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[00:00:00] embassy has come forward [00:00:01] of and said one of its citizens who was [00:00:05] in [00:00:05] a that deadly blast yesterday has now succumbed to injuries [00:00:09] and lost his life, so that puts the death toll of [00:00:13] yesterday's attack up to 13, and it's been a [00:00:17] really tragic day in Saudi yesterday, we [00:00:20] of lost a four Saudi citizens were killed a [00:00:23] US citizen was killed along with many other [00:00:27] nationalities in that blast that happened. but today, as the [00:00:31] aviation authority is saying, they did [00:00:34] of intercept the cruise missile. right now, at the moment, [00:00:38] damages being assessed at the airport, operations at the [00:00:41] airport are not um are are [00:00:45] ceased right now, so as we know that if you want to take [00:00:49] a flight out of [00:00:50] of riad, the best thing to do is contact your airline, also [00:00:54] check in with the government and with your embassy and um of [00:00:58] course see what's happening. and on Thursday three people were also [00:01:02] killed in a strike on the airport, so [00:01:06] right now we are also seeing that there's been a real [00:01:10] of escalation and we have had our reporters and teams at the [00:01:16] of of hospital today inside of Riad along with the Saudi health minister visiting the [00:01:19] victims from yesterday's airport [00:01:24] of of blast and um seeing the extent of the injuries. okay so Lee we [00:01:27] do understand there is... a statement on the part [00:01:31] of the Saudi Lad coalition in response to this attack, [00:01:35] especially on this airport, we we see pattern that has [00:01:38] developed on the part [00:01:40] of the huties when it comes to striking the critical [00:01:43] infrastructure, whether it be [00:01:46] the infrastructure related to [00:01:49] of oil, whether it comes to the airports clearly [00:01:53] happen to be [00:01:54] of the civilian [00:01:55] of interest [00:01:56] of now, given that fact the the Saudi Coalition has [00:02:00] spleged decisive response and [00:02:03] described this action as a full fledged war [00:02:07] crime, what could be the manifestation of that? [00:02:11] of first of all, and secondly, when we talk about the security of such [00:02:15] civilian infrastructure, including the [00:02:18] airports, infrastructure related to [00:02:21] oil, [00:02:23] of what what [00:02:24] are the preparation levels when it comes [00:02:26] of to think such type of? acts on [00:02:30] the part [00:02:32] of of [00:02:34] of just to reiterate, it's been a really sad moment in [00:02:38] Riad over the last few days as the Houtis escalate [00:02:42] attacks on civilian infrastructure, people are [00:02:45] losing their lives, [00:02:47] of Riad is continuing as normal to some extent, it's [00:02:51] of conference and event season, so we do see those go ahead, but the [00:02:55] Saudi Lad coalition, as you said has condemned yesterday's [00:02:59] attack and they've called it a fully fledged war crime and it's [00:03:03] on civilian infrastructure. right now there is going to [00:03:07] of be decisive response. what that decisive response looks like [00:03:11] is not clear at the moment. there are of course [00:03:14] some options available to Saudi Arabia. they are [00:03:18] backing Yemen's [00:03:20] of international government at the moment in its fight against the hoothis inside of [00:03:24] Yemen. back on Monday, we saw the [00:03:27] in alien um the three countries Turkey. Pakistan and Saudi [00:03:31] Arabia who are part [00:03:32] of the Mecca Defense Alliance, they all met each [00:03:36] other, there was an [00:03:37] a emergency of meeting, they agreed to activate that pact, so [00:03:41] right now we're just seeing wheels get into motion when it comes into [00:03:45] that, but also we have a look inside of Yemen, we have [00:03:48] seen the Yemeni government [00:03:50] of forces and the Saudi coalition retake some of that [00:03:54] critical area that the Hutis managed to [00:03:58] a overcome last. so we've seen them retake [00:04:02] babalmendeb straight, of course, mocka on [00:04:04] of the red sea, which is really important because we must remember [00:04:08] the baba mendeb straight is vital when it comes to [00:04:12] oil transit, when it comes to shipping, it's one [00:04:15] of the major toak points and as we know Iran is also trying [00:04:19] to choke off the straight of homos at the moment, and what's interesting [00:04:23] is [00:04:23] of if you have look at the geography [00:04:25] of the Babal