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[00:00:32] Good evening, salam alaikum, you're watching Pakistan TV, I
[00:00:35] am fahim bangish with the headline news for this
[00:00:37] hour.
[00:00:51] Prime Minister Shahbas Sharif is a three-day official visit to Saudi Arabia
[00:00:54] from the
[00:00:55] of 6th to the 8th of August, accompanied by chief of defense forces field
[00:00:58] marshall and a high-level
[00:01:02] of
[00:01:04] of delegation.
[00:01:09] Prime Minister Shahbas Sharif has highlighted the positive momentum in
[00:01:12] Pakistan, China relations and reaffirmed Pakistan's commitment to
[00:01:16] further strengthening the two countries all with a strategic cooperative
[00:01:23] of partnership. Pakistan army aviation
[00:01:27] has successfully carried out high altitude rescue offer. recovers
[00:01:30] bodies of seven foreign mountaineers after
[00:01:33] of deadly broad peak
[00:01:35] avalanche.
[00:01:43] US, China and Pakistan raised concerns
[00:01:45] of that UN security council over terrorist safe Havens in Afghanistan urged
[00:01:49] Taliban to honor counter terrorism
[00:01:51] of commitments.
[00:02:00] a German court has sentenced an afghan man to life imprisonment for
[00:02:04] deadly car raming attack in Munich
[00:02:06] of that a of killed a mother and her two-year-old daughter, ruling that the
[00:02:09] gravity
[00:02:10] of the crimes make his release highly
[00:02:12] unlikely.
[00:02:17] of Security
[00:02:20] forces
[00:02:21] of killed 12 terrorists of fitnal Hindustan during to IBOs conducted in
[00:02:25] of Vashok and Mastung districts of
[00:02:27] of Baluchistan as part
[00:02:28] of the ongoing. terrorism campaign President Asif Ali
[00:02:32] Zartari and Prime Minister Shahbas Sharif a tribute to the security forces
[00:02:36] for
[00:02:36] of their successful
[00:02:37] of operations of against terrorists Fitnal
[00:02:40] Hindustan.
[00:02:45] Pakistan and
[00:02:46] of seven Muslim nations condemn Israeli attacks in Gaza. Nations
[00:02:50] worn violations Britain President Trump's peace plan
[00:02:53] implementation.
[00:03:00] Hothies kill at least
[00:03:01] a 38 government troops and injured 29 others in missile and drone
[00:03:05] attacks in
[00:03:06] Yemen.
[00:03:46] That's all for now, further news and live streaming, do log to our website
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[00:04:05] in a "I happen to be Shahzad Astan Khan, and with me, I'm really lucky, I've
[00:04:09] been joined by my wonderful colleague happens to be Miss Isha Rehan, there are a couple of
[00:04:13] stories that I brought and then there are couple of stories which Isha brought
[00:04:17] ministry of
[00:04:18] of agriculture, the government of Punjab played role in
[00:04:22] resolving a longstanding issue which was impacting
[00:04:26] the export of Pakistani potatoes. Pakistan, our first..."
[00:04:30] well, I'm very happy that the
[00:04:32] of government is now leading on this issue. I would like to say to all
[00:04:36] my fellows in Pakistan, politicians, ministers,
[00:04:39] whoever, please don't look at the numbers. Okay,
[00:04:43] numbers is not the issue many, many famous companies coming here,
[00:04:47] and everybody is
[00:04:49] so you know, feel so promising of doing the local
[00:04:52] production and you know to get
[00:04:54] of of to build the uh confidence, for the long-term partnership.
[00:04:58] This is much more to do. with the really
[00:05:01] a deep lack of trust between the United States and Iran, obviously that's something
[00:05:05] that goes back nearly five
[00:05:17] my videos, we estimate that around 8.6 million children are
[00:05:21] in situations of child labor, and that of course is very high
[00:05:24] number. those incredible efforts made by Pakistan in
[00:05:28] particular by his excellency prime minister shikbar sharif and his excellency
[00:05:32] field marshall are incredible and commendable and the
[00:05:36] entire world want me to tell or you
[00:05:39] carry on.
[00:06:31] tv speaks to the
[00:06:32] world,
[00:08:05] not happy with him buying oil from Russia, if
[00:08:08] India doesn't buy oil it makes it much easier.
