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[00:00:25] Hello of and very warm welcome to Pakistan TV, i am fizah sajaval with the top stories
[00:00:29] of this
[00:00:35] of
[00:00:42] of Nationwide celebrations mark
[00:00:46] historic Makka joint defense agreement between Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and
[00:00:49] Turkey. Celebration will continue until Monday with public and private buildings
[00:00:53] illuminated in green and red
[00:00:55] lights.
[00:01:00] Islamabad is beautifully illuminated as part of Saudi Arabia and Turkey
[00:01:04] marks the signing of
[00:01:05] of Makka joint defense agreement. The special decorations across the federal
[00:01:09] capital reflects the strong bonds of brotherhood, mutual
[00:01:12] of trust, defense cooperation and shared resolve among the three
[00:01:15] countries.
[00:01:22] Turkish singer Mustafa akif releases a commemorative song celebrating the
[00:01:26] historic Makka joint defense agreement signed by Turkey. Saudi Arabia and
[00:01:30] Pakistan. The
[00:01:31] of song highlights the unity and strategic partnership among the three nations for training
[00:01:35] the agreement as a symbol of collective strength and cooperation linking the middle east
[00:01:39] and
[00:01:42] a Asia.
[00:01:47] Indian
[00:01:47] of media of outlet India today
[00:01:48] of acknowledges Pakistan strategic interest in the Makka joint defense pact with Saudi
[00:01:52] Arabia and Turkey describing the agreement as an important development for
[00:01:56] Pakistan.
[00:02:06] Leading global media outlet south Asian voices says Pakistan played a key
[00:02:09] mediating role
[00:02:10] of in easing tensions between the United States and Iran helping bring senior
[00:02:14] officials from both the countries to direct talks in
[00:02:16] Islamabad.
[00:02:22] Iranian president says Tehran is ready for dialogue with the
[00:02:26] United States in Europe but will not accept demands that compromise Iran's soffering.
[00:02:30] or defensive
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[00:02:37] of of Security forces killed seven terrorists belonging to Indian sponsored during an
[00:02:41] intelligence based operation in Hangu district while Captain
[00:02:44] of Hamza Akram paid the ultimate sacrifice and embraced martterdom during an
[00:02:47] exchange of
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[00:02:55] Pakistan test squad arrives in England from the West Indies to play three match test series
[00:02:59] starting from. of august in
[00:03:03] of leads.
[00:03:16] now for the news in detail, pakistan is celebrating the historic success of
[00:03:19] Makkka joint defense agreement between Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and
[00:03:23] Turkey. celebrations are being held across the country from today until
[00:03:27] Monday with public and private buildings illuminated in and red
[00:03:30] lights, the colors
[00:03:31] of the flags of three countries are also being prominently displayed on buildings as
[00:03:35] Pakistan marks the
[00:03:36] of landmark defense
[00:03:37] of agreement.
[00:03:43] Federal capital
[00:03:44] of Islamabad has been beautifully decorated on the eve of Makka joint defense agreement
[00:03:48] between Pakistan, Turkey and Saudi Arabia. The special decoration
[00:03:52] of the federal capital is beautiful manifestation of brotherhood, mutual
[00:03:55] trust, defense
[00:03:56] of cooperation of and common
[00:03:57] a determination between the three countries. Let's cross over to our
[00:04:01] of correspondent
[00:04:01] Ananmbasi.
[00:04:16] Three flags, one sky, one promise, tonighted
[00:04:20] Islamabad shines brighter, the makka joint defense
[00:04:23] agreement born in Makkka, celebrated in Pakistan,
[00:04:27] built on one principle. The security of one
[00:04:31] is the security of all. The city has been decorated
[00:04:35] with national flags of Pakistan, Turkey and Saudi
[00:04:38] Arabia. Special LED screens have been installed all
[00:04:42] across the capital, highlighting the historic brotherly
[00:04:46] relations, mutual cooperation and shared defense
[00:04:49] commitment between the three brotherly Islamic nations.
[00:04:53] Constitution Avenue is adoned with lights of green and red
[00:04:57] color, adding even more beauty to. Islamabad
[00:05:01] of special led screens have been
[00:05:02] of installed at key locations, the messages displayed on the
[00:05:06] led reflects the significance
[00:05:08] of the Makka joint defense agreement and the strengthening
[00:05:12] ties between Pakistan, Turkey and Saudi Arabia.
