PAKISTANTV — broadcast 20260806 153000 UTC 464 transcript segments Google Speech-to-Text API Automatic Transcription (Chirp) Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:00:01] still occupying lebanese territory, Beirot is being asked to negotiate [00:00:04] while it sovereignty remains under attack. to discuss that in more [00:00:08] detail, we've been joined by Barya Ahmar, she is a leading journalist and journalist from [00:00:12] Lebanon. Baria, thank you very much to have journalists. Two Israel [00:00:16] of soldiers Baria were killed by an explosive device while operating inside of Lebanon, but even [00:00:20] Israel has not established who planted it. How can Israel [00:00:24] use an unclear incident to justify another wave of deadly [00:00:28] attacks on Lebanese towns? Is... has bombed, mansouri, [00:00:32] bojal shamali, other areas, killing and wounding civilians and forcing [00:00:36] families to flee. does this show that israel is treating collective [00:00:39] punishment as legitimate response? [00:00:43] well, thank you for having me, responsibility [00:00:47] of must be established before any military response is justified. [00:00:51] this is basic rule, if no one knows, yet planted [00:00:55] those explosive device, using that [00:00:58] a incident to justify l scale strikes on [00:01:01] of lebanese towns raises serial legal and moral [00:01:04] questions, the bombing resulting in civilian casualties and [00:01:08] renewed displacement, as you said, creates the perception [00:01:12] that entire communities are paying the price for acts whose [00:01:15] perpetrators have not been yet identified, [00:01:19] international humanitarian law requires [00:01:22] of distinction, proportionality and military necessity, any [00:01:26] response that harms civilians, instead of [00:01:29] of targeting a specific military objective is viewed as collective [00:01:33] punishment, [00:01:34] absolutely also like to add [00:01:38] to that, human rights watch says that Israel deliberately [00:01:42] attacked journalist Amal Khalil as well as other journalists such as Zenab [00:01:45] Faraj despite knowing that they were civilians and then blocked [00:01:49] rescuers from reaching them. now as a Lebanese [00:01:52] journalist, do you believe that Israel is trying to silence those [00:01:56] who are documenting its actions just like these journalists and so many [00:02:00] others that that have also been killed in Palestine to say the [00:02:03] least. Let's be clear about this: journalists are [00:02:07] civilians protected under international humanitarian [00:02:11] law. Whenever credible organizations [00:02:14] document attacks against clearly identifiable [00:02:18] journalists, those allegations require independent, [00:02:22] transparent investigations and accountability. From lebanese [00:02:26] perspective, attacks on journalists have. [00:02:30] a broader impact because they reduce the words [00:02:33] ability to witness events on the ground, whether [00:02:37] international or not, the effect is to weaken [00:02:40] independent reporting a time when facts matter [00:02:44] most, right, the international community must move [00:02:48] beyond expressions of concern, it's it should [00:02:51] insist on full compliance with international, [00:02:55] international humanitarian law, support independent [00:02:58] investigations into alleged violations and press for the [00:03:02] implementation of existing agreements and also work [00:03:06] to ensure the protection of [00:03:08] of civilians while secur securing a complete and to [00:03:12] hostilities and the Israeli withdrawal from lebanese [00:03:16] territory. this is what the international community needs to be [00:03:20] doing. barya, more than [00:03:23] 4,300 people have been killed in Lebanon as we speak, hundreds of thousands have [00:03:27] been displaced and those who return also [00:03:30] of you of [00:03:31] know a are of not being given [00:03:32] their due places or the places [00:03:34] that they had left when they were when they got displaced anyways peace talks [00:03:38] by are continuing in Rome yet Israel still occupies lebanese [00:03:42] territory and says it will not withdraw draw further until Hisbollah [00:03:45] disarms is Lebanon effectively being asked to surrender its [00:03:49] main bargaining position before Israels its own [00:03:53] commitments. Let's be clear about this first things [00:03:57] first. Hallah is not lebon's main [00:04:00] bargaining position, but international law [00:04:04] instead, why? because since