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[00:00:22] Good evening, this is another red line, I am Marina Fratucan. Omiš,
[00:00:25] Brač, Deliblatska Peščara, tables, the area around Trebinje and Mostar,
[00:00:29] could they have been prevented or at least brought under control faster,
[00:00:33] was the reaction of everyone in the chain of fire extinguishing in the countries
[00:00:36] of the region timely? How much do the countries of the region work on fire prevention,
[00:00:40] do firefighters have adequate equipment, could helicopters have
[00:00:44] been used earlier, and citizens warned earlier, when will
[00:00:48] we view fires as a consequence, whose causes should be addressed
[00:00:51] and finally, what about burned areas whose
[00:00:54] remediation sometimes takes more than decades, more prevention,
[00:00:58] less operative? About fires in the countries of the region on the red line tonight,
[00:01:02] Slobodan Milanović, professor at the Faculty of Forestry in Belgrade, Slavko
[00:01:05] Tucaković, chief fire commander in Croatia, and Božidar Kasalo, head
[00:01:16] of course, during the past month
[00:01:19] and more than a month, actually, almost two. September is the month,
[00:01:22] the situation on the ground should somehow calm down, we hope it
[00:01:26] is. However, even last weekend there were.
[00:01:30] active fires, primarily in Croatia, on Brač, Mr.
[00:01:33] Tucaković, that is one of the biggest fires,
[00:01:36] apart from the one that was, of course, in Omiš, which claimed human
[00:01:39] lives, as far as I understood, 14%
[00:01:42] of Brač was burned, you correct me if that is
[00:01:46] not the case, a large number of firefighters, about 200, according
[00:01:49] to the data from the wider area, dozens
[00:01:52] of vehicles, Canadair and so
[00:01:54] on, uh, I mentioned prevention in the introduction,
[00:01:58] you also mentioned it. What would you say
[00:02:02] now, at the end of September and after
[00:02:05] a really turbulent fire season in
[00:02:08] Croatia, what is the situation, who really failed,
[00:02:12] did it really have to be like this, well, first of all, thank you for the invitation to the
[00:02:16] show, I greet my colleagues, so I can
[00:02:19] say that this morning the fire on the island of Brač was localized, we can
[00:02:22] conclude that according to initial estimates, we have about 500
[00:02:26] hectares of burned surface, so dry grass, low...
[00:02:30] vegetation and some pine forest,
[00:02:32] so a large number of firefighters, who
[00:02:36] came to extinguish this fire, means first of all
[00:02:39] forces from the island of Brač were called, then Split-Dalmatia County, which were
[00:02:43] immediately introduced, and at the same time, forces were launched
[00:02:47] from the entire coast, from Primorje-Gorski Kotar,
[00:02:50] Istria all the way to Dubrovnik, Neretva, Šibenik, Zadar,
[00:02:54] so all the forces that were needed at that moment, uh,
[00:02:57] went to Brač, so to fight this
[00:03:00] fire, so, besides that fire on Brač,
[00:03:03] which was really big, violent, let's remember
[00:03:07] the fire near Omiš which was devastating, I would
[00:03:11] call it, I don't know, in my 15 years of career as
[00:03:14] chief fire commander, I haven't seen such a fire, something so
[00:03:18] terrible and when we talk about the color of the flame, it was not
[00:03:22] yellow, orange or red, but purple, which was
[00:03:26] really spreading due to strong wind, unfortunately there were
[00:03:29] also uh fatalities,
[00:03:33] so there are still people in the hospital in serious condition,
[00:03:37] really sincere condolences to all those who
[00:03:40] suffered here in the fire, so a great
[00:03:43] material damage that happened, so
[00:03:46] to people, some houses were burned or partially burned, so on
[00:03:49] agricultural and facilities, but also vineyards
[00:03:53] and everything else that was mentioned, it's irreparable damage when a fire occurs, so not only in
[00:03:57] terms of what I'm talking about.