[00:05:16] This special decoration is beautiful expression of
[00:05:19] brotherhood, mutual trust, defense cooperation
[00:05:23] and shared resolve.
[00:05:26] Annava basi, Pakistan TV,
[00:05:28] Islamabad. Turkish singer Mustafa
[00:05:32] Aagif released a commemorative song celebrating the historic Makkka joint defense
[00:05:35] agreement signed by Turkey, Saudi Arabia and
[00:05:38] Pakistan.
[00:05:45] ciddenin ufkunda yükselen güneş,
[00:05:49] üç büyük millet, tarihe
[00:05:52] eş, Ankara, Riyad
[00:05:55] ve islamabad, sarsılmaz bir
[00:05:59] yemin, ebedi
[00:06:03] bir
[00:06:03] ahir,
[00:06:10] üç kıtada yankılanır. Şanlı
[00:06:13] Destan. Türkiye, Suudi
[00:06:16] Arabistan ve Pakistan. Ortak
[00:06:20] savunma
[00:06:20] paktı.
[00:06:29] Indian media outlet: India today has acknowledged Pakistan strategic interest in the
[00:06:33] Maka joint defense pact with Saudi Arabia and Turkey describing the agreement
[00:06:37] is an important development for Pakistan. The report said Defense integration
[00:06:41] joint. exercises and technology transfers could enhance Pakistan's
[00:06:45] defense capabilities, while intelligence sharing and joint defense production could
[00:06:49] further strengthen its preparedness. it added that the pact could facilitate
[00:06:53] Pakistan's access to Turkey's advanced drone technology, electronic warfare
[00:06:56] capabilities. According to the report, Saudi Arabia's financial support and
[00:07:00] Turkey is defense technology are key strategic benefits for Pakistan from the
[00:07:04] trilateral
[00:07:04] cooperation.
[00:07:12] Pakistan has played a key mediating role
[00:07:14] in easing tensions between US and Iran and peace talks for held in
[00:07:17] Islamabad. Leading global media leaders, South Asian voices
[00:07:21] noted that Pakistan played a key role in bringing the US and Iran to the
[00:07:25] negotiating table and senior officials from both
[00:07:27] the countries held direct talks in Islamabad. South Asian voices
[00:07:31] highlighted that Pakistan established contact between
[00:07:34] the US and Iran a
[00:07:35] time when both sides at reached
[00:07:37] a stage of severe tensions and mutual losses. US based global media
[00:07:41] leaders said that Pakistan. geographic position enties with both the US
[00:07:45] and Iran give it a unique position for effective mediation. Rather than
[00:07:49] pressuring the parties, Pakistan leveraged access, trust and
[00:07:52] timely diplomacy. Moreover, South Asian voices that Pakistan
[00:07:56] successfully mediated between the US and Iran in 2026, bringing
[00:08:00] a global power a major regional power to the negotiating table.
[00:08:04] Pakistan played a diplomatic role that even major powers such as China,
[00:08:08] France, Germany, India and the UK could not
[00:08:11] play.
[00:08:17] That's it for the moment, for more details and live streaming, log to our website,
[00:08:21] pakistantv.com. Take
[00:08:22] care.
[00:09:00] Asalam alaikum and welcome to perspective uh the question as far as Saudi
[00:09:04] Arabia, Pakistan, Turkey and the landmark Makka mutual defense
[00:09:08] agreement, it doesn't look like it's simple strategic
[00:09:11] partnership, but the... beginning of new regional
[00:09:14] security architecture, we'll be talking about the ramifications
[00:09:18] of this development as it resonates in the region. of course Pakistan with
[00:09:22] its unique military experience, Turkey with its
[00:09:25] defense capabilities and NATO expertise, and Saudi
[00:09:29] Arabia with its enormous economic and strategic weight,
[00:09:33] what will the three countries together mean for the region and for the world,
[00:09:36] how will the world look at it and how does the region look at it? how
[00:09:40] formidable affront will this union present all of that today on
[00:09:44] perspective, a little later on we'll also be talking about
[00:09:48] US-Israel relations and the growing strains that are
[00:09:51] becoming eminent in the week of all that, in the wake of all that is being
[00:09:55] said by key figures in the US
[00:09:58] administration and also what is happening as far as the
[00:10:01] relationship and its tendence for a while that seem to be
[00:10:05] unraveling, all of that today on perspective, i have
[00:10:09] with our first segment sardar masod khan, joining us and later
[00:10:13] on wel have other guests during the course the
[00:10:15] program as far as the
[00:10:18] makka mutual defense agreement is concerned this
[00:10:22] development itself and what it means for the
[00:10:26] region and
[00:10:27] for the world, this defense pact evolving
[00:10:30] into broader and the potential for it to sort
[00:10:34] of move into a broader strategic and economic partnership,
[00:10:38] what are your thoughts on
[00:10:39] that?
