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[00:00:08] You're watching Pakistan TV, this is Muhammad Abdullah Dar, let's
[00:00:11] of have
[00:00:15] of
[00:00:15] top stories.
[00:00:26] of At least 12 people have been killed and 309 others wounded.
[00:00:30] in attack on king Khalid international airport in
[00:00:35] a
[00:00:36] of Riyadh.
[00:00:40] US President Donald Trump says he will soon decide
[00:00:42] of whether to join Saudi strikes against the hoothies following attack on Riyaz
[00:00:45] of International Airport, adding that Washington has just learned
[00:00:52] a of the incident and will make decision quickly.
[00:00:57] of Several thousand pro Palestinian protesters. march through central London
[00:01:01] and Berlin calling for an end to Israeli strikes on khaza.
[00:01:04] Marches carry placards reading and the genocide in free
[00:01:07] Palestine.
[00:01:12] of This president Donald Trump urges Ukraine to replace President
[00:01:16] Zelinsky with new leader with
[00:01:17] of criticizing him over strikes on Russian oil refineries that contribute to high
[00:01:21] diesel prices before the
[00:01:22] election.
[00:01:28] President Zartari, Prime Minister
[00:01:29] of Shash. we discussed political and security situation agree
[00:01:32] of to conveen national assembly sunday sessions on October
[00:01:35] 13th
[00:02:01] of
[00:02:01] of
[00:02:11] Those of are the headlines and now for the news in details: US President Donald Trump urge
[00:02:14] Ukraine to replace Zelinsky with new leader lashing out at him for strikes on
[00:02:18] Russian oil refineries that have contributed to pre-election high diesel
[00:02:21] prices.
[00:02:22] a Trump told reporters at the white house that he had told Zelensky that Ukraine
[00:02:26] could take action against Russia but should avoid targeting refinery.
[00:02:31] I look
[00:02:32] of at it differently,
[00:02:32] of Zelinsky could have settled this war many
[00:02:34] in times, in many, many times and he cho, he
[00:02:38] chooses not to, very difficult, it's a war
[00:02:42] that should have never been started, if I were
[00:02:45] of president, if the
[00:02:45] of election weren't rigged, I would have been president and that war would have never
[00:02:49] started, but he could have settled it many times and he chose not
[00:02:52] to, we said you can do whatever you
[00:02:54] of want of of to Russia, don't
[00:02:55] of hit the refineries because that's a world problem that's
[00:02:59] of caused. and he wants to
[00:03:01] in make problems for the world, he wants to make problems
[00:03:03] of for our farmers, our ranchers with
[00:03:06] of of diesel fuel, because Russia supplies a large portion
[00:03:10] of the diesel fuel throughout the world, and we told them, do whatever
[00:03:14] you want, but don't hit the diesel fuel, because there's a big
[00:03:17] problem, and what does he do? he goes and hits the diesel
[00:03:21] fuel, he can do whatever he wants, but you can't do that,
[00:03:24] because we have a world problem, and the problem is
[00:03:28] caused by the lack. of refineries
[00:03:30] of for diesel fuel, so what does he do? he goes and hits
[00:03:33] refineries, and i said to him, do what you want, don't hit
[00:03:37] refineries, there's plenty of targets, don't hit refined, and he went out
[00:03:41] and he hit, and he's not going to affect our farmers and he's not going to
[00:03:45] in affect our ranchers
[00:03:46] of and he's not going to affect the rest
[00:03:48] of the world, so we he better damn well
[00:03:51] stop, and you know what i suggest, suggest they get
[00:03:55] new leader who can make deal, because he could have made
[00:03:59] many. and for some reason he never does, and let me go a step
[00:04:02] further, if I were president, you wouldn't have ever had that
[00:04:06] of war, of that of war would have never started, there was no
[00:04:09] a reason that that war with Ukraine and Russia started, it
[00:04:13] started due to incompetence to never started, you wouldn't
[00:04:17] have lost 30% of your country already, you've lost
[00:04:21] 30% of your country and you've had over
[00:04:24] million people killed, between the two
[00:04:27] of them, over two million people killed, that should have never
[00:04:31] of started, and I think it's time for Ukraine
[00:04:33] me to get new president. President and Prime
[00:04:37] Minister
[00:04:37] Shaz Sharif held the meeting
[00:04:38] of a
[00:04:41] of Sadar in Islama about to discuss the country's overall political and security situation. The meeting was attended by deputy prime
[00:04:45] minister and information minister
[00:04:48] mother interior ministeri,
[00:04:50] law minister, advisor on political affairs Rana sana, attorney
[00:04:54] general Mansor Usman Avan and Federal Minister Essen Chima
[00:04:58] among other officials. Senator Sher Rahman Sayad Navid
[00:05:02] Khamar senator Salim Mandviwala and Dr.
