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[00:00:00] we didn't do transplants, nor do we do transplants today, nor
[00:00:03] some very complex interventions and
[00:00:06] after my first stay where I was very confident that
[00:00:10] I knew everything, I went a second time after three or four years where the
[00:00:14] first six months were very difficult for me, but fortunately they knew me so they
[00:00:17] somewhat, let's say, let me
[00:00:20] adapt, and the second, the second period was really, really, really
[00:00:24] as it should be, considering that today you are the head of
[00:00:28] the department of... cardiothoracic surgery, i.e.,
[00:00:31] cardiothoracic surgery at the Institute for Mother and Child, obviously
[00:00:34] and a professor at the faculty, it is obvious that these
[00:00:38] challenges have become part of your practice, part of
[00:00:41] something, where we, uh, I'm not going to
[00:00:44] ask you where we are with, but I assume that
[00:00:47] from the time you were a young resident until
[00:00:50] today, uh, you experienced the transformation of medicine and
[00:00:54] cardiac surgery, that today more can be done
[00:00:57] than before, of course. What does that mean to a doctor,
[00:01:01] a surgeon, when you know, when you see something that
[00:01:05] perhaps couldn't be done 20 years ago, today you know you have
[00:01:08] a solution? Pediatric cardiac surgery is
[00:01:11] very dependent on technology, meaning
[00:01:15] of course all, all branches of medicine are dependent,
[00:01:18] but cardiac surgery is very dependent on technology,
[00:01:21] of course, and money, or funds. The more
[00:01:25] money, the better the supply, the better
[00:01:28] the continuity. That's what, in the past 20,
[00:01:32] 30 years, or discontinuity,
[00:01:35] set us back. Staff is not a problem at all, you know.
[00:01:38] I mean, people, people, our many doctors
[00:01:41] and medical staff wouldn't succeed in the West if
[00:01:45] they hadn't gotten a good foundation here, you know. And
[00:01:48] so this story that our university is bad or
[00:01:52] that something, I don't agree with that. Of course, as everywhere,
[00:01:56] there are people who know more or less, but the very fact
[00:02:00] that our people adapt so well abroad, that's a sign that something
[00:02:04] is still good here and they are highly valued and
[00:02:07] then now, uh, as for that
[00:02:10] pediatric cardiac surgery of ours, uh, we had, you know,
[00:02:14] we are constantly in a sinusoid, sometimes down, sometimes up, sometimes down,
[00:02:17] sometimes up. In the last, let's say, ten years,
[00:02:21] I have to say 15, that kind of supply and
[00:02:25] what, what we have, the hardware we work with, is
[00:02:28] more or less stable, mhm, that doesn't
[00:02:31] depend on us doctors, it depends on everything, now of course, there is
[00:02:34] something, some things that don't depend on us, you have a lot of
[00:02:38] factories, i.e., manufacturers who don't
[00:02:41] find it profitable to make children's pediatric programs, because
[00:02:44] the needs are small, there are much fewer children than adults in
[00:02:48] that sense, uh, some things change, but
[00:02:52] cardiac surgery requires a constant,
[00:02:54] constant supply, because for example,
[00:02:57] uh, when you have adults, you want
[00:03:01] to replace a valve, you have many adults whose
[00:03:04] valves are replaced and you have on hand, as they say, 20
[00:03:08] different valves, that's routine, with children it's rare
[00:03:12] and then, for example, we have only one or two
[00:03:15] valves available, so the pediatric population differs in that sense
[00:03:18] that it is much better now, yes,
[00:03:22] fortunately I have very good and intelligent and ambitious
[00:03:26] young associates who eventually decided to work with
[00:03:29] me. "Uh, I still have a little more work to do,
[00:03:33] they will nicely inherit all of that, they adapted
[00:03:36] well and I think there is no fear that they will continue
[00:03:40] that program. I have to ask you something very
[00:03:42] sensitive, uh, besides doing the most important,
[00:03:46] most sensitive job in the world,
[00:03:49] uh, surgery is one part of
[00:03:53] the story, parents are the other part of the story, you certainly
[00:03:56] have contact with parents on how, uh,"
[00:04:00] that part of the story I assume is very difficult for
[00:04:04] you, because you doctors have to do
[00:04:07] that, to talk to parents, to
[00:04:10] calm them down, to comfort them,
[00:04:13] uh, what does your day look like, is it
[00:04:17] one day around one patient? Uh,
[00:04:20] cardiac surgery,
[00:04:23] has another more complex component, we as
[00:04:26] cardiac surgeons do not do diagnostics,
[00:04:29] uh, that is done by... cardiologists who then present the patient to us, and generally
[00:04:33] patients, i.e., parents of patients, are much more often in contact with
[00:04:36] cardiologists who, of course, do their part of
[00:04:40] the story and uh, I believe that
[00:04:43] they, or rather I don't believe, I know they tell
[00:04:46] them everything they need to know, the parents, however, you know,
[00:04:50] when it comes to surgery, they usually see me, or the surgeon who operates on them,
[00:04:54] for the first time.
