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[00:00:21] Hello and welcome, you're watching Pakistan TV, I
[00:00:23] am Ahmed Shah and these are the
[00:00:25] headlines.
[00:00:33] a
[00:00:38] of Deputy prime minister and foreign
[00:00:41] minister depart Islamabad for New York where he will accompany Prime Minister
[00:00:45] Sharif from the 21st to the 25th of September for the high level
[00:00:49] week
[00:00:50] a of the 81st session
[00:00:52] of the United Nations General
[00:00:53] Assembly.
[00:01:00] Iran sets conditions for reviving negotiations with the United States including an
[00:01:04] end to the war, release of frozen funds and an end to the naval
[00:01:07] blockade.
[00:01:15] of of CIA Director John Radcliff meets Egyptian President Abd Fatih
[00:01:19] of CC in Cairo to discuss regional conflicts and maritime
[00:01:22] security.
[00:01:31] Saudi Arabia says it has intercepted and destroyed a ballistic missile
[00:01:35] launched by huti militia towards Riyadh while thouting other
[00:01:39] attacks targeting
[00:01:40] civilians.
[00:01:49] Qatar, Jordan and Bahrain condemn Houti
[00:01:51] in Militia missile attack targeting Riyadh the capital of Saudi Arabia as
[00:01:55] well as reported attempts to target civilian areas
[00:01:58] of and facilities in the cities of Bish.
[00:02:02] of
[00:02:07] Russian strike on Keyev region kills four including three
[00:02:11] children. Ukraine launches mass drone attack on
[00:02:14] Russia.
[00:02:20] Security forces killed five terrorists belonging to Fitnal Hindustan and
[00:02:24] recover 23 abducties during an operation near Kalat in
[00:02:28] Balochistan. Large quantity of. weapons, ammunition and
[00:02:31] explosives also recovered from the killed
[00:02:33] terrorists.
[00:02:46] of of
[00:02:50] of well that is all for the our for more news, keep watching Pakistan
[00:02:55] of TV. of
[00:03:22] From the heart of South Asia to the cross roads of central Asia from the turbulent middle
[00:03:26] east and North Africa to the power corridors
[00:03:28] of the west. I
[00:03:29] a think "the proxy
[00:03:31] of situation
[00:03:32] of is very problematic uh
[00:03:35] for the US, for Israel, for
[00:03:39] Iran, the Gulf states, for the
[00:03:42] world at large, this conflict could
[00:03:45] a expand, that's what Pakistan and Khather are trying to
[00:03:49] prevent. Israel wants the land of Palestine
[00:03:53] without the Palestinian people, and that is why
[00:03:56] of we see the situation in Gaza.
[00:04:00] being uh getting getting worse, field mar and
[00:04:04] Oman have have kept the channel
[00:04:05] a open when nothing else was working and that matters, and of course the cease fire came
[00:04:09] through Islamabad. Gender persecution is already a crime
[00:04:13] against humanity under the Rome statute, and the
[00:04:17] international criminal court has issued arrest
[00:04:19] of warrants for the two top taliban
[00:04:22] leaders: and Shekha Khani who is the
[00:04:26] chief justice. I suspect that the Canadians are... going
[00:04:30] to pressure on areas that will cause lot of
[00:04:33] discomfort to the Americans as they're coming into the midterm
[00:04:37] elections in November.
[00:04:39] of Iran's
[00:04:40] a declaration that it does not intend to produce a nuclear
[00:04:43] weapon is politically relevant, but declarations
[00:04:47] alone cannot resolve the security dilemma. Iran has always
[00:04:51] said it's prepared to continue the conflict, but it's clear that this preferences for
[00:04:55] this war to end, the US and the Trump administration I think is the same, so there
[00:04:59] is... alignment, but obviously the problem has been, how we get
[00:05:03] there.
