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[00:00:00] they stood up and said, the Home Minister should come to the House and answer
[00:00:03] it. So, Rijiju said the opposition's aim is just to create a commotion.
[00:00:07] करना
[00:00:13] In the monsoon session of the Jharkhand Assembly, the opposition cornered the Soren government.
[00:00:16] In the paper scam case, the BJP said there should be a CBI inquiry,
[00:00:20] and the culprits should be punished. The government said, we are with the students.
[00:00:24] हैं
[00:00:28] Heavy rains in Delhi NCR worsened the situation. Traffic jams due to waterlogging in many places.
[00:00:32] Gurugram Police's
[00:00:33] advisory:
[00:00:38] Do not travel
[00:00:39] unnecessarily.
[00:00:45] NDTV shines at the BCS Ratna Award. Syed Sohail received the Best Prime Time Anchor Award.
[00:00:49] NDTV 24/7 became the Best English News Channel.
[00:00:52] Manogya Loiwal received the Best Election Coverage Award
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[00:01:00] टीवी ने अपने नाम किए,
[00:01:05] he goes to the 42nd grade,
[00:01:16] The regret is, it hurts too. Our
[00:01:20] And if a leader goes thousands of children have been sitting in heavy rains for the last
[00:01:24] said about it? What does this mean? 14 days.
[00:01:27] The government's doors are open for everyone. When
[00:01:30] such corrupt people are
[00:01:32] A delegation of the Congress party seated, it
[00:01:33] won't happen.
[00:01:38] Yes, there has to be
[00:01:39] a dialogue with the government.
[00:01:42] We don't hate you, Dad. We love you very much. It's just a fight against the system.
[00:01:46] This fight is against your wrong policies. If you had talked to us in an open forum,
[00:01:50] a proper decision could have been made. It should be clear whether our
[00:01:54] demands are being met or not. Rahul Gandhi ji, we
[00:01:58] are with the students.
[00:02:07] Namaskar, it's 3 pm and I'm Manogya
[00:02:11] Loiwal with you. You're watching Teen Ka Tarkash. After
[00:02:14] Delhi's Jantar Mantar, Jharkhand's Ranchi movement
[00:02:18] seems to be becoming a new center. For the last 14 days, students
[00:02:21] have been protesting and fasting for their demands. They allege that
[00:02:25] there were large-scale irregularities in the 14th JPSC examination,
[00:02:29] so the examination should be canceled and re-conducted, and
[00:02:32] the entire matter should be investigated by the CBI. Students claim that seats were sold
[00:02:36] by taking money in the recruitment process. It is alleged that
[00:02:40] candidates were benefited by taking from 50 lakh
[00:02:44] to one crore rupees, due to which many external candidates were selected.
[00:02:47] However, these allegations have not been officially confirmed. Currently, the CID
[00:02:51] is investigating the matter. Chief Minister Hemant Soren says
[00:02:54] that the government is in dialogue with the students
[00:02:58] and all their concerns will be heard, but no clear announcement has been
[00:03:01] made yet on the demand for an inquiry. Meanwhile, the BJP has
[00:03:05] accused the Congress and Jharkhand Mukti Morcha of ignoring the students
[00:03:09] and questioned why the opposition, which raised its voice for the student movement
[00:03:14] I say again through in Delhi, is silent on the students of Jharkhand. So today, we will have a big debate
[00:03:18] on this issue. We will also have some special guests with us, but before that, some
[00:03:21] questions: Who will listen to the students
[00:03:24] of Jharkhand? Will there be a CBI inquiry into the rigging
[00:03:28] in the examination? Will the big
[00:03:30] opposition leaders go to Ranchi?
[00:03:33] with full sensitivity And the biggest question: Why this dual politics on students? I will have a
[00:03:36] long panel joining me, but students will also join me, and let's go
[00:03:40] to the students first, because Rajkumar Rawani and
[00:03:44] Lavkush are both joining me from Jharkhand, from Ranchi, at this time.
[00:03:47] A very warm welcome to both of you, Lavkush and Rajkumar. The first
[00:03:51] question, Mahto ji had already drunk water, but after that,
[00:03:55] he is not breaking his fast, and what is the first and biggest demand
[00:03:59] to the children from the government?
[00:04:30] Corruption has increased so much, ma'am, it has increased so much
[00:04:34] that people are frustrated. Here,
[00:04:37] the Jharkhand government is openly
[00:04:40] selling papers.
[00:04:43] The Hemant government says that the paper was not leaked. The paper
[00:04:46] is not leaked here, the paper is sold
[00:04:49] here. Meaning, if the rate of JPSC
[00:04:52] रेट
[00:04:56] is, hello, the government is saying that we are ready to accept your demands
[00:05:00] and has ordered an inquiry.
