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[00:00:00] and execute orders that come down from the top of the party,
[00:00:04] blackmailing people, organizing joint visits to rallies and this
[00:00:08] time to collect signatures, for example, people from Infostan called us
[00:00:11] a couple of days ago who sent us photos that people
[00:00:15] during working
[00:00:16] behavior for hours were organized for and organized to go
[00:00:20] habit, your morning in to a location here in Vračar, in order to give
[00:00:23] a signature for uh, the list
[00:00:26] of the ruling party, so we have it documented.
[00:00:30] photos, who are the people, who are the people who organized them, who
[00:00:33] forced them to do it, I would like to tell the people on this occasion, first
[00:00:37] I would like to thank all the people who have the courage
[00:00:40] to come forward and report the oppressors, uh, to
[00:00:44] encourage them to, in the upcoming elections, even if they gave their signature
[00:00:47] uh, to save their job, uh,
[00:00:51] to give their vote to the student list, list number three,
[00:00:54] thank you very much Nikola, this was Nikola Stanković from
[00:00:57] the "Kreni-Promeni" movement. With his last answer,
[00:01:01] he gave me a cue. In this show
[00:01:04] we also reported last week that workers of the public
[00:01:08] utility company "Gradska čistoća" exactly as he said,
[00:01:11] organized trips to Mala Mokri Lug to
[00:01:14] sign support for the list, the election list
[00:01:17] of the Serbian Progressive Party. All in all, we could hear
[00:01:21] how it looks in practice, how voters are evaluated,
[00:01:25] more precisely employees in public, we have now seen in
[00:01:28] private companies. The "Kreni-Promeni" movement continues to
[00:01:32] document this and, as they say, appeals to citizens to
[00:01:36] report it under the sign of anonymity,
[00:01:38] of course.
[00:01:41] Thank you Miloš, you heard our reporter Miloš
[00:01:44] Zekić live. In the daily analysis, I will talk to Professor Ivan Stanović from the Faculty
[00:01:55] is not new that voters are blackmailed
[00:01:58] before the elections. How should
[00:02:01] we look at that? Well, we should look at it in several
[00:02:04] ways. One is that the government does not
[00:02:08] allow people the right to choose and forces people, that is, blackmails
[00:02:11] them, blackmails people for a crust of bread to vote for
[00:02:15] them, that is one of the most unusual
[00:02:18] coalitions that exist. So, on the one hand, you have, well, people who are employed, not
[00:02:22] so much, but people who are social cases whom the government also blackmails, people who
[00:02:25] are on the verge of existence who are thus forced to be in
[00:02:30] "alliance with the richest layer of society that this
[00:02:34] country has ever had, because their wealth has become so great that these people from
[00:02:37] the first group cannot comprehend how rich these people who are blackmailing them are. So that's one
[00:02:41] thing. Second thing, we know that and
[00:02:45] we must resist it, so we need to explain to these people
[00:02:48] what mechanisms they can use
[00:02:51] to avoid voting for such
[00:02:54] such principals or rulers. So everyone should know
[00:02:58] that even if they have to photograph the ballot and so on, that is also illegal,
[00:03:01] okay, but if they are already doing that, they can circle what they were told, but
[00:03:05] after that, cross it out and circle what they actually want, and that
[00:03:09] vote is legal, legitimate, it will not
[00:03:11] contribute to their oppressors, to put it that way. So
[00:03:15] that's one side with that population, but what's
[00:03:18] important is that we who are fighting against it and who
[00:03:22] want freedom for this society and for our children
[00:03:26] should in some way
[00:03:29] motivate people from our side to go to those elections to
[00:03:32] create a counterweight to all that. So we need to motivate people
[00:03:37] to participate in the campaign, to go to the elections, even
[00:03:40] if they were not involved until
[00:03:43] now, if they don't follow independent media, if they are not on social networks, we need
[00:03:47] to somehow help them to get involved so that we can free
[00:03:51] both ourselves and these people whom the regime is thus
[00:03:54] blackmailing, so that we can finally breathe freely and live in a free country.