[00:05:19] you about about the Pakistani
[00:05:23] role, pakistan, thank you, how have the Iranian leadership
[00:05:26] rule been so by, i think they
[00:05:30] mean
[00:05:32] the reason leadership
[00:05:34] and i have
[00:05:37] no second thought about the fact that
[00:05:41] the man of...
[00:05:42] Beasts.
[00:06:57] There is no longer any blind approval for Israeli
[00:07:00] policy, because the Americans have paid, American soldiers have died,
[00:07:04] hundreds have been injured and hurts,
[00:07:06] for what,
[00:07:07] for nothing. The military conflict
[00:07:11] came to draw. "nobody want, neither side really
[00:07:15] wants to re-engage militarily, so it has
[00:07:18] evolved into economic
[00:07:22] conflict. as society, we do stand a chance when it comes to platform
[00:07:25] accountability and specifically protecting our children all right. the innocent
[00:07:29] people of Afghanistan are the biggest victim of this
[00:07:32] application. they do not exist, let's be very frank, they do not
[00:07:36] exist in their mind, they do not exist in their
[00:07:39] policies.
[00:07:49] From the heart of South Asia to the cross roads of central Asia from the turbulent
[00:07:52] middle east and North
[00:07:53] Africa.
[00:08:01] I happened to be shahazad Istan Khan and with me I'm really lucky I've been joined by my
[00:08:04] wonderful colleague happens to be Isha Rehan. There are couple of stories
[00:08:08] that I brought and then there are couple of stories which I sha brought we have.
[00:08:13] done um some research projects since the 80, then
[00:08:17] in 2010, 2012
[00:08:20] onward to a big Pakistan that
[00:08:24] program, the the plants were here, we are familiar with the word
[00:08:28] kahu, the ko word was used for the olives which were
[00:08:32] not fruiting, a partner like UNICEF is so
[00:08:35] crucial to us, because they have tremendous
[00:08:39] programs, tremendous understanding of how to make difference.
[00:08:43] in these particular areas with newborns and maternity
[00:08:47] care, i've
[00:08:57] like daughter and sister straight off the b. when we speak about healthy
[00:09:01] eating and keeping up with your health, what is your thought on
[00:09:04] that? i just eat healthy, i don't like fissy drinks or like
[00:09:08] stuff like that.
[00:09:40] Good evening, you're watching views at seven with man.
[00:09:43] from the skies
[00:09:43] over the Saudi Arabia to artificial intelligence
[00:09:46] to gender based violence in South Africa, three different realities are
[00:09:50] unfolding in different parts the world, but raising simple question that
[00:09:54] are we going with the main governance issue, are we
[00:09:58] working with that, are we allying with that or are we going with
[00:10:02] that speed as or neighboring countries are doing that? wel
[00:10:05] discuss about that, wel discuss about the security situation in the middle
[00:10:09] eastern conflict that is unfolding. day by day as
[00:10:13] heies targeted
[00:10:16] riyadh and the conflict of middle east started from Iran to the
[00:10:20] middle eastern countries where American facilities the military facilities
[00:10:24] were in stock called the conflict unfolded day by
[00:10:28] days since months, we have been covering that from ideological warfare to
[00:10:32] military warfare economic warfare economic sanctions and then Lebanon
[00:10:36] to Yemen to Saudi Arabia, the conflict is
[00:10:39] actually becoming so complex, wel try to unfold different aspect of this conflict
[00:10:43] and then we'll discuss about another issue that is considered
[00:10:47] as I must say that it is considered as
[00:10:50] something that is complementing our daily routine, it is considered as something that is
[00:10:54] target. or man force,
[00:10:56] it is something that is one way or other considering as source of income, the
[00:11:00] artificial intelligence, but are we going with the same speed
[00:11:04] as or artificial intelligence is working or unfolding day by day or not? wel
[00:11:08] discuss about that, and then another crisis, since decades, since
[00:11:12] centuries, this crisis is there in the world, and we
[00:11:16] are unfolding, we are discussing, we are waiting people, we are
[00:11:19] spreading awareness, we are discussing the reasons behind that, that
[00:11:23] is the gender based. violence: once again, gender based
[00:11:27] violence in South Africa has raised lot of question, in one
[00:11:31] way we are moving forward towards the artificial intelligence towards the emerging
[00:11:34] technologies, latest technologies, but on the other hand, the main issues, the bone of
[00:11:38] contentions remain same, that is the gender based violence, the violence which we have
