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[00:00:34] In the city of Semenov, Nizhny Novgorod region, a man, in front of his
[00:00:38] friends, doused his ex-lover with a flammable liquid and
[00:00:41] set her on fire. A criminal case has been initiated against the man
[00:00:45] accused of committing a crime under Part Three of Article
[00:00:48] Thirty, Part One of Article 105 of the Criminal Code of the Russian
[00:00:51] Federation, attempted murder. There was no living
[00:00:55] spot left on the victim's body. She was taken to intensive care in critical
[00:00:59] condition, where she remained in an artificial coma for 4 days. The man
[00:01:02] was detained, and the court chose a measure of restraint against him in the form of detention
[00:01:06] in custody. Why did the man decide to burn his ex-lover?
[00:01:10] coal, it was so scary, these little things,
[00:01:13] they accumulated and then an explosion occurred, it was done
[00:01:17] specially, that is, there is already an understanding of who and what this person
[00:01:21] is, a spineless animal, why didn't the friends who were nearby
[00:01:24] stop him, she just burst into flames like a torch,
[00:01:27] and what the victim herself said when...
[00:01:30] she came to her senses in the hospital, I think that at the moment when all this happened to her, she
[00:01:33] said goodbye to life, she even told me, take
[00:01:37] me home, I want
[00:01:38] to die,
[00:01:41] she had a premonition that sooner or later her daughter's relationship would end
[00:01:45] in tragedy, in the studio is the mother of the victim, Tatyana
[00:01:48] Sirotkina,
[00:01:54] Tatyana, hello, what you had to go through, I wouldn't wish it on any
[00:01:57] mother, how are you holding up?
[00:02:02] How am I holding up? I came to your program,
[00:02:05] to ask for help, so that
[00:02:08] this scoundrel would be punished,
[00:02:11] the main thing is what state your daughter is in now, in a
[00:02:14] serious, in a very serious state, I can't look at
[00:02:18] her, but she is conscious, conscious, thank
[00:02:21] God, what was most severely affected, what
[00:02:24] body parts, everything was affected, head,
[00:02:28] face, terrible,
[00:02:30] hands, body, everything,
[00:02:34] practically, fingers, everything, her eyes
[00:02:37] see, her eyes see, thank God, uh-huh, it didn't go
[00:02:41] without surgery, there were three operations,
[00:02:44] a skin graft, I didn't
[00:02:47] specify where, but there was an operation on her hands, they even wanted to amputate
[00:02:51] her hand, but they saved it, do you know what
[00:02:55] percentage of burns, well, that's what they told me initially in
[00:02:58] Semenov in intensive care, 40-50%.
[00:03:02] Stanislav, 50% is a large area of damage. This
[00:03:05] is a huge area of damage. The thing is, in this case, it's not so much
[00:03:09] a burn, but rather burn disease that develops. And this is a very serious
[00:03:13] condition of the body, with a huge percentage of fatal
[00:03:16] outcomes. All internal organs are affected, huge intoxication.
[00:03:20] Not only the burn, but also the overall damage to the body is critical. And
[00:03:24] the fact that they wanted to amputate her arm, apparently, there was such severe
[00:03:27] gangrene, probably some necrosis took place.
[00:04:00] take me home, I want to die, terrible
[00:04:04] words, I sympathize with you very much, because the
[00:04:07] situation is very difficult, but there is always
[00:04:11] hope, and we will hope for the best, the main thing is to psychologically
[00:04:15] tune her
[00:04:17] to life, after all, to life, any life is still life,
[00:04:21] Tatyana, do you remember when you saw her for the first time after what happened,
[00:04:24] well, of course, I got a call, I
[00:04:28] rushed to the hospital. right to intensive care, because I am a
[00:04:31] medic, and I worked in this
[00:04:34] hospital, so they immediately let me in,
[00:04:38] of course, I saw her, what did
[00:04:40] you see,
[00:04:43] coal,
[00:04:45] everything was so sad, everything was so scary, at that
[00:04:49] moment you understood what happened, or you didn't know about the
[00:04:52] tragedy yet, no, I didn't know the events,
[00:04:56] it was later, she didn't
[00:04:59] tell me. Of course, the neighbors already had
[00:05:02] talks, but she herself didn't tell you anything, she
[00:05:06] is such a secretive person that she didn't say anything, I didn't even
[00:05:09] torment her, you provided us with a video from... from
[00:05:12] the hospital, let's watch. Bandaged
[00:05:16] from head to toe, Olga lies on a hospital bed,
[00:05:18] the thirty-three-year-old woman with difficulty opens her eyes and mouth, but for the sake
[00:05:22] of her ex receiving the harshest punishment, she is ready to tell
[00:05:26] everything even through pain. My ex-boyfriend
[00:05:30] doused me with gasoline and
[00:05:33] set me on fire. There were people nearby, no one
[00:05:36] helped. I don't remember anything else.
[00:05:40] Stanislav, looking at these shots.
[00:05:43] uh, what can you say about Tatyana's daughter's condition?
