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[00:00:00] Some special guests will join us, but before that,
[00:00:03] let's put the questions in front of you one by one, the questions on which we will
[00:00:07] include all the guests in this debate
[00:00:09] today.
[00:00:14] What does Gyanesh Kumar have that made him beat up children, and even the big politicians
[00:00:18] who came
[00:00:19] were retained?
[00:00:22] These people literally sent goons and kidnapped me. They kidnapped me while I was sleeping in my
[00:00:26] house. May God give wisdom to all those
[00:00:30] who do not understand their own interest in the country's interest.
[00:00:33] Who doesn't
[00:00:38] know that the Election Commission is dishonest? Who doesn't know that the Election Commission
[00:00:42] lies?
[00:00:44] In the country, an atmosphere of anarchy was being created
[00:00:48] and the idea of giving strength to it
[00:00:51] was being done.
[00:00:56] The Government of India is fighting a war with the citizens
[00:01:00] of the whole country.
[00:01:00] साथ
[00:01:07] Whether it is the Aam Aadmi Party or the Congress Party, the god-like
[00:01:11] voters of this country have rejected both.
[00:01:31] Let's start the debate, but let's put the questions in front of you one by one.
[00:01:34] Controversy over SIR, for how long will this political chaos continue?
[00:01:38] Let's try to find answers to this question. CEC
[00:01:41] Gyanesh's opposition, is it a coincidence or is it
[00:01:45] an experiment by the opposition? Team CJP's strong release,
[00:01:49] is there a new battle ahead? Battle with Gyanesh,
[00:01:52] is it a show of strength by the opposition till resignation?
[00:01:56] This is a big question. We will try to find answers to these questions
[00:02:00] and let's introduce the guests who are joining
[00:02:04] us in this debate one by one. From BJP, BJP's national co-convenor
[00:02:07] and in-charge of media cell, Pradeep Bhandari is joining us.
[00:02:11] Pooja Tripathi from Congress will
[00:02:14] join us. Anurag Bhadauria from Samajwadi Party is not with us
[00:02:17] right now but he will join us shortly. Besides that,
[00:02:20] see, the senior has joined.
[00:02:24] Anurag has joined us as a senior journalist and political analyst.
[00:02:33] Tripathi of Congress. The big question is that
[00:02:36] the controversy over SIR has been taken from court
[00:02:40] to the streets, to the parliament. Congress
[00:02:42] and metro stations? If the public is not with the has protested everywhere. Congress leaders, as lawyers, have also
[00:02:46] reached the court. How long will this
[00:02:49] chaos continue on the streets?
[00:02:51] चलेगा,
[00:02:53] See, Anurag ji, hello everyone. This chaos would not have been so big
[00:02:57] if Gyanesh Kumar ji had held a press conference
[00:03:01] and met the opposition delegation. I say "perhaps" because
[00:03:05] the kind of oppression, the kind of actions
[00:03:08] that the Delhi Police took yesterday
[00:03:11] during the protest, and the kind of pictures that
[00:03:15] came out, absolutely brutal, terrifying, and absolutely
[00:03:19] disgusting pictures, I would say. Delhi Police
[00:03:22] is... I will not maintain decency and decorum of language here. I'm really
[00:03:26] sorry. Delhi Police is groping a female protester. According to the Justice
[00:03:30] Verma Committee's recommendations, if you raise your hands
[00:03:34] and touch private parts, it is rape.
[00:03:37] That woman, along with the Delhi
[00:03:40] Police, supported by a whole mob of goons, attacked female protesters,
[00:03:43] trampling them, scratching them, beating them, and
[00:03:47] even today, these scenes have been shown, whether in RPI Ashram, or Jantar Mantar,
[00:03:51] or CP, that these goons, these goons
[00:03:55] without uniforms, or under the instructions of those in uniforms,
[00:03:58] are beating all protesters. Journalists are being detained. What
[00:04:04] in Congress said that no, we are not with that professor, is happening in this country? If you want to write a new chapter of oppression
[00:04:06] in this country, if you suppress people's demands for justice,
[00:04:10] people's demands for rights, people's demands for electoral reforms
[00:04:14] with police boots and sticks and batons, then who are you afraid of?
