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[00:00:17] Hello, good morning, you're watching Pakistan TV, I am Ali ahmed
[00:00:21] and here are the top stories making the
[00:00:23] headline.
[00:00:33] of
[00:00:39] the president on the advice
[00:00:41] of the prime minister Shaz Sharif imposes emergency in Khabar
[00:00:44] Pakhtunkwah under articles 232 and 234
[00:00:47] of the Constitution of Pakistan citing the gravity
[00:00:50] of the
[00:00:53] of situation. The government defends
[00:00:57] the
[00:00:57] of imposition
[00:00:58] of the emergency inqa. is a constitutional measure amit the
[00:01:01] rising terrorism and forms an 11 member advisory council to
[00:01:05] oversee the key provincial
[00:01:06] departments.
[00:01:15] government kundi chair first meeting
[00:01:17] of the newly constituted kp zero tolerance for the
[00:01:21] corruption prioritizes
[00:01:23] of peace, good governance and effective utilization
[00:01:26] of the mineral resources.
[00:01:33] At least 12 people have been killed and 309 oters beed in
[00:01:37] attack on king Khalid international airport fronting authorities
[00:01:41] to suspend
[00:01:42] operations.
[00:01:47] Prime Minister Shahbas Sharief strongly
[00:01:49] in condemns the hoouti militious attack on King Khalid international airport
[00:01:53] reaffirming Pakistan's unbavoring
[00:01:55] of solidarity with the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, its leadership and ratherly people saying
[00:01:59] Pakistan. will stand shoulder to shoulder with the kingdom in every time of
[00:02:03] trial.
[00:02:08] the European Union's talks with the Afghan taliban face
[00:02:12] criticism
[00:02:13] of the concerns that migration priorities overshadows, scanner
[00:02:17] terrorism, girls education and women's
[00:02:19] of rights and midst the terrorist groups presence in
[00:02:22] Afghanistan.
[00:02:31] US president Trump says that Russia and Ukraine agreed to
[00:02:34] a immediate energy cease fire using both sides to honor the
[00:02:38] agreement.
[00:02:44] Lash flots destroy homes and bridges in central Nepal 49
[00:02:48] rescued five missing as the country continues recovering from the deadly floods
[00:02:52] and one's
[00:02:52] lives.
[00:02:57] Pakistan beats Sri Lanka by 82 runs. in the second t20
[00:03:01] international at travelpinty cricket stadium to take two lead in the three match
[00:03:04] series.
[00:03:21] some details now the president Asif Ali on the advise
[00:03:24] of the prime minister Shahar Sharif has imposed emergency in khibar Pakhton under
[00:03:28] articles 232 and 34
[00:03:30] of the constitution of Pakistan given the gravity
[00:03:33] of the situation, the president signed the summary sent to him by
[00:03:37] Prime Minister Shaz
[00:03:38] of Sharif on the recommendation
[00:03:39] of the cabinet for exercising h constitutional authority and
[00:03:43] imposing emergency in khibar paktunkwah under articles 232 and
[00:03:47] 234
[00:03:47] of the constitution of Pakistan. Earlier the federal cabinet was briefed
[00:03:51] on the law and order situation and the provincial governments deliberate
[00:03:55] disengagement from the fight against terrorism and the deteriorating state
[00:03:59] of.
[00:04:00] a regarding terrorism in khibar paktunkwa. the cabinet conducted
[00:04:04] detailed
[00:04:04] of review
[00:04:05] of the
[00:04:05] of situation taking into account the worsening law and order conditions
[00:04:09] in
[00:04:09] khibar paktunkwah
[00:04:10] province.
[00:04:16] of federal interior minister
[00:04:19] of mussan says months long efforts to secure KP government's cooperation
[00:04:23] against terrorism failed due to the differences with PTI leaders.