[00:05:46] Well, I can say that she is holding up well,
[00:05:50] because this is insane pain, and this pain, well, she can't
[00:05:53] move, she can't stir, yes, almost the entire front surface
[00:05:56] of her torso, I'm surprised she can even talk at all, yes, her face is burned,
[00:06:00] well, she's just all over, and it all hurts very much, it all
[00:06:03] brings insane suffering, and painkillers certainly
[00:06:06] relieve it, but they don't deprive people of sensation. The next
[00:06:10] question is that this is a very tricky story. Why? Because sometimes
[00:06:13] the patient's condition may seem better than it actually
[00:06:17] is. The overall condition of a person with severe intoxication should
[00:06:21] be very bad. I think she is certainly holding up well,
[00:06:24] being brave. Yes, yes, but it is very difficult for her.
[00:06:27] Inna, looking at such a lesion,
[00:06:30] can you imagine what the girl
[00:06:33] had to endure? Yes, I suspect that it's just
[00:06:36] an incredible shock, because you can expect anything,
[00:06:40] but not that you'll be doused with gasoline. And set on fire, and you'll
[00:06:43] literally turn into a torch, that is,
[00:06:47] well, not only is it a shock, I think that it's not even a shock, it's
[00:06:50] some kind of horror that a person experiences, well, that is,
[00:06:53] it's, well, it's a state of death that a person
[00:06:56] enters, that is, on the verge of life or death, and it is decided in
[00:07:00] an instant, I think that at the moment when all this happened to her, she
[00:07:04] said goodbye to life, probably that's why she tells her mother
[00:07:07] such terrible words, but for any mother to hear such words
[00:07:11] from her daughter, that...
[00:07:43] to douse the girl with gasoline and set her on fire,
[00:07:46] Tatyana, what happened there, how did your daughter end up
[00:07:50] at this man's place,
[00:07:53] you know, I can't say, she didn't
[00:07:56] tell me, she just said that
[00:07:59] she would go to work at two o'clock, I didn't
[00:08:03] know that after six months,
[00:08:06] practically
[00:08:08] not living with him, she went to me, that is, to...
[00:08:23] to him, he didn't come, I can't say what attracted her that day,
[00:08:26] maybe she wanted to take something
[00:08:29] from him, some of her things, well, and before
[00:08:32] they broke up, how long were they together, about
[00:08:36] two years, she used to leave
[00:08:39] him, and why did she leave, because he beat
[00:08:42] her, but she didn't tell me, this is all from
[00:08:45] the words of neighbors, but you somehow found out about it, how often did he
[00:08:49] beat her, how badly, I don't
[00:08:52] know how often, but once I came to
[00:08:55] her, we I came for her, she was
[00:08:58] badly beaten, what injuries did
[00:09:01] your daughter have, bruises, on her
[00:09:05] arms, on her legs, under
[00:09:07] her eyes, at that moment you didn't take her away from this cohabitant, you
[00:09:11] took her away, I took her, but she still
[00:09:14] went back to him later, well, he called,
[00:09:17] apologized, constantly,
[00:09:20] came, but she didn't file a report against him, I suppose,
[00:09:24] no, why, you advised her, surely, or
[00:09:27] not, oh, I generally
[00:09:30] advised her to leave him, I always
[00:09:34] had a premonition that this would all end badly, Tatyana, I
[00:09:38] apologize, but usually
[00:09:41] a woman, in this victim syndrome, something comes from
[00:09:45] childhood, maybe she was an unloved child, maybe she wanted,
[00:09:48] maybe, thank you for what you said, yes Tanechka, yes,
[00:09:52] you see, where this comes from, yes, that is, she wants to be
[00:09:55] good, she wants to be with this man to say, I'm good,
[00:09:58] good, why are you hitting me, that is, this happens with these
[00:10:02] victims, to such an extent, why didn't the girl leave,
[00:10:05] the man is a strong manipulator, 100%, he
[00:10:09] manipulated her, broke her self-esteem, said I'm better than
[00:10:40] well, if we summarize, do you assume that during these six months of alleged separation, of which her mother was aware, she met with him, not at night, but during the day, maybe
[00:10:43] somewhere, briefly, because she
[00:10:47] seemed to want to forgive him,
[00:10:51] but she was embarrassed in front of her mother, I decided to break up, but in the end not...
[00:11:27] Natalia, how did you end up at the scene that day? The
[00:11:31] accused called me,
[00:11:34] and we decided to meet, he called me a taxi, I
[00:11:38] came to his house, and who are you to him, we are just
[00:11:40] friends, there are no
[00:11:44] relations between you and there never were, was there before, well,
[00:11:48] when I was about 13, we dated him, you could say that
[00:11:51] he was your first love, probably, yes, but at that...
[00:12:25] he, why would I take her, she was there, excuse
[00:12:28] me, I'll say, can I, yes,
[00:12:31] there, well, that's how he started
[00:12:33] being rude to her, then somehow everything turned into
[00:12:37] other conversations, we talked, and maybe
[00:12:41] about, well, probably 20 minutes,
[00:12:44] Olya flew in and started yelling at him that why weren't you
[00:12:48] answering the phone,
[00:12:51] he, well, he also started being rude to her, she...