[00:04:18] Then you are a very cowardly and very
[00:04:21] scared, timid government, because as we saw the oppression,
[00:04:25] 50,000 police, 23,000 CRPF, internet shut
[00:04:29] down, raids happening, trains cancelled, metros cancelled, even
[00:04:32] after that, if 5,000 people are detained, and the Delhi Police, they are detaining
[00:04:36] anyone they pick up. And who has given you
[00:04:40] the right to empower these goons without uniforms
[00:04:44] to raise their hands on female protesters, on children, on journalists?
[00:04:47] What is happening? Now, here we are talking about the future
[00:04:51] of the country, the people of the country. I, the god-like voter, I
[00:04:55] will use Vasuri Swaraj's word, god-like voter, is being beaten
[00:04:58] with lathis, being kicked, being abused
[00:05:02] and being insulted. And who are you fighting with? You are fighting
[00:05:05] with the people of the country, and you are saying that it is the crowd
[00:05:09] of Congress and CJP, or is it the crowd coming out spontaneously?
[00:05:42] Pooja has left questions for you. Will you be able
[00:05:46] to answer them
[00:05:47] one by one?
[00:05:52] See, Vikas ji, I will answer your questions, because
[00:05:55] the dacoits of democracy,
[00:05:58] the Congress and Aam Aadmi Party, are the dacoits
[00:06:02] of democracy. Because I will tell you one by one how
[00:06:05] they are the dacoits of democracy. The Supreme Court cancelled
[00:06:09] the elections of 50 wards in Punjab, saying
[00:06:13] that there was vote rigging there, and the Congress party,
[00:06:16] these dacoits of democracy, are silent. Point number one. Surely, this
[00:06:20] Congress party is a dacoit of democracy and an opponent of the constitution,
[00:06:23] because today these Congressmen were walking with the Congress
[00:06:27] flag in one hand and saffron in the other, and yesterday they tried
[00:06:30] to create hooliganism in the protest and tried to beat women.
[00:06:34] So the Congressmen became so agitated that yesterday the Congressmen
[00:06:37] wearing saffron tried to beat innocents
[00:06:41] in the entire protest and tried to hatch a conspiracy. The people of this country
[00:06:45] have stood up against these goons. The people of the Traders
[00:06:48] Association came forward. They said, who are these
[00:06:52] petty people who are protesting in Delhi and trying
[00:06:56] to close all traders and shops in the name of protest?
[00:06:59] The people of Delhi have stood up against their leadership. And you know
[00:07:03] when their B team, Dipke, Ranka, and Saurabh Das, whose
[00:07:07] faces, their expressions, were very enthusiastic at first,
[00:07:10] but today their expressions showed nervousness and sweat when they
[00:07:14] went by plane, what did the people of the country say? Shame on
[00:07:18] you. This is their situation. Now I want to tell you one more thing. Perhaps
[00:07:21] they have not read the Supreme Court's order, so I will read the Supreme Court's order
[00:07:25] to you. In the Supreme Court's order, in paragraph number 16, point number B,
[00:07:29] it is written, "The free movement of people in the city shall be subjected
[00:07:33] to law and order situation." This means
[00:07:36] it is clear that under 19B, the police,
[00:07:39] from these goons, these arrogant, anti-democratic
[00:07:42] regimes who wanted to change the regime,
[00:07:45] took these restrictions. Today, the Supreme Court has welcomed it. So I
[00:07:49] want to tell the Congress party, the Congress should thank us, because
[00:07:53] Rahul Gandhi did not go to participate in this protest and went to
[00:07:57] Chennai. Congress leaders were messaging us, saying, "Stop them, stop them."
