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[00:03:11] The arrest of Marko Kricka comes almost half a year after
[00:03:14] the murder in Senjak, and just a week after
[00:03:17] the elections, the head of the Higher Public Prosecutor's Office, Nenad Stefanović, claims that
[00:03:21] there is no connection between Kricka's arrest and the election
[00:03:24] results. Internal conflict in security
[00:03:28] structures, distancing from... police loyalists of the previous
[00:03:31] regime or a step towards achieving justice, what do the findings
[00:03:35] of the radar, which echoed on Sunday, reveal to us? This
[00:03:38] morning's guest is the former inspector of the Criminal Police Directorate,
[00:03:42] Milan Dumanović. Mr. Dumanović, good day, thank you for being here. Good day. Good
[00:03:46] day. Uh, now, uh, let's not ignore the statement
[00:03:49] of the higher public prosecutor, uh, how do you see the election
[00:03:53] results as uh,
[00:03:55] a context that perhaps accelerated the process within the Ministry of Interior, and are
[00:03:59] we witnessing something that is
[00:04:02] spontaneously uh controlled or uncontrolled
[00:04:05] breakdown of the previous system and hierarchy within the security
[00:04:09] structures? This is an uncontrolled breakdown
[00:04:11] and but in it we have in this
[00:04:14] in this period in which the effective power should be taken over
[00:04:18] by the new, i.e. those who
[00:04:21] won the elections, we have some who
[00:04:24] are trying, it happens daily, every hour, every
[00:04:28] day since the results were announced, they are trying to switch
[00:04:32] to this side, that's how I see what happened yesterday with the arrest
[00:04:35] of Marko Kricka, given that Neja Stefanović is
[00:04:39] a man who has been silent for years about everything that was happening, first Neja
[00:04:42] Stefanović would never have been in that position if it weren't for the Serbian Progressive
[00:04:45] Party, let's be clear, so that must be said clearly and loudly,
[00:04:49] a man who was unprovoked
[00:04:52] came to that position, a man who defended the Serbian Progressive Party and all
[00:04:55] the crimes they committed against the citizens of the Republic of Serbia, so he covered
[00:04:59] all that up. And his department for combating corruption
[00:05:02] and so on, and he, he is the arrest of Marko
[00:05:06] Kricka and that, well, imagine, according to a criminal
[00:05:10] complaint filed by a lawyer. This
[00:05:13] person is trying to prove how he is now suddenly
[00:05:16] working, this, uh, I, I would immediately add
[00:05:20] that uh, that with Mr. Nenad
[00:05:23] Stefanović, the case that he
[00:05:27] uh closed, the sonic weapon, needs to be reopened to see if it was really
[00:05:31] used, because I don't believe them at all, I mean, neither do I nor
[00:05:34] probably most of the public in Serbia, so that higher public
[00:05:38] prosecutor's office. As for Marko Kricka, so
[00:05:41] Veselin Milić, they are part of the same system, absolutely, so
[00:05:45] both of them, so they should be where Marko Kricka ended up yesterday, and
[00:05:49] what's interesting, you mentioned that based on the complaint of lawyer Veselin
[00:05:53] Milić, actually Marko Kricka became
[00:05:56] known to the public let's say
[00:05:59] at the moment when student
[00:06:02] Nikolina Sinđelić after a protest
[00:06:05] brought up uh allegations, i.e. conveyed
[00:06:08] accusations, actually, I apologize, that Marko
[00:06:12] Kricka even threatened rape, we have no
[00:06:16] proceedings for that case, so Marko Kricka
[00:06:20] is now being arrested for some other case, Senjak,
[00:06:23] which has a lot of contradictions all these