[00:05:03] Do you feel satisfied with this
[00:05:06] now?
[00:05:08] There has been no such dialogue for the demand yet. We are
[00:05:37] currently talking about the huge corruption that has happened in JPSC, Abhay Kumar Tiwari has been caught in JPSC, caught in JPSC,
[00:05:41] caught in JSSC CGL, and then caught in the PGT
[00:05:44] 2023 exam. This person, Abhay Kumar Tiwari,
[00:05:48] has appeared in all three exams, ma'am.
[00:05:52] First, Abhay Tiwari gets selected in PGT
[00:05:54] in Plus Two English. He
[00:05:58] is first in English. After that,
[00:06:01] English, ma'am, PGT is of 48 grade pay.
[00:06:05] After that, he
[00:06:08] and there he gets the second rank of BSO
[00:06:12] and leaving the 48th grade pay,
[00:06:17] ma'am, and there Abhay Kumar Tiwari
[00:06:21] commits such a huge scam that he is a setter.
[00:06:24] He used to find people and
[00:06:27] in Jharkhand, he used to give jobs to everyone
[00:06:30] by taking money. Is it true that there is a fixed rate card in Jharkhand? Please tell me about the rate card. What is
[00:06:36] Yes, here
[00:06:40] the red card is that if you want to become a DSP,
[00:06:43] then it's one and a half crore here. If you want to become a
[00:06:47] DSP, one and a half crore. And
[00:06:50] if you want to become an ASO in CGL, then 35
[00:06:54] lakh. And if you want to become a
[00:06:56] TGT and PGT Plus Two teacher, then 25 lakh.
[00:07:00] And out of this, Abhay Kumar Tiwari was caught,
[00:07:03] and the CID is also investigating this, which clearly
[00:07:07] shows that Abhay Kumar
[00:07:10] Tiwari was found in all three, and this
[00:07:14] truth has reached the government, which is why
[00:07:18] we are sitting in protest. Tell me, has anyone ever
[00:07:21] asked you for money? Have you tried to pay money to pass the exam?
[00:07:25] This is an open rate running here
[00:07:29] in Jharkhand, ma'am. It's an open rate.
[00:07:33] Don't you complain to the police that you will become a DSP? Instead of complaining to the police,
[00:07:37] you are paying money to become a DSP.
[00:07:40] The police are with the government, ma'am. Here, money is given to become a DSP.
[00:07:44] There is a rate chart here, ma'am. Now, here, to become a DSP,
[00:07:48] there is a rate. Give one and a half crore and become a DSP
[00:07:51] here. Here, qualified students are not needed. Here,
[00:07:55] unqualified students are needed. Those who have money can get a job
[00:07:59] here. It hurts to see you. What do your family members
[00:08:02] say? Where will we get so much money? Will we prepare for money first or for
[00:08:06] studies? Family members said, "Get out of the house.
[00:08:10] You have ruined your life. There is no place for you in your house."
[00:08:14] Why?
[00:08:17] Our age is over, ma'am. Where do we go? Where do we get that much money?
[00:08:20] We have never seen 25 lakh rupees
[00:08:22] to date. So where will we give 25 lakh rupees
[00:08:26] to the government? The government here needs money. Give money
[00:08:30] and get a job. It's open. Look, Abhay Kumar
[00:08:34] Tiwari, who is yours, has been caught. This is true. This
[00:08:37] confirms that Abhay Kumar Tiwari sat in CGL
[00:08:40] and in PGT. This site is active. The government is watching, but the government
[00:08:44] is silent. The government says that we will form a team.
[00:08:47] And it seems,
[00:08:51] I want to understand from you, Rajkumar ji and Lavkush ji, that
[00:08:54] do the students of Ranchi feel that if this protest was happening in Delhi,
[00:08:57] perhaps big leaders would have come there? All the leaders of the opposition
[00:09:01] had reached Delhi's Jantar Mantar, but could not reach Ranchi.
[00:09:03] Yes, ma'am, this is a very
[00:09:07] good question you asked. This Jharkhand
[00:09:10] is a poor state, ma'am. This Jharkhand is a poor
[00:09:13] state. Delhi is a metro city. That's why everyone goes there to shine
[00:09:17] their face, both ruling and opposition. But till now,
[00:09:21] no one has come to this place where we are protesting.
[00:09:25] Only our students are sitting peacefully
[00:09:28] and protesting, and we are demanding the government
[00:09:32] that as soon as possible, this exam should be canceled, and those
[00:09:36] who got in illegally should be sent to jail.