[00:08:01] They were trying to snatch the limelight from us. So Pooja ji doesn't know, but
[00:08:05] today, if anyone is happiest, it's
[00:09:42] to take Modi's resignation. See, I think the opposition has the right to protest
[00:09:46] in a democracy. No one can take that right away. But
[00:09:50] when Rahul Gandhi meets the President, submits a memorandum, and says
[00:09:53] that the President listened to our concerns carefully, Rahul Gandhi
[00:09:57] goes to the Supreme Court regarding the entire matter, and the matter is already ongoing in the Supreme Court.
[00:10:01] Rahul Gandhi's supported lawyers of Congress took the matter to the Supreme Court,
[00:10:04] and the Supreme Court has issued notices to the Chief
[00:10:08] Election Commissioner, both Election Commissioners, and the DGIT
[00:10:11] and they have to submit their response to the Supreme Court by Monday.
[00:10:15] Rahul Gandhi and Mallikarjun Kharge have talked
[00:10:19] about meeting the Chief Justice of the country,
[00:10:22] and their meeting is going to happen this evening. So when the matter is in
[00:10:26] the Supreme Court, Rahul Gandhi has already submitted a memorandum to the President,
[00:10:30] then I think Rahul Gandhi and the opposition should have at least waited for the Supreme Court's observation,
[00:10:34] for the Supreme Court's instructions, for the Supreme Court's judgment.
[00:10:37] In a democracy, the opposition has the right to protest, but there should also be responsibility
[00:10:41] on an institution in a democracy. The matter is in the Supreme
[00:10:45] Court. You don't trust the government, you don't trust
[00:10:48] the Election Commission, we understand, no problem, but the Supreme Court will decide
[00:10:52] whether the Election Commission's action regarding SIR
[00:10:56] is correct or not. So I think you should trust
[00:11:00] the Supreme Court, and if you feel that even after the Supreme Court's
[00:11:04] decision, you are not satisfied with the Supreme Court's decision,
[00:11:07] then you have the option of going to the people's court. After that, you can go to the people's
[00:11:11] court. It cannot be that the matter is going on in the Supreme Court,
[00:11:15] the Supreme Court is hearing it, and you go to the streets regarding
[00:11:19] that matter, you also go to the President regarding that matter, and then in this
[00:11:23] way, I think the situation
[00:11:25] that arises in a democracy is not good. If you want to protest,
[00:11:29] protest. And if you wanted to meet the Election Commission, did Rahul Gandhi
[00:11:32] follow the process he followed to meet the President? He wrote a letter
[00:11:36] to the President. The President said that at 8 PM, you come
[00:11:40] with 10 MPs. You go to meet the President at 8 PM with 10 MPs.
[00:11:44] Here, did Rahul Gandhi and the opposition write a letter to the Chief Election
[00:11:47] Commissioner saying that they want to meet him? If Rahul Gandhi and the opposition
[00:11:51] have written a letter, then that letter should be made public, stating
[00:11:55] when they sought time to meet the Chief Election Commissioner and the Chief Election Commissioner
[00:11:58] refused to give time. You write a letter, the Chief Election Commissioner
[00:12:02] tells you how many people, at what time you should come to meet.
[00:12:06] You go, the Chief Election Commissioner listens to you. So yesterday, you sought
[00:12:09] time from the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the country,
[00:12:13] he has called you to meet tomorrow. Did you plan to go to the Chief Justice
[00:12:17] of the country with the same mob? No, right? There you sought
[00:12:21] time, then the Chief Election
[00:12:24] See. Let's hear from the spokesperson of the Samajwadi Party, let's get
[00:12:28] answers to those questions from him. Anurag Bhadauria, is this why Akhilesh
[00:12:31] Yadav has maintained his distance? He knows that, all in all, Rahul
[00:12:34] Gandhi, Congress wants to overthrow
[00:12:38] the government, and he is not with
[00:12:41] them. See, we in the India alliance are absolutely united. The India
[00:12:44] alliance is absolutely strong, because we are talking
[00:12:48] about the nation, we are talking about saving the country, we are talking
[00:12:52] about saving democracy in the country, about saving the constitution.
