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[00:00:27] Through your program,
[00:00:35] stand with those families
[00:01:00] has happened and against their associates, then somewhere or the other,
[00:01:03] now to divert people's attention, such things
[00:01:07] are being deliberately brought by the government
[00:01:10] so that division is created among people. They are silent on the death of five people.
[00:01:14] I mean, it's amazing, five people
[00:01:17] died, they were directly shot. There will
[00:01:20] not be a single word about their death. Who killed
[00:01:23] them? The inquiry that was conducted, the report
[00:01:27] that was submitted is correct. When the
[00:01:31] Samajwadi Party government was in power, this is a party expert in inciting riots.
[00:01:34] 1000 riots occurred in 5 years, 1200 lives
[00:01:38] were lost. The people, leaders of that party, know
[00:01:42] that if they had spoken in the context of offerings, immediate strict action would have been taken.
[00:01:46] Here, action is not taken on the basis of religion,
[00:01:49] but on the basis of deeds. The killer is also the witness,
[00:01:52] also the lawyer, and also the judge. The BJP
[00:01:56] has nothing but Hindu-Muslim prayers,
[00:02:00] Hindu Pakistan.
[00:02:02] The guests joining
[00:02:07] me, I will introduce them. Joining us is BJP National
[00:02:11] Spokesperson Prem Shukla ji. Prem ji, it's been a long time since you
[00:02:14] came on Sawaal India. At this moment, Mohammad Faizan
[00:02:18] Khan is joining me. He is the National Convener
[00:02:22] of MRN. We also have Maulana Sajid Rashidi,
[00:02:25] President of All India Imam Association. I'm starting with Prem Shukla ji
[00:02:38] first because the question
[00:02:42] is directly posed by the Samajwadi Party
[00:02:46] that you guys released the Sambhal inquiry
[00:02:50] report before the elections so that the atmosphere
[00:02:53] could be polarized, so that the opposition would not
[00:02:57] ask questions about donation theft and remain entangled in this.
[00:03:05] No, it is necessary to expose the truth
[00:03:09] about the Sambhal riots, isn't it? Is it not the
[00:03:12] government's responsibility to expose
[00:03:16] those
[00:03:18] an organized report who created riots, threw stones,
[00:03:20] fired shots, and caused loss of life
[00:03:23] in Sambhal through a well-planned
[00:03:27] conspiracy? Is it not the government's
[00:03:31] responsibility to take action against such people?
[00:03:34] The government is ready to discuss all
[00:03:38] other issues. We are ready to discuss every
[00:03:41] topic. But as soon as we expose
[00:03:44] the distorted faces in the riots,
[00:03:48] Muslims to throw stones, why does the whining
[00:03:51] of the Indy Alliance, including the Samajwadi Party, begin
[00:03:54] in the Indy Alliance? This is also a question,
[00:03:58] isn't it, that those who have a distorted history
[00:04:01] of constantly inciting riots in this country,
[00:04:05] instead of accepting responsibility when exposed
[00:04:08] as responsible for the riot incident,
[00:04:12] and instead of taking action against those who incited
[00:04:15] the riots, the expectation is that the Samajwadi Party
[00:04:19] should take action against Ziaur Rahman Barq
[00:04:23] who incited the riots, against the MLA who incited the riots.
[00:04:27] What place do rioters have in our party?
[00:04:30] So they are instead trying to cover them up,
[00:04:34] which in itself is extremely unfortunate
[00:04:37] that you harbor rioters, activate
[00:04:40] rioters, instigate violent
[00:04:44] activities, and then if such
[00:04:48] violent jackals are exposed, you start whining again.
[00:04:51] This is amazing. You said,
[00:04:55] I am going to Sunil ji. Sunil ji, I think you have understood
[00:04:58] Prem ji. I don't need to repeat it.
[00:05:02] Do you think that a report of an inquiry committee came,
[00:05:06] it was presented, is it right to link it with offering theft?
[00:05:10] You mean that offering theft happened? So to divert attention
[00:05:13] from those allegations, they brought this inquiry report. It's an inquiry report.