[00:04:00] about direct damage, but also long-term damage, so there is no
[00:04:03] more forest, no life, no plants, no more animal world
[00:04:07] that was and all that happened and the worst thing that will
[00:04:11] happen now are floods or soil erosion that
[00:04:14] will happen and will actually take away, make one uh
[00:04:18] even worse damage in what could have happened, something worst that
[00:04:21] can happen, so it is now very necessary to react
[00:04:25] very quickly, so both with afforestation and with removal of trees,
[00:04:29] we are now in... in the area of Milna we found what burned ten
[00:04:32] years ago, those trees were still there, they are still there, so they burned again,
[00:04:36] you know, no one removed them and so on and so forth, so a lot needs to be
[00:04:40] established there and we can talk about it for a long, long time, is prevention
[00:04:43] a failure, well look, I've been talking about prevention for a long time
[00:04:47] and we will talk about it and we will this year, so we have already had two
[00:04:51] meetings this year, we talked about what everyone needs
[00:04:54] to do, how, but now we will push it even
[00:04:57] more because prevention is actually the key to success,
[00:05:00] this "more prevention, less operative" is the
[00:05:04] key to success, so everything is overgrown, everything is
[00:05:06] neglected, there are no roads, as we saw in the Omiš area
[00:05:10] when there was a fire, there are very few... roads, roads are narrow, so
[00:05:14] they need to be cleared, they need to be built, but not only that, they also need to be maintained, it's not
[00:05:18] enough to build a road if we won't maintain it and so
[00:05:21] on, so in that prevention, we can talk a lot
[00:05:25] and that's something that we all need to talk about, so about
[00:05:28] early detection, we have invested a lot in early detection, so fires,
[00:05:32] 280 cameras monitor all that, there are people, there are
[00:05:36] patrols and so on, did it fail, we know that the
[00:05:39] notification system in Omiš failed, uh...
[00:05:42] We heard that, the SMS didn't arrive, well, I don't know if the SMS should have
[00:05:46] been sent or not, we can talk about that when it comes to
[00:05:49] such rapid events that spread at high speed,
[00:05:53] so that early warning system for early warning, the
[00:05:57] name itself implies, so while we have time, however, here when you have
[00:05:59] a uh lightning-fast spread of fire, so what
[00:06:03] would happen, so an example we had in the Rus Kamen hotel, when
[00:06:07] we locked people in the hotel, we didn't let them out, we actually saved a lot
[00:06:11] of lives. The same thing was done in the Milna area when we
[00:06:14] in the area of the Gava Gava hotel, also
[00:06:18] a large number of people were accommodated in the hotel, they were not allowed to go out until the fire passed, the fire
[00:06:22] passed very quickly, so that is a matter of the commander's decision on
[00:06:25] the ground. We will continue to discuss this prevention that
[00:06:29] you touched upon, so we can also talk about what that prevention means with
[00:06:33] these upcoming landslides and rain that you announced,
[00:06:36] so uh, very
[00:06:39] high fire danger index, dry plants.
[00:06:42] So, that's what is definitely known and what needs to be acted upon, so,
[00:06:46] to act now, because we have to act now for what will
[00:06:49] happen to us in four or five years, the danger index is very high,
[00:06:53] it has moved far to the north of Europe, so we have to talk
[00:06:56] about that and it will happen to us, dehydration of plants and that is no longer good,
[00:07:00] who should act there, excuse me for interrupting you, who should act there,
[00:07:03] I assume from local self-government units in whose
[00:07:07] jurisdiction it is, counties and the state, so all together, meaning not just one
[00:07:11] individual can solve it because there is a variety of ownership and forests
[00:07:14] and and and land and so on, you have private
[00:07:18] ownership, you have state ownership, that's the essence, so we get in
[00:07:21] such situations when there is
[00:07:24] a long drought, long waves, we get a completely different class
[00:07:28] of fire, it's no longer class A fire but
[00:07:31] B, so our essential oils are burning,
[00:07:34] Mr. Tucaković, Serbia was also not spared from large
[00:07:38] fires, Tinja continues somewhere, Deliblatska Peščara, somehow