[00:12:55] If you feel so strongly
[00:12:59] that the public is with you, then why are you putting up
[00:13:02] so many barricades, and why are you stopping trains
[00:13:07] opposition, then why are you so scared? Last time you people were saying
[00:13:11] when this CJP protest was happening that what was intelligence doing?
[00:13:15] Why did you allow the protesters to go to the parliament? Why didn't
[00:13:18] you stop them earlier? This time when the government stopped them,
[00:13:22] you are saying, "Look, they have stopped everything." No, no, stopping
[00:13:26] is one thing, and not allowing them to come is another thing. We
[00:13:30] said that you should have sanitized it, that if there were
[00:13:33] anarchic elements, if you say anarchic elements came, you should have caught
[00:13:36] them. But here you didn't let any activist,
[00:13:40] who wanted to raise their voice against the government, come. That's the problem.
[00:13:44] You stopped everyone, which means your intelligence
[00:13:48] department had information that the entire country is awake
[00:13:51] against the government, that's why out of fear
[00:13:55] you jammed all the trains and metros. One thing.
[00:13:59] Secondly, now see, when you feel that you have to
[00:14:02] be dictatorial, then issue an order, say no demonstrations are allowed,
[00:14:06] and these people cannot demonstrate anywhere, the opposition is not
[00:14:10] demonstrating anywhere, no one is there, just ban everything, what's the problem? When
[00:14:14] you don't want to give permission, when the opposition asks for permission,
[00:14:17] you don't want to give permission, so issue a notification
[00:14:21] that no demonstrations can happen in this country, no one can raise their voice
[00:14:25] against the government. Delhi Police gave permission last time,
[00:14:29] right? They gave permission to sit at Jantar Mantar. This time they
[00:14:33] felt, their intelligence said that these people are not good, they want to overthrow the government,
[00:14:37] we will not give permission. Their intelligence said that if the government
[00:14:40] gives permission, the government will fall because the entire public
[00:14:43] is against you. If you give permission, the movement will be big,
[00:14:47] the public will be on the roads, you will have to leave the government under pressure,
[00:14:51] that's why they did this. And the kind of misbehavior you did with the protesters,
[00:14:54] you must have seen the videos. If those videos are considered, the way
[00:14:58] you chased them away, you are chasing them away like this. These are Indians, brother,
[00:15:02] these are our own people, our own blood, our own DNA. You
[00:15:05] are misbehaving with your own people. They are not Pakistanis or Bangladeshis. The way
[00:15:09] you are chasing them with sticks and batons, don't you learn to respect your own people?
[00:15:13] These very people voted for you, these were your voters.
[00:15:16] Today they are against you, against your policies. These were the voters
[00:15:20] who came to protest, they were your voters. Today they are standing against you, that's why you know
[00:15:24] that your voter has turned against you, you have formed governments by stealing
[00:15:27] votes, which you clearly saw in West Bengal, that there
[00:15:31] and I am saying this, Vikas ji, the Supreme Court
[00:15:35] of this country, the Supreme Court's judges, you will listen to them,
[00:15:38] right? What did they do? What did they say? They said that they are dividing
[00:15:42] the citizens of this country into two parts, one who has the right to vote,
[00:15:46] one who does not have the right to vote. This is like taking the soul out of the body.
[00:15:50] This is a threat to the democracy and rule of law of this country.
[00:15:54] The judges of the Supreme Court are saying this, then the BJP should understand,
[00:15:58] right? Respect the honorable court of the Supreme Court, what are the judges saying
[00:16:01] no, even the former judges here are saying the same thing. What did they say? Nareman ji here said
[00:16:05] that 90 lakh votes in West Bengal were
[00:16:38] to dismiss him.
[00:16:41] So what is the intention of the opposition? The Bharatiya Janata Party
[00:16:44] has done this work for dozens of years. They used to sit
[00:16:48] at the Election Commission all day. Arun Jaitley also used to sit
[00:16:51] there, he even used to protest. I want to ask two fundamental questions,
[00:16:55] Vikas, but they didn't throw stones. They didn't assault the police.