Israel is withdrawal [00:04:07] from most of southern Lebanon in the year 2000, hazballah has [00:04:11] evolved from resistance movement against [00:04:15] occupation into [00:04:16] a regional armed actor closely aligned with [00:04:20] Iran and for many years with the Assad regime. [00:04:24] As [00:04:24] a result, [00:04:25] of many Lebineses no longer see it as see its weapons as [00:04:30] serving a [00:04:31] of purely national objective, [00:04:34] the this is Lebanon's central [00:04:36] of dilemma today, the Lebanese government is leading the [00:04:39] negotiations, while Tehran through [00:04:42] Hisballah, determines the military confrontation, this [00:04:46] is [00:04:46] a dilemma, but Lebanon's official [00:04:49] position is that sovereignty [00:04:52] in cannot be conditional and that international [00:04:55] agreements impose obligations on both [00:04:58] sides, the only sustainable path is [00:05:01] simultaneous implementation, Israel must withdraw from [00:05:05] lebanese territory, while the Lebanese State extends [00:05:09] its exclusive authority over all its [00:05:13] territory in in line with the constitution, labanese [00:05:16] constitution and with the international [00:05:19] commitments. peace cannot be achieved through [00:05:23] unilateral conditions, it requires [00:05:27] reciprocal implementations and mutual [00:05:30] compliance, and that is not happening until [00:05:33] today. you talk of international commitments, it's interesting [00:05:37] that you talk about that, because we've seen what is happening in Palestine, [00:05:41] we've seen what is happening in Lebanon, we've seen a sease fire happen in [00:05:45] both the areas and yet Israel flants that cease fire [00:05:49] and does whatever it wants to, where are the international [00:05:51] commitments? Yes, yes, [00:05:55] well, from lebanese perspective, this is [00:05:58] fundamentally a sovereignty [00:06:01] issue, no state has the right, the legal [00:06:04] right to unilaterally define [00:06:08] borders, this is sovereign issue, it's a real [00:06:11] problem. All right, I [00:06:15] lost you, I couldn't the question, I couldn't hear the question, I'm sorry, I'll [00:06:19] repeat the question bar was saying you were talking of international [00:06:22] commitments, there have been international commitments, there [00:06:26] have been seizfires in both Lebanon and Palestine, yet [00:06:29] Israel has flouted those very cease fires and continues to [00:06:33] kill, name, displaced people, both in Palestine and in [00:06:37] Lebanon, but from a Lebanese perspective, how important is the [00:06:40] implementation these. international [00:06:43] commitments, very very important from lebanese [00:06:46] perspective, it's fundamentally sovereignty [00:06:49] issue, [00:06:51] so issue of commitment, mostly because Israel is [00:06:54] keeping the the red, the yellow area [00:06:57] there, because no state has the legal right to to [00:07:01] redefine another state's border or impos security arrangements. the [00:07:05] lebanese army is the legitimate national institution [00:07:09] responsible for exercising state authority. throughout [00:07:13] Lebanon if if this really says that the [00:07:16] objective is lasting stability to keep [00:07:19] the to keep that buffer zone then strengthening [00:07:23] the lebanese and strengthening lebanese [00:07:27] state authority not weakening or bypassing the only [00:07:31] sustainable solution is durable [00:07:33] security. durable security will come through [00:07:37] respect for international law for implementation of agreed [00:07:41] commitments and recognitions of Lebanon sovereignty, not [00:07:45] through the indefinite expansion of military realities [00:07:49] on the ground, and this is what Israel has been doing, [00:07:52] exactly, and that is why I'm saying global security, [00:07:55] implementation of international norms, I mean I don't see that [00:07:59] happening in Palestine, I don't see, I see that to some extent [00:08:03] happening in Lebanon, but let's hope for the best. Last question Barya, [00:08:07] Israel claims a 10 kilometer security zone inside of Lebanon, as you [00:08:10] have also talked about [00:08:12] and even called a lebanese army checkpoint of [00:08:14] violation. what does this tell us about Israel's respect [00:08:18] for lebanese sovereignty and the authority the lebanese state? [00:08:22] doesn't the lebanese state have an authority whatsoever? why is israel flouting [00:08:26] it? it is, it [00:08:29] is affecting, it's against lebanese [00:08:32] sovereignty. they don't have the right, israelis do not have [00:08:36] the right to redefine lebanon's borders, they [00:08:40] don't have the legal light right and "and they [00:08:43] claim that this is for sustainable peace [00:08:47] and and stability, but this is not, this is sovereign [00:08:50] sovereinity issue and Israelis have no right to [00:08:54] redefine and decide that this is yellow zone and [00:08:58] Israel, the Lebanese army has have no rights, doesn't have the [00:09:02] right to implement to be there in that in [00:09:06] that yellow zone, so it is [00:09:09] sovereinity issue and it's it" does not [00:09:13] working for strengthening the state of Lebanon, this [00:09:17] is what they say, they want the state to be stronger to [00:09:21] to disarm hizballah, this the international community is [00:09:25] not giving the Lebanese army the [00:09:28] opportunity to to to rule on on the [00:09:31] ground and to disarm hizballah as they [00:09:34] use the words, so it's a very [00:09:38] dilemmation, so that's what I was saying that was needs. [00:09:42] "that is what needs to be implemented, that is what needs to be pushed [00:09:46] into Israel's [00:09:48] you know kitty that this is what you need to do and this is how you need to you [00:09:51] know adhere to all the laws that have [00:09:55] been mean put forward as far as the situation in 11 is [00:09:59] concern. thank you very much barri ahmed to have journalist and to have given us the opportunity [00:10:03] to discuss this issue a bit more detail in the current context. [00:10:07] thank you, let's now take you to South [00:10:10] Asia. [00:10:15] Bangladesh India relations have been strained since Sheikh Hasina fled to New Delhi [00:10:19] in 2024. Disputes over her extradition, border incidents, trade [00:10:23] restrictions and India's tires. with the awami league continued throughout the pre-election [00:10:27] period, now Hasina's Delhi address has reopened old wounds [00:10:31] and threatens the fragile attempt to recess relations. To discuss [00:10:35] that in more detail, we have been joined all the way from Dhaka by [00:10:39] Mr. Alauddin Mohammed, he is a joint member secretary the [00:10:42] NCP. Alauddin Mohammad, thank you very much to have joined us. [00:10:45] Relations with India had been deteriorating since Hasena fled there in [00:10:49] August of 2024, almost two years, two years now, I think more or [00:10:53] less, long before Bangladesh. election happened, has her latest [00:10:57] address destroyed the limited progress that was made since the new government took [00:11:01] office? thank you [00:11:05] very much, yesterday was the [00:11:08] day we celebrated the victory of its [00:11:12] people and the outside former [00:11:16] prime minister shekhasina on the same day held [00:11:20] a conf press conference in New [00:11:23] Delhi Bangladesh [00:11:26] previously talk to the high commissioner in Dhaka [00:11:30] to stop that and we did not see [00:11:33] any initiative from [00:11:36] India's government side to stop that press [00:11:40] conference which means that India is [00:11:43] not correcting its measure [00:11:47] or you [00:11:47] know that its diplomacy towards Bangladesh and it wants the [00:11:51] old hegemonic relationship through. its [00:11:55] own loyal awami league in Bangladesh [00:11:59] and in that context we can say that the [00:12:02] relationship between Bangladesh and India from [00:12:06] Bangladesh side though there are good gesture and [00:12:10] we are repeatedly appealing them or [00:12:13] requesting them to extradit the the criminal [00:12:17] now flat in India to [00:12:20] you know that according to [00:12:22] the bilateral. [00:12:25] act, but India seems that not that interested to [00:12:29] rebuild the relation with the people of Bangladesh and the state of [00:12:33] Bangladesh, instead it has chosen to keep [00:12:36] the same hegemonic relationship with awami [00:12:40] league. now Alauddin, I'd like to also understand Sheikh [00:12:44] Hasina in his address says that she is going to return in December to [00:12:47] Dhaka, at the same time she has also asked that the ban on [00:12:51] the awami league be lifted. We've also seen the r happened [00:12:55] at Shakib Al Hassan's home where protesters came and of [00:12:59] course what happened because of course of his association [00:13:03] with the awami league as well. In your point of view, I'd like to understand [00:13:07] Alauddin, how can Bangladesh protect its sovereinity and [00:13:11] political stability