[00:05:05] Asim assisted the president during the meeting. The participants agreed to conven
[00:05:09] separate sessions on the national assembly and senate on Tuesday. October the
[00:05:12] 13th
[00:06:02] in the first segment we are going to try to understand the European Union
[00:06:05] policy towards Israel amid the atrocities and the
[00:06:09] brutalities which has been perpetrated by Israel's raging. and its
[00:06:13] illegal occupation forces in Gaza in
[00:06:16] particular, in the second segment we are going to understand
[00:06:20] regarding the situation generally over there
[00:06:24] in the middle east when it comes to the US Iran conflict, there is a hint by
[00:06:27] US president Donald Trump of halting the direct strikes against
[00:06:31] Iran until after the midterm elections
[00:06:34] in November, also when we talk about
[00:06:38] the increase and attacks by Huti against Saudi Arabia.
[00:06:43] and also the commitment the regional defense packed
[00:06:47] countries including Turkey and Pakistan for the sovereignty territorial
[00:06:50] integrity and the overall security the kingdom of Saudi
[00:06:54] Arabia, we are going to take the understanding regarding as to what
[00:06:58] is unfolding at the moment in the middle east
[00:07:01] generally on those particular fronts in the second segment of
[00:07:05] today's show.
[00:07:09] we specifically talk about the European Union. know for
[00:07:12] fact that it claims to be the champion of human rights, the international
[00:07:16] law and the democratic values, but when
[00:07:20] we specifically talk about the European Union's collective
[00:07:24] policy towards Israel, especially after the kind
[00:07:28] of situation that is unfolded since 8th of October
[00:07:32] 2023, the relentless bombardment as result of
[00:07:36] which more than 7500 innocent Palestinians have
[00:07:39] lost their lives in Gaza. at the same
[00:07:43] time there is case the rapidly expanding
[00:07:47] illegal settlements in the west bank also
[00:07:51] there there are certain questions that are
[00:07:55] being raised when it comes to the collective policy the European Union
[00:07:59] towards as well with these
[00:08:02] policies also we know for there is a survey report that talks
[00:08:06] about how many percentage of people when it comes
[00:08:09] to the two major European countries including
[00:08:12] Germany and Italy, there is a considerable percentage the
[00:08:16] people that are talking against
[00:08:19] Israel, they've got the negative opinion about Israeli
[00:08:23] policies in the occupied Palestinian
[00:08:27] territories, at the same time we've also
[00:08:30] seen that more than
[00:08:34] former officials from the European Union, including the
[00:08:37] diplomats, they have accused Germany and
[00:08:41] Italy of block. the meaningful action
[00:08:44] against Israel on the other side we see there are certain moves
[00:08:48] that are made by Britain, France as well as Canada when it comes
[00:08:52] to putting the restrictions regarding the trade related to
[00:08:56] illegal settlements in as well, so do we
[00:09:00] understand that there is lack of
[00:09:03] unanimity and unity among the European Union countries when it
[00:09:07] comes to its policy towards Israel and
[00:09:11] israel high-handedness,
[00:09:13] its bombardment against the
[00:09:17] innocent people in Gaza, the kind of damage and destruction there
[00:09:20] has been accuwed as result of that. Also we know for fact there is
[00:09:24] a diet humanitarian crisis that is unfolding
[00:09:28] in Gaza's enclave, also will try to
[00:09:32] understand or is this the evidence of
[00:09:35] diminishing European Union
[00:09:38] influence all across because of its double standards.
[00:09:42] or these the double standards will try to understand it
[00:10:13] you give us an understanding, do we understand that
[00:10:17] Europe generally remains divided at this point in
[00:10:20] time as we speak, there are more than 500 officials from the...