[00:08:12] and then I can
[00:08:13] buy think.
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[00:09:40] hello and welcome to the news room with sun. Today we're going to be taking a look at the
[00:09:44] top stories the hour, the first focus will be on the middle
[00:09:48] eastern situation with
[00:09:49] the way the United States and Iran in particular, what is the latest
[00:09:53] developments pointing towards? there is of course lot of focus on what it is
[00:09:57] that uh Mr. Trump hopes to achieve as we see
[00:10:00] almost six months into this conflict, it will be important to then note what
[00:10:04] it is that will be the likely outcome the kind of efforts that are being
[00:10:08] made by mediating parties right now um there seems to be um
[00:10:12] agreement between Iran and Man and that of course is incient closer
[00:10:16] which gives a couple of options to the US administration as to what it is will
[00:10:20] be the likely scenario moving forward given that that was one the core
[00:10:24] agendas. that Mr. Trump had spoken about and
[00:10:27] with Iran being given more control the straight than it previously had as part
[00:10:31] of this agreement, that will be of course a big blow to what
[00:10:35] is the primary aspect the discussions
[00:10:38] as per the United States and Iran and what initially of course
[00:10:42] the Trump administration spoke about achieving, there's also other core issues at
[00:10:46] hand including Iran's nuclear program and so it remains uncertain what it
[00:10:50] is that it is hoping to achieve and what will be the likely strategy will
[00:10:54] it continue? with the status quo or would it escalate the situation to further
[00:10:57] strikes or it will accept this straight agreement that of course remains to be
[00:11:01] seen and the developments in the middle east are also an important factor as to
[00:11:05] how things will unfold. in our second segment we're going to take a look
[00:11:09] at the very important relationship between Pakistan and Saudi
[00:11:13] Arabia and it's going to be important also in terms of prime minister's
[00:11:17] official three-day visit there as well.
[00:11:19] there is of course a deep history of ties between the two countries and of
[00:11:23] course very important to... ments including defense styes, but the
[00:11:27] overall situation in the backdrop the middle eastern crisis is also
[00:11:31] integral as part of this visit, however that's not the limited agenda,
[00:11:35] there is of course lot of bilateral trade investment that also is going
[00:11:39] to be discussed, it's important to see how that will eventually result in
[00:11:43] much closer partnership between these two very close
[00:11:46] countries, and lastly we're going to take a look at what is happening
[00:11:50] within the United States with of course lot of concern as to how the war is being taken by
[00:11:54] the... american public and then what it is doing for candidates as part
[00:11:58] the republicans and democratic side and it seems that the
[00:12:02] democrats of face a big blow with the kind of michigan primary
[00:12:05] win byy say and this is going to be integral also in terms
[00:12:09] of how that represents what will likely then be the victory in the
[00:12:13] general election and we're going to be taking a look at that in terms the kind of
[00:12:17] supporters and indeed allies that the United States have that have also
[00:12:21] funded different political and electoral campaigns and that will be the... focus
[00:12:25] in the last segment the show today to take closer look at what is happening
[00:12:29] between United States and Iran is part the deal that is
[00:12:33] um inching closer between Iran and Oman, we're going to be taking a
[00:12:37] look at the scenario and the options available for the
[00:12:40] United States and Iran to move forward with that guests we've been
[00:12:44] joined by professor of international relations and earth and
[00:12:47] environment by Dr. Adil Najam. Thank you very much Dr.
[00:12:51] Alil for being part the show today and this will be of course. very
[00:12:55] important discussion with you in terms of how you're looking
[00:12:58] at where we stand about six months from the start the conflict
[00:13:02] between Iran and the United States, what the Trump administration mentioned is
[00:13:06] only going to last few weeks have lasted this long with no end
[00:13:09] insight and no clear end also in terms of which direction is going to take, how
[00:13:13] do you think that the situation will proceed from here and what will be the
[00:13:17] likely scenario that the United States is going to go for, will it decide
[00:13:21] escalate, stay where it is or accept? certain
[00:13:25] aspects i wasn't willing to accept
[00:13:27] before, thank
[00:13:30] you, thank you, I think, well one point I would start with
[00:13:34] is, we usually talk about, as you did,
[00:13:38] of this as a conflict between the US and Iran,
[00:13:42] but let us recall that the original conflict
[00:13:46] is between Iran on one side, which was then
[00:13:49] attacked by Israel and the United States,
[00:13:53] right, and I say this, not just
[00:13:55] for sort of for for for for clarity, but because any
[00:13:59] ultimate long lasting solution will have
[00:14:03] to somehow incorporate actions
[00:14:07] by all three of those parties, and it is now in the
[00:14:11] public imagination and certainly in the global media, and then that gets
[00:14:15] repeated, sort of very often talked about just the US and
[00:14:19] Iran, but I think this is important because without the
[00:14:23] US being able to...