[00:04:26] law minister Azim Nazir says that the federal government acted
[00:04:30] within the constitutional framework while
[00:04:33] a information minister Atar blames the KP government's approach
[00:04:37] of for worsening security. meanwile the federal government has formed an 11 member
[00:04:41] advisory council to oversee the key departments in KP. more in this
[00:04:45] news report by Anum abbasi. after
[00:04:48] the declaration of emergency in khibar pakhtunkwah the federal ministers
[00:04:52] held
[00:04:53] a crucial joint press conference in Islamabad today and
[00:04:57] revealed the complete inside story. of what led to
[00:05:01] the
[00:05:01] of difficult decision of declaring emergency in khibar
[00:05:04] pakhtunkhah province. Interior minister Mohsin Naqi said a sharp
[00:05:08] increase in terrorism citing 195% rise in
[00:05:12] terror. incidents and 103% increase in
[00:05:15] casuality over one and a half year. he stated that
[00:05:18] 518 police personnel have been murtered since january
[00:05:22] 2024 and identified 12 districts
[00:05:25] oftunkwah severely affected by terrorism. so
[00:05:29] the fundamental grounds for imposition of emergency
[00:05:32] are law and order, fight
[00:05:36] against terrorism and to save innocent people from
[00:05:40] from from the dreadful consequence. of terrorist activities
[00:05:44] information minister accused that PTI led
[00:05:47] provincial government of failing to maintain law and order and
[00:05:51] alleged that the militant groups had expanded their influence in
[00:05:55] the province. these this this government which has been
[00:05:59] suspended through a constitutional
[00:06:02] option is responsible for the deaths of
[00:06:06] thousands of citizens of khibar pakhtunkhah because
[00:06:10] their pro ttttp. pro TTA policies,
[00:06:14] these were people who are apologists for these
[00:06:17] terrorists, who are sympathizers, who have always been sympathizers and
[00:06:21] let me also remind you that the policy of TTA towards
[00:06:25] women has been reflected by the KPK government
[00:06:29] with regard to women's rights, with regard to women's education, you may like to look at the
[00:06:33] statistics how they have deprived women their right
[00:06:36] to livelihood and their right to education, he presented the
[00:06:40] proposed advisory council as team of technocrats,
[00:06:44] experienced officials and professionals tasked with
[00:06:47] improving governance and administration. the ministers
[00:06:51] maintained that the intervention was intended to address worsening
[00:06:54] terrorism, restore effective governance and strengthen
[00:06:58] coordination between the federal government and security
[00:07:01] institutions. anamarbasi, pakistan
[00:07:03] tv.
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[00:08:12] Welcome to perspective: Pakistan faces evolving security threat as
[00:08:16] militant groups increasingly return to modern technology to challenge the
[00:08:20] state from explosive laden commercial drones used by
[00:08:24] tarike Taliban Pakistan to reported cross
[00:08:28] uh border drone insertions. Involving Afghan
[00:08:32] Taliban forces, the changing nature of warfare is raising
[00:08:35] serious concerns for Pakistan's national security.
[00:08:39] Islamabad is repeatedly emphasized the Afghan Taliban.
[00:08:43] of accused of course with proof of providing
[00:08:47] Afghan Taliban sanctuaries to the TTP.
[00:08:51] Meanwhile Pakistan is strengthening its counter drone capabilities in
[00:08:55] pursuing operations against militant networks
[00:08:58] across Khair Pakhtunkwah and Balochistan. The challenge is not
[00:09:02] just intercepting drones but dismantling the
[00:09:06] networks that finance supply and deploy them. Meanwhile
[00:09:10] in India Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government faces mounting
[00:09:14] questions over its commitment to democrat democratic freedoms, the
[00:09:18] detention of protesters and journalists in New Delhi.