[00:10:25] European Union former officials, including the diplomats that
[00:10:29] have accused Germany and Italy of blocking the meaningful action
[00:10:33] when it comes to Israeli policies in Gaza. On the other
[00:10:36] hand, we we've seen some moves happening on the part of
[00:10:39] Britain, France as well as Canada when it comes to
[00:10:43] the trade related to illegal settlements, do we understand the Europe remains
[00:10:47] divided at this moment and what are the core
[00:10:51] reasons for that division among the European Union members?
[00:10:56] Well, I think so far, the only government of
[00:11:00] Europe which has taken a courageous stand given
[00:11:04] the environment, supporting the Palestinians,
[00:11:08] is the Spanish government of Sanchez,
[00:11:12] so I have said that they have uphold the honor of Europe, because
[00:11:16] otherwise it is only opposition groups in the different countries who
[00:11:20] have come out for the rights the Palestinians,
[00:11:24] I think the reason... and
[00:11:28] complicated, I think one big factor for sure to
[00:11:31] explain the the discrepancy
[00:11:35] between what the people the countries want and what the
[00:11:38] governments are actually doing, if you have to look at the
[00:11:42] United States, because the United States obviously,
[00:11:46] especially with the present Trump administration is
[00:11:49] closely allied with
[00:11:52] Israel, and therefore the influence the...
[00:11:55] atlanticists in the European governments is one
[00:11:58] big cause, it is just politically
[00:12:01] opportune, to to be on the side of
[00:12:04] Israel, the defense of Israel, no matter what
[00:12:07] they do,
[00:12:09] is being regarded as the defense the
[00:12:13] rules based order, even nobody believes that that rules based order ever
[00:12:17] existed, but for sure not now anymore, so I think
[00:12:21] it is in large part the effort, but
[00:12:25] some these governments to uphold some order which
[00:12:29] no longer exists and you know they they care not at all
[00:12:33] about what happens
[00:12:34] to the palestinians, it's more about like if you look at the
[00:12:38] reaction to the peace Nobel Prize being given to the
[00:12:42] South African jurist Mrs. Peil, the
[00:12:45] European Union applauded it, but for
[00:12:49] sure they only applaud to her record of defender of
[00:12:53] human rights, but they... do not necessarily include in that the
[00:12:57] ruling the ICC, which named
[00:13:00] Netanyahu and and some other Israeli officials as
[00:13:04] war criminals and and and alike, so I think it's
[00:13:08] a, I think it's a very double
[00:13:11] faced reaction coming from the
[00:13:26] issue, sara, coming to you, when when we specifically talk
[00:13:29] about the pattern the European countries in
[00:13:33] particular regard to the upholding human rights,
[00:13:37] international law and the democratic norms, there are
[00:13:41] presidents, historic presidents when we talk about
[00:13:44] how Europe generally reacts to
[00:13:48] an approach and strategy of this sort, if that happens,
[00:13:52] why in your understanding? Israel gets a
[00:13:56] different sort of a treatment despite its atrocities, it has
[00:14:00] been perpetating in Gaza, the expansion of
[00:14:03] illegal settlements over there in the occupied West Bank. Also, we also
[00:14:07] know for fact there is an advisory opinion on the part
[00:14:11] the International Court of Justice for moment, keeping ICC
[00:14:27] back to the European stance on the Israeli practices, actually the
[00:14:31] Israeli practicing practices in on on Gaza
[00:14:35] and now in the west bank, let's not forget the
[00:14:38] israely practices in the west bank now is actually
[00:14:42] juperadizing everything that the EU
[00:14:45] as as a block has ever and
[00:14:49] always stood for, because the EU has always been seen as the
[00:14:53] human rights help. in in in the center the
[00:14:56] world, well let tell you that there is
[00:15:00] also another part, another
[00:15:04] legal part that prohibits
[00:15:08] or maybe holds the EU from action
[00:15:11] against Israel, even though we know that the members
[00:15:15] have different stances, this has lot of reasons
[00:15:18] because different EU members, European
[00:15:22] countries within the EU block have... different
[00:15:25] strategic interests and trade interests with
[00:15:29] Israel and as your honorable guest mentioned as
[00:15:33] well new in in in your report that yes
[00:15:37] we have EU members who have managed to take
[00:15:40] stances against Israel with their diplomatic weight,
[00:15:44] diplomatic power, economic power, because the EU doesn't
[00:15:47] lack any these, what it really lacks is the
[00:15:51] unanimity, like you mentioned, but the