[00:05:17] If something has come out in it, is it not necessary
[00:05:20] to take it seriously?
[00:05:24] No, it definitely needs to be taken seriously, but I think
[00:05:27] the Uttar Pradesh government itself doesn't need to take it seriously.
[00:05:31] This government has failed
[00:05:34] on all its promises.
[00:05:40] I would like to request the BJP people
[00:05:43] to tell me, the respected people of Uttar Pradesh
[00:05:47] gave you two opportunities.
[00:05:50] Which promise did you fulfill? Your entire
[00:05:53] 9.5 years went in Hindu-Muslim issues,
[00:05:57] in snatching reservations from backward Dalits, in committing scams,
[00:06:00] in looting donations. And I
[00:06:03] am saying one more thing.
[00:06:07] I was just listening to the BJP spokesperson.
[00:06:10] Look, we
[00:06:13] are not in favor of breaking
[00:06:16] laws, riots, or anything like that.
[00:06:19] But you also have to understand
[00:06:23] how much BJP likes riots, and those
[00:06:27] who benefit from riots are the ones who incite them.
[00:06:30] The Bhartiya Janata Party always benefits from Hindu-Muslim
[00:06:34] and riots. And in Uttar Pradesh,
[00:06:37] they made someone a Chief Minister who had riot charges
[00:06:40] against him. We are openly saying
[00:06:44] that you look at your leader in Uttar Pradesh, and on the other hand,
[00:06:48] look at our leader. Tell me,
[00:06:50] who caused riots, who had
[00:06:53] criminal cases against them? Our leader has never had
[00:06:57] any criminal cases. Whenever our leader is mentioned,
[00:07:01] 19 lakh laptops are mentioned, metro is mentioned, expressways are
[00:07:05] mentioned. Good buildings like JPNIC
[00:07:09] are mentioned, medical colleges are mentioned, riverfront is mentioned. Sunil ji,
[00:07:13] tell me one thing, it's a judicial commission's report. Do you
[00:07:16] accept it or not? If I were to sit
[00:07:19] here today and debate SP versus BJP, they would say 10 things about
[00:07:23] your leader, and you would say 10 things about their leader. A judicial inquiry
[00:07:27] report has come. We are talking about it. Do you accept it or not?
[00:07:30] Look, look, there are two points.
[00:07:33] The judicial inquiry is being conducted
[00:07:36] by the government. Yes, and the
[00:07:39] same government, a sharp government
[00:07:43] that has not yet caught the donation thieves.
[00:07:46] Our leader has said one thing, I would like to say through your program,
[00:07:50] Honorable Chief Minister Yogi ji is constantly saying
[00:07:54] that he will separate milk from water.
[00:07:57] Our leader said that give silver
[00:08:00] for silver, gold for gold. Whatever cash
[00:08:04] you looted, give cash for cash. Sunil ji, I'm asking
[00:08:07] you again, a judicial commission's inquiry report
[00:08:11] came. Do you accept it or not? Do you think
[00:08:15] it's a false report, a fake report? Then say
[00:08:18] that. You're again beating around the bush.
[00:08:22] Just say it. Prem Shukla ji is sitting there. Say it. If you want
[00:08:26] to speak, then your leader's report is
[00:08:30] by the government to hide its failures.
[00:08:33] An organized
[00:08:36] report by the government so that their failures are not discussed,
[00:08:39] their loot is not discussed.
[00:08:43] Okay, now you are saying this, about their loot.
[00:08:47] I was saying the same thing, because your leader Avdesh Prasad is saying this, so why are you
[00:08:50] beating around the bush? Just say it directly. They are putting them in the dock.
[00:08:54] They are saying that it was brought at this time so that attention could be diverted during the elections. Prem
[00:08:58] Shukla ji, you brought this report to divert attention from donation theft.
[00:09:02] Its echo will be heard in 27.
[00:09:05] Ziaur Rahman Barq's father,
[00:09:08] he said, he has already said it, I played one of his statements, judicial report.
[00:09:12] He said that the BJP wants to create another Ayodhya. Please respond
[00:09:16] to this.
