00:13:04] further harassment, only now they would include state bodies in that harassment and [00:13:07] persecution to persecute us legally and not illegally as they have done so [00:13:11] far, meaning chasing us on the streets, only not now at their own expense, [00:13:14] but at the expense of all of you taxpayers, that's roughly their [00:13:17] idea. [00:13:20] The leader of the European Serbia list and president of the Serbia Center party [00:13:23] Zdravko Ponoš said that he does not see more opposition lists [00:13:27] as an obstacle to their participation in the elections, adding that [00:13:31] expectations that the student list itself would bring about a change of government without [00:13:34] the opposition are unrealistic. [00:13:37] The question arises of a referendum atmosphere, why it exists [00:13:41] or doesn't exist, whether we are destroying it or not destroying it, the referendum [00:13:44] atmosphere died at birth, we have already given it [00:13:47] a year of commemoration, meaning the moment you don't see that it's a referendum [00:13:51] atmosphere, well, unfortunately not in the sense that we have one opposition [00:13:55] political actor, that would be a referendum atmosphere, so an attempt [00:13:59] to create a referendum, this is now agitation [00:14:02] for unanimity that some people are doing, I have never been for unanimity and I am not [00:14:05] now, I am for us to get rid of this government and preserve [00:14:09] the multi-party system in Serbia, [00:14:12] a referendum atmosphere could have been created last [00:14:15] year when the student list decided that it was no longer [00:14:18] enough, or when the students said, we can no longer wait for [00:14:21] this and such a government to resolve our demands, that obviously won't [00:14:25] happen, we must enter politics and that was a big step forward, important [00:14:29] and good, but at the same time they said they would not cooperate with opposition parties, [00:14:33] followed by the new DSS saying that it would not cooperate with those who are for Serbia's entry [00:14:36] into the European Union, from that moment on we no longer have a referendum [00:14:40] atmosphere. [00:14:43] And the president of the New Democratic Party of Serbia and member of the Nada coalition, Miloš [00:14:47] Jovanović, assessed that this election campaign will be worse than [00:14:50] all previous ones when it comes to conditions and media pluralism. [00:14:55] The opposition public itself, created by two television stations, [00:14:58] uncritically accepted the students' request for elections without changing [00:15:02] the conditions, and now they are before us, we approach them with [00:15:05] a clear ideology and political vision as the only ones from the right [00:15:09] side of the political spectrum, Jovanović told the weekly Nin, adding that [00:15:12] the country's relationship with the European Union is decisive because the relationship [00:15:16] with everything else depends on it, and that regarding that issue, as he stated, [00:15:20] everyone must [00:15:20] make a decision. [00:15:30] Adria News Network confirmed that Mihailo Jovićević, editor-in-chief [00:15:34] of the Nova RS portal, has left his position [00:15:38] by mutual agreement. The former deputy editor-in-chief, [00:15:41] Ratko Femić, will lead the editorial staff in the coming period, stated the executive [00:15:45] director for informational program of ANN, Brand Sadler. My [00:15:48] departure from the Nova RS portal was mutually agreed with [00:15:51] ANN, I wish the Nova RS editorial staff continued successful work and [00:15:55] I am convinced that its journalists will continue to work professionally and [00:15:59] bravely, Jovićević stated. The Union of the Portal and Newspapers Nova [00:16:02] of the weekly Radar expressed dissatisfaction and apprehension due to [00:16:06] the management's decision to... it says in the statement, the union [00:16:11] a time when the website is achieving its best results since [00:16:14] its establishment. [00:16:18] Branislav Klanšček, former president of the RTS Board of Directors, [00:16:21] has been appointed acting director of the public enterprise Službeni [00:16:25] Glasnik Do. Klanšček replaced Mladen Šarčević, former [00:16:29] Minister of Education, in this position. The Supervisory [00:16:32] Board of the Public Enterprise Službeni Glasnik Belgrade made a change at the head [00:16:36] of this company at its session yesterday. Instead of the previous [00:16:39] acting director Mladen Šarčević, a new acting [00:16:43] director, Branislav Klanšček, was appointed, Službeni Glasnik announced. [00:16:47] Klanšček held the position of chairman of the RTS Board of Directors until July this year, when his [00:16:50] five-year mandate [00:16:53] expired. [00:16:56] We have now reached the weather forecast, the weather this Thursday is sunny, warm, with [00:17:00] temperatures up to 30°. And here are the forecast temperatures for the coming [00:17:04] days. 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Will the verdict of [00:24:33] a total of 81 years in prison for war [00:24:36] crimes, against four leaders of the Kosovo Liberation [00:24:39] Army, result in what we saw yesterday as [00:24:43] reactions, the belief of the majority of society and the political elite [00:24:47] of Kosovo that they are unjust victims, just as... any other [00:24:50] verdict against any individual from the political or [00:24:54] military leadership of our country, and especially against Ratko Mladić, influenced [00:24:58] the establishment of the view that everyone is against Serbs, that everyone [00:25:01] hates us. Why have the verdicts of international domestic courts [00:25:05] concerning war crimes, behind which thousands [00:25:09] of documents remain, which are an incredible picture of what [00:25:12] human beings are capable of to harm other human [00:25:15] beings, not at all changed the ingrained regional [00:25:19] positions in relation to their pasts? About this, [00:25:22] among other