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[00:00:35] Hello and good evening, it is 8 p.m. on the clock and I am Rafael Sohel
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[00:00:57] of Prime
[00:01:00] Minister Shahbas Sharief leaves Madina for Pakistan,
[00:01:04] concluding his successful visit to Saudi Arabia during which
[00:01:08] Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Turkey sign the Makka joint
[00:01:11] defense agreement. The historic pact aims to strengthen collective
[00:01:15] deterence
[00:01:16] of against any act of
[00:01:17] aggression.
[00:01:26] Nationwide
[00:01:27] a celebrations mark historic Makka joint. Defense agreement between
[00:01:31] Pakistan, Saudi
[00:01:32] of Arabia of and
[00:01:33] of Turkey. Celebration will continue until Monday with public and private buildings
[00:01:37] illuminated in green and red
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[00:01:49] Indian media outlet: India today acknowledges Pakistan's
[00:01:52] strategic interest in the Maka joint
[00:01:55] of defense pact with Saudi Arabia and Turkey, describing the
[00:01:59] agreement as a important development for
[00:02:01] Pakistan.
[00:02:12] Leading global media outlet, South Asian voices says
[00:02:16] Pakistan played a key mediating role
[00:02:18] in easing tensions between the United
[00:02:22] of of States and Iran, helping bring senior officials from both countries to direct talks in
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[00:02:35] Turkish President Rajap Tayyab Erdovan says the Makka joint defense
[00:02:39] agreement between Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan is not
[00:02:43] targeting any country but aims to strengthen regional security and
[00:02:48] of cooperation.
[00:03:03] Iranian president says Tehran is ready for
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[00:08:44] Assalam alaikum and welcome to Perspective. The question as far as
[00:08:48] Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Turkey and the landmark macca mutual
[00:08:52] defense agreement. It doesn't look like it's simple strategic
[00:08:56] partnership, but the beginning of new regional
[00:08:59] security architecture. We'll be talking about the ramifications
[00:09:03] of this development as it resonates in the region. Of course Pakistan
[00:09:06] with its unique military experience Turkey with its
[00:09:10] defense capabilities and to expertise and Saudi
[00:09:14] Arabia with its enormous economic and strategic weight.
[00:09:17] What will the three countries together mean for the region and for the world? How
[00:09:21] will the world look at it and how does the region look at it? How
[00:09:25] formidable a front will this union present? All of that today on
[00:09:29] perspective. A little later on we'll also be talking about
[00:09:32] US-Israel relations and the growing strains that are
[00:09:36] becoming eminent in the week of all that, in the wake of all that is being
[00:09:40] said by key. does in the US
[00:09:43] administration and also what is happening as far as the
[00:09:46] relationship and its tendence for a while that seem to be
[00:09:50] unraveling. all of that today on perspective. i have
[00:09:54] with me our first segment sardar masod khan joining us and later
[00:09:58] on we'll have other guests during the course the program. sardar
[00:10:02] sab, as far as the makka mutual defense agreement is
[00:10:06] concerned, this development itself and what it
[00:10:09] means for the region and for the world. Uh, this
[00:10:13] defense pact evolving into broader
[00:10:17] and the potential for it to sort of,
[00:10:19] you know, move into a broader strategic and economic partnership. What are your
[00:10:23] thoughts on that?
[00:10:37] that it's a historic moment for the region and for the three
[00:10:41] countries. You recall that last September Pakistan and Saudi
[00:10:44] Arabia had signed strategic
[00:10:48] mutual defense agreement, and at that time this discussion
[00:10:52] had started that this would be expanded, that there would be... regionalization of
[00:10:56] this kind of collective security and that's happening
[00:11:00] now, you would also recall that
[00:11:02] there were many other countries who showed
[00:11:06] interest, for instance, I mean one heard that Qatar,
[00:11:10] addition to Turkey, Egypt and Kuwait, these
[00:11:14] countries were interested, but I think it has expanded
[00:11:17] and as you
[00:11:19] were rightly pointing it out, it would
[00:11:21] be, it would...
