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[00:00:00] I'm sorry, I come from, but I want to move on. I
[00:00:03] in know that you said that, of course, as far as India's role is
[00:00:06] concerned, in terms of the proof that is available.
[00:00:10] When
[00:00:10] of we look at India's role and
[00:00:14] balot separist
[00:00:15] of groups for example,
[00:00:17] of Pakistan of course has repeatedly raised concerns. We've raised
[00:00:21] concerns about the
[00:00:21] of Indian support for militant
[00:00:23] of groups, operating against it, including the BLA,
[00:00:27] Islamabad has also again, like I mentioned earlier. cited the example of
[00:00:31] Kulbhashan Yadav and other incident
[00:00:34] presenting its position on external involvement
[00:00:38] in militancy which is not only interestingly
[00:00:42] you know
[00:00:44] of relegated to Pakistan only, we've seen what happened in Canada also, we've
[00:00:48] seen, as far as Indian involvement is concerned in external
[00:00:51] territories, I mean just to quote examples, so when we look
[00:00:55] at for example army commander, when we look at the Boloach National
[00:00:58] of Army
[00:00:59] a Commander
[00:00:59] of report. reportedly disclosed Indian financial support for
[00:01:03] separatist elements while Bras
[00:01:06] of claimed that its actions including its involvement in 2022
[00:01:10] lasbela helicopter crash, so they were
[00:01:13] directed
[00:01:14] of by India, so so these are cases in point, I'm basing my
[00:01:18] question on, you know, when you say that how do you respond to that, and how should
[00:01:22] Pakistan respond to this when we are looking at this available
[00:01:26] evidence to expose and disrupt external support for?
[00:01:30] the Afghan Taliban and its groups that then flows into
[00:01:34] of Pakistani territory, I think you present
[00:01:38] very solid foundation
[00:01:41] for suspicions and
[00:01:45] or proof of Indian involvement, let let me go back
[00:01:49] to the bigger picture again, India and Pakistan fought
[00:01:52] a a brief air war
[00:01:56] um and actually the border durant line conflict has been declare.
[00:02:00] of an active war, active
[00:02:03] war. um, so we know
[00:02:06] this, what we don't
[00:02:08] of know is whether there's a way to
[00:02:12] solve the problems
[00:02:13] of and
[00:02:15] of i again, do you want a kinetic
[00:02:18] of solution, that is
[00:02:21] of missiles firing across lines, or do you want
[00:02:24] a diplomatic solution? and that's up to both
[00:02:28] governments, India. and Pakistan
[00:02:32] to lay aside and persistent historical
[00:02:35] enmities uh and suspicions if
[00:02:38] possible and certainly
[00:02:40] of I'm I'm not privy to any
[00:02:44] diplomatic overtures, I went on one track to
[00:02:47] assignment to um New
[00:02:50] Delhi um and both sides
[00:02:55] of at the lunch table that I was at Indian
[00:02:58] general um was was optimistic,
[00:03:02] but that
[00:03:04] of of never happened, um, obviously never happened,
[00:03:09] of so if there's a way to solve these issues
[00:03:13] without more
[00:03:14] of people being killed, that would be
[00:03:16] wonderful, how would you,
[00:03:18] richard,
[00:03:23] yeah, but would you in if you if you look back at history and in terms
[00:03:27] of of how things are, when we look at the
[00:03:28] of landscape overall, with Modi's India at this time, how would
[00:03:32] you rate
[00:03:33] of diplomatic success between Pakistan and India
[00:03:37] on such such a for example trading of evidence on such
[00:03:40] a you know sort of sitting across the table in terms of some
[00:03:44] kind of serious solution, how
[00:03:47] of would of you rate it, because we've also seen what happened
[00:03:49] in the the war
[00:03:52] a recently of
[00:03:53] of between Pakistan and India in which of course we saw the role
[00:03:58] of of the US president also, so so there is you know... a certain background to what
[00:04:01] happened, so so what are your thoughts at this time of that kind of
[00:04:08] of a diplom success of of that kind of a diplomatic effort?