[00:15:54] popular or the public pressure
[00:15:58] a lot of EU members has has been
[00:16:02] translated into parliamentary scrutiny and this is
[00:16:05] why we have seen lot of movement,
[00:16:09] yes the EU has taken movement, but it lacks, it
[00:16:13] lacks the the the way of imposing the
[00:16:17] measures, for instance, article two the
[00:16:20] association agreement between the EU as a block and Israel has
[00:16:24] been provoked in early 2025,
[00:16:28] and yes, the EU as a block has
[00:16:31] agreed that Israel's praxis or Israel's
[00:16:35] settlement. expansion is is
[00:16:39] put into question according to the human rights articles that they
[00:16:43] have agreed upon into the association, so yes the EU wants
[00:16:47] to do something, even though we do have the politics of
[00:16:50] historical responsibility within the case of
[00:16:53] Germany and within the EU institutions Germany
[00:16:57] alone is is is is is capable of
[00:17:01] blocking any measures that
[00:17:05] might be translated into more consequence
[00:17:08] to somehow contain Israel's
[00:17:12] breaches, huge violations of human rights, which is
[00:17:16] japadizing EU stances on human
[00:17:19] rights, actually Israel is putting
[00:17:22] every western country that has ever taken their
[00:17:26] back now into a very
[00:17:30] crucial situation, like no one can ever
[00:17:34] talk about human rights now with all the Israeli pr. except of
[00:17:38] course for the US government, so how
[00:17:42] come we are facing this humanitarian
[00:17:45] crisis in Gaza and the west bank,
[00:17:48] and we don't see action from the EU, part
[00:17:52] is legal, and the other part is, of
[00:17:55] course, the EU is also in
[00:17:59] conflict with the US and its power and its
[00:18:03] alliance with Israel, and there is stands
[00:18:06] on the... strategies with the EU, so the
[00:18:10] EU now is actually a a position
[00:18:13] where it cannot do
[00:18:17] more than that against Israel for the lack of
[00:18:29] upon very important points, I'll come back to you, please stay with us, Miss Larush,
[00:18:32] when we try to compare the moves on the part
[00:18:36] the two for... for example when you talk about in the case of
[00:18:39] Britain, France and Canada, move regarding putting
[00:18:43] restrictions on the trade which is related to
[00:18:47] illegal settlements, especially when we talk about the
[00:18:51] occupied West Bank, now do we understand, they
[00:18:54] do have a concern when it comes to the West Bank
[00:18:58] alone, and what about their understanding and
[00:19:02] approach towards what has been done by
[00:19:06] Israel in Gaza? particular over the last more than three
[00:19:09] years, firstly that I want your comparison
[00:19:13] differentiate between their understanding and their concern when it comes to the what is
[00:19:17] going on in the west bank as compared to in Gaza. Also keeping
[00:19:21] in view this move, do you think both
[00:19:24] Germany and Italy which have been accused by more than
[00:19:28] 500 former officials including the diplomats could
[00:19:32] be also coming up with any move of that
[00:19:36] sort and if not, what is exactly the stumbling
[00:19:40] block when it comes to the German internal politics and
[00:19:43] Italian internal politics? does
[00:19:47] this has it to deal anything
[00:19:50] with the internal politics or the larger national strategic
[00:19:54] interest towards as
[00:19:56] well? well concerning
[00:19:59] the first of your questions, i think there
[00:20:02] is lot of shared
[00:20:06] because you now the the behavior of
[00:20:10] Israel in the west bank uh was is
[00:20:14] about to repeat what they did in Gaza, so
[00:20:17] maybe the the three countries you mentioned want to keep up
[00:20:21] an appearance, that they uphold
[00:20:25] a shadow of international human
[00:20:29] rights and and international law, I don't think it's very
[00:20:32] convincing, because the practically the entire
[00:20:36] international... community has done very
[00:20:40] little, some even nothing at all, to
[00:20:43] stop something which correctly was called by the ICC
[00:20:47] a genocide, and the... "the specific
[00:20:51] German situation naturally, you now, I mean, obviously
[00:20:55] Germany has the guilt of having
[00:20:58] committed the original genocide,
[00:21:01] but
[00:21:02] that does not mean that you would give a green light to everything
[00:21:06] the Israeli government does when they are trying sort of
[00:21:10] echo what the Germans did to the Jews, so I
[00:21:14] think it's a the whole thing is is
[00:21:16] completely,
[00:21:18] you know, I think it discredits." the European countries,
[00:21:22] including Canada
[00:21:23] for that matter, I think in the eyes the whole