[00:16:59] The protests that were within the limits of the law
[00:17:02] were done. Absolutely.
[00:17:05] Absolutely, that should happen. See, the মূল
[00:17:09] core issue is that who exposed the matter
[00:17:13] of vote rigging? It was done by
[00:17:16] the Election Commissioners, two Election
[00:17:19] Commissioners from within the Election Commission. Then this
[00:17:22] question, which was published in two pages of the newspaper, spread
[00:17:26] across the whole country. So we should go to the root, right? Where
[00:17:30] did the anarchy originate from, sir? And
[00:17:34] in 80 years, has this ever happened in this country
[00:17:38] that the people of the country came to the streets for democracy
[00:17:41] and votes? There might have been scams and frauds before, I don't
[00:17:45] deny that, they did happen, but if the situation
[00:17:48] is like this, then we should attack the root,
[00:17:57] saying that they didn't ask for time from the Election Commission, from the Chief Election
[00:18:00] Commissioner. Oh, he is the one in the crosshairs, so it was good that they didn't ask him.
[00:18:04] They asked for time from Gyanesh ji's boss,
[00:18:08] and he called them and met them. And in their claims, they say
[00:18:11] that they have been asked for evidence of vote rigging from him. So what
[00:18:15] problem do you people have? Now he is also going to the Supreme
[00:18:19] Court, so it should
[00:18:20] happen.
[00:18:23] Satish ji, did Rahul ji give the evidence of vote rigging that the President
[00:18:27] asked for, according to you? Did he give the evidence of vote rigging to the
[00:18:30] President? He didn't give it. He will give it. He has announced
[00:18:34] that he will give it in the Supreme Court. And why hasn't he given it yet?
[00:18:38] Now the President will see. Now tell me, the election, now
[00:18:42] news has started coming from the Rashtrapati Bhavan too, Vikas ji. Oh,
[00:18:45] the official spokesperson comes and says
[00:18:49] something. Actually, I tell you the truth,
[00:18:58] place left to hide.
[00:19:02] There is no place to hide.
[00:19:04] Keep wandering, nothing will come of it now.
[00:19:37] When the workers of GPKE, Ranka and the cockroaches
[00:19:40] were detained, tell me the names of 100 people
[00:19:44] who stood in front of them. Tell me the names of 100 people.
[00:19:47] Not even 100 people stood in front of them. They said
[00:19:51] that 13 crore people's names were cut from the voter
[00:19:54] list. Even a lakh people did not stand, because these fake people know
[00:19:58] that the public is not accepting their false narrative, that's why the Nawgaon
[00:20:50] from his chats, it has come out that these people are taking
[00:20:53] inspiration from Ajmal Kasab, the people who are talking about
[00:20:57] taking inspiration from Ajmal Kasab in their entire protest,
[00:21:01] if that is not regime change, then what is it, Anurag Bhadoria? And if it is, then tell
[00:21:04] me, Anurag Bhadoria, why didn't you give a written affidavit? If Anurag Bhadoria
[00:21:08] had so much faith in this protest, then Anurag Bhadoria should give a written affidavit
[00:21:12] that he takes responsibility for any peace. If there is unrest,
[00:21:16] then arrest Anurag Bhadoria. We have no problem with that.
[00:21:20] You have democratic rights. You could have
[00:21:24] done it on the side too.
[00:21:26] थे
[00:21:31] That's why the public is calling you, Bhadoria
[00:21:34] sir, shame on the election.
[00:21:37] What
[00:21:40] is it called, why are you a spokesperson? We are not even asking you questions.
[00:21:43] Tell Akhilesh ji to resign.
[00:21:46] जीगल है
[00:21:58] Let's go to Pooja, and let's talk about the questions raised by Pradeep
[00:22:07] workers carrying Congress flags and wearing saffron headbands
[00:22:11] are coming out in a line. Now
[00:22:13] Pradeep Bhandari is saying that this is a conspiracy
[00:22:17] to defame saffron and defame Hindus.