[00:03:58] How difficult it is... these blackmails in smaller communities. We saw
[00:04:02] what the local elections looked like last year in
[00:04:05] 10 or more than 10 municipalities, what those
[00:04:09] pressures looked like, the elections themselves. How
[00:04:12] to encourage people if they are afraid, if someone
[00:04:16] is threatening them, if they are afraid that they will lose their job. I think that
[00:04:20] it is, I mean, first of all, in smaller communities
[00:04:23] it is horror. So in smaller communities in a large
[00:04:27] number of smaller places in Serbia the system is designed in such a way
[00:04:30] that there is a large public or state enterprise that employs
[00:04:34] a significant number of people there, through which the regime then blackmails
[00:04:38] the entire town, the entire local self-government, and
[00:04:41] so on. So it is a very difficult situation,
[00:04:44] uh, and the fears are great, that is completely, that is completely
[00:04:47] understandable and justified, but we must find a way
[00:04:51] to help those people to fight against it. I think that what
[00:04:55] gives the most hope
[00:04:58] is that these are the elections when their suffering
[00:05:02] will end, if they now gather the courage to
[00:05:05] resist this. They don't have to resist today, tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, but at the polling station
[00:05:09] they can, they should do that. We all hope that from October
[00:05:13] 26th their suffering will end. Will abstainers be the ones who
[00:05:17] will go to the polls this year, those who
[00:05:20] for years, when we talk about election cycles, said, I have
[00:05:24] no one to vote for, everyone is the same? Do you think this
[00:05:28] election cycle will be different in that regard? This
[00:05:32] election cycle will be completely different in that regard. We see that in
[00:05:35] different ways. The first and main, most important,
[00:05:39] most emotional are the student, popular
[00:05:42] protests, rebellion, pilgrimages that we have been watching for the
[00:05:45] last two years. So now
[00:05:48] students have started again, that bicycle tour across Serbia.
[00:05:52] Yesterday the program was presented in Vojvodina,
[00:05:56] it will be presented in the rest of Serbia where people will come out, as they say,
[00:05:59] to present all that. We see that in those
[00:06:03] pictures from rallies. For some
[00:06:06] reason the regime's
[00:06:09] regime's principals forced their members
[00:06:12] to set up stands next to student stands, and you see that difference, you see how
[00:06:16] people, old, young, male,
[00:06:20] female, that is, everyone gathers next to student stands, while at SNS
[00:06:24] stands there is no one. And you saw, that is, when people
[00:06:27] went around Serbia those pilgrimages for protests in
[00:06:31] Novi Sad, in Kragujevac, in Niš, in Novi Pazar, and
[00:06:34] the tour to Strasbourg and so on. That is, the people gather around
[00:06:38] the students. So remember the first time on the road to Novi Sad when
[00:06:41] mothers from Srem brought out bread, brought out everything
[00:06:45] they had from home and crying welcomed students like
[00:06:48] like liberators after the First
[00:06:51] World War. So in that sense we see that the
[00:06:54] people have risen and we have never had
[00:06:57] such a massive series of massive rallies in our history.
[00:07:01] Secondly, we see through research that people finally say I have
[00:07:05] someone to vote for, not against someone,
[00:07:09] against, I want to vote for. Now they are
[00:07:12] ready to say I have someone to vote for to call
[00:07:16] others to vote for the student list,
[00:07:19] at the same time this regime and its
[00:07:23] members have become so fed up with them that people
[00:07:26] are willing to vote for a stone cabbage rather
[00:07:28] than for for for representatives
[00:07:31] of the regime, especially now given that these lists for the elections
[00:07:35] have been released and that we see that on
[00:07:38] the regime's list it's like a list of residents of Cacilanda.