[00:10:52] I said that it's a historic moment for the... region and
[00:10:55] for the three countries, you would recall that last September Pakistan and
[00:10:59] Saudi Arabia had signed strategic
[00:11:03] mutual defense agreement and at that time this discussion
[00:11:07] had started that this would be expanded, that there would be regionalization of this
[00:11:11] kind of collective security and that's happening
[00:11:15] now. you would also recall that there
[00:11:18] were many other countries who showed interest, for instance, I
[00:11:22] mean one heard that Qatar... addition to
[00:11:26] Turkey, Egypt and Kuwait, these countries were
[00:11:29] interested, but I think it has
[00:11:32] expanded and as
[00:11:34] you were rightly pointing it out, it
[00:11:36] would be, it
[00:11:39] would kind of give new construct for
[00:11:43] defense and economic partnership between
[00:11:46] the three countries, and this would
[00:11:49] have very positive impact on the
[00:11:51] region, sir, far is
[00:11:55] this alliance and its move towards a wider
[00:11:59] muslim alliance, there's a lot that is being said about that
[00:12:02] also, how do you look at that and you know other muslim
[00:12:06] countries moving in for closer cooperation? do you think
[00:12:09] that's also a possibility?
[00:12:13] yes, it's a possibility, but let me first of all
[00:12:17] address two issues that are being discussed, one is that
[00:12:21] whether it is performative, that it's just symbolic, no, it is not. is
[00:12:25] very substantive and second is is it
[00:12:28] directed against any other country, one specific country
[00:12:32] or number of countries, and the answer is
[00:12:36] no, and this has been clarified by all the three
[00:12:39] signatories through their statements and it's not also written
[00:12:43] into the into into the into the
[00:12:46] agreement. the other thing that is being said, mean
[00:12:50] particularly western commentators also in our region, people have been
[00:12:53] speculating whether it's a... NATO and I would
[00:12:57] say that it's a partnership in the making, it
[00:13:01] has yet to be curated and it has to be
[00:13:04] perfected, but I think that the links between the three countries
[00:13:08] already exist, now and they they can be
[00:13:12] developed further
[00:13:13] to deal with
[00:13:17] multiple situations, now what is happening right
[00:13:21] now is that the Islamic Ummah.
[00:13:25] the community at large, they are 56, 57 members
[00:13:28] the organization of Islamic Cooperation,
[00:13:32] they byen large feel that they are defenseless, that they can't
[00:13:36] deter aggression whenever they are
[00:13:39] attacked, and they've been depending on certain
[00:13:43] security providers, but when the war
[00:13:46] start or aggression is committed against them, they can't defend
[00:13:50] themselves and so whether not you call
[00:13:53] it an Islamic... It's an embryo,
[00:13:56] nucleus which has been put in place, and I think that
[00:14:00] in the years to come it could theoretically expand, already there is lot
[00:14:04] of interest amongst Muslim countries. I mean, right now the
[00:14:08] focus is on the Gulf, but there
[00:14:11] are other significant countries like you have Malaysia and Indonesia and Brunei,
[00:14:15] Darus Salam, or some countries in Africa who may also
[00:14:19] like to join, my own assessment is
[00:14:23] that if it is a small group, it would be
[00:14:26] effective, if it becomes a sprawling
[00:14:30] organization, then of course it is overtaken by bureaucracies
[00:14:33] and it doesn't remain that effective. i think
[00:14:37] that first this experiment has to be
[00:14:40] perfected. so that when we look
[00:14:43] at beyond military cooperation, its
[00:14:47] effects as on the diplomatic front, do you think that
[00:14:50] you know those may outway the former considering that
[00:14:54] you know what? can mean and the way that
[00:14:56] the the perception of it, the weight of it
[00:14:59] together, how it's going to be looked at diplomatically and the
[00:15:03] weight that it's going to add to each individual country, how do you look at
[00:15:07] that? well, I would say
[00:15:10] that you
[00:15:12] know,
[00:15:14] this is this agreement is very
[00:15:18] momentous, everybody is looking at it, it's prospects