[00:09:21] restrictions on demonstrations and allegations of large scale
[00:09:25] voter exclusion have intensified scrutiny the
[00:09:29] country's electoral institutions. opposition parties
[00:09:33] accuse the authorities of undermining the public's right to political
[00:09:37] representation, while the BJP and election commission deny
[00:09:41] manipulating electoral. roles of course with Rahul Gandhi
[00:09:44] backing the protest protests and the UN human rights
[00:09:48] office raising concerns over arbitrary
[00:09:51] detentions, the controversy presents a serious
[00:09:55] challenge to Modi's government. can a government
[00:09:58] claim democratic legitimacy while facing growing
[00:10:02] questions about electoral transparency, freedom
[00:10:06] of expression and the right to peaceful
[00:10:09] descent. tonight on perspective exam the Modi government's
[00:10:13] handling these protests, of course the controversy surrounding vote
[00:10:17] of registration and the widening debate over
[00:10:20] constitutional rights in India. We have with us Richard
[00:10:24] Levy. former bureau chief, the Washington Post joining us,
[00:10:28] a little later, a little later on we'll have other guests during the course the
[00:10:32] program. Thank you for joining us, Richard,
[00:10:35] as far as the TTP, Afghan Nexus is
[00:10:39] concerned, when we look at what's happening, of course, the
[00:10:43] TTP has expanded its operational capabilities, intensified
[00:10:47] attacks inside Pakistan, given your
[00:10:50] experience of covering the Afghan war and the
[00:10:54] TTP India. insurgency, how would you assess the
[00:10:57] relationship between tdk Taliban Pakistan
[00:11:01] and the Afghan Taliban today? Is it
[00:11:05] primarily an ideological alliance, a
[00:11:08] strategic partnership or has the TTP also become
[00:11:12] a source of regional pressure against
[00:11:16] Pakistan? first let me say,
[00:11:20] barrister hamid, I appreciate the opportunity to talk again
[00:11:23] on Pakistan TV. and your questions are
[00:11:27] right spot on, it may the answer may be all
[00:11:31] three. um, proxy wars have to be
[00:11:35] funded, supplied and
[00:11:38] maintained by an opposing
[00:11:41] force that wants to aly with the proxies. in this case, the
[00:11:45] proxies are the TTP, in this case, it's
[00:11:49] a pretty good bet that the supporters, the Afghan
[00:11:53] taliban um... "these wars
[00:11:57] are not unknown throughout the world, of course, and
[00:12:00] eliminated, eliminating and insurgency is
[00:12:04] tough work for a standing
[00:12:07] army, up until very recently, the
[00:12:10] TTP had no air air force, it does
[00:12:14] now, it has drones, called
[00:12:17] often the poorman's air force,
[00:12:21] which are able to hammer sites in..."
[00:12:25] Pakistan, it has clearly some
[00:12:29] sort of support network supplying the drones
[00:12:32] and it has
[00:12:33] purely not just
[00:12:37] purely ideological reason to support the
[00:12:40] TTP, but a political reason
[00:12:44] that extends, I think
[00:12:47] to a continuing
[00:12:50] conflict between the two, the two states.
[00:12:55] Afghanistan and Pakistan. When we look
[00:12:58] at, the evolution of TTP capabilities, of course
[00:13:02] it seems that they've moved beyond conventional ambushes,
[00:13:06] suicide bombings, bombings and improvised
[00:13:09] explosive devices to, of course, increasingly
[00:13:13] sophisticated attacks, including drone use,
[00:13:16] surveillance and coordinated attacks. What,
[00:13:20] what and who has driven this evolution in your
[00:13:23] opinion and... to what extent does it reflect the
[00:13:27] group's own adaptation uh in terms of of course their battle
[00:13:31] field experience, access to expertise from other militant
[00:13:35] networks, what what is this evolution about and what
[00:13:39] has given rise to it? well Pakistan
[00:13:43] right now is dealing with what I call feast of
[00:13:45] snakes, there are militant groups
[00:13:49] obviously out of Baluchistan, and there are other
[00:13:53] militant groups um... possibly supported by
[00:13:57] India, I don't want to go out on the lim uh
[00:14:01] and say they are, here's one the
[00:14:03] problems, Miss Hamine, the United States
[00:14:07] no longer has any eyes on Pakistan, I'm sorry eyes on
[00:14:11] Afghanistan, the um intelligence
[00:14:15] services have been withdrawn -
[00:14:19] before, as you know, the intelligence services of
[00:14:22] CIA and the US Air Force. in conjunction
[00:14:26] were able to uh have drone strikes their
[00:14:30] own against the terrorist networks in
[00:14:33] Pakistan and help diminish their role
[00:14:37] uh that air power isn't any
[00:14:41] longer available um
[00:14:44] and also the intelligence gathering, I
[00:14:47] believe the number of actual
[00:14:51] militants in Afghanistan is estimated to be nine.
[00:14:55] thous and obviously that's
[00:14:58] sizable force for to operate within
[00:15:02] a another country.
[00:15:05] the goal then of Pakistan, i
[00:15:09] think should be
[00:15:12] continuing to visiate or eliminate this
[00:15:15] force, easier said than done,
[00:15:19] however, especially when it appears
[00:15:23] the EU has some interest in engaging the Taliban
[00:15:27] regime, which I know has gotten coverage
[00:15:30] there, because to stop you right
[00:15:34] there, when we look at the drone warfare. and access to
[00:15:38] this kind of drone drone technology or Pakistan of course
[00:15:42] has reported militant
[00:15:45] um the the militant drone attacks, they've also reported you
[00:15:49] raised concerns about the use of commercially
[00:15:52] available quadcopters, I believe and and you know for
[00:15:56] surveillance, offensive operations,
[00:16:00] commercially available quadcopters, where might the
[00:16:03] TTB be obtaining this kind of...