[00:09:20] Look, the judicial report is based on evidence
[00:09:23] and witnesses. Without reading that judicial report,
[00:09:27] the spokesperson of the riot emperor
[00:09:31] Akhilesh Yadav is rejecting it here.
[00:09:34] At the time of the Muzaffarnagar riots,
[00:09:38] the misdeed of patronizing
[00:09:41] rioters was done by Azam Khan, the goat thief.
[00:09:44] Is that incident hidden from anyone?
[00:09:48] The incident of Azam Khan, the goat
[00:09:51] thief, how relief was given
[00:09:55] to Muslims among the rioters, but not to riot-affected
[00:09:58] Hindus, and when the Supreme Court reprimanded
[00:10:01] him, how Mr. Akhilesh Yadav
[00:10:04] committed the misdeed of gaining
[00:10:07] riot benefits for a particular community,
[00:10:10] the Supreme Court revealed this by reprimanding
[00:10:14] him. Similarly, at the Ram Janmabhoomi temple,
[00:10:18] at the temple of Shri Ram Lalla, jihadis
[00:10:21] committed the misdeed of launching a terrorist attack.
[00:10:55] That riot was so horrific that even today
[00:10:58] lakhs of people are homeless. These people never
[00:11:01] talk about that. They never gave homes to anyone,
[00:11:04] they never went and healed anyone's
[00:11:08] wounds. And they always work to incite
[00:11:12] Muslims. They always work to provoke
[00:11:15] Muslims. The question is, whenever anything comes up
[00:11:19] about Muslims, who are the people from Samajwadi who speak
[00:11:23] first? Ask us too, what do
[00:11:26] we want? They deliberately give such statements
[00:11:30] so that it creates provocation and spreads hatred
[00:11:34] in the country. Whose statement, whose statement are you talking
[00:11:37] about? The Samajwadi people
[00:11:40] give them. Look at Akhilesh Yadav's statements,
[00:11:44] you always say, well, a Muslim
[00:11:47] doesn't want to pray outside a mosque, but they say, what will happen if
[00:11:50] they do? What doomsday will come
[00:11:53] if they do? They give these kinds of statements so that Muslims come and say that
[00:11:57] no, we will pray. Secondly,
[00:12:00] there is no doubt that whatever happened in Sambhal,
[00:12:04] Ziaur Rahman Barq had a big hand
[00:12:08] in it. He did it. But
[00:12:11] at the same time, I also want to say that at that time, if a little
[00:12:15] restraint had been shown, perhaps those five people would not have died,
[00:12:18] those five people who passed away. Those five
[00:12:21] people would have been someone's brothers, someone's
[00:12:25] husbands, someone's sons. The death of those five
[00:12:29] people is a tragic death. Everyone should think
[00:12:32] about it, and all those who gain political advantage
[00:12:36] from the deaths of others, should at least think
[00:12:40] that only the one who loses a child or a spouse,
[00:12:43] or a husband, knows how much pain and suffering they go through.
[00:12:47] These people are just doing their political thing. Okay,
[00:12:51] Rachit ji, what you are saying, you are saying that it is being done
[00:12:55] to gain political advantage. I am also showing these pictures. My viewers
[00:12:59] please see, the 24 Sambhal violence, if people can remember these pictures,
[00:13:02] although these are not pictures to be forgotten, the way the violence occurred,
[00:13:06] stone-pelting occurred, then the police came there and tried to stop it, tear
[00:13:10] gas was fired, because the police personnel in the entire
[00:13:13] area were also surrounded. A survey team had gone there,
[00:13:17] they were also going. Vishnu Shankerta ji, I want to tell you something,
[00:13:21] please understand it. Say it, say it, please understand it. Say it, Rashidi ji, look, two...
[00:13:55] He did not throw stones at the Hindu brother, so where did the stones come from? Where did the stones
[00:13:58] come from? No, these political people put stones in their hands.
