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[00:00:29] Hello and welcome to Pakistan tv, my name is Nilo shoja. Let's take a look at the headlines
[00:00:33] of the
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[00:00:52] Prime Minister of Shahbaz Sharief departs for the kingdom of
[00:00:55] of Saudi Arabia a three-day visit from the
[00:00:57] of 6th to the 8th of August. The prima. minister is accompanied by a high-level
[00:01:01] delegation comprising of chief of defense forces, field marshall
[00:01:05] sayid muniir and other
[00:01:07] of ministers. during his visit, the prime minister will be holding a meeting with the saudi crown
[00:01:11] prince muhammad bin
[00:01:13] of Salman.
[00:01:18] Prime Minister Shahbas Sharif has highlighted the positive momentum in Pakistan,
[00:01:22] China relations and
[00:01:24] of reaffirmed Pakistan's commitment to further strengthening the two countries
[00:01:27] all-weather strategic cooperative
[00:01:29] of partnership.
[00:01:37] Pakistan army aviation has
[00:01:39] of successfully of carried out high altitude rescue operation, recovers the bodies of
[00:01:43] seven foreign mountaineers after deadly broad peak
[00:01:46] avalanche.
[00:01:52] US, China and Pakistan raise concerns at the UN security
[00:01:56] council over terrorist safe haveens in Afghanistan, the
[00:02:00] taliban to honor the counter terrorism
[00:02:06] of of commitments. eight Islamic countries, including
[00:02:10] Pakistan,
[00:02:11] of condemn Israeli violations in Gaza, call for civilian
[00:02:14] protection, humanitarian aid access, accountability and
[00:02:18] reaffirmed support for two-state
[00:02:23] of solution. A German court has
[00:02:27] sentenced an afghan man to life in prison. for deadly car ramming
[00:02:31] attack in Munich that killed a mother and her two-year-old daughter,
[00:02:35] ruling
[00:02:35] in that the gravity
[00:02:38] of of the crime makes his release highly
[00:02:39] unlikely.
[00:02:44] US president Donald Trump says that
[00:02:46] of he of prefers a deal with Iran over military action while warning that
[00:02:50] the use of force remains an option if diplomacy
[00:02:54] of fails.
[00:03:00] Pakistan categorically rejects as baseless and politically motivated the
[00:03:03] remarks by the Indian Ministry of External Affairs regarding the
[00:03:07] ongoing legislative assembly elections in Azad, Jammu and
[00:03:10] Kashmir.
[00:03:17] The fourth and the final match
[00:03:19] of the hockey series between Pakistan and South Korea will be played
[00:03:25] of tomorrow.
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[00:03:43] Now viewers, those were the headlines
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[00:07:11] From the heart of south. Asia to the cross of central Asia, from the turbulent middle east and north
[00:07:15] africa to the parb corridors the west where narratives collide, perspectives matter
[00:07:19] and stories connect. this is beyond borders and I am Umar Khalid part. during the
[00:07:23] course the show, as we always do, wel take you into a world that we consider without
[00:07:27] borders or boundaries and discuss stories that are extremely important,
[00:07:31] pertinent, essential in this changing 21st century scenario.
[00:07:35] wel begin with the top stories the day or as we call them, region
[00:07:38] lines.
[00:07:46] We start from the middle east where US President Donald Trump says that he prefers a deal with
[00:07:50] Iran over military action while warning that the use of force remains an option
[00:07:54] if diplomacy fails. Iranian deputy foreign minister for legal and
[00:07:58] international affairs khasim gharibibabadi says that Iran and
[00:08:02] Oman are close to finalizing an agreement on new arrangements for
[00:08:06] commercial shipping through the state of
[00:08:08] Hormus.
[00:08:13] Moving on, Israeli drones have carried out air strikes and artillery shelling targeting
[00:08:17] towns in the southern Lebanese district of Thair, despite an oranging cease
[00:08:21] fire in negotiations between Bayrut and Tel aviv. Human rights watch
[00:08:24] says that Israeli attacks in Lebanon have appeared to deliberately target civilians including
[00:08:28] journalists and civilian objects, potentially amounting to war crimes against
[00:08:32] international
[00:08:33] law.
[00:08:38] Finally, Bangladesh strongly condemns the Indian government's decision to allow former prime minister
[00:08:42] Sheikh. scena to participate a live media interaction in New Delhi
[00:08:45] describing the event as affront to Bangladesh sovereinity and
[00:08:49] insult to those killed during the July
[00:08:51] Revolution.