[00:04:57] And... I as
[00:05:00] a surgeon or my colleagues, when I say I speak, we now come
[00:05:04] into a first very delicate situation
[00:05:08] to explain to them what
[00:05:10] can happen, what is happening to their child. The fact that I will open his chest
[00:05:14] bone, that I will stop the child's heart, that I will
[00:05:17] do this and that, that the operation is such
[00:05:21] an unpleasant part to tell them that there are risks for every
[00:05:25] surgical procedure that exists, they do not occur in the vast majority
[00:05:28] of cases, that part when I tell
[00:05:31] the parents, you know, the greatest
[00:05:35] risk is that your child will not survive the operation, that
[00:05:38] is such a critical moment in every conversation I have with
[00:05:41] parents. "I remember very well, I was
[00:05:45] much younger than now, when I operated on a girl
[00:05:49] with a relatively, i.e., one of the simpler defects,
[00:05:53] then, of course, you know, when you're a little younger then you're more
[00:05:56] confident so you speak from a certain perspective,
[00:06:00] uh, I said, you know, to the gentleman, I told the father,
[00:06:03] the risk that something will happen is 1%, that the child will not
[00:06:06] survive is 1%, and he told me this, you know,
[00:06:10] Doctor, if my child does not survive, your 1% is
[00:06:13] 100% to me. And then I got a little goosebumps and
[00:06:17] simply since then I have
[00:06:20] a great, great, great obligation to present this to parents
[00:06:24] in such a way that I convince them, or rather convince them, to tell them that
[00:06:28] for their child this is the right path, to cure them,
[00:06:31] on the other hand, to warn them that nothing
[00:06:35] is routine, so
[00:06:38] that relationship with parents is very delicate.
[00:06:42] Secondly, we allow parents to come and see the child after
[00:06:45] the operation. Unfortunately, it often happens
[00:06:49] that these children after multi-hour operations look
[00:06:53] completely different than when they entered the operating
[00:06:56] room, because they are swollen, because they are, uh, simply
[00:07:00] a different color, exhausted, and so on. Not
[00:07:04] infrequently, it happens that parents want to collapse next to them. I'm
[00:07:08] talking about dramatic things now, but if you prepare
[00:07:11] them well, then... it's a little easier. We have a custom of bringing
[00:07:14] parents into the intensive care unit to see other children first, not their own, because
[00:07:18] it's easier to get used to it. I have to ask you now, and I always
[00:07:22] wondered about this when it comes to such delicate professions, you
[00:07:25] hold a child's heart, a child's life literally in your
[00:07:29] hands, and things go as they go,
[00:07:33] is, uh, that 1% risk
[00:07:36] still there? How do you cope with
[00:07:39] absorbing other people's feelings, your
[00:07:42] own feelings, situations that are
[00:07:45] never completely certain, again
[00:07:49] with the success that is ultimately the crown
[00:07:52] of the work?
[00:07:54] Listen, that's training, so the very fact that you,
[00:07:58] as a young cardiac surgeon, or rather, surgeon,
[00:08:02] immediately take on the responsibility of very large
[00:08:05] operations, for that reason cardiac surgery is delicate, but with
[00:08:08] the specialist exam you actually just start from the beginning.
[00:08:13] "You don't immediately go into the most difficult interventions, but simply go
[00:08:16] step by step, step by step, of course, you can never
[00:08:20] get used to failures, to bad outcomes,
[00:08:23] even though you are convinced within yourself that you absolutely
[00:08:27] couldn't have done anything more, that
[00:08:30] moment when you announce a bad outcome is something
[00:08:33] that
[00:08:36] how can I say, you can't, you simply can't. On the
[00:08:40] other hand, there are other things where it says: the situation is
[00:08:43] critical, where you can't, where you can't say left, nor
[00:08:47] right, nor up, nor down, that simply the postoperative
[00:08:50] course is complicated and then parents literally expect
[00:08:54] you to say something better every time they visit, but you can't, so
[00:08:58] there are different nuances to that, it's simply a
[00:09:01] part that you practice,
[00:09:04] uh, once you know, that's that level
[00:09:08] of excellence that has to be said, that you simply overcome
[00:09:11] within yourself. "all personal,
[00:09:15] personal, how should I say, personal feelings, you have to be
[00:09:18] a professional, because tomorrow you have another operation, the day after tomorrow
[00:09:22] a third, and you simply have to function, do
[00:09:25] you have some figuratively speaking place where those
[00:09:29] difficult feelings are poured out so that you can enter the operating room
[00:09:32] with full strength again, somewhere where
[00:09:36] you can give vent to what
[00:09:39] is certainly not easy, especially with age."