[00:04:14] 1% uh at
[00:04:17] first, but then you bring
[00:04:20] of in the the um global powers including the global south,
[00:04:24] including the western powers
[00:04:26] of and you start to make progress um and
[00:04:30] Vietnam settlement, years were
[00:04:33] spent debating the size
[00:04:36] of the table that diplomats would sit at and how
[00:04:40] many people would be at that
[00:04:42] of table, so it's a slow
[00:04:45] painstaking
[00:04:47] a process that requires patience,
[00:04:50] which you maybe in
[00:04:52] of two years we'll say it's a 30% chance, maybe in five years
[00:04:56] we'll say it's a 50% chance, I'm not no. one
[00:05:00] mathematician, but I do know these things take
[00:05:04] time, and I would, I think
[00:05:08] the world would celebrate if India and Pakistan came
[00:05:12] to... to some sort of
[00:05:15] data, thank you so much
[00:05:19] Richard, on that note, thank you so much for joining us, thank you for your very valuable
[00:05:23] input, it was a pleasure having you, I want to move
[00:05:26] on, we have with us
[00:05:28] joining Tarushi
[00:05:32] Aswani who is an independent journalist based in New Delhi,
[00:05:35] India joining us, Tarushi, you've been
[00:05:39] reporting from the ground since yesterday, what if you witness, how
[00:05:43] would you describe the atmosphere in Delhi at this time, as of
[00:05:47] course these protests continue, what
[00:05:49] are you witnessing? as somebody
[00:05:53] who's been on the ground for the last two days, I have
[00:05:57] seen that lot of protesters are being brutally
[00:06:01] detained, but that is not stopping their courage from protesting
[00:06:04] against the government, and apart from this, you also have to
[00:06:08] know that we are currently facing crack.
[00:06:12] town of sorts in the heart of delhi
[00:06:14] so this place that we read about the jantar mantar
[00:06:17] enclave and how it's situated
[00:06:21] in canart place which is like the heartbeat of delhi which has our supreme court
[00:06:24] of india which also has the president's house the prime minister's
[00:06:28] house the parliament of
[00:06:30] India
[00:06:39] we also have with us Tania Bazai who's in Human
[00:06:43] rights lawyer joining us. Tanya, in terms the
[00:06:47] Delhi crackdown, is it is is in your
[00:06:50] opinion, quite frankly, is peaceful descent being
[00:06:54] criminalized? Of course, thousands of people are reportedly being
[00:06:58] detained in Delhi, of course, as these reporters
[00:07:02] are wanting to demonstrate against the chief election
[00:07:05] commissioner and of course electoral revision, the CGP
[00:07:09] leaders, CGP leaders also detained upon. arriving
[00:07:13] in the capital, is it is the response in your
[00:07:16] opinion proportionate and what is it reveal about the Modi
[00:07:20] government and of course their tolerance of peaceful
[00:07:24] protesting? see the
[00:07:27] if we go through the laws and constitution the
[00:07:31] India, they have given right to assemble and this give them
[00:07:35] protection to protest peacefully when it comes to article 19 subsection
[00:07:39] one and article 19 subsection two, they have given them all the
[00:07:43] right to protest peacefully and on the other hand, the supreme court
[00:07:46] has also emphasized that the protester doing protest
[00:07:50] are is the fundamental right of all the citizen and the
[00:07:54] unreasonable restrictions can lead to constitutional crisis,
[00:07:58] so if it come to the mass disfranchisement, they can
[00:08:02] also invoke the sections of section 21,
[00:08:05] 22, 23, 24 the representation
[00:08:09] of people's act 1950, so they have all this sections, all the
[00:08:13] provisions, even the constitution the India has
[00:08:17] given them all the rights to do the peaceful protest,
[00:08:21] even the supreme court has the rulings that they can protest peacefully
[00:08:24] unless and until they don't breach the law, so I think
[00:08:28] that there is no criminality in all this process, if we go through
[00:08:32] the provisions of India and the constitution, they have given them
[00:08:36] all the right under article 191 and 192 the
[00:08:40] constitution of India, how would you look? at the
[00:08:43] practical sort of practicality these rights in
[00:08:47] terms of how are they practically being imposed, are they being
[00:08:50] imposed the way that the constitution sort of
[00:08:53] foresees? i think
[00:08:57] practically they they should be, i
[00:09:00] think more peaceful and has there are a lot of sanction already
[00:09:04] imposed on them a lot them are detained already, even
[00:09:08] the the the head
[00:09:10] the the the cockro janata party. has been detained and even
[00:09:13] detention itself is a crime in law, you cannot detain
[00:09:17] someone for more than 24 hours and you have to produce them before the
[00:09:20] magistrate as soon as possible, so practically i think they are very
[00:09:24] influential, if you see the opposition leaders are also in their
[00:09:27] favor and the opposition leaders according to article
[00:09:31] 84 and 102 the constitution allow them to join them
[00:09:35] and promote their
[00:09:37] narrative. fair enough, let me let me
[00:09:41] come back to you, let let's go to... Rushi to hear what's happening on the ground.