[00:09:02] Now day 160 the US Iran conflict brings a narrow opening for
[00:09:06] peace but also fresh threats. Iran and Omar are close to agreeing to new
[00:09:10] shipping route through hormos yet. any recent talks with
[00:09:13] Washington with shipping collapsing, economic pain spreading, can diplomacy
[00:09:17] prevent another major attack is what we will discuss along with other important
[00:09:21] aspects of this very conflict tonight. we've been joined by two guests, let me
[00:09:25] introduce them to you one by one. our first guest is Dr. Jason H
[00:09:29] Gamble, he is a senior fellow at the middle east institute and he joins us from
[00:09:33] Washington DC. Thank you very much Dr. Campel to have joined us. We've also been
[00:09:36] joined by Dr. Mustapha Kar, he is assistant professor at the Sarka University Middle East
[00:09:40] Institute, joins us from Sir kaya as well, thank you very much
[00:09:44] Mustafa to have joined us as well. We'll begin with you, Dr. Jason.
[00:09:48] President Trump says that negotiations are moving along very nicely,
[00:09:52] quote and court while Iran's deputy foreign minister says no talks with Washington have taken
[00:09:55] place. Who is telling the fuller story in your point of view and are
[00:09:59] indirect messaging still being presented as formal negotiations?
[00:10:03] Also, Trump has repeatedly threatened a massive attack
[00:10:07] only to step back and suggest that the deal is close. Is this
[00:10:10] deliberate pressure on Tehran or? does it show that Washington is
[00:10:14] uncertain about its next move, your
[00:10:16] take, yeah, I think right now,
[00:10:20] unfortunately
[00:10:20] for the United States, President Trump's
[00:10:22] credibility. is in decline um, he
[00:10:26] stated
[00:10:27] a number of occasions throughout this war that uh Iran is
[00:10:31] either you begging for negotiations
[00:10:35] or we're far down the line on on negotiations to a good deal
[00:10:39] uh you again whatever that means uh
[00:10:43] only to find very shortly afterwards that the Iranian
[00:10:46] side uh you know completely you downplays or
[00:10:50] even disavows the that the the talks are even
[00:10:53] happening so I i think right now it's difficult to say for
[00:10:57] sure obviously because we we don't have great visibility on
[00:11:01] what's going on behind the scenes, it wouldn't surprise me to learn
[00:11:04] that the exchange of messages through
[00:11:07] mediators is viewed by the white house
[00:11:10] as again a sign that that progress is being made on the
[00:11:14] diplomatic front, it seems right now that the talks between Iran
[00:11:18] and Oman uh which by all accounts seem to be excluding
[00:11:22] the United States seem to be making much more pr.
[00:11:26] uh there's been again talks that you even Iran is saying that
[00:11:30] some sort of deal there is imminent, I think for from the Iranian
[00:11:33] standpoint, it it again solidifies
[00:11:37] both their their influence in the region and ultimately their influence over the straight
[00:11:41] of hormos, if they're able to reach some accommodation with
[00:11:44] oman, which I can only assume is is
[00:11:47] also negotiating
[00:11:51] uh, if not explicitly then tacitly on behalf the...