[00:11:25] kind of give new construct for defense and economic
[00:11:29] partnership between the three countries
[00:11:32] and this would have very positive impact on the
[00:11:36] region. sardar sab, as far
[00:11:39] as this alliance and its move towards a wider
[00:11:43] muslim alliance, there's a lot that is being said about that
[00:11:47] also. how do you look at that and you know other muslim
[00:11:51] countries moving in for closer cooperation? do you think that's?
[00:11:55] also a possibility? yes, it's a
[00:11:58] possibility, but let me first of all address
[00:12:02] two issues that are being discussed, one is that whether it is
[00:12:06] performative, that it's just symbolic, no, it is not, it is very
[00:12:10] substantive, and second is is it directed
[00:12:14] against any other country, one specific country
[00:12:17] or number of countries, and the answer is
[00:12:20] no, and this has been clarified by all the three
[00:12:24] signatories. through their statements and it's not also written
[00:12:27] into the into into the into the
[00:12:31] agreement. the other thing that has been said, I mean,
[00:12:34] particularly western commentators also in our region, people have been
[00:12:38] speculating whether it's a Muslim NATO, and I would say
[00:12:42] that it's a partnership in the making, it has
[00:12:46] yet to be curated and it has to be
[00:12:49] perfected, but I think that the links between the three countries
[00:12:53] already exist. now and they they can be
[00:12:57] developed further
[00:12:58] to deal with multiple
[00:13:02] situations. now what is happening right
[00:13:06] now is that the islamic ummah or the
[00:13:10] community at large, the are 56, 57 members
[00:13:13] the organization of Islamic cooperation, they
[00:13:17] by large feel that they are defenseless, that they
[00:13:20] can't deter aggression whenever they are
[00:13:23] attacked. "and they've been depending on certain
[00:13:27] security providers, but when the war
[00:13:31] start or aggression is committed against them, they can't defend
[00:13:34] themselves and so whether not you call
[00:13:38] it an Islamic NATO, it's an embryo,
[00:13:41] nucleus which has been put in place, and I think that
[00:13:45] in the years to come it could theoretically expand, already there is lot of
[00:13:49] interest amongst Muslim countries, I mean right now the focus
[00:13:53] is on the g'. but there are other significant
[00:13:57] countries like you have Malaysia and Indonesia and Bruney dar
[00:14:00] salam or some countries in Africa who may also like
[00:14:04] to join, my own assessment is
[00:14:08] that if it is a small group it would be
[00:14:11] effective, if it becomes a sprawling
[00:14:14] organization then of course it is overtaken by bureaucracies
[00:14:18] and it doesn't remain that effective. I think
[00:14:22] that first this experiment has to be
[00:14:25] perfected, when we look
[00:14:29] at beyond military cooperation, its effects as on
[00:14:33] the diplomatic front, do you think that
[00:14:35] you know those may outway the former considering that
[00:14:39] you know what this can mean and the way that the the perception of
[00:14:42] it, the weight of it together, how it's going to be
[00:14:46] looked at diplomatically and the weight that it's going to add to
[00:14:50] each individual country, how do you look at that?
[00:14:53] well, I would... say that
[00:14:56] you know this
[00:14:59] is this agreement is very momentuus,
[00:15:03] everybody is looking at it, it's prospects and
[00:15:07] so I think that first you have to look at the military dimension,
[00:15:11] it's very significant because you have three
[00:15:15] military forces combining their strengths and
[00:15:19] their assets, you have Turkey which is the second largest
[00:15:22] armed forces in... Pakistan is the
[00:15:26] largest, I mean they about 70000 troops,
[00:15:29] Turkey should be about 4000,
[00:15:33] Saudi Arabia, 225000 troops.
[00:15:37] mind, it's a big force of 1.2
[00:15:41] million soldiers, and if you add to them
[00:15:44] the reserves or paramilitary
[00:15:47] forces, then the number in fact grows to
[00:15:51] 2.2 million, so it's a it's a formidable force.
[00:15:55] second is that the
[00:15:58] population is more more
[00:16:02] than nearly 400 million dollars.