[00:09:45] Darushi, what are the processors demanding? You know, why has the
[00:09:49] revision of electoral roles become such major flash
[00:09:52] point when we look at the demonstrators calling for chief election
[00:09:56] commissioner Kumar to resign, is it is it you what is
[00:09:59] behind this this kind of protest that we are looking
[00:10:03] at? Essentially we
[00:10:07] have to look a lot of factors here because there was a story done by an
[00:10:11] Indian newspaper. on September 24, after which there was
[00:10:15] a wide spread protest across India demanding that 13
[00:10:19] crore votes which have been deleted be taken back and the
[00:10:23] election commission must take account ability for it, however, what is
[00:10:27] coming to notice of protesters, citizens and opposition leaders
[00:10:31] is that there is no acknowledgement on the part of Gnyanesh Kumar who is the
[00:10:35] chief election commissioner of India and neither has there been any
[00:10:38] accountability on part the BJP on part the
[00:10:42] Modi government that there is deletion of 13 crore voters
[00:10:46] across India, what they're saying is is that procedures going on
[00:10:50] and these deditions happened, however we must also
[00:10:53] understand that there is an overwhelming
[00:10:57] sentiment that these voters were deleted, in fact there is an
[00:11:00] allegation that these voters were deleted in fact to make Mr. Modi
[00:11:04] win in these states where the elections happened with deleted
[00:11:08] voters, for example Bihar where the BJP has won in
[00:11:12] coalition and also in West Bengal where the BJP has
[00:11:15] won, so
[00:11:17] there are a lot of questions that the protesters are asking about how
[00:11:20] this is happening and India is one the
[00:11:24] largest. in the world, we have around
[00:11:27] 970 million registered voters, out
[00:11:31] these such a big deletion is
[00:11:33] problematic tarushi,
[00:11:37] taroshi, when you, like you said, India is one the largest democracies in the
[00:11:41] world, but as you know we just spoke to Tanya Bazai
[00:11:44] also, and there are some constitutional freedoms that are granted
[00:11:48] to the citizens of India, in terms of detention, are
[00:11:52] they being followed, are they being? in terms of are they being
[00:11:56] abused, are they being followed? when we look at the rules regarding
[00:11:59] detention, the time periods, as far as you know the leaders are
[00:12:03] concerned, the opposition parties are, those that are protesting from the opposition
[00:12:07] parties also, so so on the ground, what is the
[00:12:10] situation with regard to those constitutional
[00:12:13] freedoms?
[00:12:19] so on the ground the sentiment is like about detentions, I
[00:12:23] will give you very... official figure which is 7000 protesters were
[00:12:27] detained yesterday, this includes former chief ministers, this
[00:12:31] includes lot of members the opposition party and also
[00:12:35] includes youth organizations, however many
[00:12:38] them were released, almost all them in fact were released late
[00:12:42] night yesterday and even early morning today Sunday on
[00:12:45] October 11, so regarding rules and regulations, the
[00:12:49] Indian Constitution has stipulated sections which talk about the
[00:12:53] freedom to protest, freedom of expression and the freedom for peaceful
[00:12:57] assembly and expressing one in terms of writing in
[00:13:01] posters, using photographs, however these rights
[00:13:04] in section 19 the Indian constitution are
[00:13:07] being massively overlooked when it comes to these
[00:13:11] protests which actually point massive
[00:13:13] fingers at the modi government and what
[00:13:17] is also come to notice is that while the Supreme Court of
[00:13:21] India has intervened while they also said that internet must not
[00:13:25] be shut down in the Indian capital, while the Supreme Court also
[00:13:29] said that you must not use excessive force while battling
[00:13:33] protesters, all of this was ignored by the Ministry of Home
[00:13:36] Affairs under Mr. Amit Shah, all these orders were
[00:13:40] ignored. I was reporting from the ground yesterday from
[00:13:44] 8 a.m. till 8 pm in the night, we did not have internet the
[00:13:47] whole day and wherever we had internet it was very
[00:13:50] patchy, so the whole area the
[00:13:54] capital... as I explain to you, the cannot place area where this is happening, it
[00:13:58] is the heartbeat of Delhi, you have the parliament of India there, you have the prime
[00:14:02] minister house, you have the president house, you have the
[00:14:06] Supreme Court of India situated there, imagine having no internet there for
[00:14:09] 24 hours, how would people move around, and this would
[00:14:13] especially being done to
[00:14:14] you know nullify or zerofy protesters, however