[00:07:41] it will remain. Stolovi as well, but Deliblatska
[00:07:45] Peščara, one would say the most, uh, you have talked
[00:07:48] a lot about preventive action, from some
[00:07:51] four factors, isn't that right, which we
[00:07:55] should keep in mind to act accordingly on those
[00:07:58] causes, so how would you evaluate that prevention, which of course
[00:08:02] everyone talks about as the most important when it comes to
[00:08:16] often talk about four groups of factors that define, or
[00:08:20] influence the occurrence of fires themselves, where
[00:08:23] first of all, the greatest importance is given to anthropogenic
[00:08:27] factors, in fact, 95%, perhaps even a
[00:08:30] higher percentage of fires occur under the influence of
[00:08:32] man, so these factors
[00:08:36] must be taken into account when forecasting
[00:08:40] the risk of fire, mhm. The index that my colleague from
[00:08:43] Croatia mentioned, I assume he meant the fire weather index, that is
[00:08:47] one
[00:08:50] uh index that defines the probability, i.e., the state
[00:08:54] of combustible material and burning conditions,
[00:08:58] but it does not speak of the real
[00:09:00] danger because, as I said, someone needs to start
[00:09:04] that fire, so that very
[00:09:08] fire weather index, its values for Deliblatska
[00:09:11] Peščara were, for example. for example, on that August 5th,
[00:09:14] they were very extreme, i.e.,
[00:09:18] over 50, between 50 and 70, there is another higher
[00:09:21] threshold where those values are above 70, uh
[00:09:26] that somewhat explains why we had such
[00:09:29] uh such consequences and why it was so
[00:09:32] difficult to bring that same fire under control, which the
[00:09:36] members of the sector for emergency situations in 21
[00:09:39] and I assume colleagues from Vojvodina Šuma. "within
[00:09:43] a few hours brought under control, but this index was known,
[00:09:46] I assume, excuse me for interrupting you, this index that you mentioned was, I was
[00:09:50] there even before that fifth, no or not, uh, it
[00:09:54] was significantly lower, 21 was
[00:09:57] between 10 and 20, mhm, this is probably
[00:10:01] one of the reasons why they were able to so easily,
[00:10:05] i.e., in just a few hours bring that fire under
[00:10:08] control, that explains the difference between the 21st
[00:10:12] and the 5th. of July and
[00:10:16] August 5th. Uh, so, you said that
[00:10:20] one of the factors is of course climate change, you mentioned the amount of combustible
[00:10:23] material, human and terrain configuration. Now, climate change, we can't really
[00:10:27] influence too much at that moment
[00:10:30] or
[00:10:32] earlier, but we know roughly that summers are getting hotter, not colder,
[00:10:36] and that index you mentioned, if it was 20 something in July, uh,
[00:10:40] I assume that experts know that it will increase during
[00:10:44] August, logically, considering the weather
[00:10:47] conditions, which will certainly be unfavorable,
[00:10:50] they should know and they should use those publicly available
[00:10:54] information more, first of all, because our Republican
[00:10:57] Hydrometeorological Institute has been generating data on the fire weather
[00:11:01] index since 2008
[00:11:03] 24 or 25 permanent hydrometeorological
[00:11:06] stations, also information on the fire weather index can
[00:11:10] be found on the portal of the European Forest Fire Information System
[00:11:14] and what is
[00:11:17] another advantage, this system provides a
[00:11:20] forecast for about eight to nine days in advance,
[00:11:24] so that...
[00:11:34] days in advance so that you can somehow prepare your resources,
[00:11:37] allocate personnel to those areas where the
[00:11:41] uh danger will certainly be higher, was that
[00:11:45] done adequately in your opinion? Well, I
[00:11:48] think that this information is not used adequately
[00:11:52] and that that's why we might have had
[00:11:55] this situation, not only now, but also in previous years, similar
[00:11:59] situations, when it comes to, and as for
[00:12:02] prevention, what remains for us
[00:12:06] is to try to manage combustible
[00:12:09] material for a longer period, that's the only thing we
[00:12:13] can influence,
[00:12:16] in a sense, we can also influence people, but let's remember
[00:12:19] the situation from before, from last year when we had
[00:12:23] over 600 fires in one day, meaning...
