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[00:11:15] Hello and welcome to the news room with some today we're going to take a look at the important
[00:11:18] developments taking place starting off with the situation in the middle east with the
[00:11:22] focus on what is happening between Saudi Arabia. and the rebels
[00:11:26] in Yemen and also those emerging from within Iraq, it's important to
[00:11:29] see what really is going on as part of this front
[00:11:33] that has opened up at the middle east least caused huge concerns for the already
[00:11:37] ongoing conflict between the United States and Iran, but also
[00:11:41] in terms of what will be the likely response coming in from Saudi
[00:11:45] Arabia that has vowed for a firm response to Houti attacks
[00:11:48] and advancements well into uh the areas close to
[00:11:52] Bauble Mundop and of course with the attacks. that they have made against Saudi
[00:11:56] Arabia and its maritime blockaid. It's important also to know that there
[00:12:00] were a comprehensive um area that was covered in terms
[00:12:04] of security alerts uh within Saudi Arabia, including
[00:12:07] Macca, and while those were lifted pretty quickly, it was of
[00:12:11] course cause for concern as to what really raised the alarm bells and how
[00:12:15] exactly that situation will be handled by Saudi Arabia and
[00:12:19] what really will be the way forward. We've also seen Saudi Arabia meet with other
[00:12:23] countries including Egypt also. Of course calls for um
[00:12:26] more action coming in from the United States have also been put forward, but so
[00:12:30] far the United States is hesitant to enter into this all
[00:12:34] out and has of course committed itself to providing
[00:12:38] intelligence but refraining from moving in more than that, but what does
[00:12:42] that mean in of course the ways in which it's going to affect this developing
[00:12:45] situation, but also in terms the United States own
[00:12:49] relationship with the countries involved and then of course how it then
[00:12:52] impacts the situation between Iran and the... United States next segment
[00:12:56] we're going to take a look at what is happening with regards to
[00:13:00] what the US and particularly its defense forces are
[00:13:03] facing as result the kind of spending that has been seen as part the
[00:13:07] war against Iran and it seems that from
[00:13:11] about 33 billion dollars that were spent on the war so
[00:13:15] far about 22 billion of those has been spent on
[00:13:19] munitions alone and it seems that there is huge aspect of strategic
[00:13:22] stock bds up being less for the United States and of course the
[00:13:26] ways in which it's going to respond will be important to see how
[00:13:30] exactly defense forces and manufacturing companies are actually going to cop
[00:13:34] up. The defense sectory of course is pushing for increasing of
[00:13:38] weapon production, but what does that mean in terms of how exactly
[00:13:42] this can actually be delivered and what really will be the response and
[00:13:45] impact on Iran? And lastly we're also going to be taking
[00:13:49] a look at the very important situation in terms the
[00:13:53] developing and ongoing. genocide in Gaza and the West Bank and it
[00:13:57] seems that uh previously of course the UK had
[00:14:01] not been vocal about their support for Gaza
[00:14:04] and of course with the new prime minister coming in there were mixed views about
[00:14:08] what it is that he's going to do and the kind of stons that he's going to take, but it
[00:14:12] seems that he has stepped up in terms of
[00:14:15] outrightly condemming what's going on in Gaza and talking
[00:14:19] about the support for Gaza and of course has also um
[00:14:23] come forward with boycot. for certain goods being um
[00:14:27] imported from Israel and it's important to see what really will
[00:14:31] be the move forward in this regard, how it affects UK's relationship
[00:14:35] with Israel and will the UK actually go so far as
[00:14:38] calling what is happening in Gaza genocide that so far
[00:14:42] it hasn't still, so we're going to take a look at that at the end
[00:14:46] the show. to start off with what is in the middle east, we've been joined by
[00:14:50] professor Lazlow Chedman who's professor at the University of Budapest and
[00:14:53] senior fellow at Hungarian Institute of International
[00:14:57] Affairs. We've also been joined with Dr. Matthew Mohammed Ferzani who is
[00:15:00] professor and chair of history at the northeastern Illunai
[00:15:04] University. Thank you very much gentlemen for being part the show today. Dr. Matthew,
[00:15:08] let me begin with you. When we see what is happening in Saudi Arabia
[00:15:12] and of course with the Huti rebels advancements increasing. We're hearing
[00:15:15] from Saudi Arabia that they're going to be responding firmly to the
[00:15:19] advancements that have been made. But what does that mean in terms of
[00:15:23] how far Saudi Arabia is going to? take this given of course that
[00:15:27] any response coming in in terms
[00:15:30] the level or intensity that perhaps is being said in
[00:15:34] rhetoric will result in an all-out war, but given the... situation
[00:15:38] at the moment, the kind of advancements and attacks that have been made so far and
[00:15:42] with of course the areas around babal mandab also being
[00:15:45] secured by the hooti rebels, what does that mean in terms the very
[00:15:49] real possibility of that actually
[00:15:51] happening? well, one the things that we need
[00:15:55] to take note of immediately is that Saudi Arabia
[00:15:59] in its decades long history since its
[00:16:02] inception and sovereignty is that it
[00:16:06] has never...