[00:21:26] world, the behavior of Europe is a complete
[00:21:30] shame, and I know from many discussions with
[00:21:34] representatives of countries the global south, that the
[00:21:38] reputation of Europe has suffered tremendously
[00:21:42] as result of all of
[00:21:48] curious to understand what takes. Generally the
[00:21:51] precedence, the popular public opinion as
[00:21:55] in this case we know for fact there is a service that reports
[00:21:58] unfavor favorable opinion of 75% in
[00:22:02] Italy and 73% in
[00:22:05] Germany, which the two takes precedence
[00:22:09] when it comes to chalking out such a
[00:22:12] policy, when it comes to specifically Germany and
[00:22:16] Italy, when there is such a considerable percentage that gives the next
[00:22:20] opinion a certain issue as compared to the strategic interest
[00:22:24] of that country with another one, well what you see in that
[00:22:28] particular incident, which you can also see concerning
[00:22:32] different topics, these European governments, not so
[00:22:36] much Miloni, but the German government
[00:22:38] and the French and the British government, the
[00:22:41] supports are down to 10 to
[00:22:45] 20% the support the voters, so the
[00:22:49] overwhelming majority of people do not approve what these
[00:22:52] governments do, however that does not at all have
[00:22:56] influence on the behavior the governments, it's sort of that they could not
[00:23:00] care less, and that shows you that is
[00:23:04] why, for example, right now you have in the streets of
[00:23:08] seven European countries, hundreds of thousands of
[00:23:11] people, especially young people, but also
[00:23:15] farmers, truckers and and and trade unionists, but
[00:23:19] especially young people. have taken back to the streets
[00:23:22] and the issues are on the one side naturally the economic
[00:23:26] condition, the condition of education, but mixed in all of
[00:23:30] that is total disapprovement, disapproval over
[00:23:34] the treatment the palestinians and i think this is
[00:23:37] like
[00:23:41] absessound in the
[00:23:44] European political situation
[00:23:47] which something which can break out. any moment a
[00:23:51] much more uh violent way with what we can see in
[00:23:55] France right now uh you know so people are talking about the
[00:23:59] repetition of 68 you now, but
[00:24:03] the content is this time much more moral,
[00:24:05] it is not about sexual freedom or something else
[00:24:09] which the 68 movement was known for,
[00:24:13] but it is on more fundamental issues that people have a
[00:24:17] sense that the governments are not respecting. 'the will
[00:24:20] the people, and the issue on Palestine is
[00:24:24] is one very crucial element of that, but you have seen it
[00:24:28] in the last two years that the governments both in the United States and in
[00:24:32] Europe have taken extremely repressive
[00:24:36] measures against the students which were demonstrating,
[00:24:39] accusing them of antisemitism, which
[00:24:43] you know, I'm not excluding that here and there there may have been a case where
[00:24:47] somebody was anti-semitic, but in general'. "It is not
[00:24:50] anti-semitism if you oppose the policy the government of
[00:24:54] Israel and you defend the life the Palestinians for being
[00:24:58] slaughtered, so this argument of
[00:25:01] antisemitism, in my view, in my
[00:25:05] experience, is being instrumentalized, to to
[00:25:09] basically you keep control, because if you accuse Germans
[00:25:12] of being anti-semitic natural, you have the entire
[00:25:16] historical guilt, and
[00:25:18] you can immediately." any kind of discretion, but
[00:25:22] in reality
[00:25:23] it is instrument to suppress the the
[00:25:27] justified protest the people, especially young people and
[00:25:30] students against what Israel does against the
[00:25:41] when we talk about these more than 500 former
[00:25:44] European officials including the diplomats, I want your
[00:25:48] understanding, do we Take it as a scathing
[00:25:52] censure when it comes to the general policies of Germany and Italy
[00:25:55] towards Israel after
[00:25:57] what is it has done in the occupied Palestinian territories over the last many years
[00:26:01] is concerned. also with the mounting public pressure, with the percentages that I have
[00:26:05] already mentioned both in Germany and Italy, do you
[00:26:09] think it's going to mountain ample pressure when it comes
[00:26:12] to formulating or chalking out new perhaps a new
[00:26:16] strategy towards Israel is concerned of both these countries
[00:26:19] or in the if that doesn't happen to be the
[00:26:23] case that's going to affect
[00:26:27] the ruling parties within both these countries in the
[00:26:30] electoral politics in the...