[00:16:06] mean, pardon me for, i was being
[00:16:10] interrupted by some calls, so i just misspoke,
[00:16:13] but to be precise,
[00:16:17] 382 million
[00:16:20] people, so this is this
[00:16:23] is and the combined GDP
[00:16:27] these countries would be about the
[00:16:30] point four trillion dollars, which would make them the
[00:16:34] seventh largest economy of a block economy. in the
[00:16:37] world, so and what they
[00:16:41] have decided to do right now, we have to understand that first,
[00:16:45] that they have said that this is not an access against any other country, they have said that they
[00:16:49] are not going to accelerate arms race in the region,
[00:16:53] that they are focusing on joint
[00:16:57] defense production, technology transfer, military
[00:17:01] exercises, training, and also it would be
[00:17:05] underpinned by economic partnerships. between these
[00:17:08] three countries, it is being compared to NATO and it
[00:17:12] is being perceived or misperceived because of this language that has
[00:17:16] been using used in the agreement that attack
[00:17:20] on one is attack on all, so this this of
[00:17:24] course this has been borrowed, this is similar to the
[00:17:28] NATO agreement, the article
[00:17:31] 5, but let me also remind you that
[00:17:34] article 5 was has been invoked only one in NATO's
[00:17:38] history and that was after 9/11,
[00:17:42] so we'll have to see how
[00:17:44] it is used, but since I mentioned these
[00:17:48] factors that is not merely our security partnership, it
[00:17:51] is basically security
[00:17:55] synergy, I mean it is strategic synergy the three
[00:17:58] countries and their primary
[00:18:01] objective is to deter aggression so that when they
[00:18:05] are attacked any the three countries is... fact, they can
[00:18:09] call us their strengths, they can mobilize their forces
[00:18:13] and deter aggression,
[00:18:17] but but in terms of diplomatic leverage again, do you
[00:18:21] think that that may matter more ultimately then then
[00:18:25] troops or weapons for each country, and
[00:18:28] and how this looks to the world in terms of capabilities, because of course,
[00:18:32] like you said, the coming together of each country's
[00:18:35] strength, as i also mentioned, do you think that that
[00:18:39] will add a lot of diplomatic leverage each
[00:18:42] country?
[00:18:45] you know, diplomacy is the preferred course of action for
[00:18:49] Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, which has been demonstrated
[00:18:53] by this recent war, when it
[00:18:55] started by the attacks, when it was started by the attacks the
[00:18:59] United States and Israel against
[00:19:03] Iran, so what is the course of action that these three
[00:19:06] countries have? and of course I mean Pakistan took into confidence
[00:19:10] Saudi Arabia and Turkey and Egypt and built
[00:19:14] regional consensus and then we got the backing
[00:19:17] the the of China
[00:19:20] and so with this combined mandate
[00:19:24] we invested Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and Turkey invested in
[00:19:28] diplomacy so if they
[00:19:31] have entered into this agreement doesn't mean that they are
[00:19:35] excluding records. to diplomacy, in fact
[00:19:39] diplomacy would be their preferred tool so that
[00:19:42] the aggression doesn't take place at
[00:19:46] all, so I think that diplomacy would
[00:19:50] be an essential pincer
[00:19:53] of this agreement and this
[00:19:57] new block, if you can call it, fair enough,
[00:20:01] in terms of, you know, what
[00:20:04] Turkey will gain in terms of balancing? as far as we are
[00:20:08] looking at of course Saudi Arabias enormous
[00:20:10] of course uh the economics as far as
[00:20:14] each country's concerned, what they h hope to gain as far as
[00:20:18] military is concerned and when we look at Pakistan in that regard of course and
[00:20:22] also nuclear capabilities that it brings
[00:20:25] to this alliance in terms of moving forward, do you
[00:20:29] think it also will balance sort of powers in
[00:20:33] the region? well yes,
[00:20:36] one thing that I to highlight and I said it in so many
[00:20:40] words while responding to your early
[00:20:42] questions, it is not the
[00:20:46] entire agreement is not "
[00:20:50] directed against any one country, so it's not a sunni block so to
[00:20:54] say. now you were talking about the relative strengths
[00:20:57] these countries and if they are combined,
[00:21:00] you know, turkey and what they are looking for, as matter of turkey
[00:21:04] was
[00:21:06] designated by the next enemy
[00:21:09] by some the politicians in Israel, mean after Iran, and so it
[00:21:13] is vulnerable, it is rising, but is vulnerable, it's one the
[00:21:17] most successful muslim countries. so
[00:21:20] but their strength is
[00:21:24] their defense industrial base and Pakistan is
[00:21:28] connected with the Turkey, I mean they are
[00:21:31] manufacturing many defense platforms already in Pakistan and we have very
[00:21:35] close defense cooperation between the two countries, similarly
[00:21:39] in Saudi Arabia is oil rich
[00:21:42] and it has convenient power, it is of
[00:21:45] course the custodian the holy places and so...