[00:16:07] faced a challenge as
[00:16:08] it is challenging being challenged right now by the hoothis in Yemen,
[00:16:12] that's very important to note, that means that historically it hasn't had the
[00:16:16] opportunity to test to see if it can defense itself
[00:16:20] without the help of others and also it
[00:16:23] means that it puts Saudi Arabia a very
[00:16:27] difficult situation because it does have access to the
[00:16:31] Persian gulf, hence its oil has to go
[00:16:34] through straight of Hormus which is blocked by Iran. and
[00:16:38] then it does have access to the Red Sea, which means
[00:16:42] it needs for its ships to go through Babel Mandab, as you
[00:16:45] mentioned, the Sweez is open and will be open for the time
[00:16:49] being, so all these things we are in uncharted
[00:16:53] territory right now for crown prince
[00:16:57] bin Salman right now, what it means for Iran is
[00:17:00] that Iran had said from before that it would
[00:17:04] ask its hoothi allies in
[00:17:07] Yemen to do anything to help
[00:17:11] Iranians in their fight against the Americans and
[00:17:15] essentially the Israelis since February 28th, and this
[00:17:19] rhetoric is not new, this goes back many, many
[00:17:22] years as the Iranians were helping the Shiites
[00:17:26] and the Houtis in Yemen, so historically that's been
[00:17:30] going on for at least 20 some of years, it's nothing new,
[00:17:33] but because the American Israeli war that... had
[00:17:37] started on February 28th, now we're a very realistic
[00:17:41] situation uh, if we can say um that
[00:17:45] Saudi Arabia has to make decision to come down really hard
[00:17:48] and respond to the
[00:17:52] destruction of its oil, the 750 mile oil pipe
[00:17:56] that was going to the Red Sea, which is its only outlet
[00:18:00] to get its oil out, if they don't respond then it
[00:18:04] would be anybody's guess how the next round of
[00:18:07] fighting from Hutis against the Saudis would turn out,
[00:18:11] so I'm guessing that um Saudi Arabia would
[00:18:15] have to respond hard, but at the same time it cannot
[00:18:19] do this by itself, it's going to have to need
[00:18:21] to ask for allies and that's where
[00:18:25] the Mecca agreement, the defense pact that was recently signed
[00:18:29] by Pakistan by Turkey and by Saudi
[00:18:32] Arabia, we just have to see what these other nations would decide and whether
[00:18:36] or not if someone would ask them to come uh to
[00:18:40] help in some shape or fashion, which puts
[00:18:43] everything under extreme
[00:18:47] um difficulty and challenge for everybody if anybody wants this war to be
[00:18:51] over anytime soon. right, professor
[00:18:55] lasl, when we're looking at these developments taking place, there is of course
[00:18:59] lot of concern as to how um Saudi Arabia will respond, but
[00:19:03] also how other countries are going to be responding to it, there is...
