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[00:00:00] who has not only Uttar Pradesh but also in the country
[00:00:04] on the strength of his Jat politics
[00:00:06] kept it intact,
[00:00:15] Time after time, generations changed and the biggest
[00:00:18] relationships of UP politics
[00:00:21] changed,
[00:00:24] On one side, Jay Chaudhary is carrying on the legacy of Chaudhary Charan Singh,
[00:00:27] in Delhi with the students and Jain ji, and on the other side,
[00:00:39] To achieve power,
[00:01:01] 'From where did the coalition people come, we converted a small coin into a rupee,
[00:01:04] even then they left us, I
[00:01:08] would be a small coin',
[00:01:08] हूंगा,
[00:01:16] those people sitting in Lucknow This small coin and rupee taunt, not just a statement
[00:01:20] that came out of the mouth, this was the sound
[00:01:23] of that deep crack between two big political legacies, which, emerging from closed rooms,
[00:01:27] has now come out in the open.
[00:01:32] The Akhilesh and Jayant who once smiled on the streets of UP
[00:01:36] as a poster of two boys, today
[00:01:39] that very pair is questioning each other's
[00:01:43] existence on the ground of Chartland.
[00:01:45] Just before the
[00:01:49] electoral battle of 2027, a new political
[00:01:53] profit and loss equation is being written
[00:01:57] on this land of Chartland.
[00:01:59] A equation that has forced all the political pundits
[00:02:02] of the state to think afresh.
[00:02:06] And the beginning of this entire chakravyuh started with Akhilesh
[00:02:09] Yadav's same taunt, "Where did the coalition
[00:02:13] people come from,
[00:02:14] in the Jat community, we turned a small coin into a rupee, even then they left us."
[00:02:18] गए
[00:02:21] Where did the coalition people come from,
[00:02:25] we turned a small coin into a rupee,
[00:02:27] even then they left us.
[00:02:31] What then, a statement bounced in the political arena
[00:02:35] and its echo was heard far and wide.
[00:02:37] Jayant Chaudhary did not consider this taunt of a small coin
[00:02:41] as just a political taunt, he directly linked it
[00:02:45] to the self-respect of the entire Jat community. The bitterness of closed
[00:02:48] rooms had now become a topic of open discussion.
[00:02:52] थी,
[00:02:56] Jayant went to the village
[00:02:59] in which, with time, and filled it, and Akhilesh
[00:03:31] Yadav gives that political theory of "chawani" from the party platform,
[00:03:34] there is a stir in the political circles of UP.
[00:03:38] Jat society is the protector
[00:03:41] of bravery, self-respect, hard work,
[00:03:45] sacrifice, and farmers.
[00:03:49] My effort too, as Jay Singh ji said, is that we will not make
[00:03:53] which rules in the power corridor, any enemies, but sometimes
[00:03:55] the other person, we are not doing anything, I
[00:03:59] did not even provoke, he is saying something
[00:04:01] again and again. We want the participation
[00:04:05] of the PDA family
[00:04:08] to increase, whether it is in our party
[00:04:11] or we have to give tickets, so the participation of the PDA
[00:04:15] family should increase and if there are other parties
[00:04:19] They are with Yogi ji in every way, whose participation is being talked about, we also want their
[00:04:23] participation to increase, what is there to feel bad
[00:04:25] about? Raised on the self-respect of Jattland
[00:04:29] उठी
[00:04:45] is a patriotic community and of Uttar Pradesh. It is said
[00:05:42] On this attack of the opposition, the younger Chaudhary also did not remain silent.
[00:05:46] Jayant Chaudhary did not delay
[00:05:49] in retaliating.
[00:05:52] if the government knew, then why
[00:05:56] did it let the crime happen? Government, brother,
[00:05:58] the criminal government knows and still crime is happening.
[00:06:01] है,
[00:06:04] Why was the crime not stopped? Was the encounter of the right people
[00:06:07] done?
[00:06:10] His father has said that justice has not yet been fully served.
[00:06:15] This is a matter of investigation. Uttar Pradesh has fallen prey
[00:06:18] to crime. Save it. Those who used to say
[00:06:22] "ulta-pulta pradesh" in UP, that UP means
[00:06:25] "ulta-pulta",
[00:06:29] here, who in every
[00:06:32] incident, in every crime, immediately remove the glasses of caste,
[00:06:35] see where I can create caste division
[00:06:39] and then say, look what kind of state this is,
[00:06:43] misgovernance. That's why some people
[00:06:46] are ready to throw the entire state into fire
[00:06:50] to bake their own bread. The murder that started as a crime
[00:06:54] on August 26, has become the focal point
[00:06:57] of the entire politics of western Uttar Pradesh.