[00:21:50] "and Pakistan is nuclear weapon state,
[00:21:53] it its conventional forces are also formidable,
[00:21:56] so what if you combine these strengths, what
[00:21:59] these countries are looking for is collective security
[00:22:03] and influence, this would of course enhance their influence in the
[00:22:07] region and beyond. I was listening
[00:22:11] to the reactions and I think that there was
[00:22:14] one reaction from Iran, I mean the
[00:22:18] one" member the
[00:22:22] the National Security Committee their parliament who said that this will do
[00:22:26] no good to Saudi Arabia, but again
[00:22:29] I want to highlight that this agreement is not directed against
[00:22:33] any one country and it doesn't rule out
[00:22:37] inclusion of other countries,
[00:22:41] Islamic countries, I mean it doesn't exclude even the possibility
[00:22:45] the inclusion of of
[00:22:49] Iran. because even if you look at
[00:22:52] the memorandum of understanding is language, the
[00:22:56] memorandum that was brokered by Pakistan, it in
[00:23:00] fact envisages a framework
[00:23:03] whereby Iran and the Gulf states would became
[00:23:07] become interdependent and stakeholders
[00:23:10] in reconstruction the region and
[00:23:13] also kind of economic partnerships
[00:23:17] between Iran and the Gulf countries can't lead tom
[00:23:21] a joint security architecture for the
[00:23:25] region post war. right, thank you so much
[00:23:29] for joining us, sardar sab, thank you for being with us. i'm going to move to left general
[00:23:33] mustafa now
[00:23:37] thank you for being with us.
[00:23:40] j sir, this agreement as far as Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Turkey,
[00:23:44] we we talking about what they bring each, you each
[00:23:48] country brings to the table. with regard to this defense
[00:23:51] agreement and the fact that it seems to be a
[00:23:55] start and and
[00:23:56] you know lot of critics are calling it a just start
[00:24:00] to what can happen as far as this alliance is concerned and the
[00:24:03] potential of it to increase into so much
[00:24:07] more. do you agree with
[00:24:08] that?
[00:24:13] it's begin by understanding why this agreement was made
[00:24:17] frankly, why i understanding? basically is
[00:24:20] that the GCC countries which so far
[00:24:24] dependent on United States of America and they had their bases and
[00:24:28] everything, they found that the bases the Americans could not defend
[00:24:32] themselves, how could they defend those countries
[00:24:36] where they were located? and secondly, they
[00:24:40] also realize increasingly, and this is
[00:24:42] not happing today,
[00:24:46] this happen over the years that the... countries
[00:24:50] have realized in this region that outside
[00:24:54] anybody outside, whether is
[00:24:57] America, anybody else, they
[00:24:59] are not here for our benefit, they are there for their own
[00:25:06] these three countries they have laid the basis including of
[00:25:10] course pakistan agreement with that, they
[00:25:14] laid the basis
[00:25:16] to a mutual.