[00:16:07] sophisticated technology and and obtaining its
[00:16:11] drones, components, technical
[00:16:14] expertise, because what is this development
[00:16:17] reveal about the accessibility of this
[00:16:21] kind of technology, you know to to militant groups,
[00:16:24] and of course then obviously the challenges it creates for
[00:16:28] Pakistan, well a
[00:16:31] quadcopter probably costs in the vicinity of
[00:16:34] $2,500 us. um,
[00:16:38] they can be assembled from kits, so
[00:16:42] they're available, and they're available
[00:16:45] reportedly, from Turkey and
[00:16:49] China. do I have
[00:16:53] confirmation of that? no, it's what I read in
[00:16:56] reports, the um,
[00:16:59] availability, availability becomes
[00:17:02] obvious because they're being
[00:17:04] used, perhaps being assembled.
[00:17:08] somewhere in the
[00:17:12] northwestern regions of Pakistan, perhaps being assembled in
[00:17:16] Afghanistan, it's a very difficult
[00:17:19] situation to assess, I'm not in the
[00:17:23] intelligence
[00:17:24] agency, and it's
[00:17:28] increasingly difficult because the
[00:17:32] United States has very little regard anymore for what's
[00:17:35] happening in Pakistan. in Afghanistan
[00:17:39] because the troops were withdrawn as you know five years ago
[00:17:42] um President Trump has essentially said you're
[00:17:46] on your own to uh
[00:17:49] Pakistan although it is still the uh
[00:17:53] most favored uh non-Nato ally the United
[00:17:57] States for good reason the incredible
[00:18:00] importance of Pakistan to the
[00:18:03] region.
[00:18:05] I don't want to uh... push the
[00:18:08] point, but insurgencies have a
[00:18:12] way of taking on their own life, they
[00:18:14] are asymmetric and they can gain momentum
[00:18:18] because the people want
[00:18:22] to cast off the state, that is true in
[00:18:25] Bolushistan, as I understand it, so they
[00:18:29] the, of course Richard with
[00:18:32] sustaining these operations of course
[00:18:35] require funding, equipment. reliable supply
[00:18:39] of it,
[00:18:40] you know, and of course the reliable supply channels also,
[00:18:44] how might the TTP finance and its activities, you
[00:18:48] know, procure drones and and explosives, other
[00:18:51] equipments a steady supply so to speak, and what
[00:18:55] role can informal financial systems, criminal
[00:18:59] networks, external facilitators play,
[00:19:03] you know, how can these channels be disrupted, and
[00:19:06] and of course to weaken this group's
[00:19:09] operational capacity in
[00:19:11] particular, the
[00:19:15] um answer to that is a again a bit
[00:19:19] blurry, um, the UN recently
[00:19:23] sanctioned any
[00:19:26] support for terrorism carried out against
[00:19:29] Pakistan, um, sanctions
[00:19:32] mean something, but there's
[00:19:36] no... let's put it
[00:19:38] regular uh effort or ability to
[00:19:42] enforce, except through um
[00:19:45] say the uh international police
[00:19:49] agencies uh interpol and
[00:19:52] that takes a lot of uh focus and
[00:19:56] commitment by the authorities, I'm
[00:19:59] certain the ISI is tracking where these are coming
[00:20:03] from, and that's
[00:20:06] something... that has to be sustained and and
[00:20:10] well focused. um, the
[00:20:14] because the uh inexpensiveness of
[00:20:18] drones um
[00:20:19] or the and the ability to assembly assemble them, the ability to
[00:20:23] get them up there. mean a 14-year-old kid
[00:20:27] in america could assemble
[00:20:30] a servicisable drone, not for warfare, but i hope you
[00:20:34] take my point. um, it's a
[00:20:37] large-scale problem, it's a problem for the
[00:20:41] United States. um, I, I want to mention that the United
[00:20:45] States lost two service members to a drone attack
[00:20:48] from Iran. uh against
[00:20:52] personnel in Jordan um
[00:20:54] and obviously drone
[00:20:58] warfare has now spread so so many places across the
[00:21:02] globe that it's it's being it used to be what was called a bteque
[00:21:06] weapon
[00:21:07] it is now a pervasive weapon and drone
[00:21:10] control arms control richard for for a country for a country
[00:21:14] like Afghanistan this is
[00:21:17] you know war ravaged land in terms of funding that's
[00:21:20] available, what we know about the funding in terms the
[00:21:24] aid that is accessible to the Afghan
[00:21:27] Taliban, you think that you think there are external
[00:21:31] source source of steady funding, and and
[00:21:35] what do they indicate and and the regions and the areas and the countries
[00:21:39] that they are coming from? well, as I said at the top
[00:21:43] the conversation, a proxy war
[00:21:45] requires weaponry shelt.