[00:07:01] The question is, after Ankit's death,
[00:07:05] in which direction will this smoldering political fire
[00:07:08] turn the crown of 2027? The question is also:
[00:07:42] Will it be able to appease the mood
[00:07:45] of the Jats?
[00:07:50] In the Jat temperament, wrestling, arena and
[00:07:53] self-respect are ingrained. Sugarcane
[00:07:56] is not just a crop, it is the identity of the Jat farmer's
[00:08:00] economy and his sweat.
[00:08:03] The cot, in Jattland, is considered the real throne
[00:08:06] of power and authority, and in Jat culture,
[00:08:10] the chaupal and hookah are
[00:08:55] This path cutting through the fields, is not just a path
[00:08:58] to connect fields, but it is through this very path
[00:09:02] that in the morning the Jat farmer
[00:09:06] comes out with his plow and it is with the help of this path
[00:09:09] that he reaches his fields. But now the big
[00:09:13] question is what is going on in the mind of the Jat farmer?
[00:09:17] Because it was from these paths, through the village roads,
[00:09:21] that the political movement arose
[00:09:24] that united the Jat power and this Jat power
[00:09:28] did the work of raising
[00:09:31] and lowering the political temperature of Uttar Pradesh.
[00:09:34] That Jat movement centralized the entire Jat power
[00:09:38] and what was its result? In Uttar Pradesh,
[00:09:42] as of today, there are 40 to 50 seats
[00:09:45] that are Jat-dominated and which determine
[00:09:48] who will sit in power in the politics
[00:09:53] that through these 50 seats of western Uttar Pradesh,
[00:09:57] it is decided whose throne will be decorated
[00:10:00] and whose throne
[00:10:03] will shake.
[00:10:08] Today, we have come to know
[00:10:11] in a village in Mathura, this is a Jat-dominated village, Nagla
[00:10:15] Ambu, and here we will try to understand and know
[00:10:19] what is going on in the mind
[00:10:22] of the Jat farmer, after the murder of Ankit
[00:10:26] Balyan, how the political temperature
[00:10:29] has risen, and how he is
[00:10:33] showing his inclination. So tell me, brother,
[00:10:36] the Uttar Pradesh elections have come, so
[00:10:40] what is going on in the mind of the Jat Jain ji, whom to make win?
[00:10:43] Jain ji needs employment and facilities,
[00:10:47] and we are not seeing them anywhere. There was a protest
[00:10:52] how did this government behave with them? That is in front
[00:10:56] of all of you, so Jain ji does not have a very good
[00:11:00] message about the government. So Jain ji has already made a different mood
[00:11:04] and if the government wants now, there is still time,
[00:11:07] if they correct their mistakes now,
[00:11:10] then maybe Jain ji will think about them later.
[00:11:14] When Akhilesh Yadav compared Jats to a small coin
[00:11:18] and said this, Jayant Chaudhary was very angry,
[00:11:21] he expressed a lot of displeasure. What came to your minds? Sir, look,
[00:11:25] this is politics, one should not make any wrong comment
[00:11:29] about anyone. We believe that what Akhilesh ji said was wrong,
[00:11:33] but before this government, what did Jayant ji
[00:11:36] have, brother? He made a pact with them, that's why
[00:11:40] he became something and they also sent a meeting to him. So
[00:11:44] Jayant ji himself said that I am not a small coin who
[00:11:47] will change his mind. Has the problem of electricity and water
[00:11:51] in the village been solved? Earlier
[00:12:55] , even the favors have no meaning now.
[00:13:16] Politics is like a boiling cauldron
[00:13:20] of sugarcane juice
[00:13:24] sugarcane juice takes the shape of jaggery,
[00:13:27] and politics also takes shape,
[00:13:30] forms and breaks with new equations
[00:13:33] in the boiling water of issues.
[00:13:37] And something similar happens in Jattland too. See, Chaudhary Charan Singh
[00:13:40] used to say that the purpose
[00:13:43] of politics is not to gain power, but to serve.
[00:13:47] But what is the reason now that whether it is BJP,
[00:13:50] or RLD, or Samajwadi Party, everyone
[00:13:53] is forced to make rounds
[00:13:56] of this chaupal of Jattland. The math is simple,
[00:14:00] whoever this chaupal of Jattland supports
[00:14:03] and sits with,
[00:14:05] that person will be the Chaudhary of Lucknow.