[00:19:07] of course uh what Saudi Arabia looks towards for
[00:19:11] support from the United States and while it has committed to
[00:19:15] supporting in terms of intelligence sharing it hasn't really of course
[00:19:19] stepped up in terms of any um more active involvement perhaps
[00:19:22] in the situation and while that may be of course understandable but
[00:19:26] what really do you think is the current stance that the US is
[00:19:30] taking and what is it that it's likely going to take if the situation
[00:19:34] worsens? thanks for having me
[00:19:38] invited? yeah, that's a very good point. i think at this point the
[00:19:41] United States told that there is an
[00:19:45] existing cease fire between the United States and the Houti
[00:19:49] movement, and it rejected to enter in the war. however,
[00:19:53] it can change in the upcoming days depending on
[00:19:56] the situation, unfolding situation in
[00:20:00] the Yemani crisis, and especially I would expect that in the
[00:20:04] upcoming days there's going to be more escalation. to be seen
[00:20:08] in this conflict, especially as professor mentioned
[00:20:12] that Saudi Arabia will respond and and
[00:20:16] definitely it will going escalate uh the
[00:20:18] crisis and and at
[00:20:21] the you know that Saudi is criticizing with other Gulf states, the
[00:20:25] United States that the Washington reluctant to
[00:20:28] defend them, especially from the Iranian uh
[00:20:32] drone and rock missilees attacks and here we have another
[00:20:36] conflict uh which definitely Saudi Arabia would like
[00:20:39] escape from, the same case is for Washington, I
[00:20:43] think, especially getting closer to the midterm
[00:20:46] elections, with increasing uh...
[00:20:50] prices in the the United States, I
[00:20:53] think the hoouti escalation is not a good
[00:20:57] opportunity to implement the exit strategy the Trump
[00:21:00] administration, so definitely in the upcoming days US
[00:21:03] position can change a bit depending on the
[00:21:07] situation. Right, Dr. Matthew,
[00:21:11] the situation of course between the US and Iran is still
[00:21:14] continuing, and while there may be hopes of course for the two
[00:21:18] sides to get on the negotiating tables. so far we haven't seen that happening, what
[00:21:22] is the situation between Saudi Arabia and the rubbles do
[00:21:26] for the situation, how does it embalden Iran's position
[00:21:30] if at all, and what will any sort of action coming in from Saudi
[00:21:33] Arabia due to the USS's position and the kind of
[00:21:37] actions it's willing to take in the middle
[00:21:39] east? well, as you
[00:21:42] know, the bricks nations and their invited guests
[00:21:45] nation guests that were in New Delhi last
[00:21:49] week, "there was a lot of talk between
[00:21:53] Persian Golf Arab countries and Iran and the plan was
[00:21:57] for all them to meet the Persian Golf Arab states and Iran to
[00:22:00] meet being hosted by Oman to work out
[00:22:04] the details of how it would be for this straight to be open
[00:22:08] and controlled by Oman from the south and Iran from the north
[00:22:12] and apparently Saudi Arabia due to the difficulties that is
[00:22:15] having with his Yemini neighbors to the
[00:22:18] south" had to cancel and ask for an extension of
[00:22:22] time, which the Omanis have abided by,
[00:22:26] because they want this agreement to be signed apparently by all
[00:22:30] the person, golf arab states including Saudi Arabia, Kuwait,
[00:22:33] Iraq, Bahrain, Qatar and
[00:22:37] Emarat, so in that
[00:22:39] sense, Iranians right now
[00:22:43] are a good position because apparently they have convinced and they have come
[00:22:47] to a understanding with the Omanis and how
[00:22:50] to control the flow of oil, however the