[00:14:18] protesters still gathered in massive numbers and in front of my eyes
[00:14:22] protesters were thash, they were beaten, they were drag, their clothes were
[00:14:26] tone and the police was stuffing them into detention vans like one
[00:14:30] stuff scattle into vans. this is what was happening today as well as
[00:14:33] yesterday. right, let me come back to you, let us go to Tania and then I'll come
[00:14:37] back to you. Tanya, when we look at, like you said, it doesn't seem like those constitutional
[00:14:41] freedoms, those constitutional rights when you talk about detention are being
[00:14:45] upheld, when we look at what Tarushi is telling
[00:14:49] us about what's happening on the ground, but in terms the election commission's
[00:14:52] independence and accountability, these
[00:14:55] demon demonstrations demanding that the
[00:14:59] c of c kumar's
[00:15:02] resignation when we look at the opposition parties questioning the
[00:15:06] transparency the electoral role division, how do you look at
[00:15:10] this? because when an institution of course is responsible for ensuring free and fair
[00:15:13] elections,
[00:15:16] is and it's facing these kind of allegations of political bias,
[00:15:20] what legal mechanisms exist to hold it
[00:15:23] accountable? does the current con
[00:15:26] controversy weaken India's constitutional
[00:15:30] freedoms, institutional safeguards, what reforms in your
[00:15:34] opinion would help restore the public?
[00:15:37] confidence at this time, if I talk according
[00:15:41] to legal perspective, they have very good legal framework
[00:15:45] that comes under article 32 and 226 the
[00:15:48] constitution that they can hold the commission accountable for transparency
[00:15:52] and fostering the public engagement and on the other side if you
[00:15:56] see the the this this entire battle is the
[00:15:59] transparency and fostering the public opinion and public
[00:16:03] engagement so they have that article 32 and article
[00:16:07] 2 six they can invoke any time the protesters and voters,
[00:16:11] they can go before the high court, they can go for the the courts can go
[00:16:15] for the smoto cognisence, so they have all
[00:16:18] the legal you can say framework in front them
[00:16:22] and they can adopt them, they can invoke them. on the other hand, as
[00:16:26] you know that the India is also signatory
[00:16:30] to the ICCPR, article 21 and
[00:16:33] 25, but after the invention the intervention the
[00:16:38] the united nation or you can say the international convenient, even
[00:16:42] India, India just you can say
[00:16:46] said that we don't want any internal interference in our country, whereas it
[00:16:50] is already signatory to all the these laws and
[00:16:54] they have to abide by. let me interject here,
[00:16:58] when we look at
[00:16:59] you know on the one hand constitutional rights versus
[00:17:02] state restrictions, how would you look at the
[00:17:06] situation at this? time, on the one hand, of course, like you are saying, there
[00:17:10] are all these statutes in place, there are all these
[00:17:13] constitutional provisions that and constitutional
[00:17:16] safegards, also legal safegards that you are talking
[00:17:20] about, but when we look at practically the situation on
[00:17:24] ground, how do you look at things? let's talk about the
[00:17:28] practicality versus the, whatever checks
[00:17:32] are procedurally in place, because we are looking a
[00:17:35] state placing restrictions. you now we are looking a state that
[00:17:39] seems according to what Tarushi is
[00:17:42] saying that is ignoring what are frankly
[00:17:46] constitutional safegards? i think Modi
[00:17:50] government must engage constructively rather than dismissively. when it
[00:17:54] comes to reasonable restrictions, yes it is mentioned in article 19 subsection
[00:17:58] two the constitution, there are some reas restrictions when it
[00:18:02] comes freedom of speech, when it comes to right to assemble, but on
[00:18:06] the other hand supreme court. is very clear and the supreme court ruling is very
[00:18:09] clear that there are some reasonable restrictions, but that
[00:18:13] restrictions can become dis proportionate when they
[00:18:17] suppress lawful descent, if they are like protesting
[00:18:21] legally and peacefully then these provisions and
[00:18:24] these restrictions do not apply and they cannot impose these
[00:18:28] restrictions because they are suppressing lawful
[00:18:31] descents. fair enough, let me come back
[00:18:35] to you, Tarushi, when we look at the... government's response, the
[00:18:38] Modi government the authorities justified their handling the
[00:18:42] protests, they've you know how in in terms of
[00:18:46] what they've said at this time, in terms of officials directly addressing
[00:18:50] protesters concerns, have they really address