[00:14:14] The Jat community,
[00:14:18] is said to be one whose power sides with them, or sometimes
[00:14:21] it is said that wherever they go,
[00:14:25] power comes there. This is a very self-respecting community.
[00:14:27] है,
[00:14:30] As soon as it comes to self-respect, they are ready to fight, but in the 2027
[00:14:34] elections, they are rallied with Yogi ji.
[00:14:37] They will vote for Yogi ji, they will fight,
[00:14:41] they will argue, but they will vote for Yogi ji.
[00:14:44] with BJP. After the murder of Ankit Balyan,
[00:14:48] and after the encounter, a different kind of politics is going on in Uttar Pradesh, so
[00:14:52] what is going on in the mind of the Jat? See, Jat is such a community
[00:14:55] that is a nationalist community, Jat does anything for the country.
[00:14:59] If you look across the country,
[00:15:02] even in the army, there is only one such caste that has a
[00:15:05] regiment named after it, the Jat Regiment. So Jat
[00:15:10] a self-respecting community. You are talking
[00:15:13] about the incident, the way Ankit Balyan was murdered,
[00:15:16] Yogi ji's government sent both the criminals to hell.
[00:15:20] Here, if a criminal commits a crime,
[00:15:24] then you know what is going to happen to him because of Yogi ji, and
[00:15:27] as far as today's atmosphere is concerned, the way Samajwadi Party
[00:15:31] leader Akhilesh Yadav ji and other people
[00:15:35] of his party are abusing our society, that is not acceptable
[00:15:39] in any way, right?
[00:15:43] Jattland, which shapes sugarcane into jaggery, understands the bitterness
[00:15:46] and sweetness of politics with a very keen eye.
[00:15:50] In Uttar Pradesh,
[00:15:54] even though the total population of Jats is only 4 to 5%,
[00:15:57] in Western UP, Jats constitute a direct
[00:16:01] and decisive share of about 17 to 18%
[00:16:04] of the total voters. On 40 to
[00:16:08] 50 assembly seats of Western UP, this strong influence of 25 to 30%
[00:16:12] vote bank gives the Jat voter
[00:16:15] the power to make anyone the Chaudhary of Lucknow
[00:16:19] or snatch anyone's chieftainship.
[00:16:21] ले
[00:16:28] Muzaffarnagar, Shamli,
[00:16:31] Baghpat, Meerut,
[00:16:33] Bijnor, Bulandshahr, Aligarh, and Mathura.
[00:16:38] This is the land where wherever the Jats turn,
[00:16:41] the throne of Lucknow becomes theirs.
[00:16:44] Coalition.
[00:16:47] Those who win, if they don't
[00:16:50] get a ticket anywhere, those who sometimes won
[00:16:53] from the coalition, if they don't get a ticket,
[00:16:57] then we can consider them. Those who come
[00:17:01] to the Samajwadi Party will be respected, they will be given full respect
[00:17:03] after the government is formed. The community of Chaudhary Charan Singh
[00:17:07] is sitting in front of me, which is present in the villages, whether it is the Pal
[00:17:11] community, or Yadav, Gurjar
[00:17:14] or Jatav, it is the community of Chaudhary Charan Singh.
[00:17:18] है,
[00:17:20] Every political party knows the real power
[00:17:23] of this Jattland vote bank. That's why political
[00:17:27] confrontation here was inevitable. In this battle of 2027,
[00:17:30] whose glory will the Jats make and whose
[00:17:33] bed will they destroy? Will
[00:17:36] Akhilesh Yadav be able to penetrate this impregnable fortress
[00:17:40] of politics? We did not search for the answer to this question
[00:17:43] in any air-conditioned political corridor. We went directly
[00:17:47] to that chaupal which is considered supreme
[00:17:52] that is, the Supreme Court.
[00:17:55] So if you want to understand the mood of Jattland, you have to leave the air-conditioned rooms and
[00:17:58] studios and sit on a cot like this.
[00:18:02] And when a Jat sitting on this cot
[00:18:05] twirls his mustache, you understand
[00:18:09] that even in his silence, there is an ultimatum to change
[00:18:12] the government. This is
[00:18:13] Jattland.
[00:18:18] Is Akhilesh better or Yogi?
[00:18:22] Yogi ji is many percent better in both.