[00:12:55] Natasha, your husband is serving, why are you here, I told her, Olya, I said, well, we're just
[00:12:58] sitting, talking, nothing special, and Olya knew
[00:13:01] that we used to date him, maybe there was some jealousy or
[00:13:05] something, she hit him on the cheek, then
[00:13:09] suddenly, well, I thought it was water, to be honest, he
[00:13:13] splashed it, maybe to calm her down, or something,
[00:13:16] well, and he splashed her,
[00:13:19] then he set her
[00:13:22] on fire, she just flared
[00:13:25] up like a torch, our friend who was with us, he quickly
[00:13:28] started extinguishing her, and how did they extinguish the girl, he
[00:13:32] covered her with a blanket, you understand, when I came up to her,
[00:13:35] I was in such shock, it all happened so quickly, it all happened
[00:13:39] instantly, well, imagine,
[00:13:43] it's hard to imagine, if honestly, when you came up to her, was she
[00:13:46] still burning, no, she was no longer burning, what did you
[00:13:49] start doing, well, I go up to her, Olya-Olya,
[00:13:53] I touch her, well, with my hands, and I'm in shock, she's all lying there,
[00:13:57] imagine, you started a bonfire, yes, well, this log,
[00:14:00] excuse me for such a word, of course, it's not good, yes,
[00:14:03] to compare, this charred log me,
[00:14:07] you understand,
[00:14:11] she's all black, she's just, I touch Olya, I'm in
[00:14:14] shock, first of all, you understand, her eyes
[00:14:17] are open, her hair is all burned, I even remember
[00:14:20] how her hair, well, she was
[00:14:24] lying there somehow... so strangely, well,
[00:14:27] this was still melting,
[00:14:31] smoldering, smoldering, yes, that's it, Vitaly, how should one act in such situations,
[00:14:35] if you see that a person, God forbid, has caught fire,
[00:14:37] is burning? Well, here the actions were basically correct,
[00:14:41] you always need to cover with something so that oxygen
[00:14:44] does not have access and further burning does not
[00:14:47] occur, and given that it was
[00:14:51] a flammable liquid, well, or acetone or something similar.
[00:14:55] Yes, it immediately gets into all places, it
[00:14:58] is highly volatile, and of course, such fires are very difficult
[00:15:01] to extinguish, water is useless, water was useless,
[00:15:05] and the fact is that with water, the doctor can confirm me, it is not always necessary
[00:15:08] to do this, so as not to, when water mixes with flammable
[00:15:12] liquid, to cause further intoxication of the body,
[00:15:16] intoxication of open wounds, well, here the opinions differ, but
[00:15:20] it is considered that, first, prevent oxygen access, second,
[00:15:23] cool the burn site.
[00:15:45] it splashes and the burning area increases. If we're talking about gasoline, the main thing is that the vapors ignite, they burn out instantly, there's not much left. Therefore, for example, water could have been
[00:15:49] added here, but the question is how quickly you can gather such a volume to douse
[00:15:53] the whole person, right? While you're getting glasses, something will continue, so
[00:15:56] the quickest thing is to cover it with something, like a fire blanket, just some
[00:16:00] blanket, preferably not synthetic, because any
[00:16:03] synthetic jacket will just burn and melt.
[00:16:08] You
[00:16:13] shouldn't touch anything at that moment, you need to call medics, that's all,
[00:16:17] because if you remove it, a - it hurts, b -
[00:16:20] it's non-sterile instruments at home, non-sterile hands,
[00:16:24] yes, it's simply introducing new infections, plus tissue
[00:16:27] trauma, there's a very high probability of bleeding developing
[00:16:31] immediately, because the skin is burned, the underlying blood vessels will just start bursting and the person
[00:16:34] will start bleeding out, and that's horribly painful.
[00:17:07] indifference, it speaks of his initial intent, it speaks of the fact that he committed
[00:17:11] a crime, he wanted death,
[00:17:13] from my point of view, it speaks of the fact that he absolutely did not feel guilty
[00:17:17] for what he had done, probably, yes, because when we were at the police station,
[00:17:20] I was first in one office, and he was in another
[00:17:24] office, then they moved me to that office, well, there were a lot
[00:17:27] of police there too, he was sitting on a chair, then they took him away,
[00:17:31] and he looked at me with such eyes, you know, as if
[00:17:34] nothing at all, well, nothing, I remember that...
[00:17:37] gaze, I'm shaking all over, I can't, I'm in shock, I just
[00:17:41] tell him, I say, you scumbag, I say, you, you ruined everyone's life, I say, you
[00:17:45] destroyed the girl, and does he realize this, do you think, he
[00:17:49] has such a blank stare, well, empty, as if he didn't do
[00:17:53] anything at all, well, empty too, you know, there's an detached stare, when a person is so in
[00:17:56] shock from what he did and repents, does he
[00:17:59] repent, I don't know, I think, probably,
[00:18:02] no, but Natalia just said an interesting phrase, when they came out, he
[00:18:06] told her that she...