[00:09:44] "There are different moments, there are those moments that don't exist, you know, you can't
[00:09:48] always control yourself, but as I say, it's a training again, I personally like to
[00:09:52] go swimming where no one can disturb me in that
[00:09:55] pool, that is, I have to isolate myself, although it happens that
[00:09:59] I come out and see that they called me, well
[00:10:02] since it's a women's show, I have to tell you that often,
[00:10:05] maybe it's not popular, but I often find myself doing some housework when I come
[00:10:09] home, I just take this... mechanically
[00:10:13] to do something, not to be, not to sit and stare at the ceiling, but
[00:10:17] simply iron, scrub and so on, well, the professor
[00:10:20] of the university doesn't get
[00:10:22] anywhere, I'm glad. "Simply, I simply
[00:10:26] do something mechanically to
[00:10:29] overcome it, I can't read or watch to
[00:10:32] concentrate on something, on a movie, what can I
[00:10:36] tell you, there are different ones, each of us is
[00:10:39] different, so we overcome it in some way,
[00:10:42] now let's go back, I mean, on the one hand, it's wonderful
[00:10:46] that you exist, on the other hand, it's best for people to
[00:10:50] meet you like we did, to go
[00:10:53] somewhere and have coffee." to get to know each other and have a nice chat so that you
[00:10:57] don't encounter misfortune at your workplace, because whoever comes to that
[00:11:01] point is not having an easy time of it, trust me.
[00:11:04] We separate ourselves in a way over time
[00:11:07] from the emotions of parents, we have to
[00:11:11] , you know, just like not every lawyer can be emotionally invested in the tragic
[00:11:15] fate of their clients, so we have to
[00:11:18] function with a level, how
[00:11:22] can I say, and a small level of intimacy with the parent. On the other hand, as
[00:11:25] professionals, we simply always put ourselves in a situation where we are
[00:11:29] ready for that surgical procedure, but when you step back
[00:11:33] a little and meet those parents after
[00:11:36] a series of years or outside the hospital, then they tell you
[00:11:40] details that they remember, what everyone said in the rounds and so
[00:11:44] on, only then do you actually return to that reality of how
[00:11:47] difficult their stay in the hospital was and we return
[00:11:50] to the award, for what reason and how were you
[00:11:54] awarded so that I can tell these people
[00:11:57] that we have the pleasure and honor to be
[00:12:00] with a professor who wears
[00:12:04] the British Crown decoration, I mean, isn't that something? Uh,
[00:12:07] I must admit that it was a big surprise for me. Because of
[00:12:11] my contacts with
[00:12:13] Britain, and the contacts were such that at that
[00:12:17] time, and later, I managed to maintain relations with all
[00:12:21] colleagues there, with my mentors, that I have
[00:12:25] mentored, in some way, over 20 people. Not sponsored, mentored them to go
[00:12:29] there for a shorter or longer period,
[00:12:31] uh, it wasn't just cardiac surgery, I also sent
[00:12:35] some others through those acquaintances,
[00:12:39] uh, the first time
[00:12:41] in 2007, when we celebrated 25 years
[00:12:45] of our department, I tried, I had the
[00:12:48] idea to bring those top people from whom I learned to
[00:12:51] Belgrade, which is not easy, you know, they have their schedules and... how
[00:12:55] busy they are and so on. Then I organized
[00:12:59] everything for six months, and Professor
[00:13:02] Delevall Chang, a cardiologist and cardiac surgeon, I made
[00:13:06] a workshop and then they came to see what we applied from all
[00:13:10] that we learned and fortunately
[00:13:12] then it opened up a bit so Professor Eliot was also a guest
[00:13:16] lecturer at the faculty, and then relatively recently
[00:13:20] another colleague came who deals with tracheal surgery, mostly I established
[00:13:24] that two-way, two-way
[00:13:27] connection, which was somehow seen and lasts
[00:13:31] a long time, I must admit that it was in May
[00:13:34] when they called me to the British Embassy, after a reception,
[00:13:38] I didn't know why they were calling me again, I said I was there two or three days ago, why are they calling
[00:13:42] me again, when Mr. Ferguson, His
[00:13:45] Excellency, told me that he was offering
[00:13:49] me, do I agree to receive
[00:13:52] the British medal, I just... I didn't fall off my chair, you know,