[00:21:51] um supplies, food
[00:21:54] for the army it's
[00:21:57] supporting, i believe it
[00:22:01] remains opaque to a certain degree to
[00:22:05] the United States, we we have no
[00:22:08] NATO, I'm sorry we, NATO has no
[00:22:11] presence, and it's, as
[00:22:15] I said before, kind of looking into a black box, I think you
[00:22:19] can..." assume that the Afghan
[00:22:22] Taliban government uh and military
[00:22:26] is providing some sort of
[00:22:30] protection uh and access
[00:22:34] to to the TTP and other radical
[00:22:37] groups um that that
[00:22:41] would explain why there's more of a
[00:22:44] proliferation these
[00:22:46] weapons the the role what
[00:22:50] about the nexus that we've seen as far as India is
[00:22:52] concerned, as I said
[00:22:56] um earlier, I don't want
[00:22:58] to go out on lim on India because I don't have
[00:23:02] the reporting that
[00:23:05] would be required, it's a little sketchy, um, yeah, I worked at the
[00:23:09] Washington Post for 30 years and one of our
[00:23:13] abiding principles was not to go beyond the reporting,
[00:23:17] um, stick with what you can determine.
[00:23:20] factually or through analysis,
[00:23:23] so that may be disappointing answer, but that's my answer, I
[00:23:27] just have, I don't have any first hand knowledge on
[00:23:31] that, but yeah, but of course there are
[00:23:34] dosiers, there's also Kulbushan Yadav, other
[00:23:38] cases in point that have
[00:23:40] you know been cases in point that have proven the
[00:23:43] role of infiltration, the role of cross border terrorism, the
[00:23:47] role of perpetration of... terrorism that comes through the Indian
[00:23:51] territory, but moving on, as far as the Afghan Taliban
[00:23:54] responsibility themselves is concerned, as far as cross border
[00:23:58] militancy is concerned. Of course, Pakistan has
[00:24:01] repeatedly raised this concern, as far as TTP
[00:24:05] sanctuaries are concerned, operational freedom inside Afghanistan, of course
[00:24:09] arguing repeatedly that these networks contribute
[00:24:12] arrevocably
[00:24:15] to the kind of terrorism that then seeps into the
[00:24:19] power. Pakistani territory, how would or how
[00:24:23] should the Afghan Taliban be held accountable for
[00:24:26] preventing this kind of cross border
[00:24:29] militancy, barring of course consequences that
[00:24:32] are then, that that are then of course lashed out
[00:24:36] on their people and their women and their children also, so how do you
[00:24:40] assess that situation? I would
[00:24:44] like to go back to the EU overshore,
[00:24:48] um, that is diplomatic
[00:24:51] path considering how
[00:24:54] much af taliban two
[00:24:58] looks like taliban one in terms of
[00:25:02] it's complete
[00:25:06] and utter devastation the
[00:25:09] rights of women and girls um and
[00:25:13] if the taliban is going
[00:25:17] to want any legitimacy it's going to have to deal with those concerns, and
[00:25:21] once it gains some legitimacy, I would say it can deal more
[00:25:25] effectively, and Pakistan can be be more effective in its
[00:25:29] diplomacy. It surgencies can't last
[00:25:32] forever, they have to have some sort of
[00:25:36] bridges to um, the the
[00:25:39] principal state that they're attacking, I
[00:25:42] think, um, and then you can get
[00:25:46] back to even playing field diplomatically.