[00:18:54] these concerns, have the response focused primarily
[00:18:57] on maintaining public order or or does the state look
[00:19:01] like, it's in a mood to listen to what is being said
[00:19:05] on on such huge scale at this
[00:19:08] time, maruk the state is not ready to
[00:19:12] listen at all, even as I'm speaking to you at the moment, there are
[00:19:15] protesters, men, women, children, elderly, they are all
[00:19:19] in karnate place right now as we are speaking, some them are
[00:19:23] climbing buses, some them are walking
[00:19:25] you know on the road, some them are demanding that the others be released who have been
[00:19:29] detained at 3 pm today, but what it seems like
[00:19:32] is that the Modi government is using the state
[00:19:36] machinery to w conveniently protect the chief election
[00:19:39] commissioner Mr. Kumar and it appears as though they are not in mood
[00:19:43] to comment or cater to any the demands that the protesters have
[00:19:47] laid forward, while the protesters have always
[00:19:50] maintained, even back in July when we had mass protest here led by the Cookroad
[00:19:54] Janata party, protesters maintained that please
[00:19:58] understand that these protests are going to be peaceful, we are the
[00:20:02] believers of Gandhi and we want to have peaceful protest here,
[00:20:06] however in my opinion, the government is ready to make
[00:20:09] the experience of protesting in India very humiliating
[00:20:13] activity, they want to humiliate protesters, journalists who are
[00:20:17] covering this to the extent that we do not feel like
[00:20:21] covering the protests ever again, because the way the police has
[00:20:25] been dealing with protesters is inhuman by
[00:20:29] the max, they have been detaining protesters, journalists and
[00:20:32] they are not releasing them even when people are showing their press
[00:20:35] cards, so that's there is lot about where the orders are coming
[00:20:39] from, what the state orders are, and even currently when I
[00:20:43] am moving in Delhi at the moment, there is section called
[00:20:47] 163 in place which forbids the ass of more than
[00:20:50] four people, so we are basically a state of
[00:20:54] undeclared emergency and rights of people are being trampleed
[00:20:58] just because they are daring to question the modi
[00:21:00] government. what happens next in
[00:21:04] your opinion, are the protesters preparing to continue these
[00:21:08] demonstrations? what is the government's response like you said,
[00:21:11] in terms of are they going to be continuing to confront, like
[00:21:15] you said they're even confronting and making things difficult for those that that
[00:21:19] want? to cover these protests, of course journalists like yourself,
[00:21:23] journalists who really have only one interest to tell what tell
[00:21:27] everyone, you what's exactly happening, tell it like it is, in your
[00:21:31] opinion is civil liberties, democratic accountability
[00:21:35] under Modi's leadership, how how is it
[00:21:38] taking, of course it's taking a blow, but what happens
[00:21:42] next in your
[00:21:43] opinion? so
[00:21:47] today also a protest was foiled, protesters were... not allowed to move beyond the
[00:21:51] point in the central location where the protest was planned, however
[00:21:55] protesters are not backing down, they have one goal, which is
[00:21:59] the resignation of Gnyanesh Kumar, and the
[00:22:02] other thing is that we also have a protest tomorrow in
[00:22:06] the morning led by Rahul Gandhi who is
[00:22:09] marching in the same area, is going to be marching tomorrow, so we are
[00:22:13] waiting to see what happens next, because frankly at this moment it is
[00:22:16] very difficult and unpredictable to tell what next step is
[00:22:20] going to be, however, one thing remains certain is that
[00:22:24] the protesters are not backing down, whether it's the corker janata
[00:22:28] party, whether it's normal citizens, whether it's people who are engaged
[00:22:32] in politics, youth activists or opposition leaders,
[00:22:35] chief ministers, former people who have been associated with the government, lot of
[00:22:39] IAS, Indian administrative service officers have also written to the
[00:22:43] Supreme Court of India asking for clarity about whatever has
[00:22:46] happened with the electoral role, so what we are
[00:22:50] seeing is basically pointing of fingers
[00:22:53] a posing of questions and all
[00:22:57] this is unanimously questioning what the modi government has been
[00:23:01] doing and planning to do in the last 12 years. why
[00:23:05] has it become so important for
[00:23:08] you know for for not to sort of lay off as
[00:23:12] far as this CAC, the chief election commissioner is concerned, why is
[00:23:16] it become such huge deal for the current government? in your
[00:23:20] opinion?