[00:11:54] of other interested GCC states on some
[00:11:58] workable way forward, at least in the short term, while excluding
[00:12:02] Washington, and I think what Iran is trying to do is out maneuver Washington
[00:12:06] here and effectively, you demonstrate that they were
[00:12:09] able to reach an accommodation with the local stakeholders in the
[00:12:13] region, and that you provided the US remove
[00:12:17] its naval blockade um from from
[00:12:20] Iran, so I think they're they're increasingly confining
[00:12:24] some of Trump's diplomatic options here, and I think right now we've
[00:12:28] seen small signals that the Trump administration is
[00:12:31] even begrudgingly, I think willing to
[00:12:35] uh uh abide by these new terms. We saw yesterday that they
[00:12:38] quietly uh dropped a handful of Iranian interests
[00:12:42] off of of a sanctions list. My assumption there is that it's
[00:12:46] tied to the negotiations between Iran and Oman, so I I
[00:12:50] think right now President Trump would like to see
[00:12:53] the... the the war end and be
[00:12:57] able to pull back the US forces uh a way
[00:13:01] that uh will help reduce some the the very costly measures that have been
[00:13:05] taken thus far with little strategic benefit
[00:13:08] and uh we we're seeing now that youran is able to
[00:13:11] solidify some of its gains. all right let's
[00:13:15] see which side gains which side doesn't but hope both sides at the end
[00:13:19] the day are victors so that this deal could move forward and
[00:13:23] peace could prevail uh Iran and Oman have
[00:13:27] agreed on the coordinates of a possible middle corridor, but
[00:13:30] Tehran says this will not immediately reopen hormous unless and until the US
[00:13:34] changes its behavior. Is this genuine progress in your point of view or only the
[00:13:38] beginning of much harder negotiation? Also, I'd like to add that
[00:13:42] Iran says that the arrangement is strictly between Tehran and Muskot, while Trump,
[00:13:46] Marco Rubio, Scott Bessent
[00:13:48] all describe iminent broader deal. Can oman bridge these sharply
[00:13:52] different positions without appearing to serve either. side will
[00:13:55] Pakistan do the needful? Thank
[00:13:59] you Omar for this question. I think this is
[00:14:02] cautiously positive development. Of course it
[00:14:06] won't resolve the standoff its own, but it buys diplomacy
[00:14:09] some room, real breathing room.
[00:14:13] So, but crucially, Iran retains every option
[00:14:17] to close hormos again. It can invoke Israeli
[00:14:21] aggression in Lebanon or US strikes
[00:14:24] on its. allies as a pretext, so Tehran
[00:14:28] gained leverage here, it hasn't surrendered any,
[00:14:32] but now the harder task is translating this
[00:14:35] narrow deal with Moscot into a comprehensive one
[00:14:39] with Washington, and here Iran's posture is
[00:14:43] deliberate, it won't be seen sitting across from
[00:14:47] the power that killed its supreme leader, so using an
[00:14:51] intermediary lets Tehran negotiate.
[00:14:55] without appearing to negotiate, i think that's
[00:14:59] partly about managing internal balances
[00:15:03] and which is exactly why
[00:15:06] oman or intermediaries like oman
[00:15:10] is indispensable, uman's role isn't
[00:15:13] just exchanging messages between sides, it's
[00:15:17] facilitating the process, i think two things
[00:15:21] gives give oman this authority,
[00:15:25] one
[00:15:25] it controls one cost line
[00:15:29] the straight of hermus and the second it has the capacity
[00:15:33] to bring other regional intermediaries into
[00:15:37] calcul. so I would expect others to join
[00:15:40] Muscot to widen this narrow deal into
[00:15:44] a comprehensive one and also lay the ground for
[00:15:48] peace. All right, let's hope that the ground for
[00:15:51] peace becomes more solid this time in that we are able to move forward
[00:15:55] in a positive direction. Dr. Jason H
[00:15:59] Campel, Tehran wants greater control over ships entering the Gulf and
[00:16:03] may seek tools as this deal with Omaniers, while major
[00:16:07] shipping group. are saying 12 major groups are saying that compulsory charges
[00:16:10] would violate established practice, could Washington ever accept such
[00:16:14] arrangement in order to reopen
[00:16:16] Holmus? Well, I think it's becoming
[00:16:19] increasingly clear that Washington is going to have to agree to
[00:16:23] some arrangement whereby Iran is able
[00:16:26] economically benefit by or
[00:16:30] through its establish control over the straight of hormos. I
[00:16:34] think at the outset the war, that's certainly something that... Washington
[00:16:38] would not have abided by, we've seen
[00:16:40] a number of occasions President Trump and other senior officials talk about
[00:16:44] the importance the the free flow of shipping through the straight off moves,
[00:16:48] but the reality right now has changed drastically, and we've saw even in the
[00:16:52] mou that was signed back in June, we saw reference to
[00:16:56] the establishment of development fund for
[00:17:00] Iran that would help them rebuild their country, which is again trying to find a
[00:17:03] creative way to ensure that. is
[00:17:07] able to uh achieve that the economic benefits it's seeking
[00:17:11] without explicitly referring to it as toll, and we're even
[00:17:15] seeing that now here in terms the negotiations between Iran and
[00:17:19] Oman, whereby most accounts were hearing
[00:17:22] the the phrase service fee uh being used as again
[00:17:26] that uh uh additional charge made to goods that go
[00:17:29] through uh or to to promote the the free
[00:17:33] shipping uh through the straight uh the big question now will
[00:17:36] be ' what amount is that service fee and for how long
[00:17:40] will it endure? and it you the phrase service fee or service fees are
[00:17:44] charged in other instances around the world uh through straights
[00:17:48] and other narrow waterways, so it wouldn't be unprecedented, but we'll see what it
[00:17:52] amounts to. i think the other thing to keep in mind in in
[00:17:56] the longer term here is whether Iran will
[00:17:59] allow for uh the economic I
[00:18:03] guess free market to determine alternative routes through the straight of
[00:18:06] hormus. If you recall few weeks ago, Iran struck
[00:18:10] Shalala Port in Oman, largely as a signal to show
[00:18:14] that, you look, we're not going to abide by uh countries uh
[00:18:18] using other ports or alternatives outside the straight,
[00:18:22] so sort
[00:18:23] that there's the near term, what are the economic
[00:18:26] requirements needed to to open the straight, and number two, in the
[00:18:30] medium to longer term, will Iran abide by uh countries
[00:18:34] uh finding alternative routes to avoid the straight offhor moves?