[00:11:42] been witnessing since long, since decades, since
[00:11:46] centuries, we'll discuss about that, but we'll start with the middle eastern
[00:11:50] crisis as Riyad faced its first director
[00:11:53] arial threat since the... latest relations with Yaman hoti is begin in July,
[00:11:57] so these defense authorities issued already, they have
[00:12:01] issued the alert warning the residence of potential areal danger in
[00:12:05] riyadh explosions have heard across the city and we
[00:12:09] have seen that it was a large bloom of smoke was
[00:12:12] reported there, the king Khalid international airport where fire fighters
[00:12:16] responded to the blaze involving a fuel tank at the nearby
[00:12:20] Ramco facilities, the hoties claimed at this time that they
[00:12:24] targeted this sensitive site in Riyadh and Anaramko
[00:12:28] facility in Yambu while the Saudi Lad coalition said it
[00:12:31] intercepted the missil headed towards the capital and thaward the attacks
[00:12:35] on other locations as well. The incident, this incident, this
[00:12:39] latest development in the middle eastern crisis comes at the conflict
[00:12:42] is expanding beyond Yemen's border. With the tags affecting
[00:12:46] the sodi cities, energy infrastructure there, the red ship, red
[00:12:50] sea shipping roots there, the sea lanes there, the UN security
[00:12:54] council. has condemned the hotis attack
[00:12:57] in Saudi Arabia and called for an end of military
[00:13:01] escalation. to discuss about that
[00:13:03] we are joined by pool of panelist to discuss the reasons behind that what
[00:13:07] needs to be done because this conflict is unfolding expending day by day
[00:13:11] including new actors, new stakeholders, new effectters. to discuss
[00:13:15] about that. we are joined by Mr. inart dension, he is a senior
[00:13:18] fellow at center for international governance innovation and he is a
[00:13:22] chairman of Asia narratives, he has joined us from Beijing and then we are
[00:13:26] having the founder of narrative shapers from Raad
[00:13:29] Mr. Alex swallow, welcome you both in program views at 7, I'll start with
[00:13:33] you. What do you think does the reported targeting of Raad in the
[00:13:37] Saudi energy infrastructure indicate that the Yemen
[00:13:41] conflict is entering a fundamentally new
[00:13:44] phase? They have
[00:13:47] sent bistic miss before, but this is getting very close to
[00:13:51] Riad, obviously this represents escalation. they're
[00:13:55] in bolden, I believe, because the successes of Iran who is
[00:13:59] now insisting that they will set the terms for sease
[00:14:02] fire. So this is not going in the right direction,
[00:14:06] peace is not attainable when you have extremists
[00:14:10] who are intent topling governments
[00:14:13] and neighboring
[00:14:14] governments. Well taken, well
[00:14:18] taken, moving forward towards you, Alex, what do you think that
[00:14:22] how significant or alarming? or threatening this condition
[00:14:26] is that the reported attack near the king Khalid international airport for the
[00:14:30] Saudi Arabia's air defense preparedness and especially the protection of
[00:14:34] its critical infrastructure. so the
[00:14:38] the conflict between the kingdom and the hoothies has been there for over
[00:14:42] decade now, the essentially the
[00:14:46] engagement broke out 2015,
[00:14:48] 2016, there was a period
[00:14:51] of um arial warfare '
[00:14:55] by
[00:14:55] the the kingdom targeting the hoothis in northern Yemen, plus
[00:14:59] as well there were there were conflicts on the ground between the hoothis
[00:15:03] and the the Yemeni government and also other forces in
[00:15:07] the south of Yemen, there have been hoothi attacks on Saudi cities
[00:15:11] before, jedda and also Riyad in 2020,
[00:15:15] but the difference is uh this time previously they
[00:15:19] used drones, this time they are claiming to have used ballistic missiles, so
[00:15:23] from the perspective of technology, it is a shift up because
[00:15:27] it is much harder to defend against ballistic missiles than it
[00:15:30] is against drones coming in, they're much slower, they
[00:15:34] normally have smaller warheads as well. "the question is
[00:15:38] going to be what happens next, um, how do we
[00:15:41] de-escalate, how do we get the the hutis to
[00:15:45] essentially stand down, but also as well, one thing which we haven't looked
[00:15:49] at yet, is what is going to happen in terms of babil mandib with the hoothis
[00:15:53] having taken mod mocha and the surrounding area, which basically
[00:15:57] means that they can target any shipping which traverses the
[00:16:01] red sea and either up to sewers or down from the
[00:16:04] sewers. all right, so the whole..."