[00:25:51] um
[00:25:51] the United States settled the Vietnam war uh
[00:25:55] and the um Iranian uh
[00:25:59] sorry the Iranian Iraq war was settled um
[00:26:02] "the point i'm making is war doesn't
[00:26:06] help anyone and that may sound like a
[00:26:10] complete piety, but i
[00:26:13] think governments eventually realize that there are track
[00:26:17] to overchores,
[00:26:20] and eventually people come to their
[00:26:24] senses, one would think, mean it doesn't always happen, human
[00:26:27] nature being what it is, and perhaps I'm overly
[00:26:31] optimistic." "you no,
[00:26:35] we would all like to
[00:26:36] be optimistic, but when we look at the Afghan Taliban and of course, the
[00:26:40] insertions that have contributed to Afghan Taliban,
[00:26:43] adding
[00:26:44] another dimension to the tensions between Islamabad
[00:26:47] and Kabul, when we look at you know Pakistan's security, when we
[00:26:51] look at you, of course the talks that were earlier held, even you
[00:26:55] know in Turkey, in terms of this, this
[00:26:59] confrontation, the cross border militant attacks, what?" " steps
[00:27:03] are essential in your opinion for for there to be
[00:27:07] some kind of background to credible diplomacy
[00:27:11] or successful diplomacy at this
[00:27:13] time? well
[00:27:17] certainly you have to have a mandate from the
[00:27:21] top. um, unfortunately, a
[00:27:25] mandate like that doesn't always work, as you
[00:27:28] know, because sometimes the civilian government is outranked.
[00:27:33] um, I just think that again,
[00:27:37] I'm not trying not trying to be too optimistic,
[00:27:41] but does either side really want another kinetic war,
[00:27:45] um, to the extent that it
[00:27:48] is not perhaps going to end anywhere, but
[00:27:52] a cease fire or truth, look
[00:27:56] at what happened with the United States and Iran, there's it's essentially
[00:28:00] sease firing and the... um pausing
[00:28:03] because both sides are realizing the the damage that it's
[00:28:07] done and so on the
[00:28:11] ground, journalism has no boots on the ground
[00:28:14] in in this conflict between backstand
[00:28:18] and always go by the
[00:28:21] maximum that the first casualty in war is the
[00:28:25] truth, so you don't
[00:28:27] have independent uh
[00:28:31] interlocutors. even in media to
[00:28:34] say this is really what's happening, we only know what both
[00:28:38] sides PR agencies said say in both sides
[00:28:41] armies, now technically the the
[00:28:44] taliban, tariki taliban does not
[00:28:48] have a PR
[00:28:50] apparatus,
[00:28:54] but always hunger for both sides, let's hear
[00:28:58] why they are doing this, let's hear whether truly and
[00:29:02] find out whether truly Afghanistan is supporting
[00:29:05] them, and you can tell i'm cautious, because again
[00:29:09] I say, having been a journalist a long time, I don't have dog in the
[00:29:13] fight, the United States, I mean, I'll be
[00:29:17] blunt, at this point doesn't care, Trump has
[00:29:21] talked about retaking Bagram
[00:29:24] airbase in Afghanistan, I
[00:29:28] don't think that's going to happen, so the US is very.
[00:29:32] stand offish and I'm not saying the US has to be
[00:29:35] involved or wants to be involved or should be
[00:29:39] involved, but without a US
[00:29:42] role, sometimes nothing gets settled.
[00:29:45] Forgive me for being focused on the US,
[00:29:49] but I covered uh four presidenties
[00:29:52] and and three
[00:29:55] wars, so I i come at it from from,
[00:29:59] yeah, I'm sorry, I come at it from, I want to move on, I know that
[00:30:03] you said that of course, as far as India's role is concerned,
[00:30:07] you know, in terms the proof that is available, when we
[00:30:11] look at India's role and balot
[00:30:14] separist groups, for example, Pakistan of course has
[00:30:18] repeatedly raised concerns, we've raised concerns about the Indian support for
[00:30:22] militant groups operating against it, including the
[00:30:26] BLA, Islamabad has also again, like I mentioned earlier
[00:30:30] cited the example of Kulbushan Yadav. uh and other
[00:30:33] incident presenting its position on external
[00:30:37] involvement in militancy, which is not only
[00:30:41] interestingly you know
[00:30:44] relegated to Pakistan only, we've seen
[00:30:46] what happened in Canada also, we've seen you, as far as Indian
[00:30:49] involvement is concerned in external territories, I mean just to quote
[00:30:53] examples, so when we look at for example army
[00:30:56] commander, when we look at the Boloach National Army Commander report.