Mendeb straight, it's very flat, so um... [00:04:30] Saudi led coalition and the dawn of Yemen managed to make gains [00:04:34] along there, [00:04:37] of right, right, Mark coming back to you, Lee, please stay with us, [00:04:40] Mark, when we talk about the civilian [00:04:43] of infrastructure in particular, what could be the ideal options with the [00:04:47] kingdom right now, in order to defend those, in order to [00:04:51] ensure the safety [00:04:52] of and of security [00:04:52] of the critical civilian infrastructure such as the [00:04:56] airports and the oil related infrastructure. [00:05:02] Let me uh echo my uh fellow guest panelist comments, it's a sad [00:05:05] day uh when any civilians are harmed uh in armed [00:05:09] a conflict, and I would argue this isn't just armed conflict. "it's a terrorist [00:05:13] attack uh that has now caused uh 13 deaths as she's [00:05:16] reporting uh in Saudi Arabia, including one US [00:05:19] individual. unfortunately Saudi Arabia is facing what many countries [00:05:23] are right now, not just in the Gulf, but obviously Ukraine for instance as [00:05:27] well, where the simply are not enough air defense assets to protect [00:05:31] everything uh, and from a military standpoint and from [00:05:34] economic standpoint, Saudi Arabia is trying to protect its [00:05:38] military assets as well as its oil pipeline, which is its revenue for" [00:05:42] survival uh that's so critical, especially that east-west [00:05:45] pipeline uh, because uh without it as well as without [00:05:49] pre-shipping uh through the red sea via the babal men dead straight as [00:05:53] well uh Saudi Arabia has been forced to be routing tankers through [00:05:56] the cape of good hope uh down around the Horn of [00:06:00] Africa uh so [00:06:01] you know that's not good i i don't know that there [00:06:04] are any immediate uh answers to it because there's such a high [00:06:07] demand for air defense assets at this point in time i know [00:06:11] Pakistan itself is supplied your defense assets, and you've got [00:06:15] 800 troops from past you, military [00:06:18] agreements on the ground inside of of Saudi [00:06:22] Arabia to try to protect the kingdom, but it's going to take more, and there's just a [00:06:26] shortage these type of interceptors, because I don't think the hoothies are going to [00:06:30] stop, they have to fight aasymmetrical war against Saudi [00:06:33] Arabia, and they can't likely make a big impact on military [00:06:37] installations uh in the kingdom, but they can [00:06:40] you know do these heinous type attacks. as your own Pakistani prime [00:06:44] minister Shaz said, they can commit these quote unquote heinous attacks [00:06:48] against civilian sites and I think they'll continue to do that. I think the best [00:06:52] defense sadly in this case is for Saudi Arab to go on the [00:06:55] offense and to use its american partners as quickly as they can [00:06:59] uh to take the fight to the hoothies and not wait um take the as we [00:07:03] like to say in military analysis take the archer out the person [00:07:07] firing these missiles [00:07:08] uh don't try to intercept the missiles each time because that archer has many. [00:07:12] missiles uh that you can deny him use of if you take him [00:07:16] out right, [00:07:18] now president Donald Trump was asked whether there could be [00:07:22] a possibility the US involvement militarily, he responded by [00:07:26] saying we may, now this response how is [00:07:30] being it has been received in Saudi Arabia and [00:07:34] what are the expectations the Saudies when it comes to the US [00:07:38] in this regard? I just want to reflect [00:07:41] something, the panelist said just before me when it comes to [00:07:45] protecting civilian infrastructure, just from what I'm hearing [00:07:49] from the ground and what I'm aware of is yesterday [00:07:52] there were several missiles fired towards the airport [00:07:57] a rapid rate and um it's very difficult I think you [00:08:00] know [00:08:01] as you did say redeploying um these patriot [00:08:05] missile systems to certain areas - because um [00:08:09] Saudi Arabia is absolutely vast um as your panelists. would [00:08:12] say and also just the volume of attacks [00:08:16] has um been something which has surprised many, especially [00:08:20] someone who lives here like um myself, but yes we [00:08:24] did hear from president Donald Trump, of course no definitive [00:08:28] answer from President Donald Trump, he said he might he [00:08:32] might not, so we haven't actually got a decision yet [00:08:35] from the US, so we're