[00:16:07] says that they as a retaliation for sodi actions in yemen,
[00:16:11] so can continued military escalation would create a cycle of
[00:16:15] this such kind of attacks and then justification of such kind of attacks
[00:16:19] and then one way or other directly or indirectly attacking each
[00:16:23] other because it has started directly and after that they
[00:16:26] they they just give reason behind that that
[00:16:29] it is in retaliation to this thing,
[00:16:31] so would it create a cycle or or a circle in which all other
[00:16:35] countries, the neighboring countries? who are not even um
[00:16:39] interested to be directly involved, will be directly
[00:16:41] involved, given the import
[00:16:45] of shipping from the red sea, um, straight of homeos is
[00:16:49] closed, most the saudi oil was being pumped from the east the
[00:16:53] country to yambu in the west and was then exting
[00:16:56] from b, it is vital for the the global
[00:16:59] economy that that stays open for the
[00:17:02] oil to keep flowing, especially to to Asia,
[00:17:06] um, we have seen other countries step in, obviously the kingdom
[00:17:10] signed an agreement with Pakistan and Turkey, the the Mecca
[00:17:13] accords uh recently, so there is also a
[00:17:17] connection here with other countries as well, and we've even seen the
[00:17:20] UN come in and condemn it and basically say there needs to be descalation, so the
[00:17:24] question is what happens next, what are we going to see from both parties
[00:17:28] and how we going to be able to step this down um so that it doesn't
[00:17:31] escalate, doesn't go - doesn't go beyond what is what has already
[00:17:35] happened, you know we've seen a couple of days ago as well, a drone which was shot down just
[00:17:39] outside of Mecca, so this is a conflict which needs to be
[00:17:43] deescalated and very quickly. all right, all
[00:17:46] right, well taken. so what do you think in our with the hoti's targeting, the Saudi
[00:17:50] cities, energy facilities, red sea shipping, how serious is this emerging
[00:17:54] threat to the regional and the global energy security, to the
[00:17:57] global sea lanes, it has started from state of Amos to the
[00:18:01] other states and now they are controlling the
[00:18:04] sealains as well, the choke points as well so... do you think about that? is it
[00:18:08] creating another aspect of warfare or another direction of
[00:18:12] warfare in the middle eastern countries? i think
[00:18:16] it's another direction. i think this this is directly an expansion
[00:18:20] the attack by the US that led to the Iranian
[00:18:23] situation. obviously the hoothis are
[00:18:27] very very well connected to him though iran says they do
[00:18:31] not uh supply them weapons. that is, but
[00:18:34] lied by the fact that they if you look at the weapons. use they have
[00:18:38] Iranian parts, so they're either allowing them
[00:18:41] or they're not being very careful either, marks the same thing given that it's
[00:18:45] Iran, I doubt that they are just exporting
[00:18:49] ammunition and
[00:18:51] weapons randomly,
[00:18:55] so this is not going to end unless
[00:18:59] Iran pulls back, and what's going
[00:19:01] to be necessary for that is Donald Trump to climb down from his
[00:19:05] demands that... "the Iranians give up all their
[00:19:09] nuclear materials, also the ballistic missiles, this is
[00:19:13] a non-starter, so we're in for a long ride,
[00:19:17] obviously if Iran does make some sort of
[00:19:21] peace, then they could rain in the
[00:19:24] hoothies who without their support, I doubt could continue this
[00:19:28] war, remain disrupted, so
[00:19:32] could the increased pressure on red sea route create additional vulnerability
[00:19:36] to the gulf?" " export as
[00:19:38] well, not so much the general golf
[00:19:42] oil, remember it's mainly the