[00:14:25] rain in Israel and its actions in
[00:14:29] the region currently, including for example Lebanon, not
[00:14:33] forgetting Gaza and so on so forth, a long
[00:14:36] lasting solution is unlikely. Having said that, I think
[00:14:40] we speak a more opportune time, because it does seem
[00:14:44] that some sort of an understanding between
[00:14:48] Oman and Iran
[00:14:52] on the very narrow and immediate. issue of how
[00:14:56] to manage the passage of transport on the
[00:15:00] straight of hermooz might be nearing or might already have been
[00:15:03] achieved and may be announced in the next many hours. I
[00:15:07] hope that is so, I think it will be an important step
[00:15:10] forward. that would not mean,
[00:15:13] and both sides, all sides have made it clear that this does not mean that this
[00:15:16] is negotiation about the entireity the issues
[00:15:20] around the conflict, but this is very, very important piece on
[00:15:24] which "everything rests now right now, so that
[00:15:28] is where we are, I think, I hope that there will be an
[00:15:32] agreement, I hope that it agreement will last, though from the
[00:15:36] last six months, I think..." "what we have learned is that we should be
[00:15:39] ready for things to go up and down and up and down and things
[00:15:43] might change whether from the Iranian side or from the
[00:15:47] US and Israeli side or from simply actions
[00:15:50] in the region that might impact that, but I think we
[00:15:54] should be should be ready for turbulence, but if this
[00:15:58] happens, I think it will be an important move forward to get back
[00:16:01] to the place where the two side, two sides,
[00:16:05] Iran and one side and israel." the US on the other can
[00:16:09] actually get to a place where they can start both
[00:16:13] first deescalating and then coming to
[00:16:16] meaningful deeper not just his
[00:16:20] fire but resolution right and doctor
[00:16:24] are the situation around what is being expected to be
[00:16:27] a grade between Iran and Oman is also very important and it
[00:16:31] seems that that is giving lot of control to Iran for inbound vessels
[00:16:35] in the straay that previously didn't have um, when we have
[00:16:39] Iran and Oman actually agreeing on this and
[00:16:43] lot of expectations around the announcement coming in very soon as well, what
[00:16:46] really then will be the likely steps that the United States
[00:16:50] or any other country perhaps can take with this in
[00:16:54] mind if it does not agree to the stance um or does
[00:16:58] not want the the aspects the agreement to be put
[00:17:01] implementation, what really do you think will
[00:17:05] transpire and if both sides actually do agree on
[00:17:09] moving things forward, so again,
[00:17:12] again, let us focus on what moving things forward means, so Oman
[00:17:16] and Iran are the two countries that have
[00:17:19] sovereignty and legitimate right over parts the
[00:17:23] straight, right? now that some of that is in contention, how much and whether there is
[00:17:27] a part that neither has, but those are the two sort of relevant
[00:17:31] parties to the straight, and what we are likely
[00:17:35] to see, we do not know its details, but what we are likely to see is some sort of an
[00:17:39] understanding before between the two and again you will note and be careful with words
[00:17:43] and and not calling trying to sort of use words like
[00:17:46] deal etc, but they will come to some sort of an understanding of how the
[00:17:50] movement of ships on the straight will be managed by the two them.