still waiting on that decision, of [00:08:39] course Marco Rubio to also condemned. what had [00:08:43] happened at the international airport here came out and said that we [00:08:47] stand with the Saudi, Saudi are allies and we do know [00:08:51] that, but it's going to be really interesting to see what the US does at the moment, and the [00:08:55] reason for that is of course they currently in negotiations with Iran. I [00:08:59] know Iran has responded to the US response on the seven-day [00:09:03] straight of Hamos proposal, and they said that the US response is [00:09:07] insufficient, so we know right now the US is waiting for [00:09:10] response. um from Iran, they've got that, [00:09:14] it's probably not looking like that is going to lead to an agreement, [00:09:18] and we must remember President Donald Trump right now is facing those mid-term [00:09:22] elections in November, he's got a choice to make, [00:09:26] domestically, it's highly unpopular in the U.S., his [00:09:29] war with Iran, and I think the coming days and [00:09:33] weeks will tell us on what's going to happen, because the mecca defense [00:09:36] alliance, the plan is obviously to mobilize equipment [00:09:40] as quickly as possible and to get... that interposition and the dawn of [00:09:44] Yemen attacks and the dawnment of Yemen operation apologies [00:09:48] which has been led by the Yemeny government and the Saudi Led coalition from [00:09:52] the air could make major gains, so it's a weight and see [00:09:56] holding pattern here, every time I speak to analys, they say that's the [00:10:00] situation we're in. Right, one quick [00:10:03] last question from you, Mark, does diplomacy stand any chance when it [00:10:07] comes to de-escalating the situation between the Houtis and the [00:10:11] kingdom? [00:10:16] I think your guest panelist is saying it exactly [00:10:20] right, this is a staalmate at this point in time, it's also [00:10:24] kind of a quagmar. uh in part because the US elections, [00:10:27] Iran is betting uh that they can win this war uh by uh [00:10:31] weakening President Trump at the polls, and while he may be winken that's not [00:10:35] going to stop him as commander and chief uh from being able to order or having the [00:10:39] capacity to order uh future strikes. I would say [00:10:43] just quickly and in defense the the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, I would hope that the [00:10:47] US would do more uh this kind of attack is unacceptable, and I would [00:10:51] also quickly point out one other aspect to all of this, uh, it is creating [00:10:55] interest in dynamic because Pakistan up to now has acted as [00:10:58] mediator between the US and Iran, and for mediator you need to [00:11:02] be objective, but if Pakistan is now taking the fight to the hooties [00:11:06] uh directly or indirectly in Yemen, suddenly you're participant [00:11:10] especially if as I, argue that it is, Iran that's [00:11:14] behind the atuthi attacks, so everything is kind of spinning out of [00:11:17] control, even though for now up until the midterms, I suspect for the most [00:11:21] part uh it to be a [00:11:42] first segment of today's show, in the second segment we are going to [00:11:46] understand as to what is exactly the [00:11:50] Indian authority, the led by Bharatiya Janata party government of [00:11:54] course led by its prime minister, Narendra Modi [00:11:57] is doing with massive demonstrations and the protests [00:12:01] which have erupted in number of cities, most primarily when we [00:12:05] talk about New Delhi and Mumbai, especially when we talk [00:12:09] about the government crackdown against the protest testers [00:12:13] in Delhi, Delhi has been put under [00:12:17] the extreme security restrictions. [00:12:20] Now what does that actually signif when the people are protesting? [00:12:25] against an exercise by the Election Commission of [00:12:28] India in connivance with the federal authorities, which is [00:12:32] of course has already mentioned Bhartiya Janata party led by its prime [00:12:36] minister Narendra Modi, when it comes to revising [00:12:39] intensively the electoral [00:12:43] roles, as per number of reports, [00:12:46] 130 million people's names have [00:12:50] been put off the electoral roles, what does [00:12:54] that? what does that signif and it is [00:12:57] happening under the garb the special [00:13:00] intensive revision and the election commission [00:13:04] the opposition parties say, especially when we talk about Indian National Congress, [00:13:08] it's leader Rahul Gandhi, he has been put under brief [00:13:12] detention, likewise when we talk about this [00:13:15] crackdown, there are reports that more than 1000 people [00:13:19] have been put under detention, there are barricades and [00:13:22] even journalists have... been [00:13:25] arrested and their mobile phones and their [00:13:29] devices have been confiscated by the police and law [00:13:32] enforcement agencies over there. the opposition blames bharatiya [00:13:36] janata party and the election commission of india going for [00:13:40] this exercise in order to [00:13:43] eliminate the names the eligible voters, most particularly [00:13:47] when we talk about the Muslim voters in order to give [00:13:51] a disproportionate advantage to bhartiy. the party and [00:13:55] there is pattern in that particular regard in certain [00:13:59] constituencies where there was no government of bharatiya janata party [00:14:02] before such revision of electoral roles, bharatiya janata [00:14:06] party came into power after such [00:14:09] revision, there are international concerns also being raised [00:14:13] regarding this particular exercise on the part the election commission of [00:14:16] India and the Bharattiya party let [00:14:19] government to understand what exactly is happening [00:14:23] when we talk about that claim. of being the largest democracy in the [00:14:26] world, what does this show about the true nature [00:14:30] of this so-called largest democracy in the world of [00:14:34] India? for [00:14:50] million voters names have been struck [00:14:54] of. electoral roles in India [00:14:58] under the so-called special intensive revision [00:15:02] the electoral roles, how do you look at [00:15:06] this particular act on the part the election commission of [00:15:09] India? firstly and also when we talk [00:15:12] about its [00:15:15] connivance with the bhartiya janata party led government over [00:15:25] democracy is dying, it's been dying for the last [00:15:28] 12 years ever since BJP under Narendra [00:15:32] Modi took office, but 12 years of [00:15:36] dying has brought India's democracy to [00:15:39] near fatal or near death state [00:15:43] in which, as you just told your viewers, [00:15:47] 130 million voters are being [00:15:50] disenfranchised, for your Pakistani viewers, [00:15:54] I'll put it into perspective, that the total number of [00:15:58] Pakistani voters in 2024 was 136 [00:16:01] million, so essentially number of [00:16:05] voters nearly equal to... "all of Pakistan's [00:16:08] voters is being struck the roles [00:16:12] and this is very [00:16:15] determined and deliberate exercise to [00:16:19] rig the vote, to finally [00:16:23] disenfranchise minorities, particularly Muslims [00:16:26] and also to use [00:16:30] this very selective engineering tool to [00:16:33] disenfranchise the new cockroat janta party." [00:16:37] which is now protesting and its leaders have been arrested, [00:16:41] but I think this [00:16:45] 130 million Indians being struck the roles [00:16:48] is essentially the culmination of a 12 year [00:16:52] exercise in which [00:16:55] the abolishing the special state of Kashmir, [00:16:59] article 370 the Indian constitution back in [00:17:02] 2019 and then afterwards the citizenship act [00:17:05] in which again... "the same exercise was tried in [00:17:09] which the citizenship itself, the government of India tried [00:17:13] to take away again, the principal victims of Muslims [00:17:16] and there is a systematic repression of minorities [00:17:20] across India. what has changed, I think this is what [00:17:24] in my view has brought India's democracy to near [00:17:28] fatal level, that the [00:17:32] animous the government, the repression the government has [00:17:35] now spread. from minorities and muslims [00:17:39] to all those who oppose it, so even [00:17:43] Hindus or lower cast Hindus or educated [00:17:46] students who are now opposing it, are facing the same kind of [00:17:50] retribution that Muslims and minorites have faced [00:17:53] in the last 12 years, in fact Muslims in Gujarat [00:17:57] faced it a genocidal level at the hands of Narendra [00:18:01] Modi back in 2002, but essentially this [00:18:05] widening of repression from Muslim. to all those [00:18:08] who oppose the regime, it has brought India's [00:18:11] democracy, and I think it's very difficult to now call it [00:18:14] democracy in which such widespread repression can [00:18:18] take place. Exactly, we we see that [00:18:22] widespread resentment among various stat the society, from [00:18:26] Muslims it is expanding towards the other [00:18:30] communities as well, when we