[00:07:42] So, really, a decent person has no business voting for such a
[00:07:46] list. I will remind you when we talk about about that one
[00:07:50] kind of association, that
[00:07:53] assemblies also arose somehow
[00:07:55] during these previous two years, that is, people started to
[00:07:59] unite, not only in Belgrade, in almost all
[00:08:03] municipalities, but also throughout Serbia. How crucial will the
[00:08:07] role of assemblies be in preserving the election
[00:08:10] process? Well... assemblies are, yes, this
[00:08:14] is, yes, you mentioned that well, so assemblies were formed
[00:08:18] when students said, what is stopping you from doing what we are doing,
[00:08:21] organize yourselves, agree, do something. I am paraphrasing
[00:08:25] and simplifying, but essentially that's how it is, and people said, well, yes, let's do that, and
[00:08:29] they organized assemblies and held actions, collected donations, helped with
[00:08:32] collecting signatures, they will be engaged
[00:08:35] in guarding the election results,
[00:08:38] controlling and so on, and I think that is...
[00:08:42] and as many people as possible should get involved in such activities, so
[00:08:46] if I can, I will join the assembly, if I can't
[00:08:49] I will see how to encourage people around
[00:08:52] me, to post in Viber groups, to share
[00:08:56] a message, information, let's go there to collect signatures,
[00:09:00] here the support process and so on. That is important because
[00:09:04] I think that's now a matter of biology that we use in
[00:09:07] social sciences. So in our brains there are neurons for
[00:09:11] behavior. Or they call them mirror neurons. So
[00:09:15] when we see someone doing something, there's a good chance that we
[00:09:45] that everything we do is in favor
[00:09:48] of the victory of anti-regime forces, that is, in this
[00:09:52] case, the student movement and the student list, to
[00:09:55] inform everyone around us about it, so that everyone sees that we are participating,
[00:09:59] and the more people do it, then new ones join.
[00:10:03] So you saw now when the signatures were collected
[00:10:07] for the election list, for
[00:10:10] the parliamentary elections. So... It was a matter
[00:10:14] of attitude to come there and stand
[00:10:17] in that line. People did it happily, satisfied and
[00:10:20] proud, even when it became clear that the signatures were collected during the first
[00:10:24] day. "People stayed, as long as
[00:10:27] there was a chance to sign, and even when the chance to sign was gone, they stayed there
[00:10:31] because they thought it was important. And so it sends a picture of
[00:10:34] strength, of unity towards a just
[00:10:38] goal. That should be done every day in every aspect.
[00:10:42] Before us, that is, before you is the beginning
[00:10:45] of the academic year. Stories have appeared,
[00:10:48] no, not stories, but some plenums have discussed
[00:10:52] whether they would perhaps go through
[00:10:56] blockades. How do you view that and how do you see what
[00:11:00] the next academic year will look like? Perhaps you can comment on
[00:11:03] what is happening to colleagues from the Faculty of Philosophy
[00:11:07] in Niš who have not received salaries, who
[00:11:11] were eventually annexed by the government, or rather the ministry,
[00:11:14] to the Faculty of Serbian Studies, even though the university's statute did not
[00:11:18] allow it. There are several questions here. Now if I
[00:11:22] get lost, you can remind me what I missed. No, so regarding
[00:11:25] blockades, our students tell us that they are not thinking
[00:11:29] about that. So that is not currently, as far as I understand, the
[00:11:32] subject of their
[00:11:35] concern. So on the one hand, people are involved in studies, on the other hand,
[00:11:38] in the student movement and
[00:11:41] these extracurricular activities, so I think they have their hands full
[00:11:45] in that regard, and I would view all the rest
[00:11:48] through the prism of the upcoming culmination of the fight against
[00:11:51] this regime and the elections that are scheduled for October 25th.
[00:11:55] So, many people have suffered
[00:11:59] a lot under this regime during these 15 years,
[00:12:03] especially in the last two years since the canopy fell
[00:12:06] in broad daylight in peacetime conditions, killing 160 people.
[00:12:10] And so whoever rebelled, whoever said that
[00:12:14] it was not right, was the subject of some kind of retribution which
[00:12:17] was more or less successful, and
[00:12:20] unfortunately that is how it is. I talked about the fact that teachers were the first to be targeted.