[00:18:38] Many questions and we all need answers and quicker, sooner than later,
[00:18:42] rather. Mustapha, coming to you, only two vessels have cross the straight of
[00:18:46] horm on Wednesday, compared with around 130
[00:18:49] to 140 a day before the war. Explosions are reported near an old tanker, what
[00:18:53] guarantees would shipping companies need before they trust any new
[00:18:56] corridor, also the hoothies have claimed that they have attacked more saudi
[00:19:00] tankers while traffic through the Babel Mandab has also collapsed.
[00:19:04] Does the pressure on both the waterways suggest a coordinated
[00:19:08] regional strategy or are the hoothies pursuing their own dispute with
[00:19:11] Saudi Arabia? thank you for this
[00:19:15] question, omar. i think there are two separate questions
[00:19:19] here and both important. on the first,
[00:19:23] if i were insurance company, i would wait for a
[00:19:27] comprehensive deal before trusting any corridor, and
[00:19:31] here's why, because this is an interm arrangement,
[00:19:34] 60 days, so it could easily collapse. for then and
[00:19:38] regional dynamics are really moving fast,
[00:19:42] Israel has signaled that it doesn't care about any deal
[00:19:45] whether be between Oman and Iran or between
[00:19:49] Washington and Tehran, so it will strike
[00:19:53] regardless, I think the threat coming from Tel Aviv
[00:19:57] is real, and it's why this deal
[00:20:00] remains far from resolving the whole
[00:20:04] crisis and on the hoothies, "I think they do
[00:20:08] have their own agency, but their latest
[00:20:11] actions, I think, they are coordinated with
[00:20:15] Tehran, and Iran's stand for Hezbullah in
[00:20:19] Lebanon didn't only inject
[00:20:21] confidence or, restore confidence in
[00:20:25] Hisbullah, but also it restored confidence
[00:20:29] across Iran's whole regional
[00:20:32] network, so I think that's why we are seeing
[00:20:36] deliberate. double pressure strategy right now, one
[00:20:40] squeeze through the straight of hermus and another
[00:20:43] through
[00:20:45] uh barbel mandap and both aimed at disrupting the global
[00:20:49] energy market. markets and global maritime
[00:20:51] trade. All right, so of course pressure tactic
[00:20:55] nevertheless. Dr. Jason, Iran may believe that it can outlast Washington
[00:20:59] by keeping oil prices high, disrupting trade, increasing pressure on
[00:21:03] American allies. Is economic pain now the Iran's strongest
[00:21:06] weapon, particularly as Trump faces growing frustration as
[00:21:10] home. Also, Iran has reportedly won the gulf states that their
[00:21:14] oil fields, power plants and water systems could be targeted if the US attacks
[00:21:18] Iranian infrastructure. could this pressure force Washington's
[00:21:22] gulf partners to push Trump more firmly towards a diplomatic
[00:21:25] solution? yeah, I think collectively you
[00:21:29] touched on the main components of Iran's uh leverage
[00:21:33] right now, um, one is that yes, it does feel
[00:21:37] that it can outlast the United States in in terms
[00:21:41] the economic pain levied, not just on the
[00:21:44] United States and potentially at stock market, but also the international price of
[00:21:48] oil and and other... goods like uh uh fertilizer
[00:21:52] and other key things that that tend to come from from that part and and
[00:21:56] require travel to the straight of hormos um
[00:22:00] and the other part of that is you both their capability and
[00:22:04] demonstrated willingness to strike out at key
[00:22:07] infrastructure uh and interests not just for the US
[00:22:11] and Israel but but its partners throughout the region which has already
[00:22:14] taken a significant toll so I i think when you you look at that
[00:22:18] collectively Tehran thinks with some high degree of
[00:22:22] validation that
[00:22:23] it it can outlast the United States, particularly given some the political
[00:22:27] sensitivities involved, not least of which are upcoming
[00:22:31] elections uh here in the United States and also in Israel,
[00:22:35] so I i think right now they are trying to use that
[00:22:38] leverage and the fact that uh they are less time constrained
[00:22:42] to uh I think come to some uh
[00:22:45] advantageous terms on at least near-term agreement. I'm not convinced
[00:22:49] yet that the... "the powers that be in Tehran are are
[00:22:53] necessarily um thinking in the long-term interests