[00:06:26] months, precisely what prosecutor Stefanović said,
[00:06:30] that it has nothing to do with the elections, it absolutely has to do with the elections, Marko Kricka would not have
[00:06:34] been arrested if the election results had been different, simple
[00:06:37] thing, so he was arrested by these policemen who did not
[00:06:41] act for years. They did not act on citizens' reports
[00:06:45] against, for example, Marko Kricka and all his associates, there are as many of them in the MUP as
[00:06:48] you want, so that's what, that's what is happening
[00:06:52] now, so
[00:06:54] uh
[00:06:57] everything related to solving therefore those
[00:07:01] proceedings that we had and those affairs and
[00:07:04] those criminal acts and enormous crime, actually
[00:07:07] overall that existed all the time while the Serbian Progressive Party was in
[00:07:11] power, must work. uh the new government must work,
[00:07:14] so only when we establish new bodies, so we bring new prosecutors
[00:07:18] into the police, in the police we get a new director, a new
[00:07:22] minister, his advisors, only then can we start the fight
[00:07:25] against this, truly
[00:07:28] a fight against crime, what happened yesterday, that is not, so it is simply not
[00:07:32] because Neja Stefanović, I say, this Marko
[00:07:35] Kricka, Boško Sekulović,
[00:07:38] and those two brought in for informational interviews, so for... the deputy
[00:07:44] and and this, yes, the deputy head of SBPOK, because he was never officially appointed to
[00:07:47] the position of head of SBPOK, Marko Safirović, because the prosecutor did not agree,
[00:07:51] the prosecutor for organized crime must agree for someone to be able to become
[00:07:54] this head and this
[00:07:58] Marić, svi oni su deo istog sistema i oni moraju sutra da napuste mogu da li
[00:08:02] onda to vidite kao nestao je politički kišobran pa se
[00:08:05] žrtvuje jedan radiostatka o tako je naravno naravno
[00:08:08] ovaj ovih dana dakle ja ne mogu sad da
[00:08:11] iznosim... "šta ja dobijam koje informacije koje kakve ja
[00:08:15] pozive dobijam a znam da ih dobijaju i ljudi za koje se
[00:08:18] pretpostavlja da će sutra biti najviši rukovodioci
[00:08:22] mupa, dakle to je da svi pokušavaju ovaj da
[00:08:25] jedne uh da da do juče najbolje najbriži saradnici
[00:08:29] sad pokušavaju da operu tu svoju biografiju, ali što neće moći zato
[00:08:32] što to to nije igranje, to nije
[00:08:35] crime they committed and they will have to
[00:08:39] answer, so I call on everyone to follow in the coming..." days what
[00:08:43] is happening, we really need to help these new uh
[00:08:47] let's say new authorities in the fight against that crime because
[00:08:50] it is incredible, so in the MUP alone you have such
[00:08:53] a number of people who have committed criminal acts, I will just
[00:08:57] remind your viewers if I may, so uh
[00:09:01] the department for the department for observation
[00:09:04] which is now called that, that is the department where I worked, so abbreviated OZO,
[00:09:08] so it is led by Branislav Milenković who worked in JZO with Marko Kricka
[00:09:12] and became head, that is, yes, head of the intelligence
[00:09:15] affairs section, participated in that beating, he is in those photographs and
[00:09:19] video recordings, this uh, beating
[00:09:22] of students from August last year, so that is
[00:09:25] the man, that is, that department is uh,
[00:09:29] completely, and I got that as testimony,
[00:09:32] they secretly followed Miša Ognjanović, what will we do about
[00:09:36] that? Well, people, they led the man to
[00:09:38] murder, yes, that's what should be done with those people, we should...