[00:12:24] So many, I'm not going to list them again, I don't want to forget
[00:12:27] anyone, so teachers, academic community,
[00:12:30] lawyers, uh,
[00:12:34] media, pharmacists in another context, but
[00:12:37] whoever rebelled, that is, got into trouble.
[00:12:40] So what the regime
[00:12:43] has left, besides that is that
[00:12:46] bare force in conjunction with crime to
[00:12:49] make people's lives miserable as long as they
[00:12:52] can still do it. So they have nothing else to offer.
[00:12:55] In that sense, I should look at all this. So the problem
[00:12:59] is, of course, in Novi Sad that the faculty is split, that the state is making
[00:13:03] decisions of the university against all rules
[00:13:12] Faculty of Serbian Studies, that's right. When we say Novi Sad, we can talk
[00:13:16] about the Faculty of Philosophy there too, where professors lost their jobs, that's right.
[00:13:20] Professor Kleud, Professor Mihić, we can talk about
[00:13:23] Jovina Gymnasium. which was destroyed, the oldest school
[00:13:26] in the country. In Belgrade, the Fifth Belgrade Gymnasium and so
[00:13:30] on. So I don't want to list them so that we don't unfairly
[00:13:34] forget anyone. So, the whole point is that everything, everything comes back
[00:13:37] to the culmination of this dissatisfaction that will be broken
[00:13:40] by that election victory on October
[00:13:44] 15th, October 25th. So I think that all the activities we have,
[00:13:47] all the people who care about freedom
[00:13:51] in this country should be directed towards that. That's where we come back
[00:13:55] to the previous story, how to help each other to involve as
[00:13:58] many people as possible in the campaign itself, so that on election
[00:14:02] day they come out to vote, to defend the election will and so
[00:14:05] on. How do you see at this moment
[00:14:07] uh the movement, that is, the parties, that is, the lists that were
[00:14:11] declared by the Republic Election Commission, uh,
[00:14:14] how are things developing when we talk about that, about the campaign itself? We talked
[00:14:18] a lot, now about students through, you know,
[00:14:21] the student list and the activities they have. How do
[00:14:25] others behave in this election race? Uh, in
[00:14:29] one word, predictably. So we have that predictable
[00:14:32] behavior. So, on the one hand, uh,
[00:14:35] all those who are against the regime, more or
[00:14:39] less, stand with the student list, because that is the
[00:14:42] most rational way to win those elections
[00:14:45] and to overthrow the regime. So all other
[00:14:49] stories which are otherwise legitimate, all other calculations fall by the wayside.
[00:14:53] So what's important, we don't live in Denmark
[00:14:56] or some country
[00:14:59] of consolidated democracy, we live in a regime
[00:15:02] of tyranny, to which, it is clear, the people who lead our struggle,
[00:15:06] the student movement, have decided that this struggle will take place at the polls.
[00:15:10] That battle is scheduled for October
[00:15:12] 25th. In that sense,
[00:15:16] so my colleagues from the faculty have been explaining in recent days how
[00:15:19] the D'Hondt system of mandate allocation works and so on.
[00:15:23] So the system favors the option that is
[00:15:26] the strongest, towards it the
[00:15:30] largest number of mandates is transferred from those who may not
[00:15:34] cross the threshold, and therefore it is not at all rational to go to the polls if you are against
[00:15:37] the regime. It is not rational to go to the polls if there is a chance that you will not cross the threshold,
[00:15:41] and everyone has recognized that, more or less. Some didn't count on it at all,
[00:15:45] some did, but so that's completely obvious on the one hand.