[00:14:02] No, you are referring to 2014 and saying that stones came after 2014, so who are
[00:14:05] you referring to? These Samajwadi Party or other
[00:14:09] so-called secular parties are the ones who incite
[00:14:13] to incite stone-pelting. These riots happen
[00:14:17] because they incite their workers by telling them that this will
[00:14:20] happen to you. Sunil ji, you are inciting your workers. They are saying
[00:14:24] that I can only understand that it's perhaps frustration with power. They are saying
[00:14:28] that since 2014, you people are handing over stones to show this,
[00:14:31] to polarize, you people are spreading stones, handing over stones to your
[00:14:34] workers.
[00:14:38] Look, we Samajwadis never
[00:14:42] believe in riots, stone-pelting, fighting,
[00:14:45] violence. This Maulana sahib is sitting here,
[00:14:49] I don't know his name, whoever he is, Maulana
[00:14:52] Rashidi is working as a BJP agent.
[00:14:56] Whoever he is, he can't even speak the truth. When he speaks
[00:15:00] in your support on TV, you don't
[00:15:14] for whom, I am just saying that please listen,
[00:15:17] we were not interrupting, Maulana sahib. Okay, one minute, one minute. Rashidi ji, what
[00:15:21] are you saying? You, Akhilesh Yadav, ask
[00:15:37] them if these are Mulayam Singh's statements or not? Okay, alright, Samajwadi,
[00:15:41] Sunil ji, please state your point. May I state
[00:15:43] my point? Yes, please, please speak.
[00:15:47] Yes, yes, I think that should we assume
[00:15:51] that when lakhs of young people went to Jantar Mantar in Delhi
[00:15:54] and used the language and words for Modi ji,
[00:15:58] should all those things be considered true about Modi ji?
[00:16:02] We are saying
[00:16:04] this. What does this mean?
[00:17:07] had cleared them out. In 2027, they will clear out the BJP,
[00:17:11] first they will remove them from Uttar Pradesh. If
[00:17:15] any Muslim questions the Samajwadi Party, why is he a BJP agent?
[00:17:19] Because you assume that no Muslim will support the BJP.
[00:17:22] If he does, then he is a BJP agent, you assume this.
[00:17:25] Is this it? Is it that if any
[00:17:28] Muslim will not support? Do you assume that?
[00:17:31] The thing
[00:17:34] is, if Muslims vote for the Samajwadi Party
[00:17:37] or Congress, they are their own, and if
[00:17:41] they talk about RSS, BJP, then they are brokers. This is their strange
[00:17:45] policy. And look, Sucharita ji, their arguments
[00:17:48] are very strange. In 1875,
[00:17:51] Bankim Chandra Chattopadhyay ji wrote Vande Mataram
[00:17:55] because in 2025 it will be 150 years, and the Bengal elections will come, and
[00:17:59] BJP will benefit from it. Is this an argument?
[00:18:03] He wrote Vande Mataram 150 years ago for this reason. Now this report has come about the Sambhal riots,
[00:18:07] this report has come to hide the theft at Ram Mandir.
[00:18:10] Brother, the report has come under legal process,
[00:18:13] and those who are guilty of the Ram Mandir are also being punished,
[00:18:17] and those who are guilty of Sambhal will also be punished. And
[00:18:21] I completely agree with this sudden tendency to make Muslims
[00:18:24] victims and stone-pelters. Everything was peaceful
[00:18:28] in Turkman Gate. When Mohibullah
[00:18:32] Nadvi came, stone-pelting started. Which party does he belong to? Samajwadi
[00:18:36] Party. Hussain Delhi riots, which party? Aam Aadmi Party.
[00:18:40] Ziaur Rahman Barq, guilty of riots in Sambhal,
[00:18:43] which party? Samajwadi Party. Riots happen in Bareilly,
[00:18:47] Tauqeer Raza, the Samajwadi Party also supports
[00:18:51] them. In Delhi riots, Tahir Hussain, Sharjeel Imam, Umar
[00:18:55] Khalid, who supports all of them?