[00:22:20] Anurag ji, this rule book, of theirs, to defame others,
[00:22:33] Hindu Vahini, something something party leaders, are saying that
[00:22:37] these girls are available for ₹300, we sleep with them all night and the next day they
[00:22:41] come to protest. Do you support them? Because the way
[00:22:44] you are defending
[00:22:46] them, defending them.
[00:24:20] Why is there such a big silence in Congress? Why are your top leaders
[00:24:23] not commenting on this? Girls, children
[00:24:27] have made such serious allegations regarding giving marks.
[00:24:31] And a Congress MP is a professor, there is silence in the entire Congress.
[00:24:34] Is this double standard supporting them?
[00:24:38] Is Congress asking for votes with them, like Prime Minister
[00:24:41] Modi?
[00:24:44] Acceptance.
[00:24:46] It's a Sanskrit saying, if you are silent, then you are supporting.
[00:24:50] Tell me one thing, has anyone
[00:24:54] he is being investigated, and if he is guilty, then whatever
[00:24:57] the fault is
[00:25:00] not even a statement came from any top leader regarding women's respect.
[00:25:03] Aren't these the double standards of Congress's top leaders?
[00:25:07] I would say that no one in Congress
[00:25:10] supported him. But does Pradeep Bhandari support that Delhi Police
[00:25:14] constable or whoever that man was who was groping
[00:25:17] the girl? Does Pradeep Bhandari support him?
[00:26:38] K Singh, on the JNU matter, the silence of political parties,
[00:26:42] the silence of Congress, a Congress MP has been found guilty,
[00:26:46] he has been dismissed from JNU. Do you think there are double
[00:26:49] standards in Congress?
[00:26:52] Absolutely, Congress should immediately expel him, immediately dismiss him.
[00:26:55] Absolutely dismiss him. And they should give their opinion on this.
[00:26:59] But the accusation of vote rigging, we don't stop
[00:27:03] at that. Here, he has been found guilty
[00:27:06] of exploiting 11 girls. Here, people have been found guilty
[00:27:10] of cutting 13 crore names. And who said this?
[00:27:13] Who said this? We are saying that Gyanesh Kumar ji,
[00:27:17] the entire election commission,
[00:27:21] this is what the election said, how will Pradeep
[00:27:24] Bhandari defend that? And if he does, then his
[00:27:28] affiliated organization has become
[00:27:30] an election today.
[00:28:33] Did the clarification that came out make everything clear,
[00:28:36] like milk and water?
[00:28:40] No, Vikas Bhai, it seems that the Election Commission has
[00:28:43] put forward its side, but the main matter is still in the Supreme Court.
[00:28:46] What response do they file in the Supreme Court, and how does the Supreme Court
[00:28:50] take that response? I think we will have to see that the Supreme Court is thoroughly
[00:28:54] investigating this matter. The Supreme Court has taken all the questions, and the Supreme Court
[00:28:58] has said that if we feel that something wrong has happened regarding SIR, then we will stop
[00:29:02] the entire process. So in the Supreme Court, what response do the Election Commission, the Chief Election
[00:29:05] Commissioner, both Election Commissioners, and IT DG file? The Supreme Court
[00:29:09] takes its observation and makes a decision. This will be something to watch. And I think,
[00:29:13] when this movement is going on,
[00:29:17] they have also gone to the Supreme Court. Shouldn't they have waited for the court's decision?
[00:29:21] I think they shouldn't have gone to the Supreme Court.
[00:29:25] When two
[00:29:28] members of the Election Commission raised questions, then
[00:29:32] all three of them, including the Election Commission, should have come forward and made a press
[00:29:36] statement, explained everything. They should have held a press conference,
[00:29:39] presented it to the public, and everything would have been clear. There would have been no need
[00:29:43] to go to the honorable Supreme Court.
[00:29:45] This government
[00:29:48] has news from you that there was no agreement
[00:29:52] regarding your decisions. Pradeep
[00:29:55] Bhandari, all three of them, all three Election Commissioners, should have come
[00:29:59] and assured the people of the country, should have told them.