[00:15:48] On the other hand, members of the regime, you see that everything is falling apart
[00:15:51] among them because they are no longer sure
[00:15:55] about their positions on October 26th. How do
[00:15:59] you view the fact that the man who is the president of this country
[00:16:02] is the list leader of the Serbian Progressive
[00:16:06] Party? Is that constitutional? Well, that's
[00:16:09] just one more in a series of things that are unconstitutional that they are doing, but I
[00:16:13] would again, that is, again appeal not to deal
[00:16:16] with that. So you and your viewers know that for
[00:16:20] him and his people, neither human nor divine laws apply
[00:16:24] in this country, if they are not in their favor. They will say everything is according to the law, if they need to
[00:16:28] arrest and beat their opponents, but when they do something, for them
[00:16:31] it is law. Yes, I remembered the example of Croatia. The Constitutional
[00:16:34] Court did not allow Milanović. The Constitutional Court did not
[00:16:37] allow Milanović. In Romania, the elections were annulled when
[00:16:40] when when they realized one of the candidates was a Russian agent, just
[00:16:44] like this Nestorović appeared now, who should not
[00:16:48] be allowed to run. These people who submitted lists
[00:16:51] for SNS and SPS with that many
[00:16:55] signatures, it is unknown where, when, who collected them. We see from those reports that they were
[00:16:58] verified in the municipality, so that is also probably illegal. So all that
[00:17:02] is known to people. But what is the focus now for us, I
[00:17:06] think, and for the viewers, and for everyone who is against all that, is what
[00:17:10] else can we do to help all that to end
[00:17:13] on October 25th? That is the main, main topic
[00:17:17] and the main question that we need to think about. Everything is clear to us, what
[00:17:21] they did and what they will do,
[00:23:37] has initiated preliminary proceedings against two minors for a case of sexual
[00:23:41] harassment at a school in Mrčajevci. The same prosecutor's office
[00:23:44] only a few days earlier claimed that the minor in the school was neither
[00:23:48] raped nor abused. Three
[00:23:50] months after Mrčajevci rose up over the case of sexual
[00:23:53] harassment of a peer in the elementary school Tatomir Anđelić,
[00:23:57] the boy, victim of violence, attends classes,
[00:24:00] the suspects for the attack follow classes from home. We are
[00:24:03] talking about this with architect Ksenija Đorđević, who is on the
[00:24:14] as someone who is an architect and who is on
[00:24:18] this student list, are talking about this case that I
[00:24:21] just announced. You went to
[00:24:25] Mrčajevci the day before yesterday, what was the reason for you to go there in
[00:24:29] your capacity as a citizen? Yes, I went to Mrčajevci as a concerned
[00:24:32] citizen to simply ask the competent institutions
[00:24:36] for information, given that
[00:24:39] I saw a video where the abused boy
[00:24:42] gives information about what happened to him at school.
[00:24:46] It arrived at the same time as my brother sent me a video of my brother...
[00:24:50] who is starting first grade. I thought, well,
[00:24:53] is it possible that something like this is happening, is it possible that
[00:24:57] if something like that, God forbid, happens to my nephew, it will be
[00:25:01] qualified as some kind of inappropriate behavior, what
[00:25:04] I heard in that video really
[00:25:08] upset me. I, as a concerned citizen,
[00:25:11] went to the competent institutions to get
[00:25:14] information, to tell us what happened there. When you say
[00:25:18] competent institutions, you go to the Higher Public Prosecutor's Office in
[00:25:22] Čačak, which is currently handling this case. What was that
[00:25:26] meeting like, or rather, your visit to the prosecutor's office itself? Yes,
[00:25:29] I went to the Higher Public Prosecutor's Office in Čačak, and
[00:25:33] I was received by the chief public prosecutor, Jasmina
[00:25:36] Lazović. Uh and uh
[00:25:40] during that meeting, an official
[00:25:43] note was made. As a concerned citizen, I asked
[00:25:47] if all minors were... interviewed
[00:25:50] in the presence of a parent or guardian.
[00:25:53] I received an answer that they were,
[00:25:56] those whose parents were available, that is
[00:26:00] still unclear to me, but of course, this will be
[00:26:03] determined further in the procedure, I believe. Uh,
[00:26:07] my second question was
[00:26:10] uh, to simply explain to me how
[00:26:14] initially that act was qualified as inappropriate
[00:26:18] the purpose of
[00:26:22] exhibitionism, uh, then
[00:26:25] after about a month or two, uh
[00:26:28] it was qualified as a certain uh sexual uh
[00:26:32] harassment, uh.