[00:18:58] These are the poor children, students, they say, Samajwadi Party,
[00:19:02] Aam Aadmi Party, Congress Party. That means
[00:19:05] you people will support every rioter, every
[00:19:08] stone-pelter, every looter,
[00:19:11] and those who talk about nationalism, about unity and integrity in the country, you will call them BJP's brokers.
[00:19:15] Until yesterday, Maulana Sajid Rashidi sahib was their favorite,
[00:19:18] their beloved. Today, Mulayam Singh Yadav ji's
[00:19:22] quote has been mentioned that he who is not loyal to his father cannot be loyal to anyone.
[00:19:26] So today, Sajid Rashidi also became a BJP agent, a broker.
[00:19:30] They started saying, brother, he said this about his biological son,
[00:19:33] not for the BJP. It could have been a political statement,
[00:19:37] but saying it about his biological son is very thoughtful,
[00:19:41] very contemplative. I want to request
[00:19:44] that the police's job is to protect,
[00:19:47] not to falsely implicate. Akhilesh ji, okay,
[00:19:51] but the police's job is not to fire bullets at Ram devotees either.
[00:19:55] When you and your father's government was in power,
[00:19:58] girls couldn't go to school, school, college. We all know
[00:20:02] that when your government was in power, the Bharat Milap
[00:20:05] program couldn't take place, and goons and criminals
[00:20:09] openly carried guns, and it has been shown very
[00:20:12] well in the movie Ajay what changes have taken place
[00:20:16] after Yogi Adityanath ji came. So those who walk on the path of lies,
[00:20:20] speak the truth and then something will happen. And today it has been proven wrong, so this
[00:20:23] is a fact. The other thing is that you are making allegations
[00:20:27] against someone that he did this and that. This matter will go to court.
[00:20:31] The court will decide. But
[00:20:34] the attitude of the government and their officers at that time,
[00:20:38] they are speaking the language of politicians today. So we have told them to
[00:20:42] directly join politics. So you are saying that many judicial commission reports came
[00:20:45] which were overturned in court or the court did not accept them. So are you saying that
[00:20:49] you will speak against this? Because your leader spoke a lot about Sambhal. Now what if you think
[00:20:53] this report is wrong or sponsored? As he said,
[00:20:57] Sunil ji called it fake. Will AIMIM
[00:21:01] take any stand against
[00:21:03] this?
[00:21:06] No, definitely Sucharita ji, our chairman Musheer Chaudhary sahib
[00:21:09] is keeping an eye on all things to see what legal help can be provided
[00:21:12] in this, and because this matter will be decided by the court
[00:21:16] and judiciary, because the government or any ordinary person cannot decide it, and
[00:21:20] our condolences are with the families of those whose lives were lost, and we
[00:21:25] who are victims, whoever they may be, because life is life for everyone. Look, what happens
[00:21:29] is that if even a policeman dies, our sir, look, what happens
[00:21:33] is that it's easy to say we have our condolences,
[00:21:37] we stand with the people, but when you keep calling
[00:21:41] a matter a lie, that also incites. So when you are calling something a lie,
[00:21:44] then try to go to court against it. Unite,
[00:21:48] you need an alliance, you need to contest elections, this won't work, sir. Where do
[00:21:52] these double standards come from in you people? You don't speak with Muslims,
[00:21:56] you don't speak when their homes are attacked, you don't speak when they riot, but
[00:22:00] we are speaking. Alliance ji,
[00:22:02] our leader clearly said that to defeat the Bharatiya Janata Party
[00:22:06] and to stop the division of secular votes, we
[00:22:10] are working under a common minimum program, let me complete, let me complete, under a common minimum
[00:22:13] program, in which the safety,
[00:22:17] honor, and participation of Muslims are ensured.
[00:23:50] Now listen,
[00:24:12] issues about any song, anthem
[00:24:15] of the country, that we are
[00:24:19] bigger.
[00:24:50] The faith of Tauheed, against which the law was enacted in Parliament,
[00:24:54] do they support it or oppose it? Please
[00:24:56] tell me.
[00:24:59] Whatever Bharatiya Janata Party brings any law
[00:25:03] against any community against the country,
[00:25:07] then the Samajwadi Party in the House.