[00:18:37] it sounded, but we judge this based
[00:18:40] on information from one side, the other side says:
[00:18:43] yes, Natasha came and says that she
[00:18:46] flew in, slapped him, we don't know yet
[00:18:50] if he reacted immediately to this slap or something
[00:18:53] else, question two, at some point he
[00:18:56] grabbed some dish, the question is what dish, was it a bottle,
[00:19:00] was it a glass, what was it, a bottle, well, a plastic
[00:19:04] bottle, where did he even get it, open or closed?
[00:19:07] bottle, he unscrewed, splashed, unscrewed splashed, could this be in
[00:19:11] a state of affect, prolonged affect, as it is called,
[00:19:14] when he was driven to such a state, Tatyana said that she
[00:19:18] saw her with bruises, and we don't know the origin of these bruises, because she is
[00:19:22] a partisan, as you say, she said nothing, where did she get
[00:19:25] the bruises, the question is, you took her, yes, that's clear, bruises, daughter, you
[00:19:29] know, she probably beat herself, pretending, she beat herself, and
[00:19:33] then called her mom and said I was
[00:19:34] sick,
[00:19:37] what kind of nonsense are you talking about? You saw the footage,
[00:19:40] what happened to her, she's all covered in burns, what are you
[00:19:44] talking about? It became known that he opened the bottle, that means
[00:19:47] it was done on purpose, that is, there is already an understanding of who and what
[00:19:51] this person is, and just as I called him an animal, I will call him again
[00:19:54] a spineless animal, there's no other way to say it, what doubts can
[00:19:58] all those present here have, whether he beat her before or not, if we
[00:20:02] see the consequences of this incident, of this
[00:20:05] crime in legal terms.
[00:20:16] wanted to cause her death, do you have doubts that he beat her before
[00:20:19] that, it could have been a cumulative effect, let's ask
[00:20:22] Natalia, she is not a specialist, but she was there, which is very important, from your
[00:20:26] point of view, was this done in a state of affect, at least as I
[00:20:29] know
[00:20:33] him, this is not the first such case, well, not...
[00:20:37] arson, I mean, well, tell me, what else happened? Well, when we
[00:20:41] met him, he just wouldn't let me
[00:20:44] pass, I was hit by a car on his
[00:20:47] initiative, I got a concussion. Well, then my dad takes
[00:20:51] me, we don't file any report, he didn't actually
[00:20:54] bear any responsibility for that, no, then before that, when we
[00:20:58] were already dating, I found out that he was, well, cheating, yes, well,
[00:21:01] the girl is 13 years old, you love her, this is your first
[00:21:04] love,
[00:21:06] I started, and we hung out in the same company with this girl, when
[00:21:10] I found out that he was cheating on me with her, we had
[00:21:13] a scandal with her, to be honest, we even
[00:21:17] pulled each other's hair, well, and... where we
[00:21:20] hung out, well, according to us, yes, that's the cage,
[00:21:23] a company gathered there, there was a bath near the
[00:21:26] bathhouse, I was left to blame, he drowned
[00:21:30] me in that bath, just by my hair, he drowned
[00:21:34] me, he didn't get punished for it again, again he didn't get anything, they
[00:21:38] just took me away from him on a motorcycle to another
[00:21:41] place, and why didn't anyone raise the alarm,
[00:21:44] the person does terrible things,
[00:21:47] which should actually be criminally punishable. No one files
[00:21:50] a report, raises the alarm, or contacts anyone,
[00:21:53] it was like that, that they lived near
[00:21:57] the station, they had a two-story house, we came to visit him
[00:22:00] then, he just sat on me and started hitting
[00:22:03] me, imagine, well, blood
[00:22:06] splashes in one direction, in the other direction, and even after
[00:22:10] that you didn't go to file a report, even after that I didn't go, why
[00:22:14] please explain to me, I don't know, probably there was some, first of all, maybe
[00:22:17] fear, fear of love? Well, I don't, I don't
[00:22:21] know, I won't explain, I'm surprised at you, Natalia, well, you were
[00:22:24] 13 years old when you endured all those abuses that you
[00:22:28] went through, but why continue to communicate with this person, you say, I
[00:22:31] came to visit him, what kind of visit, he almost
[00:22:35] killed you then, I apologize, Tatyana, I don't
[00:22:38] understand you either, you were there, I was there, you should have
[00:22:41] said, when he was beating her, you say, you brought her
[00:22:45] home, yes, I would have dragged this daughter by her hair, I wouldn't have
[00:22:49] ... locked her up, she's an adult,
[00:22:53] I won't tie her down, you can't forbid a person. Tatyana, when I asked
[00:22:56] Natalia if she thinks he repents or not, you