[00:09:44] Do you think the new government can count on, so to speak,
[00:09:47] clean inspectors within the UKP who would be willing
[00:09:51] to prosecute their former colleagues? Yes, there are
[00:09:54] enough of them, uh, are there enough
[00:09:57] of them, I'm not entirely sure, so but
[00:10:00] there are people outside the MUP who
[00:10:03] uh, due to circumstances, had to leave the MUP, so they were forced
[00:10:07] to leave, people who were retired who must
[00:10:11] return in some way. This, how
[00:10:14] could we carry out the reform, because without it, there's nothing,
[00:10:18] uh, uh, I, I constantly try to
[00:10:21] explain to people that if it weren't for these people in the MUP, first of all,
[00:10:25] this MUP, of course, we wouldn't even
[00:10:28] have this government at all, so the regime
[00:10:31] and politics are one thing, but when that regime starts
[00:10:35] working and starts dealing with crime, who is there to prosecute that,
[00:10:38] so the prosecution, the police, that's it, they
[00:10:42] are, they, they are all part of one mafia criminal regime and they all must
[00:10:46] leave. Oh, when we talk about those big cases, for example,
[00:10:49] Kričak has now been arrested in connection with the Senjak case,
[00:10:53] we will remember that... "the Higher Public
[00:10:57] Prosecutor's Office almost daily issued some
[00:11:00] statements that were contradictory to each other, and still
[00:11:03] regarding that case we have many ambiguities, as well as about
[00:11:06] the role of Veselin Milić in that
[00:11:09] case where the initial accusations were changed,
[00:11:13] then they were later changed, and now it is said that Kričak, therefore,
[00:11:16] that the cameras were not, the evidence was not
[00:11:19] delivered in a timely manner, and so on and so forth, uh, how much
[00:11:23] now in this transition. and before that, those processes can
[00:11:27] have a fair epilogue if we take into
[00:11:30] account potential contamination of
[00:11:34] evidentiary material, influence possibly on
[00:11:37] witnesses, on the whole process, uh,
[00:11:41] that whole, that whole procedure that you say
[00:11:44] must follow some legal procedure, so
[00:11:48] the assembly must be formed, the government must,
[00:11:51] other bodies must take over for all of that to be... legal when
[00:11:55] it starts, when taking those steps starts, for us to start
[00:11:59] cleaning this state
[00:12:03] organs, so related to security, so here
[00:12:06] Veselin Milić specifically, so what is now being charged to Kričak,
[00:12:10] that has nothing to do with what Veselin Milić has before the first
[00:12:13] basic court, what he will have in the trial, so
[00:12:16] the man, the first man of the Belgrade police, in the end only
[00:12:20] that was charged to him, he did not report that a murder had happened, that
[00:12:24] man... that man should not even be in the MUP, he should have
[00:12:27] been, he should have been prosecuted, not prosecuted,
[00:12:31] but expelled from the MUP, I have to use that word,
[00:12:34] and he still sits in the MUP, but the first reactions
[00:12:38] of the top authorities then were very harsh towards Veselin
[00:12:41] Milić, then they gradually softened as
[00:12:44] the framework of the proceedings
[00:12:48] changed, well because that speaks of his, his
[00:12:52] strength, which was institutional, I apologize for that. Because
[00:12:55] Veselin Milić expected different election results, completely different
[00:12:59] and he wanted to arrest Marko
[00:13:02] Kričak, uh, to be the new
[00:13:05] police director, which will be, what is this about? It has been talked about for some
[00:13:09] time, and then in that Senjak case, but of course also before that,
[00:13:13] about some different factions
[00:13:15] within the security structures, primarily within
[00:13:19] different police units. Now you
[00:13:21] are making such a claim that he would...
[00:13:25] possibly arrest Marko Kričak, what kind of
[00:13:28] conflict within those structures is this about? About
[00:13:32] a conflict in which, uh, someone
[00:13:35] has to curry favor with the main one, that is, we all knew
[00:13:39] who it was, Aleksandar Vučić, to be closest to Aleksandar Vučić
[00:13:42] so that he can manage, control
[00:13:46] everything that happens in the security system, because that was very important to
[00:13:49] the previous government, and for that he receives great benefits, what
[00:13:53] your viewers must know, and I'm sure they already know,
[00:13:57] so uh,
[00:14:00] the main truth here is that they are all part of the same system, so none of
[00:14:03] them who advanced in 2014 in the security
[00:14:06] system, I'm talking about the MUP especially, is
[00:14:10] clean, so they all came only because they
[00:14:13] had the support of the SNS, no one
[00:14:17] could be appointed if they were not suitable, loyal
[00:14:20] to the ruling party, so that never happened before,
[00:14:24] so no... "You can invite as many guests as you want, this
[00:14:28] colleague of mine will tell you that our employments, so
[00:14:31] employments in the MUP, and every further promotion, were never like
[00:14:35] they were in the previous 12 years when they were in power,
[00:14:39] so Marko Kricka, let's remind the citizens, Marko Kricka
[00:14:42] came as a car salesman or manager, whatever he was at Porsche, and
[00:14:46] with seven years of experience, he took over the criminal police department,
[00:14:49] the people he manages in the MUP are people with 20,
[00:14:53] 25 years of experience. "and some of his subordinates
[00:14:56] arrested him, well, some yes,
[00:14:59] they didn't dare all these years, then they
[00:15:03] used that period when they could, so
[00:15:06] that it's all just their game that simply won't
[00:15:10] pass, I say that
[00:15:13] personally, I am personally very satisfied
[00:15:17] with what I hear and what will happen in the Ministry of Internal
[00:15:20] Affairs, there are many colleagues, so a huge number of colleagues who support
[00:15:24] these new changes and expect all these people to be
[00:15:27] removed from the MUP, to be dismissed and for finally
[00:15:31] some healthy leadership to take over the MUP, yes, but we all have to help them
[00:15:35] in that, and while that game lasts, do you have any knowledge that at this
[00:15:39] moment in the MUP there might
[00:15:42] be panic and who actually controls the key databases, secret files?