[00:15:21] and so I think that the first... have to
[00:15:25] look at the military dimension, it's very significant because
[00:15:29] you have three military forces combining
[00:15:32] their strengths and their assets, you have
[00:15:35] Turkey which is the second l just armed forces
[00:15:39] in NATO. Pakistan is the largest, I mean there are about
[00:15:43] 70000 troops. Turkey should be
[00:15:46] about 40000, Saudi Arabia,
[00:15:49] 225000 troops
[00:15:52] combined, it's a big force of 1.2
[00:15:56] million soldiers, and if you add to them
[00:15:59] the reserves or paramilitary
[00:16:03] forces, then the number in fact grows to
[00:16:06] 2.2 million. so it's a it's a formidable force,
[00:16:10] second is that the population
[00:16:14] is more more
[00:16:17] than nearly 400 million
[00:16:38] This is this is and the combined
[00:16:41] GDP these countries would be about
[00:16:45] 3.4 trillion dollars which would make them
[00:16:49] the seventh largest economy of a block economy in the
[00:16:53] world so and what they
[00:16:57] have decided to do right now we have to understand that first that
[00:17:01] they have said
[00:17:01] that this is not an access against any other country they have said that they are not going to
[00:17:05] accelerate arms race in the... region
[00:17:08] that they are focusing on joint
[00:17:12] defense production, technology transfer, military
[00:17:16] exercises, training, and also it would be
[00:17:20] underpinned by economic partnerships between these
[00:17:24] three countries, it is being compared to NATO and it
[00:17:28] is being perceived or misperceived because of this language that has been
[00:17:32] using used in the agreement that attack
[00:17:35] on one is attack on so this this of
[00:17:39] course this has been borrowed, this is similar to the NATO
[00:17:43] agreement, the article 5,
[00:17:47] but let me also remind you that article 5 was has
[00:17:51] been invoked only once in NATO's history and that
[00:17:54] was after 911, so we'll
[00:17:58] have to see how
[00:17:59] it is used, but since I mentioned these
[00:18:03] factors that is not merely - security partnership, it
[00:18:07] is basically security
[00:18:10] synergy, mean it is strategic synergy the three
[00:18:13] countries and their primary
[00:18:16] objective is to deter aggression so that when they are
[00:18:20] attacked any the three countries is attacked they can
[00:18:24] colus their strengths, they can mobilize their forces
[00:18:28] and deter
[00:18:30] aggression, but but in terms of
[00:18:33] diplomatic leverage again, do you think that that?
[00:18:37] me matter more ultimately than than troops or
[00:18:40] weapons for each country and and how this
[00:18:44] looks to the world in terms of capabilities, because of course,
[00:18:48] like you said, the coming together of each country's
[00:18:51] strength,
[00:18:52] as I also mentioned, do you think that that will add a lot of
[00:18:56] diplomatic leverage each
[00:18:57] country?
[00:19:00] you know, diplomacy is the preferred course of action for
[00:19:04] Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, which
[00:19:07] has been... demonstrated by this recent war when it
[00:19:11] started by the attacks, when it was started by the attacks the
[00:19:15] United States and Israel against
[00:19:18] Iran, so what is the course of action that these three
[00:19:22] countries have taken? of course, I mean Pakistan took into confidence
[00:19:26] Saudi Arabia and Turkey and Egypt and built
[00:19:29] regional consensus, and then we got the backing
[00:19:32] the the of China,
[00:19:36] and so with this... bind mandate, we
[00:19:39] invested Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and Turkey invested in
[00:19:43] diplomacy, so if they
[00:19:46] have entered into this agreement doesn't mean that they are
[00:19:50] excluding recourse to diplomacy, in fact
[00:19:54] diplomacy would be their preferred tool so that
[00:19:58] the aggression doesn't take place at
[00:20:01] all, so I think that diplomacy
[00:20:05] would be an essential. pincer
[00:20:08] of this agreement and this
[00:20:12] new block, if you can call it, fair
[00:20:16] enough, in terms of,
[00:20:18] you know, what Turkey will gain in terms of
[00:20:21] balancing, as far as we are looking at of course Saudi