[00:09:39] Devendra, we saw
[00:10:02] a student movement in Delhi, and now we are seeing one in Ranchi. What is the difference between the two? You tell
[00:10:04] me. There is a lot of difference, ma'am. Here, we
[00:10:08] are protesting peacefully, and in Delhi,
[00:10:12] it was a little different. But I don't want to elaborate much. We are
[00:10:16] requesting the government with folded hands, with folded
[00:10:20] hands, that whoever has joined illegally
[00:10:23] here should be sent to jail and the vacancy
[00:10:27] should be canceled. If the government does not cancel it,
[00:10:30] then we will not leave Jaipal Singh
[00:10:34] Munda from here. We will die here, but we will not go
[00:10:38] home. You are saying a very big thing. Union Minister of State for Defence, Sanjay
[00:10:42] Seth ji, is joining me. Sanjay ji, you also come from there. You are also hearing
[00:10:46] the voice of these students. As a Union Minister, what is your answer?
[00:10:48] Firstly,
[00:10:52] look, from the very first day, we have been with the students'
[00:10:55] demand for a CBI inquiry and an
[00:10:59] ED inquiry into the money involvement,
[00:11:03] because there was no paper leak there, but rather
[00:11:06] each seat was sold. My younger
[00:11:10] brother rightly said, I have been shouting from day one that
[00:11:14] if you give one and a half crore rupees for DSP, you will become a DSP.
[00:11:17] Give 20-25 lakh rupees and become an assistant teacher.
[00:11:20] If you want to go to the Forest Department, 40 lakh. If you want to become a junior
[00:11:23] engineer, 80 lakh.
[00:12:03] The Congress questions the BJP. Now, when
[00:12:06] a protest is happening here, because the BJP is not in power,
[00:12:09] hence a different attitude. The opposition says that the BJP's double
[00:12:13] standard is visible. We are
[00:12:15] with the students' demands from day one.
[00:12:19] And I told you, didn't I, this
[00:12:22] in itself is a very big message to the youth of the entire Hindustan,
[00:12:26] the way the children of Ranchi protested and fasted for
[00:12:29] 13-14 days without any
[00:12:33] without any noise,
[00:12:37] without any slogans against anyone. No sedition, no slogans against
[00:12:41] India, no slogans against caste,
[00:12:44] no slogans against individuals. I mean,
[00:12:48] you understand, in a very civilized way, and the biggest democracy
[00:12:52] in the world has democratic rights.
[00:13:25] Will you sit and ask for his resignation? Oh, have mercy on the children.
[00:13:28] They are your children, your daughters, your
[00:13:31] younger brothers. Why are you not conducting a CBI inquiry?
[00:13:35] Oh, what is the demand? Look at that. This is an eyewash.
[00:13:38] Eyewash? Get a CID inquiry done. Eyewash? We formed
[00:13:42] a committee. On the first day, a committee of two ministers was formed. Alright, Sanjay ji,
[00:13:45] we will wait to see what action both the central and state governments
[00:13:49] take on this, because this is a question of students. Sanjay ji, thank you very much for
[00:13:53] joining us. But we must tell you that this is the voice of the students,
[00:13:57] and we will continue to raise their voice on NDTV. Dr. Neelam Mishra
[00:14:00] is joining me, spokesperson of Jharkhand Mukti Morcha. Jharkhand Mukti Morcha
[00:14:04] has a government in Jharkhand.
[00:14:06] What will you say, Neelam ji? You are hearing that children are saying that jobs are being sold,
[00:14:10] and if they go to complain to the police, they will have to pay money first to become a DSP.
[00:14:14] What is happening?
[00:14:16] है,
[00:14:19] First of all, I would like to say that what happened
[00:14:24] in Jharkhand has emerged as a situation today
[00:14:27] where it is no longer an issue of just one state, it has become a national issue.
[00:14:31] You see in Uttar Pradesh how the paper was leaked.
[00:14:35] किस प्रकार का पेपर लिख हुआ,
[00:14:38] Please answer for Jharkhand. The students of Jharkhand are connected. We will talk about Uttar Pradesh
[00:14:41] in another show. First, Jharkhand. You are responsible for Jharkhand. Your
[00:14:45] government is there. I just asked the Union Minister of State for Defence.
[00:14:49] Now I am asking you the question about the Jharkhand government.
[00:15:06] Kashmir, right? The students of Jharkhand are connected. We are talking about
[00:15:10] Jharkhand. The students of Jharkhand are asking questions. They are alleging
[00:15:13] that jobs are being sold. You will present your side on behalf of the government,
[00:15:16] won't you? Where were the cameras at Jantar Mantar? Why
[00:15:20] didn't we see so many cameras at Jantar Mantar? Why
[00:15:24] not? Yes, why didn't the people of Bharatiya Janata Party
[00:15:28] appear there? Our channel has covered it completely.