[00:23:00] shook your head, you're sure he doesn't
[00:23:02] repent,
[00:23:05] not at all. In your opinion, what punishment should he receive? The
[00:23:08] full extent of the law. At the moment he is in a pre-trial detention center, in
[00:23:12] a pre-trial detention center, yes, in Nizhny Novgorod. What charges
[00:23:15] have been brought against him? 105, attempted
[00:23:18] murder, unequivocally. In his actions, it is precisely 105 that is seen -
[00:23:22] this is murder, but not murder as a completed
[00:23:24] crime, namely attempted murder, and I would say that most
[00:23:28] likely, it is still part two, point with particular cruelty,
[00:23:32] because gasoline is precisely the qualifying sign that falls under this
[00:23:35] article, punishment up to 20 years of imprisonment, is it really
[00:23:39] for the sake of a man who set her on fire, Olga even left her
[00:23:42] child, the child lives with his father,
[00:23:45] I even told her not to
[00:23:48] take him, probably the father, in my opinion, is a more adequate
[00:23:51] person, and what could have driven the accused to such savagery, according to
[00:23:55] his friend, she lived with one, then with
[00:23:58] another, left her ex, with this she also mocked him a little, most
[00:24:02] likely, we will find out in a few
[00:26:03] Does he even realize he has a problem? In the morning,
[00:26:06] yes, during the day he dreams of getting rid of it, and in the evening
[00:26:09] again, everything's fine, leave me alone,
[00:26:12] good heavens, it used to be only on Fridays, then after
[00:26:15] work, then I relax like that, and now
[00:26:19] I already recognize his steps in the stairwell, how tipsy he
[00:26:22] is, the children notice,
[00:26:25] of course, like our Lenka,
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[00:29:46] beyond in a split second a young woman burst into flames like
[00:29:49] a torch, her ex-partner set her on fire in front of acquaintances, miraculously
[00:29:53] surviving, the unfortunate woman has already undergone several operations, now her
[00:29:57] mother wants to achieve the most severe punishment for the arsonist, another
[00:30:00] acquaintance...
[00:30:02] of the detained victim, is sure that if she had been there, the tragedy would not
[00:30:06] have happened. In the studio, Tatiana Korol. Hello,
[00:30:09] Tatiana.
[00:30:17] Tatiana, why do you think you could have prevented the trouble if
[00:30:20] you were nearby? Well, because nothing like that ever happened when I was around. And who are
[00:30:24] you to whom? Well, we all live on the same
[00:30:28] street. The victim first lived in another
[00:30:31] house. Well, with her husband, and our
[00:30:35] children became friends, our children were close in age, roughly speaking, in the same
[00:30:39] sandbox, so we, accordingly, also
[00:30:43] as mothers, gathered, sat, walked, and
[00:30:46] what impression did she make on you as a woman, as a mother?
[00:30:49] Well, she appeared on our street in 2015, even when
[00:30:52] she was pregnant, so the child
[00:30:56] was born in front of us, a year later my child
[00:30:59] was also born. Well...
[00:31:15] And what happened in 2023? Well,
[00:31:18] there was a conflict among our friends because of our
[00:31:21] children. What kind? Well, in short, my
[00:31:24] fingers were broken. Who? One of our neighbors, one of
[00:31:28] our friends, mothers, Tatiana's daughter, no, and
[00:31:32] what does Olga have to do with it? When the police arrived, when I filed a statement, because one
[00:31:36] finger on my left hand, on my right hand, was
[00:31:39] crushed in the iron door.
[00:31:42] It turned out that the case was closed, I wrote:
[00:32:15] She started to be jealous. Well, and did
[00:32:18] you know this man well? Yes, we knew him, because we live on the same street. So,
[00:32:21] besides neighborly relations,
[00:32:23] did anything connect you with this
[00:32:27] man? Last year he started
[00:32:30] courting me. Did these advances lead to anything? Did you have a romantic relationship? Well, yes,
[00:32:34] he gave gifts to my children. Do I understand correctly that he was courting you
[00:32:38] at a time when he was officially, as it were, dating Tatiana's
[00:32:41] daughter? Yes, yes, he said, "That's it, I kicked her out."
[00:32:45] Everything, we broke up, and you believed him? Why shouldn't I
[00:32:49] believe him? I was a single woman at that time. And how did you find out about what
[00:32:52] happened? I found out that day, September 3rd,
[00:32:55] I'm walking my children from a club, we stopped at
[00:32:59] the end of the street here, well, neighbors are
[00:33:02] standing, looking into his windows,
[00:33:06] and they're saying something. I'm saying, "What happened?" They
[00:33:08] say, "Well, it's like this and that, that he doused her with gasoline,"
[00:33:12] and lit her with a lighter. My...