[00:19:45] the Saudies who are able to have this
[00:19:49] pipeline and generally pumps about five million barrels a
[00:19:53] day, it can get up to seven million barrels a day, represents about
[00:19:56] 7% the world's oil
[00:20:00] use during a one
[00:20:01] day period uh, this does not cut them off if in
[00:20:05] fact their terminal there, is is is able to
[00:20:09] operate and be repaired obviously was damaged uh they can
[00:20:13] go out through the suez canal but the suez has
[00:20:16] sues max that's about million barrels uh per
[00:20:20] ship uh the others were the VLC's very large
[00:20:23] carriers they could carry two million and obviously they're not going to go
[00:20:27] through uh the areas controlled by the hoothies what is
[00:20:31] surprising here and I'm surprised you haven't mentioned
[00:20:33] it is that the United States appears to have made deal with
[00:20:38] the idea that you do not make deals with terrorists, guess is
[00:20:42] off the table, fact that the saudis have asked the united
[00:20:46] states to weigh in because that was the pact. was
[00:20:50] the basis of the oil petro
[00:20:53] dollar that Saudi Arabia would continue to
[00:20:57] buy weapons from the US and also use the dollar in exchange for
[00:21:01] protection. Obviously that protection is not forthcoming. It's
[00:21:05] understandable, Trump does not want to draw himself into an expanded
[00:21:09] war, although he started it, he may be concerned about
[00:21:13] the amount of munitions he has. This is going to have a
[00:21:17] global effect in terms of country. is deciding whether or
[00:21:21] not the United States is in fact reliable
[00:21:23] ally. well taken, well taken. so moving forward
[00:21:27] towards you Alex, what do you think, what does the first reported uh
[00:21:31] you know we have seen that direct threat to Riyadh
[00:21:35] since the latest Hothi's attack there? tell us about the
[00:21:39] geographical expansion as NR has mentioned
[00:21:43] that
[00:21:43] it is not the direction, it is the expansion of this war. this expansion tell
[00:21:47] us about the conflict, what is what is? "the reason behind
[00:21:51] that this conflict is moving towards another, I must see a direction or
[00:21:54] expansion which was not
[00:21:57] you know discussed before or it was not analysed
[00:22:00] before, well the conflict has
[00:22:04] been a longstanding one in Yemen, ever since
[00:22:08] the death the former president Ali Abdullah Salih who held the country
[00:22:12] together after the Arab spring, now the
[00:22:15] Huties of play their cards very well, um, they decided one"
[00:22:20] wanted to enter and how they wanted to engage. um,
[00:22:23] there are a lot of questions asked at the beginning as to when they
[00:22:26] would um take part in the
[00:22:29] war. um, they have chosen their
[00:22:32] timing, i think for maximum effect, and essentially
[00:22:36] what they want to see is, i think, unlike,
[00:22:40] with a way similar to around, they they want to find a deal
[00:22:44] which which gives them the most benefit um in terms
[00:22:48] their situation. in terms of legitimacy, in
[00:22:51] terms the expansion as well, which we've seen, um, towards Bab
[00:22:55] Mandib, so for them, it's essentially what can
[00:22:58] they get out of all the different parties um, to make
[00:23:02] them go back to the cease fire which was there in 2022,
[00:23:06] um, it's simple as that for the Hutis, I think you know, we
[00:23:10] we often play up the link between the Huthis and Iran, but I
[00:23:14] think you in terms of real politic, it's all about how they can
[00:23:18] benefit directly. so Alex, the UN security council has
[00:23:21] condemned the attack on the civilians and energy infrastructure there, what
[00:23:25] practical diplomatic mechanism can now prevent the further
[00:23:29] escalation, condamination is enough, what do you