[00:20:25] Arabia's enormous of course, the
[00:20:28] economics as far as each country is concerned, what they h hope
[00:20:32] to gain as far as military is concerned, and when we look at Pakistan in that regard
[00:20:36] of course and also... nuclear capabilities that it brings
[00:20:40] to this alliance in terms of moving forward, do you
[00:20:44] think it also will balance sort of powers in
[00:20:48] the region? Well yes, one thing that I
[00:20:52] want to highlight and I said it in so many words
[00:20:56] while responding to your early questions, it is
[00:21:00] not the entire agreement is
[00:21:03] not directed against any one
[00:21:07] country, so it's not a sunni block so to say, now you were
[00:21:10] talking about the relative strengths these countries and if they
[00:21:14] are combined,
[00:21:15] you know Turkey and what they are looking for as matter of turkey
[00:21:19] was
[00:21:23] designated by the next enemy by some the politicians in Israel, I
[00:21:27] mean after Iran and so it is vulnerable, it is rising but
[00:21:31] is vulnerable, it's one the most successful muslim
[00:21:33] countries, so but their
[00:21:37] strength is their defense
[00:21:40] industrial base and Pakistan is connected with the Turkey, I mean they
[00:21:44] are manufacturing many defense
[00:21:48] platforms already in Pakistan. and we have very close defense
[00:21:51] cooperation between the two countries, similarly in Saudi Arabia
[00:21:55] is oil rich and it has
[00:21:58] convenient power, it is of course the custodian the holy
[00:22:02] places and so and Pakistan is nuclear
[00:22:06] weapon state,
[00:22:08] it its conventional forces are also formidable,
[00:22:11] so what if you combine these strengths, what
[00:22:15] these countries are looking for is collective security
[00:22:18] and influence, this would have... enhance their influence in the
[00:22:22] region and beyond, I was listening
[00:22:26] to the reactions and I think that there was
[00:22:30] one reaction from Iran, I mean the
[00:22:33] one member the
[00:22:37] the National Security Committee their parliament who said that this will do
[00:22:41] no good to Saudi Arabia, but again
[00:22:45] I want to highlight that this agreement is not directed against
[00:22:49] any one country. "and it doesn't
[00:22:51] rule
[00:22:53] out inclusion of other countries,
[00:22:56] Islamic countries, I mean it doesn't exclude even the possibility
[00:23:00] the inclusion of of
[00:23:04] Iran, because I
[00:23:06] mean if you look at the memorandum of understanding is
[00:23:10] language, the memorandum that was brokered by
[00:23:13] Pakistan, it in fact
[00:23:16] envisages a framework whereby..."
[00:23:20] 'Iran and the Gulf states would became become
[00:23:23] interdependent and stakeholders in
[00:23:26] reconstruction the region and also kind
[00:23:30] of I mean an economic partnerships between Iran and the Gulf
[00:23:34] countries can lead to a joint
[00:23:38] security architecture for the region post
[00:23:55] this agreement as far as Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, you
[00:23:59] we talking about what they bring each, each
[00:24:03] country brings to the table with regard to this defense
[00:24:07] agreement, and the fact that it seems to be a
[00:24:10] start, and and
[00:24:11] you know lot of critics are calling it is just start
[00:24:15] to what can happen as far as this alliance is concerned and the potential
[00:24:19] of it. to increase into so much more? do you
[00:24:23] agree with
[00:24:23] that?
[00:24:28] just begin by understanding why this agreement was made
[00:24:32] frankly, why i understanding? basically is
[00:24:36] that the GCC countries which so far
[00:24:39] dependent on United States of America and they had their basis in
[00:24:43] everything, they found that the basis the Americans could not
[00:24:47] defend themselves, how could they defend? those
[00:24:51] countries where they were located and secondly
[00:24:55] they also realize increasingly and this is
[00:24:57] noting
[00:25:01] today, this happen over the years that
[00:25:05] the countries have realize in this region that
[00:25:08] outside any money outside whether
[00:25:12] is america anybody else, they are not here
[00:25:16] for our benefit, they are there for their own good fine.