[00:26:35] The prosecutor said that it is simply part of the process
[00:26:39] and that this qualification followed
[00:26:42] as a logical sequence of events and
[00:26:45] that it was not a consequence of public
[00:26:49] and media pressure that that case is now
[00:26:53] in the prosecutor's office
[00:26:56] and the criminal court for
[00:26:59] minors. My third and most important
[00:27:02] question was
[00:27:05] we have information that
[00:27:08] there is a video
[00:27:12] recording of that event that
[00:27:15] was uh filmed by a minor participant in the
[00:27:19] event, and I asked if that recording
[00:27:22] was expertly examined. I received an answer, I will read it uh, that
[00:27:25] the uh, in relation to the recordings
[00:27:29] of the minor who made the recordings with a phone, it was
[00:27:32] confirmed that the phone was seized with an order
[00:27:35] and sent for expert examination to the National Center for Criminal
[00:27:39] Forensics in Belgrade, which returned the same phone with
[00:27:42] a report that the recording was permanently deleted. That
[00:27:46] is what the prosecutor told you, you have an official record,
[00:27:50] do you know why the recording, let me just
[00:27:52] clarify what kind of recording it is, do you know why that
[00:27:56] recording was deleted? Here, that will remain a
[00:27:59] question, so we uh.
[00:28:02] We know that it happened at school, so
[00:28:06] sexual abuse, that two other boys were involved
[00:28:09] and that the fourth boy was
[00:28:13] filming it. That recording existed, and
[00:28:16] now uh we find out that
[00:28:19] the National Center for Criminal Forensics, which
[00:28:23] had the phone on which the recording was,
[00:28:27] said that it was permanently deleted. I now ask whether
[00:28:30] a minor child is able to permanently
[00:28:34] delete a recording from a phone, and if so,
[00:28:38] it was deleted in Belgrade,
[00:28:42] I don't know, no, it was submitted to them and they stated that it was deleted from the phone.
[00:28:45] Who, at what moment, and most importantly,
[00:28:49] why deleted that recording? That
[00:28:52] remains a question that
[00:28:55] the competent institutions uh will have to answer,
[00:28:58] given that apart from my well-intentioned
[00:29:02] proposal for a meeting to establish
[00:29:05] the facts, uh, groups of citizens, uh
[00:29:08] and uh
[00:29:11] then uh the competent authorities will
[00:29:15] submit formal requests,
[00:29:18] associations will submit formal requests
[00:29:22] uh to the internal control sectors, prosecutor's office,
[00:29:25] police, center for social work, uh,
[00:29:29] also to the competent inspectorates within the ministry.
[00:29:33] Uh, health and uh the Ministry of Education to
[00:29:37] establish the facts and to review
[00:29:40] the actions of everyone in that chain, i.e.,
[00:29:43] the prosecutor's office, police, center for social
[00:29:46] work, schools, and finally, hospitals. What
[00:29:49] is de facto when we talk about this case is that there was
[00:29:53] a cover-up, the public learned about it very late,
[00:29:56] I believe you had the opportunity to talk to people in
[00:30:00] Mrčajevci, who did you talk to?
[00:30:02] But what is your impression, are people even afraid to talk about
[00:30:05] it? Well, people are no longer afraid, I mean, I don't
[00:30:09] know, I wish there hadn't been a cover-up, I wish the institutions
[00:30:12] and those acting within those
[00:30:15] institutions had done their job, and we wouldn't even be discussing
[00:30:19] this now. Parents who are concerned and who are
[00:30:23] signatories of a large number
[00:30:26] of petitions, uh, as well as the parents
[00:30:30] of the abused boy whom I... saw both in
[00:30:33] Mrčajevci, they really
[00:30:36] appealed to the wider public to get involved,
[00:30:39] given that that case
[00:30:42] was not taken seriously. Every
[00:30:45] case of this nature, I mean,
[00:30:49] is urgent and really does not tolerate any
[00:30:52] relativization, let alone cover-ups. In that regard,
[00:30:56] I would really like to take this opportunity to tell everyone...