[00:12:25] there will be a certain number of people who, no matter how much we
[00:12:29] raise awareness about the importance of forests, the danger that threatens us from
[00:12:32] fires, simply to some people that
[00:12:36] information will not reach them or they will not process it, they will not
[00:12:39] accept it, they will behave as they behave, i.e.,
[00:12:43] they will set some 600 fires every day somewhere,
[00:12:47] but it will depend on the fire weather index, i.e., on the condition
[00:12:50] of the combustible material, to be more precise,
[00:12:53] whether those... 600 fires will become
[00:12:57] real fires that will then be a big challenge for
[00:13:00] uh the resources we have and which we can use to extinguish
[00:13:04] forest fires. In the continuation, we will see the story from Omiš
[00:13:07] unfortunately from Deliblatska Peščara, what you mentioned, that the information was not used
[00:13:11] adequately, do you expect uh some investigation,
[00:13:25] since a lot has really burned, it's not exactly that I think some
[00:13:29] lessons must be learned that in the future
[00:13:33] in the future we should use more information that is
[00:13:36] publicly available and that can be publicly available if some
[00:13:40] funds were invested uh to
[00:13:43] be able to produce that information that firefighters,
[00:13:45] i.e., our members of the sector for emergencies, could use very usefully
[00:13:49] in that
[00:13:52] way to save their lives and... and property
[00:13:56] and above all the environment, yes, we often
[00:13:59] forget that, you didn't answer me about this responsibility, this responsibility,
[00:14:03] do you expect, I know it's not your
[00:14:05] domain, but do you simply expect, as
[00:14:09] someone who deals with these issues, I don't mean to
[00:14:12] initiate, but I deal with fire research,
[00:14:16] I assume that there are responsible people in
[00:14:20] uh the Ministry of Internal Affairs who should conduct
[00:14:23] investigations related to... the occurrence of fires, but these things can,
[00:14:27] we'll see if that happens, when it comes to Bosnia and Herzegovina, Mr. Kasalo,
[00:14:30] fires have not bypassed Bosnia and Herzegovina,
[00:14:34] Trebinje, Mostar, Livno near you, everything
[00:14:38] around was burning, so how would you evaluate,
[00:14:41] we saw problems with equipment,
[00:14:43] outdated uh, but also
[00:14:47] areas that were defended, how would you evaluate, here it is already
[00:14:51] here, hopefully the fire season is coming to an end for you too.
[00:15:03] fire season ahead of us, although we
[00:15:07] uh are not sufficiently equipped
[00:15:09] with equipment, which should be used by firefighters and fire brigades
[00:15:13] and civil protection services that act against
[00:15:17] fires, mm the vehicle fleet is, for example, older,
[00:15:19] the average age of the vehicle fleet is over 30 years,
[00:15:23] old, we don't have, how should I
[00:15:26] say, local self-governments are facing the fact that mostly
[00:15:30] only they finance,
[00:15:32] uh, firefighting, very few from higher
[00:15:36] levels of government.
[00:15:38] In the future, if it continues
[00:15:41] like this, it won't be good,
[00:15:45] we won't be able to act because all
[00:15:47] the seasons are demanding
[00:15:49] in the current moment there is a large
[00:15:53] one in the neighboring municipality
[00:15:56] of Posušje and I would like to take this
[00:15:59] opportunity to commend the great
[00:16:02] help of the Government of the Republic, often when the
[00:16:06] population is endangered, it sends facilities.
[00:16:09] Also ,
[00:16:13] a big role as legal
[00:16:15] entities,
[00:16:18] forest societies which
[00:16:21] manage forests should
[00:16:24] take much more action regarding
[00:16:27] fire roads, clearings and so on, so that
[00:16:30] mm it could be prevented
[00:16:33] in that
[00:16:53] Bosnia and Herzegovina, now that is compared to fires destroying
[00:16:56] an area equal to 105,000 football
[00:16:59] fields and that it will be even worse in the
[00:17:03] future, what is the problem with Bosnia and Herzegovina, as far as
[00:17:06] I understand, uh there are no specialized
[00:17:10] fire-fighting aircraft in Bosnia and Herzegovina that should
[00:17:13] uh exist, but they
[00:17:16] don't, so they say.