[00:15:32] No, no, Neelam ji, Neelam ji, you will have to answer
[00:15:35] the students of Jharkhand. You are in power there.
[00:15:39] It's your government. The children are asking. The students are asking, when will
[00:15:43] justice be served? Please answer them.
[00:15:46] I am here to answer.
[00:15:53] that Jharkhand cannot be compared to any other state in India.
[00:15:57] The day the matter regarding JPSC in Jharkhand
[00:16:00] came to the notice of Hemant Soren ji, the Honorable Chief Minister, he took action
[00:16:04] overnight. He ordered a CID inquiry, and
[00:16:08] overnight, a raid was conducted at JPSC,
[00:16:11] and the chairman there had to resign. Raids were conducted
[00:16:14] at full speed, till 2-3 AM. 15-15 people
[00:16:18] have been arrested. Abhay Dubey has been arrested.
[00:16:22] The son of Ashu, the BJP's coalition partner,
[00:16:26] Suman Saurav, has been found involved in this. Work is being done.
[00:16:29] Now, students are asking, will the government order a CBI inquiry
[00:16:33] for us?
[00:16:44] a CBI inquiry? Because the BJP didn't even say it.
[00:16:47] Not in my debate. Just now, Sanjay Seth ji
[00:16:50] said. I have noted down the point. Sanjay Seth ji, Seth ji said
[00:16:54] that there should be a CBI inquiry and an ED inquiry. And you are saying right now
[00:16:58] that the protesting students want to say something.
[00:17:38] I want a CIB, CIB, what do you call it, an ED and CBI
[00:17:53] answer, and with complete transparency, the CID
[00:17:56] can investigate, and that's why the CID is investigating, and every day the chairman
[00:18:00] has to go to the CID office. Take this positively.
[00:18:03] This has been done in your favor. Hemant ji has done this in your favor.
[00:18:07] Secondly, regarding the CBI and ED that you were talking
[00:18:11] about, you people keep saying CBI, CBI. What credibility do
[00:18:15] we have of CBI? You must know that
[00:18:19] when Babulal ji was the Chief Minister here, the first Chief Minister,
[00:18:22] at that time, the JPSC exam that happened, there was rigging in JPSC One
[00:18:26] and JPSC Two. At that time, positions were sold. At that time,
[00:18:30] papers were sold, and corruption came to light. That's why
[00:18:33] Babulal Marandi ji is called the patriarch of corruption here.
[00:18:37] Secondly, I want to say that we don't trust the CBI because
[00:18:41] the CBI was investigating at that time too. No report
[00:18:45] has come till today. 20 years have passed, and no investigation
[00:18:48] report from the CBI has come yet. And let me tell you another thing.
[00:18:52] The CBI was investigating, right? They were investigating Prafulla Patel ji.
[00:18:56] They were investigating Hemanta Biswa Sarma ji. They were investigating Suvendu Adhikari ji.
[00:18:59] They were investigating the Housing Scam. They were investigating the Adarsh
[00:19:03] Housing Scam. And leave that aside, 2014.
[00:19:06] 2014
[00:19:37] to fulfill our responsibility and to raise the voice of the youth of Jharkhand. I am also a
[00:19:41] Jharkhandi, madam. I am a youth of Jharkhand, and I understand their misgovernance very well,
[00:19:50] of the students and what kind of indecent and irresponsible
[00:19:53] statements the JMM spokesperson was making here.
[00:19:56] The first demand of the students is that the examinations that have been held
[00:20:00] should be canceled immediately, because the people who have been
[00:20:03] appointed there have been appointed through syndication. This is the first major demand
[00:20:06] that they are not speaking about. The second thing they said was about arrests.
[00:20:10] We also made arrests, didn't we? But the students' demand was for the resignation of Dharmendra Pradhan ji.
[00:20:14] We got votes. Now the students' demands are for a CBI inquiry and
[00:20:18] the cancellation of the examination there. But you will shirk your responsibility
[00:20:21] and there TDPS, TSR
[00:20:24] are two such companies that were blacklisted in many places. You call them
[00:20:28] and get OMR sheet verification done
[00:20:41] crime, education crime, in Jharkhand and go to
[00:20:44] Assam to teach, now when there are restrictions there, they are making
[00:20:48] Jharkhand a hub of crime.