specifically try to [00:18:33] understand as to the international concern and... [00:18:37] India which claims to be the largest democracy in the world, that there are [00:18:41] international covenants when it comes to the universal declaration of [00:18:45] human rights, the international covenant on civil and political [00:18:49] rights, also the entire world [00:18:53] happens to be very sensitive when it comes to the right to [00:18:56] vote and such practices that ultimately lead to [00:19:00] disenfranchisement of such huge chunk [00:19:03] of population a certain [00:19:06] country. isn't the world [00:19:08] cognis, what is exactly happening right now in India [00:19:12] and what should it be ideally? the world is sensitive to it, but because [00:19:16] of India's size, particularly the size of its economy, and we should [00:19:20] never forget the growth rate that it keeps [00:19:24] deceiving the world with, in which now there is convincing [00:19:27] evidence that India has been overestimating it growth [00:19:31] numbers for again for decades [00:19:34] now, but particularly under Bharatiya Janata Party. is [00:19:37] rule, which I think now [00:19:40] I again to be perfectly candid should be deemed a [00:19:43] Hinditwa government in which [00:19:46] it is trying to make sure that through [00:19:49] its engineering and repression [00:19:53] that it remains in power and the [00:19:56] world has taken notice of it, but India's size and [00:20:00] India's economic growth stats still force the world [00:20:04] to do business, but as we have seen ' that there [00:20:08] is there is a method to this [00:20:12] madness that Narendra Modi is pursuing, but this [00:20:15] madness has brought India's slowly bringing [00:20:19] India's growth miracle to an [00:20:21] end, lot of [00:20:25] multinationals and other investments are leaving [00:20:28] India and there is a flip side to this repression is that [00:20:32] India's and this Hindutva governments [00:20:36] entrenched. hatred of Pakistan and its [00:20:39] war mungering against Pakistan has also made [00:20:43] the world realize that [00:20:47] region a which India keeps threatening with war and [00:20:50] particularly with two nuclear arm neighbors exist side by side [00:20:54] is that region which Narendra Modi can plunge [00:20:58] into war any time is not a good destination for investment so that [00:21:02] is India is also suffering not only from the [00:21:05] international sensitivity to repression and voter [00:21:09] fraud it is also now being paying the price for this war [00:21:13] mungering against Pakistan by you know by [00:21:16] economically directly and also of course [00:21:20] Overall, if you look at the larger picture, [00:21:23] India's alliance with the United States is [00:21:27] also in trouble, because India has not proven to [00:21:31] be the kind of foot soldier that the United States wanted against [00:21:35] China, so many kind of [00:21:39] what you say, vulnerabilities brought upon by the [00:21:43] Hinditwa's you know systematic [00:21:47] hatred and prejudice against. [00:21:50] minorities and those who oppose it has now brought India to [00:21:54] level in which the world is now, I think many the freedom [00:21:57] house downgraded India's democratic credentials in this year's [00:22:01] report, so India's democracy is dying, its international [00:22:05] stature is is being shattered and now [00:22:09] it's, I think it's going to be difficult two years until the next election [00:22:13] for Narendra Modi right, Mr. Khan, there is another very [00:22:17] interesting dimension, you already referred to briefly upon that. but also the [00:22:21] cockroach Janata party. now there is a there is the [00:22:25] pressure that is building upon the Bharatiyar the party led [00:22:29] government. with these massive demonstrations in number of major [00:22:32] cities including Mumbai, Delhi has been put under [00:22:36] extreme security restriction also. now there is a brief [00:22:40] history, the the cockroach general party was successfully able [00:22:44] to get its demand met from the Bharatiya [00:22:48] Janata party when the education... minister had to [00:22:51] resign. now we know for fact there [00:22:54] is backing from the opposition, indian national [00:22:58] congress party as well, their leader was briefly detained though as [00:23:02] well, with the corker janata party, other leading [00:23:06] opposition parties and also there is also a hint on the part [00:23:10] of Sunam Volkchok also who played a pivotal role in the [00:23:14] last movement when it came to the resignation