[00:23:32] think? practically
[00:23:35] speaking, we we see lot of lot
[00:23:38] of edicts coming out the UN security council,
[00:23:42] lot of resolutions, but on the ground we've got to look at the actors who have the most
[00:23:46] influence from the hoothi side uh that is clearly
[00:23:50] they can influence to an extent, they have
[00:23:54] advisors, they supply them with with weapons as
[00:23:57] well, um, in terms of other players in the
[00:24:01] region, we have obviously the kingdom's agreement with
[00:24:05] with Pakistan and Turkey, how will that come into play, we don't know,
[00:24:08] Turkey does have military bases in the vicinity,
[00:24:12] but then also you've got other players on the global stage such as
[00:24:16] China are very keen to see the oil. supply
[00:24:20] stabilized towards Asia, so you there are different
[00:24:24] players, they're all effectively, trying to push in the one
[00:24:27] direction, and it is going to come down to what is
[00:24:31] going to be agreed between
[00:24:32] the different parties to to try and end this cycle of
[00:24:35] violence, the different powers including us have
[00:24:38] have tried, essentially waging
[00:24:42] war against the huties through areal campaigns, given the geography of
[00:24:46] northern Yemen, mountainous, it it's a... very very
[00:24:50] difficult to dislodge them, that's been tried for for years a
[00:24:53] time, i think there will be realization that we need to
[00:24:57] again do deal and ensure that we go back to a cease
[00:25:00] fire where the effective the oil can flow
[00:25:03] again, well taken well taken, so thank you so
[00:25:07] much alex for joining in views at seven interviews with us, we were joined by mr
[00:25:11] alex molf, he is the founder of narrative chambers and he has joined us from
[00:25:15] rad, we were discussing and unfolding different aspects of this middle
[00:25:19] eastern conf' so moving forward towards you in our uh what do you
[00:25:23] think when it comes to attacks or when it comes to protection so the
[00:25:27] are has already signed deals with the regional
[00:25:30] countries for its protection, but how can saudi arabia
[00:25:33] strengthen its air defense capacity while avoiding
[00:25:37] voiding to step in directly into conflict across the region and what
[00:25:40] role can the regional states, particularly pakistan, turkey, plane
[00:25:44] preventing the conflict in developing into a wider regional
[00:25:48] confrontation, what needs to be done in this regard by the mediators and what needs to be done in
[00:25:52] this regard by Saudi Arabia to protect itself, to do a preventive
[00:25:55] mayor, to secure its air defense
[00:25:59] mechanism. I'll go back to my... this
[00:26:02] answer, you're looking at the wrong end the horse, until
[00:26:06] Iran the Iranian situation is solved, there's really no
[00:26:10] help hope of pulling the hoothis off, they are
[00:26:14] now in boldened, they are holding the world hostage,
[00:26:18] they have an extreme ideology, and they're insisting, they're
[00:26:22] not going to insist on just a little bit, they're going to be insisting on
[00:26:26] more than just the seasfire, I have to disagree with my colleague on
[00:26:29] that, they are bound in term. to spread their
[00:26:33] ideology, which they believe is the only one, it's an expansive
[00:26:37] one, they believe that this is the only ideology for all
[00:26:40] the arabs in the middle east, they're not, not arabs,
[00:26:44] mean that is the only religion for all
[00:26:48] muslims, so it's going to be very, very hard to reign them even
[00:26:52] once the situation with Iran is
[00:26:55] solved, assuming that can be done in
[00:26:59] the next two and a half years, it's not clear. having
[00:27:03] tasted this kind of victory and seen
[00:27:07] the successes of what they've done,
[00:27:09] that they will be easily brought back.