[00:22:56] the country and and could very well uh uh come to
[00:23:00] to uh regret missing an opportunity there, but I think for the short
[00:23:04] term they remain very much uh
[00:23:08] you influential and and and have things in their favor and as time goes
[00:23:11] on I think that only increases for the United States of
[00:23:15] course we we've seen that yes
[00:23:17] the the US has expended. a substantial amount of both
[00:23:21] offensive and defensive resources in this war,
[00:23:25] it's uh key partners and allies throughout the region have done so as well,
[00:23:29] so that is already uh limited their military options, and I
[00:23:33] think their military options have further been uh limited by the
[00:23:37] fact that Iran has demonstrated that it can uh with
[00:23:40] increasingly uh good precision uh hit US
[00:23:44] bases and interests throughout the region, which makes the you
[00:23:48] know options such as st
[00:24:07] Iran will defend itself but does not want to expand the war. other Iranian
[00:24:11] officials threaten ships using unauthorized routes and one
[00:24:14] gulf infrastructure could be struck as i have asked Dr. Jason
[00:24:18] is Iran's leadership. divided over diplomacy and escalation? what's your
[00:24:22] take? i think it appears to be
[00:24:26] true. Iran's political structure is really unique. there are
[00:24:30] many competing power centers and while the supreme leader is the
[00:24:34] strongest actor, it oftentimes, he
[00:24:37] oftentimes acts as the balancer between
[00:24:41] those power power centers. so one faction genuinely
[00:24:44] presses to extend the war both in duration and
[00:24:48] scope, but the pr negotiation figures like
[00:24:52] president or Galibav
[00:24:55] muhammed, they want deal with Washington without
[00:24:59] prolonging the war, because they see the real risk here,
[00:25:03] and I i agree with Dr. Jason here, there
[00:25:07] is a real risk for Iran to miss an
[00:25:09] opportunity, and this risk
[00:25:13] is, Iran may look like it holds the straight of
[00:25:17] firmus leverage right now, but it's... only for right
[00:25:20] now, in the medium to longer term, american
[00:25:24] military capacity can outlast Iran's if this war
[00:25:28] turns into a war of attrition, so Iran, yes, Iran has
[00:25:32] the demographic advantage, Iran has the geographic advantage,
[00:25:36] but the United States has the strongest military in the world,
[00:25:39] so yes, there are real divisions and
[00:25:43] that's precisely why the uman deal took
[00:25:47] so long, and that's why we are still waiting. for the final
[00:25:50] approval by the supreme leader and which tells us something time
[00:25:54] the show starts, we might
[00:25:56] have final deal and we could talk about that deal, but it hasn't happened as of yet,
[00:25:59] might happen within a couple
[00:26:01] of minutes or a couple
[00:26:02] of hours, but Let's see, Dr. Jason, this is my last
[00:26:05] question to you, I'd like a short answer, reports claim the US has used nearly 80% of
[00:26:09] its third interceptors and around half of its patriot mesas, this was CNN
[00:26:13] that reported, Trump, Trump strongly denies any
[00:26:16] shortage, is I mean who is on
[00:26:20] the right side, is it the press that has been reporting it, is it Trump that is
[00:26:24] denying all of it, what's your take, short answer please, well I think the
[00:26:28] shortages are absolutely real, we're seeing uniform
[00:26:31] senior military. officials here in the United States
[00:26:35] increasingly either
[00:26:38] through leaks or other reports
[00:26:41] demonstrate their concern about not just the region but
[00:26:45] overall readiness the US defense
[00:26:48] apparatus a more global sense because
[00:26:51] of this and I would point out though to to build off what what
[00:26:55] professor was referring
[00:26:57] to in terms the long-term what we're seeing now throughout the Gulf and
[00:27:01] elsewhere in the region are these. countries that are quickly
[00:27:04] engaging other countries, the United States, Ukrainian
[00:27:08] countries, in bolstering their
[00:27:11] ability to deter and
[00:27:13] confront some the Iranian
[00:27:17] asymmetric
[00:27:20] opportunities that they they've demonstrated here, so I think in this short to
[00:27:24] medium term we're going to see some these countries start to rebuild in a
[00:27:28] way that I think Iran's long-term leverage is going to...