[00:13:56] we were sitting in that
[00:13:57] residence,
[00:14:01] honestly, I don't know what
[00:14:04] I'll do, what I'll do, I have to say, I have to say,
[00:14:08] yes, uh, he is actually a very kind
[00:14:11] and helpful and nice man who presented it all
[00:14:15] like, you know, ha ha, then I delved
[00:14:19] into this story to see who got what, and I
[00:14:22] saw that a very small number of people got it and almost no one from medicine,
[00:14:26] and what can I tell you, well, I had to keep quiet for quite
[00:14:29] a long time until it was official, until I accepted it and it went to Britain
[00:14:33] and they recognized it, the best part is yet to come, the awarding
[00:14:37] of that medal, that will be at the end of the year, well,
[00:14:41] I don't think so, I don't think so, that's for British
[00:14:44] citizens, that's not for us, but I mean, how can I
[00:14:47] tell you, uh, this, I don't know if
[00:14:50] you get a title with it, but for us, unfortunately no, I would
[00:14:54] like to... but for us you are, for us you are already
[00:14:58] that, that's for British, that's for British citizens, the English
[00:15:02] as they are, you have there in that agreement, if
[00:15:06] you become a British citizen in the meantime that can be, but
[00:15:10] I think this is quite enough, more than enough, thank you very
[00:15:13] much, uh, for coming to us to
[00:15:17] talk, uh, about something, people don't like to
[00:15:20] talk about this because when we hear pediatric cardiac surgery,
[00:15:24] we move... we say: "ugh, God forbid", but actually it's very
[00:15:28] important that you exist, it's very important that you are so good
[00:15:31] and it's very important that you have young associates for whom you are
[00:15:35] sure that there will be someone to treat
[00:15:38] children in the future and follow global trends. And
[00:15:42] just a word about those challenges you mentioned,
[00:15:46] challenges were often here when people joined
[00:15:49] our team, stayed for a while, got trained a bit, then left, and
[00:15:53] you have a situation where your entire department can collapse
[00:15:56] due to one person, just when you train and organize
[00:16:00] them, so it's not just the doctor-patient relationship. For example, I have to
[00:16:04] tell you that the people who manage extracorporeal circulation
[00:16:07] are called perfusionists, very important, and now you educate one perfusionist
[00:16:11] who are otherwise in demand on the market, and if he just announces he's leaving, your whole
[00:16:15] department can work, everyone, but there's no perfusionist. I have
[00:16:19] truly been lucky and somehow I believe that this medal
[00:16:22] is a medal for all of us, that someone new always came, you know,
[00:16:26] someone always accepted my
[00:16:30] way of working and I think that
[00:16:32] now a team has been well formed over the last few
[00:16:36] years and there's no fear for those children that they
[00:16:40] will be able to work even without me when I stop
[00:16:42] working. It's a big thing, it's a big
[00:16:46] thing to know that there is and when something happens
[00:16:49] that I am most proud of, and if that medal is the culmination of something, then
[00:16:53] it is the culmination of my associates, all of them who work, thank you
[00:16:57] professor, uh, I don't know what to
[00:17:00] say to you, when you are at the ceremony, give us a call
[00:17:04] to simply share how it went. You'll never, thank
[00:17:08] God, find yourself in the gossip columns, unfortunately
[00:17:11] there won't be enough talk about how important that
[00:17:14] award is and how important the recognition is. Here, we always
[00:17:18] have, uh, a welcome and space to tell
[00:17:22] the world that we have real experts and someone whom
[00:17:26] the world recognizes as top-notch, it's not
[00:17:29] insignificant and it's not unimportant, thank you, thank you very much, I say, I'm
[00:17:33] watching, I don't always watch your show, but sometimes, sometimes
[00:17:36] I watch and... and I know that your shows are, well, they are
[00:17:39] legendary, look Ivana, when I was trying to, when arranging to
[00:17:43] explain to the professor, you know, we, she says, well
[00:17:45] I'm watching, it's enough for me, our hearts
[00:17:49] are full, our hearts are full, thank you for the
[00:17:52] invitation, I hope I will see you at that
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