[00:17:54] the likely scenario it seems is that ships pass on
[00:17:58] one side the straight into the straight and pass on the other
[00:18:02] side out the straight. the real thing to look at is not
[00:18:06] just that, the real thing to look at cat is what is the modus
[00:18:09] operandi that might be proposed or agreed in terms of
[00:18:13] those ships either paying toll, whether it's mandatory charge,
[00:18:17] whether it's a voluntary charge, but Iran has made it clear that
[00:18:20] what it wants and has wanted from the beginning is
[00:18:24] a, acceptance of its sovereignty and right to court and
[00:18:28] court control the state, and b) as part of that
[00:18:31] right to charge some form
[00:18:34] of of fee if you will, whether
[00:18:38] as recompensation for the losses that it says it
[00:18:42] has had in this conflict or as regular
[00:18:46] thing and that's where that what make it makes it tricky because under
[00:18:50] international law if that becomes the norms then the question is
[00:18:54] you know will such a thing be applied in other parts the world where they may be a straight or
[00:18:58] country has some sort of influence on the
[00:19:01] passage of of of transport. now in term the US, my
[00:19:05] assumption would be that the US remained pretty cognisant
[00:19:09] of what is being talked about, my assumption would be, I don't have any knowledge,
[00:19:13] but my assumption would be that the US will not be surprised by what
[00:19:17] comes out, even if it if it if it if it might
[00:19:21] say that it degrees or not, but that it has been, it has remained
[00:19:24] in touch with with with what is coming out, the
[00:19:28] US, I think, and Mr. Trump in particular, does want
[00:19:31] somehow this issue to be resolved, the issue being
[00:19:35] transport on the Hurmus. "and I think so does
[00:19:39] Iran. If you think about go back to these six
[00:19:42] months, the straight got closed right when the
[00:19:46] war started, and then there was this sense when
[00:19:50] the mou discussions were happening that somehow it would be
[00:19:53] eased, but with the coming the blockade from the US
[00:19:57] on the one hand and Iranian mines on the other, the straight has
[00:20:01] remained closed and that has caused both trade and economic concerns.
[00:20:05] Now I think the thing to look at..." are two things,
[00:20:09] focus on the number of ships passing and focus on the amount
[00:20:13] of dollars passing to iron, there are two flows, if the number of
[00:20:17] ships that are actually crossing the hormos increases,
[00:20:21] that is a good sign, right? that that is what would mean that this is not just talk,
[00:20:25] this is action, and at the same time if you see
[00:20:28] some form of monetary support
[00:20:32] coming to Iran, whether it is in the name of voluntary charge or a
[00:20:36] mandatory charge. or toll or
[00:20:39] reconstruction fund or development
[00:20:42] assistance or unfreezing of accounts, how it comes doesn't matter, but those
[00:20:46] two flows, I think until we see that happen.
[00:20:51] "we will not know whether this is real or simply hot air,
[00:20:55] so I do not expect that
[00:20:56] you know suddenly the US will say, well I don't like this and therefore I will stop
[00:21:00] it. The question is, how will it be implemented? We have
[00:21:04] been here before when we thought an agreement had been reached on how
[00:21:08] ships would pass, but the understanding the various sides
[00:21:11] on what that meant was different, and that is the thing that we should
[00:21:15] be looking at once once this happens and if those things
[00:21:19] pass..." "That's a good sign, I'll end with this thought, it
[00:21:22] has that those numbers have shifted, if you
[00:21:26] recall before the before the war, ships for passing
[00:21:30] about you 140, 130 a day, then they
[00:21:34] stopped and went down to three, four, five or zero,
[00:21:38] right after the the meeting in Switzerland where
[00:21:42] the MOU was officially sort of launched, we did see
[00:21:46] some days in which that number crept up to the..."
[00:21:50] 30s, the 20s and even the 40's, right? so the number of ships
[00:21:53] started passing more, and there was indication that support was
[00:21:57] also moving towards round, and that then that got
[00:22:01] stalled, so first step, let's come back to at least that
[00:22:04] level and then ratchet it up back to levels that are
[00:22:08] closer to what it was before the
[00:22:09] war. right, and Dr.