[00:27:32] at least from a military threat perspective, so that's something to watch very
[00:27:36] closely going forward, is that it's less about replenishing
[00:27:40] high-end interceptors, which are important, but it's also
[00:27:44] building out a more comprehensive air defense that will, I think
[00:27:47] in time limit Iran's ability to threaten the
[00:27:50] region. Let's see what happens in the coming days and weeks. Dr.
[00:27:54] Jason, thank you very much to have joined us and as we always tell to our first
[00:27:58] time guest till next time. Pakistan is
[00:28:01] continuing. contact in prime minister is visiting the
[00:28:05] kingdom of Saudi Arabia as Riyad builds a maritime coalition supported by Pakistan
[00:28:09] in Turkey, could regional countries produce a workable settlement
[00:28:13] where in direct US Iran diplomacy has
[00:28:15] failed? yes, I believe
[00:28:19] so, at the very least, they can restrain the
[00:28:22] existing tensions and prevent further escalation, and that
[00:28:26] is far better than nothing, regional mediators,
[00:28:30] oman, pakistan, genuinely have the capacity
[00:28:34] to lay the ground for negotiations and they're facilitating talks
[00:28:37] between Iran and the United States and whether those talks are
[00:28:41] direct or indirect doesn't matter, what matters is this
[00:28:45] diplomatic channels stay active and that's thanks to
[00:28:49] these regional actors and there is also second
[00:28:53] benefit which I'd like to mention here, they help contain
[00:28:57] the conflict, keeping it from drawing in outside
[00:29:00] powers like Russia, or european powers, because
[00:29:04] every additional actor would only complicate the picture and narrow
[00:29:08] the mediators room to manure, so I think these regionals
[00:29:12] actors are performing genuinely valuable role and I
[00:29:16] would argue an indispensable one. All right, of course
[00:29:20] and indispensable one. Pakistan has shown its importance as well,
[00:29:24] we've seen how these whole efforts bore fruit in the form
[00:29:28] the first round of talks and continue to bear fruit. Let's hope that we
[00:29:32] get to. she talks in the very very near future as well. thank you very much
[00:29:35] Mustafa to have joined us as well, pleasure to have talked to you. now the
[00:29:39] middle east ladies and gentlemen, it's not just the conflict between Iran
[00:29:43] and the US, an older conflict, in fact older conflicts are also present,
[00:29:47] whether it be what is happening in Palestine or Lebanon. speaking of Lebanon, peace talks
[00:29:51] continue in Rome, but Lebanon is still being bombed. Israely
[00:29:55] strikes have killed and wounded civilians forced families to flee again and made muckery
[00:29:59] the seasfire. with Israeli forces still occupying lebanese territory Beirot
[00:30:03] is being asked to negotiate while it sovereignty remains under
[00:30:06] attack, to discuss that in more detail, we've been joined by Balya
[00:30:10] Ahmad, she is a leading journalist and join is from Lebanon, Baria, thank you very
[00:30:13] much to have journalist, two Israeli soldiers Baria were killed by an
[00:30:17] explosive device while operating inside of Lebanon, but even Israel has not
[00:30:21] established who planted it, how can Israel use an
[00:30:24] unclear incident to justify another wave of deadly attacks on
[00:30:28] Lebanese towns, Israel has bombed, mansouri,
[00:30:32] shamali, other areas, killing and wounding civilians and forcing families to
[00:30:36] flee. does this show that Israel is treating collective punishment as
[00:30:40] legitimate response?
[00:30:43] well, thank you for having me, responsibility
[00:30:47] must be established before any military response is
[00:30:50] justified. this is basic rule, if no one knows yet
[00:30:54] who planted those explosive device, using that incident
[00:30:58] to justify l