[00:17:18] Uh, mhm,
[00:17:22] you said two years ago Herceg-Bosna Canton,
[00:17:25] West Herzegovina and Herzegovina-Neretva
[00:17:28] Canton signed an agreement and
[00:17:32] rented e-tractors from the Republic of Croatia that proved to be
[00:17:36] of great help to us. These two seasons,
[00:17:39] only the airport brda in Livno is used
[00:17:43] for air tractor operations, where they are loaded when it comes
[00:17:47] to fires in Herceg-Bosna
[00:17:49] Canton, only a minimum of
[00:17:52] 50 uh flights were from
[00:17:55] there, but of course the
[00:17:58] third level authorities should have already
[00:18:02] had them from your
[00:18:04] own
[00:18:07] yes. So either helicopters or what do you call them, maybe Canadairs
[00:18:10] or maybe for our area
[00:18:13] helicopters, because the ground
[00:18:16] forces themselves on inaccessible forest
[00:18:20] terrains uh can
[00:18:23] do very little, there are large altitudes in question,
[00:18:27] uh cliffs,
[00:18:30] ravines and so on where sometimes it is
[00:18:33] impossible to reach and operate in those areas,
[00:18:37] yes... What can be read is that
[00:18:40] Bosnia and Herzegovina actually has helicopters that can be engaged in firefighting, but
[00:18:44] it does not have its own specialized firefighting fleet,
[00:18:48] let's go back to Omiš where unfortunately there were
[00:18:51] human casualties, so a catastrophic fire hit the area of
[00:18:54] Omiš and surrounding places, Lokvar, Ogoznica,
[00:18:58] Mimice, Nemira, Staničići in mid-August
[00:19:00] 2026. Three people died, more than
[00:19:04] 40 were injured, and over 2,000 people were evacuated. The Government
[00:19:08] of Croatia and the city of Zagreb offered help in remediating the consequences
[00:19:11] of the fire, but the question remains what we talked about, could it have been
[00:19:15] prevented and why did the early warning and
[00:19:18] crisis management system that cost 8.4 million
[00:19:21] euros fail? SMS messages were not received by the residents of Omiš,
[00:19:24] nor by numerous domestic or foreign
[00:19:27] tourists.
[00:19:30] In this fight with nature, everyone lost. As soon as
[00:19:33] night fell, hell descended upon Omiš. A strong
[00:19:37] wind with elements of a hurricane-force bora pushed the fire over
[00:19:40] the mountain, dry thousand hectares burned, the fire
[00:19:44] reached the cliffs of the city, people in panic abandoned
[00:19:47] their homes, left their cars on the highway, fleeing to
[00:19:51] the sea, there they served guests who told me they felt
[00:19:55] some smoke, I didn't go after that because
[00:19:58] the cook is constantly burning wood and we thought it was that, and at one
[00:20:02] moment I turned my head and saw a big flame, I grabbed a hose to
[00:20:06] go put it out, but... it started blowing, it lifted
[00:20:09] everything, I barely saved the car, at the last moment and killed
[00:20:13] him, come on he says, embers are
[00:20:15] flying in the yard, I then ran out, the house
[00:20:19] was left unlocked, I grabbed the spoon, look how
[00:20:23] I was crying, fire is burning on both sides, I'm driving
[00:20:26] the car, and behind the fire there were catastrophic
[00:20:29] and enormous material consequences, burned
[00:20:33] houses, cars, black and broken trees that are
[00:20:37] still smoking. Firefighters who fought the
[00:20:40] fiery element near Omiš all night say that when they arrived at this
[00:20:44] very specific and inaccessible terrain, the fire was already
[00:20:48] in a raging phase. on the ground, houses were already
[00:20:51] threatened, we had to fight for every house, every street,
[00:20:55] now when a fire burns 100 hectares in four
[00:20:59] hours, you know the power of that fire, the power of nature, the sports
[00:21:02] hall in Omiš was too small to accommodate all the evacuated
[00:21:06] local residents and foreign tourists, so many
[00:21:09] people were transported by organized
[00:21:12] transport to Split. The Prime Minister of Croatia
[00:21:15] was asked why citizens were not warned via
[00:21:19] the so-called system. Plenković's response was not
[00:21:22] direct, nor did he specify whether the possibility
[00:21:25] of sending such a message was considered, he only
[00:21:28] emphasized the speed with which the fire spread. Here
[00:21:31] the situation was obviously fast in terms of wind at night,
[00:21:35] if it had been day, Canadairs would have operated during the day. And that
[00:21:38] is unfortunately what was missing. I think they were
[00:21:42] really so superhumanly sacrificial that what
[00:21:46] was managed to be saved is a real miracle. The
[00:21:50] President of Croatia, Milanović, first stated that it was
[00:21:53] a terrible event, natural, then he
[00:21:56] wondered, maybe it was not only natural, we don't know
[00:22:00] and remained ambiguous. Nenad
[00:22:03] Nešić, N1,
[00:22:04] Belgrade.
[00:22:09] Well, Mr. Tucaković, we saw these truly distressing scenes, I think that
[00:22:12] truly, I don't know, you say that in 15 years you haven't seen
[00:22:16] anything like this, there were
[00:22:18] fires
[00:22:20] in 2017
[00:22:23] and 2012, I think some years are mentioned when a lot
[00:22:26] uh uh burned but
[00:22:29] not like this as you yourself said, uh you said that we should talk
[00:22:32] a little about this uh
[00:22:36] notification system where you said that maybe it wasn't even necessary,
[00:22:39] what exactly did you mean? Here we see that Prime Minister Plenković didn't
[00:22:42] comment excessively what is actually happening, is it good or
[00:22:46] not good? Well look, I uh...