without allowing anger to [00:13:15] turn into violence? I'm just referring to the incident that happened at Shakibal [00:13:18] Hassan's residence. [00:13:21] Well, Mr. Sakibal. is a [00:13:25] well known cricketer to the outer world, but [00:13:29] inside Bangladesh, he is an awy league [00:13:32] leader and he was an MP in the [00:13:36] last houseted parliament where the election was [00:13:40] highly rigged and election took place without the major [00:13:43] oppositions and Sakib al Hassan and [00:13:47] his family members including his father is [00:13:50] convicted criminal in their constituency [00:13:54] and are accused of being murdered [00:13:57] several activist in the home city of Sakib Al [00:14:01] Hassan when he appeared in New [00:14:05] Delhi's press conference along with Shekhasena and her [00:14:09] family members i mean from [00:14:12] Bangladeshi activist side so the [00:14:15] anger to again increased against [00:14:19] Sakib al Hassan and at night we saw that they [00:14:23] burn their home and then that people rus [00:14:27] to his properties and others to try to look that and and so [00:14:31] on, so if when we are talking [00:14:34] about the reconciliation and lifting the [00:14:37] ban of awami league and bring Hasina back to [00:14:41] Bangladesh, we must remember that after the [00:14:45] pricing immediately we asked for reconciliation, [00:14:49] but before reconciliation one must [00:14:52] acknowledge the missed. done by [00:14:55] them towards their own people, but unfortunately awami [00:14:59] league still thinks that there is no apprising [00:15:03] in, there was no apprising in Bangladesh, it was just [00:15:07] foreign planned regime change [00:15:10] operation, which is actually not, and by [00:15:14] the United Nations Office for Human Rights [00:15:17] Report, they mentioned that more than 1400 [00:15:21] activists were killed during this price. [00:15:25] by the government forces and the awami league and its [00:15:29] associated forces, but and this is [00:15:33] well established towards our foreign stakeholders, but [00:15:37] only for India and I leak people seems [00:15:40] it is still a conspiracy against them, so [00:15:44] before reconciliation they must understand that [00:15:48] what they did and such types of hanious crime [00:15:52] inside any democratic country must not be tolerated [00:15:56] tolerated and unless corrected the must not be [00:15:59] allowed to do the same politics again, it's their own people, [00:16:03] same aggression against it their own people, so regarding the... [00:16:07] sovereinity of Bangladesh, as we all saw [00:16:11] that after all those bloodshed [00:16:14] when the former prime minister decided to leave the [00:16:18] country, flee the country, then her [00:16:22] own loyal own, you can [00:16:26] say master India gave her shelter in their [00:16:29] own state, they did not [00:16:33] consider that they are blatantly interfering [00:16:36] the... internal affairs the neighboring country and [00:16:40] right now also that we feel that it's not only India, [00:16:44] awami league as a party and league leaders is [00:16:48] though they are citizen of Bangladesh, they are now serving the purpose [00:16:52] of India and India is also [00:16:55] like backing them, now we are [00:16:59] really concerned that if awami league ever can be [00:17:03] able to do politics in Bangladesh, how they will pay back? [00:17:07] to their Indian, I mean that gave them [00:17:11] shelter to their master, so that's the sovereignty [00:17:15] issue for now in Bangladesh, and we feel that Bangladeshi people's [00:17:19] resistance and Bangladeshi people are [00:17:22] together to again resist, again [00:17:26] fight the same fascism imposed by Hasida and her [00:17:29] people in near future. All right, all alauddin, I'd like [00:17:33] to understand Dhaka war India beforehand that allowing. [00:17:37] to conduct political activity from New Delhi is going to damage bilateral ties, [00:17:41] is India's claim that this was merely a private media event, a [00:17:45] convincing explanation or is this attempt to avoid [00:17:48] responsibility? many Bangladeshies believe that India supported [00:17:52] Hasina for too long and tired its relationship with Bangladesh to the awami [00:17:56] league. Does New Delhi still struggle to accept that Bangladesh [00:17:59] politics have now fundamentally [00:18:01] changed? I [00:18:04] think they are not able to... [00:18:07] understand the psychology of Bangladeshi people and [00:18:11] the pricing by the middle class [00:18:14] and the young population of Bangladesh, [00:18:18] it not necessarily against India, but when [00:18:22] they fought Haseina in the street, they also [00:18:25] felt that behind Hasina Indian hegemonic and [00:18:29] imperialistic vision was there behind Hasina, so [00:18:33] they necessarily fought Indian Hagimony in the same [00:18:37] struggle. so India must realize those [00:18:40] seems they have not realized, but I believe that [00:18:44] Indian civil society, Indian academics and [00:18:48] scholars who visited Bangladesh after the uprising [00:18:52] several times and now opened their [00:18:55] opinion in Indian different outlets, they [00:18:59] feel that the the politics in Bangladesh has been [00:19:03] changed and India's policy in Bangladesh [00:19:07] failed. and India must correct its policy, so [00:19:10] yesterday's event was an order city [00:19:14] from the Indian administration, they could stop that, [00:19:18] even if it's a private meeting or if it's a public [00:19:21] meeting, they know the consequence of that, and they must [00:19:25] stop such types of activities in their own land which [00:19:28] can somehow not give them the fruits, [00:19:32] because Bangladeshi people are not now with the Shekhacina [00:19:36] anymore. people had new election, [00:19:40] they voted more than 70% people voted and [00:19:43] 70% people voted [00:19:45] for credible reform process in [00:19:49] Bangladesh which will promote the democracy also, [00:19:53] so all together India should understand that now this [00:19:56] government in Bangladesh is elected and Bangladeshi people [00:20:00] elected, they are happy, though there are problems, [00:20:04] there are no what is called uh satisfaction [00:20:08] over the performance the government, but people understand this government is [00:20:12] voted by the own own people which they [00:20:16] they could not exercise in the last 15 years. three elections [00:20:20] were somehow snatched from the Bangladeshi people and [00:20:23] democracy shattered, democracy, democratic institutions also [00:20:27] shattered by the same shekhasina and her people, so [00:20:30] India must feel and establish [00:20:33] relationship, we a bit short of time, I'd like one last question, [00:20:37] but what answer if that's possible. Bangladesh has repeatedly sort [00:20:40] Hasina's extradition under the bilateral treaty, yet India continues [00:20:44] to say that the request is under legal review quote and court. Does this [00:20:48] long delay suggests that? delhi is protecting a former li rather [00:20:52] than respecting bangladesh's judicial process. i'd like a short [00:20:56] answer if that's possible. i think it it doesn't need [00:21:00] any explanation. since they are allowing her [00:21:03] to interven in Bangladeshi politics by [00:21:07] audio call and now audio conference, press [00:21:10] conference. so the rev review review [00:21:14] process or legal review process just first and [00:21:18] just eye wash to the... international community and India [00:21:22] must stop such double standard in in [00:21:26] the name of diplomacy to its neighbor where they have to [00:21:30] coexist all right alauddin mohammad thank you very [00:21:34] much to have joined us ladies and gentlemen that was alauddin mohammad joint member secretary the [00:21:37] NCP joining us from Dhaka of course giving the [00:21:41] perspective from Dhaka as to where things might be moving and [00:21:45] what the Bangladeshies think as far as Sheikh Hasina and recent address is [00:21:49] concerned and [00:21:50] of course India giving asylum to Sheikh Hasina and all that has [00:21:54] ensuwed as as far as the relations between Dhaka and New [00:21:57] Delhi are concerned this brings us [00:21:59] to the end of today's beyond borders, it [00:22:00] was an exciting show today and an interesting [00:22:04] show lineup of shows this week as well and we promise you next week is [00:22:08] going to be at the same part if not better. This is the last show the [00:22:12] week so we'll see you inshallah on Monday with more stories, more perspectives [00:22:16] and of course more important points for you to... [00:22:20] understand and decipher, till then, allah hafis and have a great [00:22:23] weekend. [00:22:44] Hindutva forces have launched a state sponsored hate [00:22:47] campaign against Muslims in India. [00:22:51] Muslims are being attacked, humiliated and murdered under [00:22:55] patternage of Modi regime. Indian authorities [00:22:59] are demolishing Muslims houses, shops and [00:23:01] mosks. Indiscriminate violence against Muslims [00:23:05] has unmasked the so-called secular phase of [00:23:08] India. World community must come forward [00:23:12] to rescue Indian Muslims from the clutches of Hindutva [00:23:15] terrorism. [00:23:25] "Pakistan has done human work, it's been [00:23:28] absolutely remarkable what Pakistan, what [00:23:32] Islamabad has been able to bring about. Well, I think the [00:23:36] countries that are mediating have to keep plugging away and trying to find a [00:23:40] modus, solution. I think the first thing that has to [00:23:43] happen is there has to be agreement on the straight of hormos, [00:23:47] because that was the cause of this. war most [00:23:51] important part is going to be dialogue and I think the Pakistan [00:23:55] back door diplomacy uh Qatar also is [00:23:59] essential India is not only destabilizing the region India [00:24:02] has I think it's look at this ambition it was involved in [00:24:06] terrorist acts in Canada the persecution of minorities in India has [00:24:10] been very very long problem [00:24:14] very systemic problem systematic persecution [00:24:17] the Muslims there not only the Muslims but also the [00:24:21] Christians on forces are police and devies and [00:24:25] scouts rangers, they are doing the [00:24:27] very [00:24:43] best, hello and welcome to unfold, I am aggressor [00:24:47] is on the Israel that is violating. the international rules [00:24:51] and law, actually the crisis had started [00:24:55] about two to three decades before the united states under [00:24:58] the pressure of Israel wants to degrade the [00:25:02] military capacity of Iran to control the [00:25:05] straight of homo has to decide especially [00:25:09] now that you don't have unified leadership what you [00:25:13] have on the ground is a tripatriot [00:25:16] coalition for Iran this [00:25:19] is exactly. points uh, not to make things hard for the average person, [00:25:23] but to retain some leverage in these negotiations on the parts the [00:25:26] Iranians, the Iranian supreme leaderal khameini [00:25:30] now finds himself pressured by both pro-government uh [00:25:34] public clamoring for retribution, mrs witkof and [00:25:38] kushner and others uh went with the [00:25:40] template that they designed for [00:25:44] gaza. [00:26:52] proud moment for entire nation and especially for the [00:26:55] Pakistan shooting community as an England fan i enjoy [00:26:59] the PSL I enjoy the hundred and obviously the we have here in [00:27:03] England, when Bangladesh declared the innings, declared their second [00:27:06] innings, that the moment when whole Bangladesh celebrated [00:27:10] it, from places like Jordan, [00:27:12] Uzbekistan, from Iraq, Haiti, these [00:27:16] countries who have made it for a long time was Pakistan and Jordan Debutts, like [00:27:20] that's massive for for people from those countries, so [00:27:24] when I came here first, there were there were talks about major [00:27:28] league tournament like PSL starting in the United States and it took [00:27:32] a year. and our junior players uh winning back to back three ITf junior [00:27:36] titles and the doubles [00:27:40] titles as well. plan was just to go for the Canadian Masters, it was my first [00:27:43] tournament, masters tournament ever. i've been competing in the international [00:27:47] circle for a long time and alhamdulillah by the grace of almighty have [00:27:51] won many lores for Pakistan, pakistan international series, i've been [00:27:55] double crowned, i've been winning UAE opens, south Asian games as [00:27:59] well, i'm the only female athlete to get a bronze medal in women singles. [00:28:12] No, we were not happy with him buying oil from [00:28:15] Russia. If India doesn't buy oil, it makes it [00:28:19] much easier, and they're not going to [00:28:20] buy. [00:29:15] Before the wistle glows, before the final bell, there is the [00:29:18] conversation, it's a language understood by every [00:29:22] stadium on every street corner, it's a moment, your [00:29:26] heartbeat with million others, it's [00:29:30] a roar of crowd, the silence of [00:29:32] participation, it's a triampful cry of a [00:29:36] champion, it's more than a game, it's a [00:29:40] connection [00:29:45] tv speaks to [00:29:46] the. [00:30:24] Hello and welcome to Pakistan TV, my name is Nilu Shaja. Let's take a look at the headline [00:30:28] the hour. [00:30:47] Prime Minister Shahbas Sharif has a three-day official visit to Saudi [00:30:51] Arabia from the 6th to the 8th of August accompanied by chief of