[00:15:46] Panic, panic and fear are
[00:15:49] enormous, I personally could hear and see that,
[00:15:52] uh, but of the leaders, so as for the
[00:15:56] perpetrators, my colleagues, our colleagues, so they are more than
[00:15:59] happy that this happened and that and especially they hope that it
[00:16:03] will happen in the future, and as for the data...
[00:16:07] and there was some
[00:16:10] destruction, however, a lot has been
[00:16:13] preserved, I have information from my friends that the
[00:16:17] Security Information Agency, i.e. its members, managed to
[00:16:20] save almost the entire documentation, so
[00:16:23] this, you saw the case of
[00:16:26] wiretapping judges, so yes, prosecutors, the prosecutor's office for
[00:16:30] organized crime including Mladen Nenadić, not to, not to
[00:16:34] quote, those are radar findings, so yes, in that context. So
[00:16:37] we know that some data about
[00:16:41] those who criticized the government, so
[00:16:45] private matters were released to
[00:16:48] compromise critics of the government, that the Security
[00:16:51] and Information Agency, as our guests often say,
[00:16:54] was misused for such needs
[00:16:58] instead of doing its job, uh, so
[00:17:02] collecting intelligence data in the interest of the state
[00:17:05] and this society. How do you see that the reform
[00:17:09] of the Security Information Agency, which is constantly
[00:17:12] talked about as one of the
[00:17:15] biggest problems when those structures are
[00:17:19] concerned, should come about? Security, I saw what
[00:17:22] Appellate Court Judge Milimir Lukić said and I completely agree,
[00:17:26] I've been talking about that for seven or eight years since your colleagues first
[00:17:29] called me, so the Security Information Agency must be
[00:17:33] completely demolished and we should create some new agency, some
[00:17:37] new service, whatever someone has already called it, so I am not
[00:17:41] skilled enough, there are many people who deal with that who
[00:17:45] also want that, but simply this can no longer
[00:17:48] exist, so that service doesn't know what
[00:17:51] it's for, it really doesn't know, this, if you, if
[00:17:54] you, uh, if you come to some service that should
[00:17:58] be an elite service and you allow yourself
[00:18:01] that someone can order you and you agree to listen to
[00:18:05] judges, prosecutors, well... colleagues, police officers, journalists and what
[00:18:09] not, well, then you know nothing, you learned nothing, you
[00:18:13] have to leave there, there are those models, so
[00:18:16] there are various models, dismissals, uh,
[00:18:20] commissions, re-employment and so on, but simply that service must
[00:18:24] cease to exist, uh, because that legacy, so
[00:18:28] the RDB, UDBA, that never fell apart, so they
[00:18:31] just took over and changed the name in 2002 when they
[00:18:34] were formed under that name or 2003, they took over the same
[00:18:38] building, the same facilities, all that must collapse, just as I say, so I
[00:18:42] will, I will constantly, as much as I can, criticize the new government if it doesn't do what
[00:18:45] it should in the MUP, so people can no longer stay, so we cannot
[00:18:49] forget what those people did, look, now these
[00:18:53] new authorities are being flattered by people like that Grebić, Vladimir, who
[00:18:57] signed some appeal, the man is, our colleagues,
[00:19:00] that is, my colleagues, can testify what he did, so
[00:19:04] our colleagues on the road stop some person who they immediately... call for
[00:19:07] him, calls and he says let him go, now that man signs in 2017, again we are talking
[00:19:11] about OZO, about that department, now that man signs an appeal, what kind of
[00:19:15] appeal are you signing? Well, that time, where to talk about the appeal
[00:19:18] that members of security services signed before
[00:19:21] the elections, to act according to the law, his photograph
[00:19:25] in the same, this, in the same, uh,
[00:19:28] pardon, uh, at the Partizan stadium, in the lodge with
[00:19:32] Belivuk and the crew, and that man signs an appeal, or Nikola
[00:19:36] Popović or someone like that. Now these people are trying to get through again, but they won't
[00:19:39] succeed. And you are now mentioning 2017, let's go back two more years,
[00:19:43] 2015, Milan Trbović, you went through
[00:19:47] years of persecution because of the
[00:19:50] Potočari case, uh, today in new social circumstances, uh, is
[00:19:53] it time for institutional rehabilitation of
[00:19:56] police officers, inspectors, whistleblowers like Katarina Petrović and
[00:20:00] Aleksandar Obradović who is not in the security system, but they suffered
[00:20:03] because they defended the law, how can the state...