[00:21:20] Does the Union Minister of State for Defence have no responsibilities of his own? Does the central
[00:21:23] government have no responsibilities of its own? Sitting in a TV studio
[00:21:27] and pursuing one's politics over students is very
[00:21:30] unfortunate. So the Union Minister of
[00:21:34] State for Defence,
[00:21:39] we bring guests who come from Jharkhand so that they can at least express their views there.
[00:21:43] Otherwise, will a Union Minister of State for Defence sit in a TV studio
[00:21:46] and talk about a rate card and shirk his responsibility? So this
[00:21:50] is a very wrong thing. Secondly, what Rishabh Tiwari ji was saying,
[00:21:54] is Rishabh Tiwari ji beyond this? Was the examination there not canceled?
[00:21:57] Did the chairman of JPSC
[00:22:01] not resign? I want to tell you through
[00:22:04] you that the movement there is going on in a very dignified manner,
[00:22:08] and in a very dignified manner today, Kharge ji The students are also asking why Rahul ji is not coming.
[00:22:11] He is a leader of the youth. Why is he not going to Jharkhand? The students have also
[00:22:15] asked this in our show.
[00:22:18] ने
[00:22:22] went with the students. The district president of Ranchi, I am naming him,
[00:22:25] Kumar Raja, went to the people, met the people, and the Congress
[00:22:29] party worked as a bridge between the student organization and the government.
[00:22:33] Now Rishabh Tiwari ji wants to change
[00:22:37] this entire narrative. He wants to make
[00:22:40] this entire narrative BJP versus Congress.
[00:22:43] हैं,
[00:22:46] The students are saying. Please tell me. They are saying that you are with the BJP.
[00:22:56] it was proved that Abhay Kumar Tiwari
[00:22:59] was caught in JPSC, he was caught in
[00:23:03] CGL, he was caught in PGT, then why is the government not canceling
[00:23:07] it yet? It should be canceled, right? Why is it not canceling
[00:23:10] it? Why is it stalling?
[00:23:24] isn't it? Everyone can see the students' suffering. Everyone wants a better
[00:23:27] future. It hurts to see these students, doesn't it?
[00:23:31] Why hasn't it been canceled
[00:24:20] I am saying that we are with the students,
[00:24:23] and seriousness, and look, the government is taking steps from day one
[00:24:27] in the interest of the students, in their favor, for their future,
[00:24:30] as much as possible.
[00:24:33] The government is ready to do it, and there will be concrete
[00:24:37] results. If needed, the exam will also be canceled. Abhay has been
[00:24:49] पड़ेगा.
[00:26:13] the reports that there is also politicization happening there, because
[00:26:16] the students are using this platform.
[00:26:20] The BJP is using this platform to escalate the student movement
[00:26:28] Neelam ji, I am taking an answer from the BJP. Answer, Rishabh ji.
[00:26:33] What is meant by using the platform, I will tell you.
[00:26:37] Gathering all the people and creating an anti-national narrative
[00:26:40] and saying that this corrupt government, my wish, my
[00:26:44] will, against Sita, against Nita, such statements
[00:26:48] should be made. But what slogan is being raised? The slogan being raised is, "We will
[00:26:51] eat salt and awaken the government. We will eat plain
[00:26:55] rice and overthrow the government." You are seeing
[00:26:58] a political slogan on this platform. These youth are crying. The youth are saying,
[00:27:02] our respected representative Babulal ji also went and sat with the students.
[00:27:06] He did not make a speech. He did not sit there with political agendas and dirty
[00:27:10] posters. This is true, isn't it, that if
[00:27:13] Congress and Aam Aadmi Party participate in a protest in Delhi, then that
[00:27:17] is not politicization. That is the voice of the students.
[00:27:22] there without a flag, then that becomes politics. Rajat ji, answer.
[00:27:26] Yes, the way Rishabh ji is comparing
[00:27:29] the movement that happened at Jantar Mantar with the Jharkhand movement,
[00:29:02] I am not comparing. I am just saying that since students are connected with me,
[00:29:06] let's at least talk about the welfare of the students. I say again through you,
[00:29:10] isn't it a good thing that in Jharkhand, you have said till now that the Congress party
[00:29:13] is completely with the students' demands.
[00:29:20] who ordered the use of pellet guns at Jantar Mantar?
[00:29:24] The spokesperson of the Bharatiya Janata Party should tell us here.
[00:29:28] Rishabh Tiwari, answer this. I would like to go to the students
[00:29:31] after that.
[00:29:42] telling you that whoever comes out to burn the country,
[00:29:45] whoever comes out to tear down the tricolor from the Red Fort,
[00:29:49] will face legal action every time. But answer in Jharkhand why
[00:29:52] the paper was leaked there.