things, I am talking with Professor of the University of [00:25:26] Reading, Professor of International Law Marko [00:25:29] Milanović, good morning and good morning and thank you for being here [00:25:32] I would like to start, let's start from that [00:25:36] context, but in a narrower sense of the word, did this [00:25:39] verdict in essence bring [00:25:43] the black and white picture of relations or [00:25:47] the perception of the citizens of Kosovo regarding [00:25:50] their past, that is, regarding the role [00:25:53] of the Kosovo Liberation Army, that is, individuals in it? Well, I'm afraid [00:25:57] not, I mean, the judicial panel was completely clear at the very beginning [00:26:01] of the verdict when it said that the verdict does not deal with [00:26:05] the justness of the KLA's fight against Serbia [00:26:08] in some general sense, but that it [00:26:11] only deals with concrete crimes that the accused committed, [00:26:14] that is, uh, uh, unlawful detention, [00:26:18] abuse, and murder of hundreds of people. The fact that the court [00:26:21] established this beyond a reasonable doubt, doubts, it will not [00:26:24] disturb the attitudes that people in Kosovo [00:26:28] have adopted on all those issues, where they see all of it in a very absolute [00:26:31] way. and they reject any kind of [00:26:35] fact-finding that does not correspond to their prejudices, so what [00:26:39] would you say, here's another question: does this [00:26:42] verdict, contextually speaking, have [00:26:45] greater political, judicial, [00:26:49] righteous social significance? Well, I think these things [00:26:52] are not in competition, so the political significance or social [00:26:56] significance of that verdict depends on what other social actors do with it. [00:26:59] For example, if you were to take a verdict [00:27:03] and have an educational program in schools about the facts established [00:27:06] in that verdict, then that verdict [00:27:09] would have social significance. If all social elites, political, [00:27:13] media, educational, unite against such [00:27:16] a verdict, it will be completely marginalized. I mean, that's the complete [00:27:19] experience of all international courts from Nuremberg to today, yes, because [00:27:23] these verdicts in any country in the region, in our [00:27:26] country, in Bosnia, in Croatia, now we have [00:27:29] examples in Kosovo, are actually viewed [00:27:33] only through that political context, where people who are convicted in [00:27:36] international or domestic courts in this case [00:27:40] are essentially even more popular than they were [00:27:43] before that verdict. Thaçi has more support now than when he was [00:27:47] president or prime minister. So they have, meaning that glorification of the war [00:27:51] criminal as actually another victim, [00:27:54] so the fact that the war criminal was prosecuted [00:27:57] actually makes him a victim, and no one unpacks, for example, [00:28:01] what the judge read yesterday, [00:28:04] what essentially happened to each individual, [00:28:08] in what conditions they were, where they defecated, how they were [00:28:11] beaten, what injuries they had, exactly, [00:28:15] the victim herself becomes completely irrelevant, so the only thing that [00:28:18] matters is the nation or the general narrative about [00:28:22] the justness of the struggle. Now, let's just talk about [00:28:25] the verdict itself, so we have a joint criminal [00:28:29] enterprise there is no individual [00:28:32] responsibility. What does that mean, does it [00:28:36] even matter? So, a joint [00:28:40] criminal enterprise is a form of [00:28:42] responsibility where you can convict some highly [00:28:46] ranked people for criminal acts that [00:28:50] were directly committed by people far down [00:28:53] that chain of command, meaning some ordinary guards in [00:28:57] some camp, so you can convict highly ranked people [00:29:00] on the basis of having actually had [00:29:04] a plan, a common intention to commit certain criminal [00:29:07] acts. In this particular case, the court said, Thaçi, [00:29:11] Krasniqi and so on, they shared that common [00:29:14] intention of abusing, arresting and killing [00:29:18] political opponents of the KLA. Let's just stop here [00:29:22] to make an analogy, is it similar, and it's also about [00:29:25] Kosovo, as in the case of Nikola Šainović and [00:29:28] Pavković, where that joint [00:29:32] or common criminal enterprise was also established? [00:29:35] General Lazarević, for example, was not included in that in the end, that's [00:29:39] right, it's exactly the same form of responsibility. So, in that specific case before the Hague [00:29:42] Tribunal, Šainović and others, which actually deals with [00:29:46] the crimes of Serbian forces in Kosovo, [00:29:49] uh, the Tribunal, the Hague Tribunal found that there was a treacherous criminal [00:29:53] enterprise of ethnic cleansing of Kosovo [00:29:56] of the Albanian population, so that was that joint criminal enterprise in [00:30:00] which three of the accused [00:30:03] were direct participants, the other three were accomplices. Now, when we talk about [00:30:06] the length of the sentence, so we have two times 25 years [00:30:10] in prison for for [00:30:12] Hashim, for Hashim Thaçi and Jakup Krasniqi, [00:30:16] we have 18 and 13 years [00:30:19] for Kadri Veseli and Rexhep Selimi, [00:30:22] uh, the debate immediately opened up whether that is a lot or a little. For [00:30:26] Kosovar society, it is a lot, here the [00:30:29] comments are that it is little, even uh... a parallel with Banjska [00:30:33] has been drawn, I think Ms. Trajković was the first, I diminish, I don't [00:30:36] want to disavow [00:30:39] uh her personal feelings about what is happening [00:30:42] uh in the context of Kosovo and the victims, she says how [00:30:46] is it possible that for there to be [00:30:50] life imprisonment for four dead and here for so many dead [00:30:53] and and [00:30:57] unlawfully detained and tortured only 20.