[00:23:25] i think what one must observe, i
[00:23:28] think people who watch India globally must understand that there is
[00:23:32] pattern that the government follows, so the pattern is to never accept its
[00:23:36] mistakes, so while we saw the resignation of
[00:23:40] education minister of india Dharmendra Pradhan resignation we saw
[00:23:43] in July itself, when the protesters were all over Delhi again
[00:23:47] asking for his resignation because lot of... exam government
[00:23:51] exam medical papers had been lead and that had led to the
[00:23:54] suicide of 25 students who were under pressure of giving
[00:23:58] reexams because the government's failure to contain the confidentiality of
[00:24:02] exam papers, this man who is the CEC cannot be
[00:24:06] sacrificed this time, Dharmendra Pradhan could have been
[00:24:09] sacrificed because it was about education, but what we are
[00:24:13] seeing is a man who has been alleged to have
[00:24:17] rigged elections which made the BJP win in two
[00:24:20] states, so the moment if and when Gnyanesh Kumar
[00:24:24] resigns, questions will now surface on Modi and
[00:24:28] all the elections, state elections he has won in the last 12 years, so I
[00:24:32] do not think that the Modi government is ready to face the floor when it comes to
[00:24:36] accountability over all the state elections we have
[00:24:39] had, like we just had elections in three states this year, we
[00:24:43] also have elections in two to three other states the next year, so what
[00:24:47] is coming is greater for them than what? has gone by, so in
[00:24:51] order to hold to the power they have had since 12 years,
[00:24:55] they will not let Gnyanesh Kumar resign, because once he resigns,
[00:24:59] he will also have to answer who were the people who
[00:25:02] you know, if he has actually rigged votes, who were the people who made him
[00:25:06] rig those votes, so that's like very complicated
[00:25:09] calculation we have right now, a quick question,
[00:25:13] tanya, when we look at detention of journalists, for example, activists,
[00:25:17] political leaders, you know, and what what
[00:25:21] Tarushi is saying, making it difficult for those journalists like
[00:25:24] herself who want to cover what's happening, you want to tell the
[00:25:28] world,
[00:25:29] you know, of course, what is happening at this time, what legal
[00:25:33] protections exist or should apply when reporters
[00:25:36] document public protest, what remedies are available,
[00:25:40] if individuals are detained without adequate legal grounds,
[00:25:44] and what message lastly does this response send to the civil
[00:25:47] society and ordinary citizen? Who want to
[00:25:50] challenge these this kind of inequality, this kind of
[00:25:54] injustice that is at play? illegal
[00:25:58] detention itself is unlawful and it's not allowed in law.
[00:26:02] and for illegal detention you have to go before the high court in the
[00:26:06] rit of hebious corpus and you have to file a rit and you have to
[00:26:10] produce the
[00:26:13] the whosoever the protester or voter
[00:26:17] is, you have to
[00:26:19] be appear before the court within 24 hours, so you cannot
[00:26:22] detain someone more than 24 hours, it's
[00:26:25] illegal in Pakistan even otherwise,
[00:26:29] and what I see that the journalists they have... freedom of speech, right
[00:26:33] to assemble, I told you under article 19 subsection one,
[00:26:37] and they have all the right and Supreme Court of Pakistan is
[00:26:41] very, sorry, Supreme Court of India is very clear on this that
[00:26:45] the protest is the fundamental right and the unreasonable
[00:26:48] restrictions can lead to the constitutional crisis and you cannot
[00:26:52] stop them from protesting when it comes to peaceful
[00:26:56] protest, so illegal detention cannot go
[00:26:59] beyond 24 hours, you have to present that person and before the
[00:27:03] magistrate within 24 hours, right? fair enough,
[00:27:07] thank you so much for being
[00:27:08] with us, thank you for updating us, Tarushi, thank you for letting us
[00:27:12] know exactly what's happening, thank you for joining us, when we look at
[00:27:16] what's happening
[00:27:17] in India, of course under the Modi rule, things seem to be in shambles,
[00:27:20] when we look at democracy, when we look at right to peaceful protest, when we
[00:27:24] look at accountability, when we look at the right to
[00:27:28] assembly, the government seems to be coming down on all those rights.
[00:27:32] states,
[00:27:33] a country that calls itself the greater democracy, greatest democracy in the
[00:27:37] world, seems to be
[00:27:40] flagrantly abusing all sorts of human
[00:27:43] rights, the right of journalists to cover the events, making it
[00:27:47] difficult, like tarushi said even report
[00:27:51] what's happening on the ground, one certainly hopes that
[00:27:55] some sort of sanity will prevail. thank you so much for joining us
[00:27:59] today on perspective.
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