[00:33:19] ambulances there, well, there were a lot of cars, I
[00:33:23] say, "How could that be?" I called another neighbor,
[00:33:27] she tells me, "There was a girl there, and because of the girl,
[00:33:30] did all this happen?" In short, that is, Olga
[00:33:33] was jealous of Natalia, right? What kind of
[00:33:36] relationship did she have with Olga? Well, you understand, we had, if we had
[00:33:40] a relationship, ours was calmer, I'm a family person, my children are always my first
[00:33:44] priority, so I... I won't go anywhere, he's there,
[00:33:47] "Come to me," well, I know that people gather at his place, I won't go there, I don't
[00:33:51] want to, and Olga, isn't she like that? She also has a child, the child
[00:33:55] lives with his father, and he doesn't live with her. And Tatiana, why
[00:33:59] does your daughter, your granddaughter live? They
[00:34:01] agreed during the divorce,
[00:34:04] that until Olya doesn't
[00:34:08] take her, because I even told her not
[00:34:12] to take her, why because of him?
[00:34:45] Here all these inclinations, one is
[00:34:47] drowned, another is knocked down, a third is set on fire, what
[00:34:51] is happening in general? I think the father has seen all this already, he saved
[00:34:54] the child, yes, he just protected him from this Alectina, and the fact
[00:34:58] that the mother so easily gives away her daughter, choosing in
[00:35:02] fact a man, yes, a new one, how does
[00:35:05] that characterize her? Well, I would say as a flighty
[00:35:09] person, I don't understand why, why is this
[00:35:12] necessary? Why did you come to him? Why, what
[00:35:16] to talk about? Your lives are different. I don't understand
[00:35:19] the reason why you are all flocking to
[00:35:23] him like flies, Alectina, following up on your
[00:35:26] words, I still don't understand why everyone persistently
[00:35:29] forgives him, yes, they return, despite
[00:35:33] the fact that they have already been killed, and overkilled, they still
[00:35:36] go and open up to love, they
[00:35:40] even say that he's not such a bad person, Tatiana, do you have
[00:35:43] an explanation why? Which
[00:36:28] led
[00:36:36] to arguments and violence, and on
[00:36:39] both sides, as I understand, this violence took place during
[00:36:42] arguments. At some point, it seems, one thing
[00:36:46] coincided with another in her head, that her suspicions
[00:36:49] were not unfounded. Natalia, in the moment when she was there,
[00:36:53] she simply became a trigger that unleashed this inner jealousy.
[00:37:27] Sergey, how often did your friend and Olga argue? Before the situation,
[00:37:31] let's say, an unpleasant one, I was visiting
[00:37:34] him, he invited me, we
[00:37:37] had a conversation about work, he asked,
[00:37:41] so I went to visit him, we went in,
[00:37:44] sat down, I said, "Why are you alone?" He says, "Well, I'm alone
[00:37:48] now," so we started talking,
[00:37:52] we were talking, then someone knocked on his door, I
[00:37:55] say, "Well, go out," maybe I thought, neighbors, maybe... that thing, he went out,
[00:37:59] opened the door a crack, they started, let's say, well,
[00:38:03] a verbal conversation in raised tones,
[00:38:06] so, but he's saying something, that is, like I'm not alone, then they
[00:38:10] came in, let's say, I saw a girl, he
[00:38:14] says, "This is my wife," common-law wife, let's say,
[00:38:17] well, that's it, that is, we continue our dialogue with him, she starts
[00:38:21] getting into our dialogue, "Who is this?" well, at me, that is, like,
[00:38:25] "What is he doing here? I'm nothing to you," she started, that is, like to switch
[00:38:29] to him, that's it, I just
[00:38:32] tell my friend, I say, "Let's better
[00:38:35] talk outside," that is, I tried to smooth
[00:38:38] things over, but it didn't work, she
[00:38:41] started, like, raising her hands, swinging at him, what
[00:38:44] is this, he says to him, "Calm down,"
[00:38:47] I already, I couldn't stand it, I say, "I don't like
[00:38:50] seeing this," so I say, "That's it," I say, "I'm
[00:38:53] leaving," well, I'm not interested, that's what I say, nevertheless, throughout
[00:38:56] this... period, what she shouted, at least some quotes,
[00:39:00] what, what claims did she make against him? She supposedly,
[00:39:03] "Why did you kick me out?" He says, "We'll talk about
[00:39:07] this later," so, well, don't be there with me, I understood that he didn't tell her the reason,
[00:39:10] but all this happened on the eve of the tragedy, yes, on the eve, it happened on
[00:39:14] the eve. Sergey, what do you think happened
[00:39:17] on the day of the tragedy? As far as I know, he asked
[00:39:21] her to leave the apartment, he asked her to leave
[00:39:24] repeatedly, even the neighbors heard
[00:39:27] screams, well, they had, it turns out, a
[00:39:30] conflict, perhaps verbal, the neighbors even asked
[00:39:34] her, "Please, leave." And why did he let her into
[00:39:37] the apartment, you see, but
[00:39:40] she, as far as I know, yes, she lived with
[00:39:43] one, then with another, she went back to her ex, that is, like this,
[00:39:47] today with one, tomorrow with another, like this. Her mother says that
[00:39:50] he was the only one in her life, where is your mother, you mother,
[00:39:54] forgive me, she went to her husband, well, they didn't...