[00:26:34] well actually pressure has been a
[00:26:37] critical factor in
[00:26:41] in in in the recent events in relation to
[00:26:45] gaza and Israel's praxis especially in
[00:26:48] Europe. okay, first Europe has always been
[00:26:52] geographically close to our region, that's one thing.
[00:26:55] second, europe itself has faced a lot
[00:26:59] of wars, humanitarian.
[00:27:02] crisis, lot of European
[00:27:06] problems have been actually sorted
[00:27:10] out by self-determination, so there are
[00:27:14] we have now 15 EU member states that
[00:27:17] recognizes Palestine, well more
[00:27:20] pressure, more EU, I would say more EU pressure
[00:27:24] on Germany and
[00:27:26] Italy in the time being
[00:27:30] um would be tested. This is one thing, we will see
[00:27:34] if politics and human rights and every
[00:27:38] stands the EU as a block would now
[00:27:41] succeed to represent itself on
[00:27:44] itself, it representing here the the
[00:27:48] German government and the Italian one,
[00:27:51] okay, so I think more EU, EU
[00:27:54] pressure, okay, for the future of
[00:27:58] EU principles and values and one huge.
[00:28:02] principle and value the EU is human rights, so
[00:28:06] the EU as a unified block cannot
[00:28:10] agree on the imposing the
[00:28:13] right measures to hold Israel from its
[00:28:17] practices, okay, that's like of unanimity, the EU is not
[00:28:21] a unitary state, okay, we understand
[00:28:24] that, we do really appreciate
[00:28:28] the, if we can say it, the unilateral movements
[00:28:32] from some European countries like Spain, France,
[00:28:35] recognizing Palestine for France is huge step, we have seen it
[00:28:39] here in the in the region as a huge step, we have got to Europe on
[00:28:43] our side in the Palestinian case, well
[00:28:47] maybe more EU pressure and maybe
[00:28:51] more reshaping the principles the EU,
[00:28:54] especially with the rise of the right the
[00:28:58] right movements
[00:29:03] Larush would be specific to, you already referred to the policy of Spain,
[00:29:07] now Spain and Ireland have pushed for the review the EU as well
[00:29:10] association agreements, human rights obligations,
[00:29:14] do we understand it's going to considerably put a pressure when it comes to the
[00:29:18] preferential trade
[00:29:19] arrangements? yes, I
[00:29:23] think so, I think that the Spanish
[00:29:27] position, as I already said, in my view is the only
[00:29:30] one which up. any standard of
[00:29:34] international law, and I think a lot will really
[00:29:38] depend on on the future
[00:29:40] mobilizations, like the 500
[00:29:43] diplomats, and I think we we are
[00:29:47] a crisis, I mean
[00:29:49] I think what what contains this particular question of
[00:29:53] Israel, Palestine, the general
[00:29:57] side,
[00:29:58] it is taking place in the context that the entire..."
[00:30:02] international law is questioned, mean if
[00:30:06] the president the united states says he does not need international
[00:30:09] law, if you know the
[00:30:12] entire body
[00:30:15] of of law is not being uphold, you can make sanctions against the
[00:30:18] ICC for ruling on something which is absolutely
[00:30:22] in their duty and and obligation to rule, we are
[00:30:26] looking a lawless situation, and i think that
[00:30:30] is why i have been arguing. for the last several
[00:30:33] years that we urgently need a new international security
[00:30:37] architecture, because international law and
[00:30:41] the the order, as it emerged after the end the cold
[00:30:45] war, where there was an attempt to establish an
[00:30:47] unilateral dominance of certain
[00:30:51] countries, that clearly is falling apart,
[00:30:55] if you look at the so-called middle east, southwest Asia, the
[00:30:58] entire security.