[00:22:50] "I can responsibly claim that only firefighters, that is, the idiots commanded
[00:22:54] by my colleagues, so colleague Pešić spoke, and
[00:22:57] colleague county commander Kovačević, then I arrived
[00:23:01] an hour after the fire started and I was
[00:23:04] in the fire all night, I was even in
[00:23:07] mortal danger twice, I know very well what the firefighters
[00:23:11] were doing there, they were defending house by house, actually
[00:23:14] they were only defending and evacuating and doing everything they could
[00:23:18] so that no one would be hurt." "nothing, so here I really have to thank
[00:23:22] the police, civil protection who really immediately got involved
[00:23:25] and helped uh people, all tourists in this
[00:23:28] area, so I mentioned earlier whether to
[00:23:32] activate the early warning system, so here we are
[00:23:35] talking about a very uh lightning-fast fire, so
[00:23:38] a very fast one that developed very quickly, so a hurricane-force
[00:23:42] bora was blowing, so the fire was spreading, we had conditions
[00:23:45] favorable for fire, so it was dehydration
[00:23:49] of plants, so..." and everything else, so it was an inaccessible terrain,
[00:23:52] it was a terrain with narrow streets, so
[00:23:56] everything had to be done quickly and I can really say that the firefighters
[00:23:59] did their job heroically, really gave their all, as did these
[00:24:03] services that were there, so I can say that very
[00:24:06] quickly in the first moment over 200 people were accommodated and organized in
[00:24:10] the hall, then some people were transferred further to
[00:24:13] Split, so we saw foreigners too, yes, we saw in
[00:24:17] the report a very quick organization of the city and the county. and everything else that was
[00:24:21] there, the people who were there, but also the citizens themselves who
[00:24:24] self-organized, poured water around, so a large number
[00:24:28] of houses were saved, we must talk about that, so how many houses were
[00:24:31] saved, how many lives, did it perhaps happen that we allowed
[00:24:35] evacuation from Ruskamen hotel, so we
[00:24:38] left people in the hotel, don't go out
[00:24:41] with two vehicles we saved that hotel, so nobody was
[00:24:45] injured there, so we did the same thing in the area of
[00:24:47] Brač when the commander
[00:24:50] made the decision everyone to the hotel, close the hotel, I can say
[00:24:53] that this action was very well done, however,
[00:24:57] unfortunately what I can say is that there was a fatal
[00:25:00] accident, that is the worst thing that can happen to a person,
[00:25:04] to people, we saw all of that in the report, the dedication of firefighters in
[00:25:08] both cases in all others, we
[00:25:11] see that in footage across Croatia and of course Serbia
[00:25:15] and Bosnia and Herzegovina, that is absolutely not in question, what I asked you and
[00:25:18] what you insisted on a lot about that prevention, and you did not
[00:25:22] specifically answer my question about this notification system via
[00:25:26] SMS, as we receive a notification that there
[00:25:29] will be some, I said, so I already said in the first part of my
[00:25:33] answers, so when we talk about an early
[00:25:35] warning system, we are talking about an early warning system, it
[00:25:39] failed, no,
[00:25:42] don't say that, I don't agree, I don't agree with you,
[00:25:46] so we are talking about an early warning system, so
[00:25:50] it was about a fire that started with lightning speed and it was necessary to
[00:25:53] approach it, in that sense what would have happened if
[00:25:57] we had turned it on, if 500 people had left this hotel to the fire,
[00:26:01] mhm, what would have happened. the assessment was that it was not necessary at
[00:26:04] that moment, it was a big event that was already
[00:26:08] caused, which was on the ground in a very, very
[00:26:12] big heat, so it's like having an explosion, you understand,
[00:26:16] clearly, and in that sense, the assessment was that if an SMS had been sent, there would have been more
[00:26:19] panic and more victims, maybe more victims, that assessment was like that at
[00:26:23] that moment, now that prevention, you talked a lot about it
[00:26:26] and that's exactly what we said, more prevention,
[00:26:29] less, uh, more prevention. less, yes,
[00:26:33] now in this specific case, what should have been more prevention or
[00:26:37] what could have been, could it have been at all, what
[00:26:40] should have been done in specific cases, but we must generally talk about all areas
[00:26:44] of all local units and regional self-governments, so we are talking about
[00:26:48] building roads, road passability, we are talking
[00:26:51] about arranging forest roads, arranging forest areas, we
[00:26:55] have a wonderful example uh, so, uh,
[00:26:59] the area of the city of Skradin when we made a projection.