[00:39:57] live, but they didn't live, but she met him, went to him, to
[00:40:01] him, I don't know, well, I don't know, but I know that she left, yes, she
[00:40:04] went to her husband, accordingly, my friend,
[00:40:08] well, he's also uncomfortable at heart, no matter what, yes, but
[00:40:11] they had a family argument, figuratively speaking, there, well, he kicked
[00:40:15] her out, yes, it's his apartment, well, he, could she have been with you
[00:40:18] there, well, at her mother's, no questions, he might not have had any, that is,
[00:40:22] well, no jealousy there or anything else, she goes to her ex-
[00:40:25] husband, her daughter lives with her husband, but
[00:40:29] to visit her daughter, I understand, that is, let's say, there
[00:40:33] you came, yes,
[00:40:36] you were there, well, for a day, even a night, yes, but not for a week,
[00:40:39] a week, she didn't go to that husband, she
[00:40:43] called another guy her husband,
[00:40:46] another one, yes, in 2023 we met her at
[00:40:50] the polyclinic, she was walking with a guy, but
[00:40:54] not that one, I started to question her about those statements.
[00:40:57] Why about me, she goes so brazenly, I say, why
[00:41:01] did you make the case closed? I wanted, well, a fair
[00:41:05] end, well, my fingers, my hands, I couldn't go to the bathroom, because
[00:41:08] all my hands were, and it was, well, in a cast in this, she
[00:41:12] says, "Now I'll call my husband," and I say, "Who is she?" She calls this
[00:41:15] young man, he arrives completely runs
[00:41:19] up, such a weakling, so thin and small, did you know about
[00:41:22] this man? That is, was it the third one or is this
[00:41:25] the father with the daughter? No, no,
[00:41:27] I know about this man, but I know that she
[00:41:31] didn't live with him, maybe she didn't live, she visited, well,
[00:41:35] she visited, she visited, eventually she lived. Vladimir, what do you think, this
[00:41:38] inconsistency. If
[00:48:17] the limit. A mother asks for justice for her daughter.
[00:48:20] Her ex-partner set her on fire and didn't even...
[00:48:52] There really was a whole company in the apartment, says another
[00:48:56] ex of the accused, Natalia Zaumorova. She and their mutual friend
[00:48:59] were sitting at the table with the host when Olga appeared at the doorstep and started
[00:49:02] a scandal. She hit him on the cheek, then suddenly,
[00:49:06] well, I thought it was just water,
[00:49:10] he splashed it on her then
[00:49:13] he set her on fire, she just burst into flames like
[00:49:16] a torch. Her friend rushed to extinguish Olga, they called an ambulance
[00:49:20] and the police. Tatiana Sirotkina learned about what happened to her daughter
[00:49:24] from her neighbors and immediately rushed to the hospital. I was in
[00:49:27] shock.
[00:49:29] It was just charcoal. I was scared.
[00:49:33] Another friend of the accused, Sergey Sukhorebrov, witnessed the argument
[00:49:36] of the exes on the eve of the tragedy. He claims that the couple's relationship was always
[00:49:40] difficult, but in his opinion, it was Olga who added fuel to the fire
[00:49:44] with her constant infidelities. She
[00:49:47] lived with one, then with another, went back to her ex, that is,
[00:49:50] like that. My friend, well, he's also uncomfortable at heart, on the day of
[00:49:54] the tragedy were you visiting your friend? No, I was just
[00:49:58] told, they called and said, "There's such a situation, our mutual
[00:50:02] acquaintance called, says, 'Have you heard the news?'" I say, "What
[00:50:05] news?" He says, "Your friend
[00:50:09] burned," he told me, initially,
[00:50:11] "burned
[00:50:13] his common-law wife," immediately believed? I say,
[00:50:17] "What do you mean, burned?" He
[00:50:19] says, "Well, like that." If he really did exactly what you were told, does he
[00:50:23] deserve punishment?
[00:50:26] Punishment, for every action you need to answer, no matter what you did,
[00:50:29] of course, this is very cruel in relation, well, to this act, it's cruel,
[00:50:33] it would be better, roughly speaking, to give him a slap, well, figuratively speaking, throw
[00:50:37] him out, but not to that extent. Sergey, are you familiar with
[00:50:40] Natalia? With Natalia? Yes, no, you are not aware
[00:50:43] that he drowned her, beat her for some reasons? He didn't
[00:50:47] tell you? No, I've known him for only, well, 3 years. In 3 years
[00:50:51] he never showed aggression.