[00:18:26] This time, will the Jat vote on religion, work,
[00:18:29] or for change? No,
[00:18:33] look, Jat is not about religion or work,
[00:18:36] nor is it about change, he will vote on work.
[00:18:40] Right now, all the work in the BJP government is going well.
[00:18:44] Our honorable Chief Minister is working on zero tolerance.
[00:18:48] All the criminals who were involved in crimes have either
[00:18:51] hidden in holes or have been eliminated. They are doing very good work in the field of education.
[00:18:55] Earlier, the condition of schools was such that roofs used to leak,
[00:18:59] today there are schools everywhere you look, there is furniture
[00:19:03] and libraries have been built, sports fields have been built,
[00:19:06] sports facilities have been made, the government has done a lot of good work on education.
[00:19:10] Look at the Ayushman Yojana, brother, a poor
[00:19:14] person can get free treatment up to 5 lakh rupees.
[00:19:17] Earlier, if a poor person did not have money, he used to die.
[00:19:21] The government is doing a great job. Law and order in UP is number one.
[00:19:25] Hooliganism, bullying, tampering with the dignity
[00:19:28] of daughters and sisters, all this,
[00:19:31] nothing else, corruption is at its peak. If a farmer
[00:19:34] goes for a card, it doesn't come.
[00:20:07] He had it locked.
[00:20:11] Brother, the criminal government knows and still crime is happening,
[00:20:15] why will crime not happen?
[00:20:26] The mobilization of the Jat vote bank and a united
[00:20:29] vote can change the entire political
[00:20:33] arithmetic of Uttar Pradesh. People want to do a lot of wrong things.
[00:20:38] The Jat voter, who emerged from the fields,
[00:20:42] villages and chaupals of Jattland, has the power to turn
[00:20:46] the direction of political winds with the same strength.
[00:20:50] Amidst this heated politics over Jats, RLD chief
[00:20:54] Jayant Chaudhary, on August 30,
[00:20:57] standing at the Indira Gandhi Pratishthan in Lucknow,
[00:21:01] set such an equation whose echo is now being
[00:21:05] heard in every political corridor from Lucknow to Delhi.
[00:21:08] This is a long-term project, Lokdal is an old party, we need to work
[00:21:12] harder with big ideas and this
[00:21:16] is also our fertile land, not barren land. In every district
[00:21:20] of Uttar Pradesh, in every village, we have a worker
[00:21:22] and he will strongly support the NDA.
[00:21:25] देगा,
[00:21:28] Now the question is, when the Jat voters are negligible
[00:21:31] in Awadh and Purvanchal, then why is Jayant
[00:21:34] Chaudhary's attention focused on Awadh and Purvanchal?
[00:21:37] The reason is clear, to take RLD's
[00:21:41] regional scope beyond the boundaries of Western UP.
[00:21:45] But how big is this master stroke
[00:21:48] of the younger Chaudhary after all? The answer is hidden
[00:21:52] in these figures.
[00:21:53] में
[00:21:57] On 22 assembly seats in the Awadh region,
[00:22:00] the Dalit, i.e., Pasi and Jatav, voters are 25 to 30
[00:22:03] percent, while OBCs are 12 to
[00:22:06] 15%, Yadavs 8 to 10%, Rajputs
[00:22:10] 8 to 10%, and Muslim voters play a role of 18 to 20%.
[00:22:13] की भूमिका निभाते
[00:22:15] Meanwhile, on about
[00:22:18] 130 seats in the Purvanchal region, Dalits are 20 to
[00:22:22] 25%, Yadavs 13 to
[00:22:25] 15%, Rajputs 6 to 7%, and Muslim
[00:22:28] voters are 15 to 16%.
[00:22:30] हैं,
[00:22:33] If the seats of Awadh and Purvanchal are combined,
[00:22:36] this number reaches 212 assembly seats.
[00:22:40] है.
[00:23:22] The Jat belt of Western UP where politics is played
[00:23:26] with the gurgling of hookahs on chaupals,
[00:23:28] in this electoral battle, the noise of issues there is very
[00:23:32] subtle and deep. We ourselves went to ground zero
[00:23:36] and saw that from Chaudhary Charan Singh to Mulayam Singh
[00:23:39] and today from Jayant to Akhilesh and Yogi,
[00:23:43] the Jat voters on chaupals express their views
[00:23:47] frankly, without any pretense
[00:23:51] or embellishment. But to understand
[00:23:54] today's politics, we need to turn to that page of history
[00:23:58] when, in the 80s, Chaudhary Charan Singh played
[00:24:02] such a masterstroke that it changed the geography
[00:24:05] of UP politics. A similar historical political experiment
[00:24:09] which was named AJGAR,
[00:24:12] meaning Ahir, Jat, Gurjar, and
[00:24:14] Rajput. This one equation shook the foundation
[00:24:18] of power, and you know, a wrestler trained in the shadow
[00:24:22] of this experiment later created history by becoming the biggest
[00:24:26] hero of Lucknow's throne. His name was
[00:24:30] Mulayam Singh
[00:24:30] Yadav.