[00:25:20] Okay, therefore these three countries, they have laid the
[00:25:24] basis including of course, pakistan has so
[00:25:27] agreement with that, they laid the basis
[00:25:31] to
[00:25:34] mutual cooperation
[00:25:37] architecture, that is how
[00:25:41] I look at it, and when you talk about what they bring to the
[00:25:45] table, I mean you see the power house,
[00:25:48] Turkey is emerging. as one the
[00:25:51] leading countries in terms of
[00:25:54] difference technologies. Saudi Arabia, of course
[00:25:58] is the in terms of
[00:26:02] oil power house, financial power house and
[00:26:06] Pakistan together with its geographical
[00:26:09] location, let's not
[00:26:11] forget that, the geography the
[00:26:13] whole thing must also be
[00:26:17] kept in the view, brings to the table kind
[00:26:20] of strength that actually when I said that less
[00:26:24] the basis for what can happen in the future, what should happen in the
[00:26:28] future, that is I think very very critical.
[00:26:32] number two, i have been
[00:26:34] hearing, please
[00:26:37] continue,
[00:26:41] i have been reading and i have been listening to different
[00:26:44] people and the kind of color that is
[00:26:48] being given to this agreement,
[00:26:51] these three trilateral agreement is a NATO, islamic
[00:26:55] NATO and islamic
[00:26:57] what, without understanding
[00:27:01] NATO had the different environment, different situation, different
[00:27:05] thing, they were opposed to and
[00:27:08] they were fearing a war
[00:27:11] with, is this in your opinion the beginning
[00:27:15] of a more autonomous regional security
[00:27:19] architecture in your opinion, where you know of course middle eastern states can
[00:27:23] then
[00:27:23] you know be more independent rather than relying
[00:27:27] on perhaps you know external security guarantees, do do you
[00:27:31] think that
[00:27:31] you know that's what is targeted to do one of one the
[00:27:34] reasons
[00:27:43] going to be looked at, how it's going to be
[00:27:52] the question, when I said
[00:27:53] that has laid the foundation of mutual
[00:27:55] cooperation, it does not
[00:27:58] exclude any country, number one, number two. It is
[00:28:02] not directed against any country. I
[00:28:06] just read the tweet from Iran's foreign
[00:28:09] minister, he has not only welcomed it, but he has said that this is how
[00:28:13] it should be actually the Muslims getting together to
[00:28:17] fight against any aggression from outside. Number two
[00:28:20] development that can take place when all the
[00:28:24] Muslim countries of this region get
[00:28:25] together, put
[00:28:28] together. These countries and I
[00:28:32] sure and I have no doubts about it that these three countries
[00:28:36] Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, they have not
[00:28:40] only this in mind, but I think there some kind of context have already
[00:28:43] made, at some point Iran will join this, because
[00:28:47] Iran joins this whole
[00:28:50] architecture and then it becomes kind
[00:28:54] of a pillar around which you will find other
[00:28:58] countries also coming around, now interested people
[00:29:01] here. you have China which runs through
[00:29:05] Pakistan to Iran to Saudi Arabia
[00:29:09] and Turkey, then we have Soviet Union,
[00:29:12] sorry, Russia, which again has relationship with
[00:29:16] Turkey, with Saudi Arabia, with Pakistan and
[00:29:20] obviously China, but this
[00:29:24] is how the whole thing needs to be looked at,
[00:29:28] particularly
[00:29:29] you know strengthen deterrence and and... perhaps
[00:29:33] makes conflict less likely, at least
[00:29:36] you know that seems to be one the reasons when we look
[00:29:40] at the conflicts around the world and certainly it's worth
[00:29:44] applading when we look at you know the coming together these countries
[00:29:48] and what it means deterrance wise
[00:29:49] particularly?
[00:29:54] mean we have to be clear who is the enemy against whom we have, we are
[00:29:57] calling this as a terrorist, unless we define that, unless we define the
[00:30:01] threat perception. at least these
[00:30:04] three
[00:30:07] confusion in this regard, however, having said
[00:30:10] that, these countries when
[00:30:13] mutually start cooperating with each
[00:30:16] other, the tension between the countries, number one will start
[00:30:20] going down, number two, any misunderstandings will
[00:30:24] start disappearing, number three each other
[00:30:28] resources will come and help each other out and
[00:30:31] finally it matures into that area, that is when it will
[00:30:35] become a deterrance, deter against what, this
[00:30:39] agreement has killed abraham accord, this agreement has
[00:30:43] killed the chances of what we call greater israel,
[00:30:47] this agreement less the foundation for withdrawal of
[00:30:51] united states of america from this region, they are not needed
[00:30:54] here, if we are we can cooperate and look after each other,
[00:30:58] why are the why is america?