[00:25:20] cooperation
[00:25:22] architecture, that is how
[00:25:25] I look at it, and when you talk about what they bring to the
[00:25:29] table, I mean you see the power house,
[00:25:33] turkey is emerging as one the
[00:25:36] leading countries in terms of
[00:25:39] difference technologies, so Arabia of course
[00:25:43] is the
[00:25:47] oil power house, financial power. house and
[00:25:51] Pakistan together with its geographical location,
[00:25:55] let's not forget that, the geography the
[00:25:58] whole thing must also be
[00:26:02] captain. interview brings to the table kind
[00:26:05] of strength that actually when i said that less
[00:26:09] the basis for what can happen in the future what should happen in the
[00:26:13] future that is i think very very
[00:26:15] critical number two i have been
[00:26:19] hearing jee please continue
[00:26:22] i
[00:26:26] have been reading and i have been listening to different
[00:26:29] people and the kind of color that is
[00:26:32] being given to this agreement,
[00:26:36] these three trilateral agreement, it's a NATO, Islamic
[00:26:40] NATO and Islamic
[00:26:42] what, without understanding
[00:26:46] NATO had different environment, different situation, different
[00:26:49] thing, they were opposed to and they
[00:26:53] were fearing a war
[00:26:56] with, is this in your opinion the beginning
[00:27:00] of a more autonomous? regional security
[00:27:04] architecture in your opinion where you of course middle eastern states can
[00:27:07] then
[00:27:08] you know be more independent rather than relying
[00:27:11] on perhaps you know external security guarantees do do you
[00:27:15] think that you that's what it's targeted to do one of one the
[00:27:19] reasons
[00:27:28] is going to be looked at how it's going to be
[00:27:37] the question. When I said that it has laid the foundation of mutual
[00:27:40] cooperation, it does not
[00:27:43] exclude any country. Number one, number two, it is
[00:27:47] not directed against any country. I
[00:27:50] just read the tweet from Iran's foreign
[00:27:54] minister, he has not only welcomed it, but he has said that this is how
[00:27:58] it should be actually the Muslims getting together to
[00:28:02] fight. against any aggression from outside, number two
[00:28:05] development that can take place when all the Muslim
[00:28:09] countries of this region get together,
[00:28:12] put together these countries and I
[00:28:16] am sure and I have no doubts about it that these three
[00:28:20] countries, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, they have not
[00:28:24] only this in mind, but I think there some kind of context already be
[00:28:28] made, at some point Iran will join this, because
[00:28:32] Iran joins this
[00:28:35] architecture and then it becomes kind
[00:28:39] of
[00:28:39] a pillar around which you will find other countries
[00:28:43] also coming around. now are interested people
[00:28:47] here, you which have runs
[00:28:49] china, through Pakistan to Iran to Saudi
[00:28:52] Arabia and Turkey, then we have Soviet
[00:28:56] Union, sorry, Russia, which again
[00:29:00] has relationship with Turkey with the area with
[00:29:03] Pakistan and obviously
[00:29:06] China, but this is how the whole
[00:29:10] thing is
[00:29:10] to be looked at, does it not particularly
[00:29:14] you know strengthen deterrence and and you perhaps makes
[00:29:18] conflict less likely is
[00:29:21] at least you know that seems the
[00:29:23] to be one reasons when we look at the conflicts around the world
[00:29:27] and certainly it's worth applaading when we look at you know the coming
[00:29:31] together these countries. and what it means deterrance wise
[00:29:34] particularly,
[00:29:39] mean we have to be clear who is the enemy against whom we have, we
[00:29:42] are calling this as terrance, unless we define that, unless we define the
[00:29:46] threat perception at least
[00:29:48] these th
[00:29:52] confusion in this regard, however having said
[00:29:55] that, these countries when
[00:29:58] mutually start cooperating with each other,
[00:30:02] "the tension between the countries number one will start going
[00:30:05] down, number two, any misunderstandings will
[00:30:09] start disappearing, number three each other
[00:30:12] resources will come and help each other out, and
[00:30:16] finally when it matures into that area, that is when it will
[00:30:20] become a deterrance, deter against what, this
[00:30:24] agreement has killed abraham accord, this agreement has
[00:30:28] killed the chances of what we call greater
[00:30:30] Israel, agreement less the foundation
[00:30:34] for the withdraw of United States of America from this region,
[00:30:38] they are not needed here, if we are we can cooperate and look after
[00:30:42] each other, why are they, why is America here?
[00:30:46] because they think they have been selling this idea of Iran
[00:30:49] threatening everybody around, that is changing, that
[00:30:53] has changed in fact, Iran's foreign ministers,
[00:30:57] tweet have already quoted and