the education [00:23:17] minister, this time around, the demand is [00:23:21] the resignation the chief election commissioner, [00:23:25] given that precedence, do you think there would be pressure amply [00:23:29] mounted on Bharatiya party that they they once again [00:23:33] would given or conceed to this new demand of this massive protest [00:23:37] movement? i would like to point out [00:23:40] that the one the symptoms of a [00:23:43] prejudice based government is that it [00:23:47] cannot bear independ institutions so for [00:23:51] many decades now, more than two decades, India's [00:23:55] election commission was sort the postered child of India's [00:23:59] democracy, which you it was seen as a credible institution that [00:24:02] despite all the corruption and mismanagement [00:24:06] and embazzlement that happened in India, at least [00:24:10] the Indian election commission was a credible institution that ran [00:24:14] relatively fair elections, now that is no longer [00:24:17] true, so similarly, "the another [00:24:20] institution which became the cause the cockroach [00:24:24] Janata party to come into being was the college entral system in [00:24:28] which the examination system was exposed as [00:24:32] rigged and so so many hundred thousands of young [00:24:36] people who wanted to go into the Indian civil [00:24:39] service realized that this again another [00:24:43] institution that they believed in was rigged and [00:24:47] corrupt and therefore they protested against it." It's very interesting that the [00:24:51] handful of young people who have had no political experience, most them [00:24:55] are under the age of 32, have have organized [00:24:58] themselves into this this protest, but [00:25:02] again this protest which is first was [00:25:05] against the education minister, now they are protesting as the election [00:25:09] commission, i it's too early to say whether the election [00:25:13] commissioner would resign, but it's very clear that [00:25:16] one major aspect of this Hindutva regime for the last 12. [00:25:20] has been the slow decay of [00:25:24] Indian institutions which is now exposed for all the world to [00:26:15] Education has become the latest casualty of Hindutva [00:26:18] politics as Muslim students are punished for excelling in [00:26:22] Indian occupied Kashmir. Fascist Modi regime has shut down a [00:26:26] medical college in Indian illegally occupied Jammu and [00:26:29] Kashmir after the first bat soft. and overwhelming [00:26:33] number of admissions of Muslim students, right-wing Hindu [00:26:37] groups fueled by extremist Hindutva ideology under Prime Minister [00:26:41] Modi demanded that the college should admit only Hindu [00:26:45] students. The admissions to the medical college were finalized after [00:26:48] India's national entrance examination test. [00:26:52] Legislators the ruling BJP even petitioned the lieutenant [00:26:56] governor to enforce religious discrimination, [00:26:58] and so on the 6th of January, the National Medical Commission revoked the... [00:27:02] college's [00:27:03] recognition citing alleged deficiencies, move widely criticized as [00:27:07] capitulation to religious extremists, rather than genuine [00:27:11] educational concerns. chief minister of indian illegally occupied [00:27:15] jammu and kashmir Abdullah condemned the BJP and its allied [00:27:19] Hindu groups for targeting Muslim students, saying that the campaign had [00:27:22] destroyed the future of aspiring doctors in Kashmir. Nasir [00:27:26] Kuhihami the Jammu and Kashmir students association warned that framing [00:27:30] education as Hindu. is Muslim was dangerously [00:27:34] communalizing the sector. He stressed that institutions run by [00:27:38] Muslim bodies across India do not exclude Hindu [00:27:42] students. Naser termed religious segregation in the education [00:27:45] as both discriminatory and deeply harmful to social [00:27:49] cohesion. The closure the medical college further [00:27:53] exposes the growing influence of Hindutva politics and Indian [00:27:57] illegally occupied Jammu and Kashmir. raising serious [00:28:00] questions about fairness. equality and the right of Muslim [00:28:04] students to access [00:28:06] education. [00:30:23] Hello and welcome, you're watching Pakistan TV, the news the hour and nadal, let's address [00:30:27] the headlines [00:30:28] first. [00:30:44] The President on the advice of Prime Minister Mohammad Shahbas Sharief imposes [00:30:47] emergency infa under articles 232 and [00:30:51] 234 the Constitution of Pakistan given the gravity the [00:30:55] situation.