[00:22:54] United States keeps objecting to any kind of
[00:22:58] arrangement that would be made,
[00:23:02] and the public is not yet preview to the details of that. As far as
[00:23:06] Saudi Arabia is concerned, as I mentioned earlier and our other
[00:23:10] guest is agreeing, Saudi Arabia because it's
[00:23:13] been sucked into this war with with
[00:23:17] Yemen and Hutis, whether... the Iranians are helping or not,
[00:23:21] but like with in all likelihood Iran is helping with
[00:23:25] a variety of ways, they're going to have to address this
[00:23:28] situation, and I don't see any other way to address the
[00:23:32] situation militarily other than going and making a
[00:23:36] deal with other Persian gulf states with
[00:23:39] Iran and opening the straight and putting an end to this
[00:23:43] absolutely nonsensical war that started for no
[00:23:46] reason, right? um... Professor
[00:23:50] Laslu, when we're looking at the which Bobble Mandap is
[00:23:54] getting affected, and of course the straight of removes is of
[00:23:57] course something that has been uncertain since quite a few
[00:24:01] months now and since the beginning the conflict, when we look
[00:24:04] at the kind of impact that the situation Bubble Bundab has also
[00:24:08] created and also with the very important east-west pipeline of
[00:24:12] Saudi Arabia being affected, what does that mean in
[00:24:15] terms
[00:24:17] the global oil supply that is affected, but not just... for Saudi Arabia, for
[00:24:21] the rest the Middle East and the world indeed, the ways in which this is
[00:24:24] impacting different countries, how do you think that they're going to respond given that their
[00:24:28] stakes are also high in this situation? and that's a very
[00:24:32] good question, because it's not just about Saudi Arabia, but for the
[00:24:36] United Arab Emirates, which is a competitor the Saudis
[00:24:40] especially in the Yemen, the last couple of months, but
[00:24:44] this conflict can bring the two countries together, because for
[00:24:48] instance Saudi Arabia impacted by the eastwest pipeline and the yambu
[00:24:52] port which today stopped oil loading and oil
[00:24:55] shipment, but on the other hand, baubel mandab is still
[00:24:59] open at the moment and we are unsure about the
[00:25:02] future of whether the hooties would like to
[00:25:06] disrupt the the freedom of navigation there, but for the United
[00:25:10] Arab Emirates, more the port infrastructure
[00:25:13] matters, and especially as the hoot is getting
[00:25:16] closer to the local allies are...
[00:25:20] movements in close to the balm
[00:25:23] mandab, that's very interesting that it can bring together
[00:25:27] several states and cooperate on the hoot
[00:25:30] issues, because probably today they they will see it
[00:25:34] as a common enemy, this is true for Egypt as
[00:25:37] well, especially there is an unfortunately
[00:25:41] an opportunity to decrease the suas canal income for
[00:25:45] Egypt which is disastrous for Egypt's economy, so that's
[00:25:49] why muhammad b Salman today, the chrome prince of Saudi
[00:25:52] Arabia, had a meeting with Abdul Fattah Sis
[00:25:56] in Egypt, and even there are many talks that
[00:26:00] probably Israel can join - the war,
[00:26:03] which is very sensitive issue of course for the Saudis,
[00:26:07] because they wouldn't like to see themselves part of
[00:26:10] same war against the movement, but however, there is
[00:26:14] a common security challenge for all the states mentioned
[00:26:18] here. right, and professor lasto,
[00:26:21] the maritime coalition that was proposed by
[00:26:25] Saudi Arabia did get some good responses initially, but given the current
[00:26:29] situation, do you think that any tangible action will be?