[00:51:52] ran away to him simply from, as
[00:51:55] she told me, "Mom, I was embarrassed
[00:51:59] to come to you," this, she, she,
[00:52:03] the question is, why did she come back? When
[00:52:20] a wife runs away to such a friend, she shouldn't,
[00:52:23] why, do you think she went to a man and not to her
[00:52:25] mother? She was afraid
[00:52:28] of me, no, I think that some
[00:52:32] things she simply couldn't say to her mother out of
[00:52:35] delicacy and her character. She should have said it, there was a
[00:52:39] need, well, her friends, she is jealous of her friends, she doesn't even
[00:52:42] know, this one was with him, that one was with him, this, this, this
[00:52:46] is absolute jealousy, well, she could have come to Anastasia, she came
[00:52:49] to you, she came, we talked on the phone, we had a lot,
[00:52:52] yes, a lot of conversations, she always said, told that he
[00:52:56] hit her, there was even such a case, but I personally didn't see it, but I heard
[00:52:59] conversations, he jumped on her head, then it was very,
[00:53:03] yes, there was such a situation. And why after you found
[00:53:07] out about it, did you not take her by the hand to the police so that she would not
[00:53:10] write a statement? No, she didn't, we even, I always told her, "Leave, I'm the
[00:53:14] same, everything you endure, what's good in these
[00:53:17] relationships?" How did she react? First, we talk
[00:53:20] to her, yes, she listens perfectly, yes, she agrees, that's it, yes,
[00:53:24] we break up, we won't live together anymore, that's it, I don't want him, he's
[00:53:28] a tyrant, he's a demon, then suddenly, I find out that they're living
[00:53:31] together again. And why, how did she explain this to you, why?
[00:54:17] We already know many cases when a woman is with a man who
[00:54:20] doesn't value her at all, treats her, well, worse than a dog, she
[00:54:24] doesn't leave him, but he evokes strong
[00:54:28] emotions in her, he evokes in her, it seems, some kind of, well, what she
[00:54:31] probably considers love, she didn't explain, I, I honestly...
[00:55:05] at the moment when she sees a man, she evaluates him, as they say, by parameters, I, for
[00:55:08] one, am deeply convinced that in the first 20 seconds
[00:55:12] of a woman seeing a man, she internally decides whether she will let him
[00:55:16] in or reject him, it's somewhere at a subconscious level, woven into some
[00:55:20] neural connections, you evaluate, is this your man,
[00:55:23] ding, or not your man, from the point
[00:55:26] of view, from the point of view of purely physiological
[00:55:29] perception, here, it seems to me, in these co-dependent, very
[00:55:33] difficult relationships,
[00:56:10] and you want a continuation, so the stakes are rising, when the victim will be able to stand on her feet again, as well as a DNA test for the daughter of the pioneer leader and the married
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[01:03:01] Beyond the limits, this is beyond the limits, he was jealous, he beat
[01:03:04] her, he chased her away, but the young woman returned to her tormentor
[01:03:08] again and again, until one day she almost burned
[01:03:11] the man set her on fire.
[01:03:14] Tatyana, if your daughter, when she recovers, wants to return to
[01:03:18] this man, will you stop her, if you do, how?
[01:03:22] Oh, first of all, he will return, I hope, I
[01:03:26] wish him health, God grant that he
[01:03:29] stays there longer. He served his time and lived with
[01:03:32] this, well, he will serve his time, get out, call,
[01:03:36] say hello, come visit, no,
[01:03:39] no,
[01:03:42] do you think, this is
[01:03:46] it,
[01:03:50] will it ever happen again, and if suddenly again she recovers and starts bringing him
[01:03:54] packages to prison, stop her, is that possible,
[01:03:57] first of all, packages...
[01:04:00] she won't carry them, she will, if anything, send them
[01:04:03] through someone, that is, through me, or
[01:04:07] how? Well, they have mutual acquaintances, she has friends.
[01:04:10] имеются.
[01:04:14] No one, his niece called me, his
[01:04:18] niece, she has three sons, she said: "I'm
[01:04:21] so ashamed, if they grow up to be like
[01:04:25] him, they won't even help
[01:04:29] him." In your circle, everyone understands that he committed something terrible
[01:04:32] and everyone, roughly speaking, is on your side, he said, he
[01:04:36] has two brothers, one is very, he
[01:04:40] has stores, that's it, he said, I won't
[01:04:44] even order, no lawyers, he didn't
[01:04:47] say, Eldar, Tatyana hopes that this
[01:04:50] person will not be released soon, will
[01:04:54] you help her achieve a fair and severe punishment?
[01:04:57] This is not a question, I have such a desire. From the very beginning of the broadcast,
[01:05:01] I want to help Tatyana and your daughter also with this
[01:05:04] criminal case as a representative of the victim to go all the way, this
[01:05:08] criminal case will go to court without us, but you have the right to file
[01:05:12] a lawsuit for moral damages from him, not you, your
[01:05:15] daughter, in this I can also help you, we will draw up everything, we will do everything,
[01:05:19] so yes, contact us, we will help you, I believe not only moral, but also
[01:05:22] compensation for treatment, there should be some, there are two components, Timur,
[01:05:26] you are right, there are moral components, this is moral damage,
[01:05:29] moral suffering, which she is currently experiencing, and material, which is related
[01:05:32] to her treatment, to the purchase of necessary
[01:05:36] medical drugs, and of course, to the plastic
[01:05:39] surgeries that she will undergo, both of these, we have the right
[01:05:42] to recover moral damages from him, if we are talking about moral damage, then it is at least 1
[01:05:46] million rubles, at least, and material based on how much she
[01:05:50] will spend, how much you will spend in total on treatment and...