[00:22:13] Adil, the situation in the middle east, of course,
[00:22:17] is not just limited what is happening between Iran and... the US, there are so
[00:22:21] many other fronts, of course, especially with what had earlier
[00:22:25] happened in terms of what has been continuing in
[00:22:28] Gaza and the west bank still now and then of course in Lebanon and then with
[00:22:32] the hoodi rebels in the maritime blockade against Saudi Arabia,
[00:22:36] how exactly do these developments impact Iran's
[00:22:40] decision making as part of what it is that it wants to
[00:22:44] put forward, what its interactions are going to be with the Gulf states and
[00:22:48] what they indeed uh are going to decide in
[00:22:51] response? immensely, immensely, it
[00:22:54] impacts it immensely, not just Iran's, but every parties, it impacts these
[00:22:58] developments impact what Iran does, they impact clearly
[00:23:02] what Israel or the US might do, that impacts
[00:23:06] clearly the other countries in the region, Saudi Arabia for
[00:23:09] example, being very clearly so, but also the Gulf
[00:23:12] countries, also on and so on, so forth, so I do think you are right in
[00:23:16] contextualizing in that larger picture, as I also...
[00:23:20] suggested sort of that larger picture, you cannot sort of just simply cut out
[00:23:24] raza from this, and if you look at what's happening in the world
[00:23:27] today, literally as we speak, so the biggest news that's leading the
[00:23:31] international news everywhere is not just iran or what might happen
[00:23:35] with Hurmus,
[00:23:36] it is what is happening in in
[00:23:39] Yemen, where some sort of sort of escalation
[00:23:43] between the Hithis in Yemen and Saudi
[00:23:46] Arabia is going on and all so what is
[00:23:50] happening in south Lebanon where the supposed sort of
[00:23:54] seesfire or agreement doesn't seem to be holding, so I think those are
[00:23:58] extremely important, from Iran's perspective as to your
[00:24:01] question, these become sort of both
[00:24:04] leveraging points, but also important context for it, and for the region
[00:24:08] and the rest the world, what it also means is that everyone is
[00:24:12] on edge because they understand that bad as these
[00:24:16] things already are, if this in fact becomes a
[00:24:20] regional war, there is really no party that comes out
[00:24:23] unscared, actually I've been arguing that if it becomes regional
[00:24:27] war, it automatically becomes a global war, right, so no
[00:24:31] one in, maybe with the exception of Israel, no one really
[00:24:35] wants that, Iran, while it understands the leverage, I do not
[00:24:39] think has a strategic interest in seeing the war actually
[00:24:42] expanded so that other countries in the region become a
[00:24:46] party to the war, because then the question is which which side? are they part
[00:24:50] becoming a party with, nor does the US
[00:24:53] what, it's already a difficult position with
[00:24:57] this situation, I do not think it strategic interest is in
[00:25:01] expanding the war, certainly whether it's the Europeans or the Chinese or the
[00:25:05] Russians or countries like ourselves in Pakistan, no one would
[00:25:09] like that to happen, the only possible
[00:25:12] except expection sort of exception to that might be
[00:25:16] Israel which does have and has had for a long time sort of this view.
[00:25:20] that we are right, we meaning Israel are surrounded by enemies and
[00:25:24] if it can see those enemies fighting amongst themselves, that
[00:25:28] may have a sort of strategic logic to it, but what
[00:25:32] makes the moment important is in fact that
[00:25:36] the threat of this becoming a greater theater
[00:25:39] of war is such horrendous thought that that
[00:25:43] might be what is bringing these parties, including the
[00:25:46] US, sort of somewhat closer to this little
[00:25:51] resolution on at least what happens in the
[00:25:53] hurmos right? and Dr.
[00:25:56] Adil, the patience and restraint we have seen the gulf states
[00:26:00] exercise, it's the start the conflict. of course is also being tested and
[00:26:04] again Iran has spoken with regards
[00:26:07] to uh what it wants the Gulf states to do in terms of putting more pressure on the
[00:26:11] US to end the possibility of strikes and move forward with
[00:26:14] negotiations or else is going to directly attack a lot
[00:26:18] the oil and energy assets within the
[00:26:21] region, how exactly will the Gulf states be taking
[00:26:25] any possible development in this regard and whether or not there's a
[00:26:29] red line before they start acting differently than they have. so
[00:26:32] far, I'm sure there are red lines, but everyone
[00:26:36] wants not to get close to the red lines, right? so you said
[00:26:40] patience in restraint, there is patience and restraint from the Gulf states, there is
[00:26:44] also sort of care in some ways from Iran and the US
[00:26:47] itself, and every side understands that if they
[00:26:51] actually do something where things get out of hand, it will be very
[00:26:55] difficult to get back, so on on the side the on on the
[00:26:59] if you focus on the Gulf states, there is patience and restraint, but there is also...