[00:26:32] collectively in terms of any maritime
[00:26:35] defense? now definitely that's very
[00:26:39] interesting as today, united arab emirates is not part of
[00:26:43] this, and as it was said that there is the mecca
[00:26:46] agreement as well, so Saudi is expecting other countries to
[00:26:50] join, but what really does it mean in reality? this is a
[00:26:53] question, because until today that the hoouti is just attacking the
[00:26:57] Saudi ships, however not disrupting
[00:27:01] today the... other shipment movements and i
[00:27:05] think hootis have their own strategic calculation
[00:27:09] and they probably would like to see the balbel mandab
[00:27:12] open for the upcoming months, of course it depends
[00:27:15] on hormos and iran as well, but with their own
[00:27:19] strategic calculations, probably they are just playing a long-term
[00:27:23] game uh to be at the most important stakeholder in
[00:27:27] the balbel mandab and definitely this is another
[00:27:31] situation so if port infrastructure is going to be attacked,
[00:27:35] definitely other countries can join
[00:27:38] as well, especially to defend the maritime
[00:27:42] shipping roots, because it's not just about Saudi
[00:27:45] Arabia, but about Oman and other countries, but Toman
[00:27:49] definitely is more neutral in the Middle East than
[00:27:52] others. Right, thank you very much, professor Lasl Chichman for
[00:27:56] joining us and being a part the show. Dr. Matthew, when we're looking at
[00:28:00] the situation, especially with the... kind of elements
[00:28:04] also existing within Iraq, how do you think that the governments in
[00:28:07] both Iraq and Yemen are going to be responding to the situation, of course
[00:28:11] Yemen has talked about increased response, of course it has acted
[00:28:15] in ways against the Huti rebels as well, but
[00:28:18] how how effective do you think these responses will be and
[00:28:22] what will be Saudi Arabia's action or support that it
[00:28:26] can extend in order to ensure that that does eventually happen and with
[00:28:30] Iraq, where do you think that the government?
[00:28:32] would stand? well, the
[00:28:35] responses, would have to be quite measured,
[00:28:39] but at the same time, quite decisive, if Saudi Arabia
[00:28:43] wants to
[00:28:44] win this situation, and we just
[00:28:46] have to wait and see what had what can happen. as far as
[00:28:50] Iraq is concerned, apparently the latest attacks, some them
[00:28:54] were launched from inside, the sovereign territory
[00:28:58] of Iraq, and that puts Iraq a very difficult situation,
[00:29:02] because... "United States is not in war with Iraq, it's in war with Iran,
[00:29:05] but at the same time Iran has incredible influence
[00:29:09] visavy its friends in Iraq, it has had that
[00:29:13] since the 2003 American invasion and
[00:29:17] overthrowing of the uh governor Saddam Hussein at that
[00:29:21] time, so we just have to wait and see as far as any immediate
[00:29:24] changes, I don't foresee any changes to take place, as far as
[00:29:28] Iraq's situation is concerned, I think Iran..." will
[00:29:32] continue to not only
[00:29:35] influence the regional politics, especially with Saudi
[00:29:39] Arabia, because I think Iran wants to put a tremendous amount of
[00:29:43] pressure on Saudi Arabia to pressure the United States
[00:29:47] in essence to end the war and
[00:29:50] hence the support for Iraq and hence the support for Hutis
[00:29:54] will continue for forceable future unless something
[00:29:58] totally drastic happens and Iran would stop that
[00:30:02] right? Professor Maty, we also seen that there was a meeting that
[00:30:05] was scheduled to take place in Romania, they are with the gulf states also in
[00:30:08] presence, which is canceled and what the Umani authorities have said on Saudi
[00:30:12] Arabia's request, what does that show in terms the current
[00:30:15] response uh towards what is happening in the straight by the
[00:30:19] Gulf states and Saudi Arabia, even a man who earlier was very close to
[00:30:23] reaching an agreement with Iran on this, well
[00:30:26] apparently sana, Iran and Oman have
[00:30:29] agreed as to how they would...
[00:30:32] divide right in between the thalwick lines, the
[00:30:36] deepest point in in the straight of
[00:30:39] hormos, i don't think that's an issue as far as public information is
[00:30:43] concerned, what we're understanding. what is
[00:30:47] at at the at the main question right now here is whether or not all the
[00:30:51] pergion golf arab states like i stated before, they would
[00:30:55] agree to this agreement, that means the would agree to pay both
[00:30:58] parties, iran to the north and Oman to the south, for
[00:31:02] safe passage, which brings up the question of whether or not what the
[00:31:06] United States is saying that they have totally demined and