[00:24:36] He awarded Bharat Ratna to Sahib. What bigger honor can be given
[00:24:40] than this? No bigger honor can be given
[00:24:43] to the farmer community
[00:24:45] than this.
[00:24:48] Jat politics.
[00:26:02] Chaudhary Charan Singh not only promoted Mulayam Singh,
[00:26:05] but also made him the leader
[00:26:08] of UP politics with this unique alliance
[00:26:12] of Ahir and Jat.
[00:26:21] In 1989, when Mulayam Singh Yadav became the Chief Minister
[00:26:25] of Uttar Pradesh for the first time, behind it was the same ground
[00:26:29] created by Chaudhary Sahib on which Jats
[00:26:32] and Yadavs stood
[00:26:34] together.
[00:26:38] The political dominance of Jats in that era
[00:26:42] made Mulayam Singh the hero of UP. Leaders also came,
[00:26:44] MLAs also came. Today, in the politics of Uttar Pradesh, the mention of "chawani"
[00:26:48] and "rupee" that is repeatedly raised has an important historical
[00:26:52] aspect that just before the 1989 elections,
[00:26:55] the entire opposition came together on one platform
[00:26:58] against the then Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi. On November
[00:27:02] 11, 1988, the Janata Dal was formed by merging VP Singh's
[00:27:06] Jan Morcha, Chaudhary Charan Singh's Lok Dal, and Chandrashekhar's
[00:27:09] Janata Party. Mulayam Singh Yadav was made
[00:27:13] the state president of Uttar Pradesh. At that time, UP had 425
[00:27:17] assembly seats, and Uttarakhand was not separated.
[00:27:19] Under the leadership of Mulayam Singh Yadav, the Janata Dal
[00:27:23] created history by winning 208 assembly seats,
[00:27:26] after which, on December 5,
[00:27:30] Yadav became the Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh for the first
[00:28:03] time. Time changed, and in the 2022 assembly
[00:28:05] elections, two new lights of two legacies, Jayant
[00:28:09] Chaudhary and Akhilesh Yadav, came together.
[00:28:12] But in February 2024,
[00:28:16] this alliance also broke. Today, the situation is that while Akhilesh
[00:28:19] Yadav is moving forward with the slogan of PDA,
[00:28:23] Jayant Chaudhary is strengthening his position
[00:28:26] as part of the NDA and the biggest face
[00:28:30] of Jatt politics and farmers.
[00:28:33] The other opposition parties
[00:28:36] that are forming groups, that are trying,
[00:28:40] have not yet been able to tell what their name
[00:28:43] is. Everything changes in PDA,
[00:28:46] not in our NDA.
[00:28:50] They have a stomachache from PDA,
[00:28:54] because we are progressive people, we want to develop,
[00:28:58] we want to move forward and we want to take everyone
[00:29:01] along.
[00:29:33] 'Run away, they are scared of Pakistan and
[00:29:36] PDA, that's why they are changing the definitions
[00:29:40] of PDA. The more
[00:29:43] pain increases, the more the generation
[00:29:46] will advance. Amidst this political tug-of-war,
[00:29:49] the figures of 2017 and 2022 testify
[00:29:52] how much Jat politics has changed in Uttar Pradesh.
[00:29:56] After the Muzaffarnagar riots
[00:29:59] of 2013, a large section of the Jat vote bank
[00:30:02] left RLD and went to the BJP camp.
[00:30:06] था,
[00:30:09] In the 2017 assembly elections, about 75 to
[00:30:13] 80% of Jat voters voted unilaterally
[00:30:16] for BJP.
[00:30:19] As a result, out of 99 Jat-dominated seats in Western Uttar Pradesh,
[00:30:23] BJP unfurled its flag unilaterally on 77 seats.
[00:30:26] Meanwhile, Samajwadi Party got 16,
[00:30:30] Congress two, BSP three, and
[00:31:02] BJP's lead remained intact even in 2020.