[00:27:03] "what would happen, what will happen, what is the fire risk
[00:27:06] if we don't arrange the areas and how much it is when we arrange the areas and the
[00:27:10] risk decreases, so we have everything in digital form and everything can
[00:27:14] be checked, so we, that was done where from the area of the city of
[00:27:18] Skradin, uh, and over
[00:27:20] 5,000 uh cubic meters
[00:27:24] of wood mass were removed, mhm, you know what it is, now we have roads,
[00:27:28] streets, so the national park was involved, Croatian forests
[00:27:31] uh..." the fire commander of the Šibenik-Knin
[00:27:34] county, so everyone was involved and it showed that
[00:27:38] it can be done, so it should continue like that, mhm, good, that is one of
[00:27:41] the forms of prevention, when it comes to Serbia, now we will soon watch
[00:27:45] a report from the Deliblato Sands, which we talked about the most,
[00:27:48] Mr. Milanović, just to clarify, does Serbia have
[00:27:52] this, I am now insisting on that SMS notification, we heard
[00:27:55] why this system was not activated at this moment, the assessment
[00:27:59] was such, uh, Serbia has notification when there are some
[00:28:03] disasters that are coming, weather disasters, whether they are
[00:28:06] thunderstorms or winds, do we also have such a system for
[00:28:10] warning for fires,
[00:28:13] well, I think it is a unique system that
[00:28:17] this only depends on the type of danger, just as
[00:28:20] they warn us about extreme weather conditions such as
[00:28:24] storms, they should also warn us if
[00:28:27] there is a great danger of fire in a certain
[00:28:30] territory. "It wasn't here, if I am well
[00:28:34] informed, well, to tell you the truth,
[00:28:38] I don't have such information whether such a system was activated,
[00:28:42] whether it should have been activated, considering that if you mean the Deliblato Sands, considering that
[00:28:45] the Sands were burning, now yes,
[00:28:49] but at some moments it already approached populated
[00:28:53] areas, we also saw that there were problems there, no, yes,
[00:28:56] several populated areas were threatened, but at that moment
[00:29:00] as far as I know, members of the directorate for emergency
[00:29:03] situations were there, so they directly carried out the evacuation,
[00:29:07] it seems to me, people from Šušara, I don't know for
[00:29:09] other places. Let's see how it really looked
[00:29:13] in the Deliblato Sands, the responsibility that
[00:29:16] Serbia as a state and society fell short on, and the consequences are suffered by both plant
[00:29:19] and animal life that will need decades to recover, as they say.
[00:29:23] The Deliblato Sands, known to the scientific or general public
[00:29:27] as an area highly susceptible to fires. Why then did the system
[00:29:30] of preventive early warning fail? The public, along with the demand for an investigation
[00:29:34] of responsibility, also asks who benefited from this
[00:29:37] and why, especially if only a few days after
[00:29:40] suspicions about the construction of wind farms on the burned Deliblato Sands were
[00:29:44] declared misinformation, lies, the Serbian Parliament quietly
[00:29:48] passed amendments to the law that allow exactly that, paving the way for
[00:29:52] similar changes in land use affected by some of the 60
[00:29:55] large fires this season,
[00:29:59] how the Deliblato Sands became a del... swamp.
[00:30:02] Those who tried to answer this
[00:30:06] question could go to prison for spreading
[00:30:09] panic,
[00:30:10] one should not
[00:30:14] use
[00:30:17] through political, through alleged political
[00:30:19] struggle
[00:30:21] untruths for someone to gain
[00:30:25] certain political
[00:30:28] points, that is simply not
[00:30:30] true, it is a lie... It is ultimately
[00:30:34] shameful, it is hypocritical. Who lied
[00:30:37] on August 7th when the same minister stated that
[00:30:41] Serbia did not need help.
[00:30:44] This was the fire on August
[00:30:47] 5th. Look.
[00:30:50] This was the fire on August
[00:30:53] 7th. He states that things are under
[00:30:56] control. You should have activated it already then.