[00:27:02] necessity, they one the sort of
[00:27:06] surprises if from theoretical point has been that
[00:27:10] despite installations in their countries being
[00:27:13] attacked, which Iran said were US installations, they have
[00:27:17] not retaliated, they have been very firm and saying, we do not want to be a
[00:27:21] party to this war, right, because they understand also, it's not
[00:27:25] just restraint, it's also a very practical understanding that being
[00:27:28] a party to the war means they will have to be a party on the side of the
[00:27:32] US and Israel right, and that has cost inside.
[00:27:36] Iran while making these these
[00:27:39] incursions, also has to be very careful
[00:27:43] that while it has some sort of irrational to
[00:27:46] say, we
[00:27:47] are hitting or trying
[00:27:48] to hit US installations, if something happens
[00:27:52] so that it's seen not hitting US installations, but being at war with
[00:27:56] these countries, it will force them into
[00:28:00] a retaliation, and that is... what it does not want, so this
[00:28:04] is this is what I meant, that everyone is sort of walking on this these
[00:28:08] eggshells, understanding that one wrong
[00:28:11] move can get them to to to a
[00:28:15] situation they will not be able to control, that I think is the logic
[00:28:19] of deescalation right now, I think that is why
[00:28:23] whether it is Iran or whether it is the US
[00:28:26] would like and and and you can also see the Gulf states putting pressure on the
[00:28:30] US for example as we saw with the Saudies doing on Mr.
[00:28:34] Trump, right? so so the logic of deescalation
[00:28:37] comes out the fair the
[00:28:40] horrendousness of regionalization of this
[00:28:44] war. right, thank you very much Dr. Adil Najam for
[00:28:47] joining us and being a part the news room today, there are a lot of developments taking
[00:28:51] place and everyone has closed eyes as to how things will proceed and there are many
[00:28:55] effects of what is going on in the larger middle eastern situation on
[00:28:59] this very important issue too, so it remains
[00:29:01] to be seen what? exactly will be the way forward that is taken by the
[00:29:05] US and Iran. To talk a little bit more about
[00:29:09] specifically also what is the relationship in the current
[00:29:12] dynamic between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, especially in the backdrop
[00:29:16] the developing regional situation and Prime Minister's three-day official
[00:29:20] visit to the kingdom we've been joined by major general retired Zied Mahmoud is
[00:29:23] security expert and defense analyst. Thank you very much general z for being
[00:29:27] part the news room today. We've of course had
[00:29:31] very important. relationship with Saudi Arabia still
[00:29:35] continues the deep historic, cultural and religious
[00:29:38] ties with the country, and of course our deep bilateral investment
[00:29:42] and defense cooperation are also significant in terms of what
[00:29:46] this relationship means to us, but especially now with this very important
[00:29:50] three-day official visit by the prime prime minister, how are you looking at what is
[00:29:54] going to be the most significant takeaways from this visit and
[00:29:58] what can
[00:30:04] I think our strategic partnership with Saudi Arabia, it is an overarching,
[00:30:07] you know, so it has the economic dimensions, it
[00:30:11] it has the socio political dynamics as well and
[00:30:15] dimensions as well, as you alluded that the deep rooted
[00:30:19] ties which we already enjoy, and it also impact the
[00:30:23] strategic partnership, especially in the backdrop of
[00:30:26] present situation in Middle East, of course many things in Pakistan
[00:30:30] that they think that this this visit is all about
[00:30:34] the war which is going on in middle east, but it is little beyond
[00:30:38] that, yes, of course the war will remain most important feature of
[00:30:42] our discussions, because Saudi Arabia being our partner
[00:30:46] is being threatened as far as the red seas concerned, they have serious
[00:30:50] concerns about about the developments which are taking
[00:30:53] place, there have been some targeting
[00:30:56] inside Saudi Arabia, which
[00:30:58] is matter of concern, and secondly Pakistan is a chief.
[00:31:02] dator so being the most trusted.