[00:27:13] okay, okay, well taken, well taken, stay with us, in our moving forward
[00:27:17] towards another expert to talk about this issue, we are joined by Mr. Kara
[00:27:21] Hussen who is a non-resident fellow at middle east and North
[00:27:25] Africa program, the Stimson center, he has joined us from Brussels,
[00:27:29] Mr. Cavasan, welcome to program use at7, considering
[00:27:31] the current situation. to avoid the expansion of this middle eastern
[00:27:35] conflict, what do you think that what role the mediators could play,
[00:27:39] especially the mediators like Pakistan, mediators like Turkey who
[00:27:43] are not directly involved in it, but trying their heart to resolve the issue
[00:27:47] when it initiated in middle east between US and Iran, but
[00:27:51] what needs to be done in this regard, because it's not about
[00:27:54] the two countries who are involved, it is the multiple countries, it expanded to the
[00:27:58] Middle Eastern countries where US military installations were
[00:28:02] uh and then we have seen that how Lebanon
[00:28:06] or Yemen or Saudi Arabia is dragged into
[00:28:09] this conflict, it means that all the you
[00:28:13] know borders or all the sea lanes are just one
[00:28:17] way or other in in this conflict, what needs to be done in this regard by
[00:28:21] the
[00:28:21] mediators?
[00:28:40] meanwhile, i'll i'll toss this question to enar tan, what do
[00:28:43] you think anar? as i have already asked you about the role of mediators, but what needs to
[00:28:47] be done or what is the responsibility the regional countries who are
[00:28:50] not directly involved yet in this
[00:28:53] conflict, because it is not about the conflict the countries
[00:28:57] the middle eastern countries, but it is about the governance of sea lanes
[00:29:01] and more and more sea lanes are being involved in it, what do you think, what
[00:29:05] needs to be done in this regard when it comes to the international community, when it comes to the
[00:29:09] international law, when it comes to the international courts to jump in to
[00:29:13] discuss about the governance of sea lanes, because it cannot be controlled by one
[00:29:17] party or one non-state actor or why two or three parties, what needs
[00:29:21] to be done? you keep asking what needs
[00:29:25] to be done, but the question is is there anything that can be done?
[00:29:28] remember the sudis did not attack around the...
[00:29:32] actually had negotiated a somewhat tenuous peace or at least a
[00:29:36] stansal agreement that was pushed along by
[00:29:40] China.
[00:29:41] the hoothis attacking the saudis and making them the center of this when it's the United
[00:29:45] States that started the action in Iran is an
[00:29:49] expansion. so talking about this in terms
[00:29:52] of until you talk about this in terms of how you end the
[00:29:56] Iranian thought you can't do anything in terms the
[00:29:59] negotiate negotiations or mediat. whatever you want to call
[00:30:03] them, the fact is there was something called the mecca courts,
[00:30:07] which you referenced, that said, attack on one country is
[00:30:11] attack on three countries, and right now what we hear
[00:30:15] is that there are some noises coming from Turkey saying
[00:30:18] that, we as you point out they have bases there, maybe they
[00:30:22] will take some action. pakistan is retreated back to this idea that
[00:30:26] it will be mediator, and you're expressing that very
[00:30:29] clearly, but that is at odds. the mecca
[00:30:33] accords, so right now
[00:30:36] it is not, i agree, it does not make sense for pakistan
[00:30:39] or anybody else, turkey etc. to
[00:30:43] wait in militarily, all you do is have lot of body
[00:30:46] bags, but collectively with the other
[00:30:49] countries around there, there could be imposed some
[00:30:53] sort of embargo where you basically cut
[00:30:56] off their supplies.