[00:20:07] extend, I think that question, it's good that you
[00:20:11] ask it, but it's not for me, and as for these colleagues you mentioned, so
[00:20:15] Katarina Petrović, absolutely, the woman
[00:20:18] is still working, so I also supported
[00:20:21] publicly where I could that request
[00:20:25] of students and the student list in Valjevo for her to be immediately reinstated,
[00:20:29] so and so the system has in her
[00:20:32] case very easily, so an extraordinary promotion for her to really
[00:20:36] get something because she showed, she showed that we need such police officers,
[00:20:39] so Serbia should have such police officers, that is, the MUP, not, not some
[00:20:43] others. As for Mladen Trbović and me, I can tell you
[00:20:47] on behalf of both of us, so our satisfaction will only come when... when
[00:20:50] we see that these people who are criminals within
[00:20:53] the MUP are held accountable, that is our, that is our satisfaction, and just
[00:20:57] briefly, there are great expectations that after the change of power
[00:21:01] justice will come to all structures, especially in security ones, you
[00:21:05] mentioned some who you say cannot boast of
[00:21:08] professionalism, do you think
[00:21:11] it is possible to completely cleanse that
[00:21:15] system and only those who are in accordance with the law and do we have the capacity
[00:21:19] to completely exclude those who have
[00:21:22] suddenly, so to speak, changed sides? We
[00:21:25] have the capacity, but we need, so the public to be
[00:21:29] fully involved, so that we first open it to the public,
[00:21:32] that uh, even if the pressure is like these days
[00:21:36] to continue, so because this fight cannot last three months,
[00:21:40] six months, a year or five years, this must last constantly until
[00:21:44] we don't renew that system so that our students
[00:21:47] at the military, at the police, pardon, academy, uh, learn
[00:21:51] how this must never happen again. Thank you very much for
[00:21:55] this conversation, this was our topic of the morning and guest
[00:21:58] Milan Dumanović, retired inspector.
[00:22:21] In Nova newspaper on Monday, read: Vučić has been overthrown,
[00:22:24] but a harder task follows, changing the system. The governor and
[00:22:28] the National Bank of Serbia bear responsibility for the collapse and bankruptcy of Alta
[00:22:31] Bank. The arrest of Marko Kričak as a continuation of a small dispute among
[00:22:34] loyalists. Buy, photograph, share, and support
[00:22:38] Nova Newspaper. Don't let them
[00:22:40] shut it down.
[00:22:42] I'm Tanja Veselinović, watch
[00:22:45] N1.
[00:22:48] Watch Dan U. Live today from 4:30 PM.
[00:30:19] Good afternoon, this is N1 news at 4 PM, I am Ivana
[00:30:22] Terzić, here's an overview of the most important events
[00:30:24] of the day.
[00:30:29] Davor Macura was ordered to be detained by the prosecutor's office.
[00:30:32] for organized crime Tok announced that three people were arrested in
[00:30:36] connection with the removal of money, previously the search
[00:30:39] of Alta Bank lasted from Saturday and bankruptcy was
[00:30:42] declared.
[00:30:45] Hearings continue in connection with the Senjak case and the arrest
[00:30:48] of the head of the Criminal Police Department, Marko
[00:30:50] Kričak.
[00:30:53] The list of Usame Zukurlić, the Movement for Unification, managed
[00:30:57] to enter parliament and will have one post.